MrPresident1:


Funny Am I a tribalist?

Ishilove ngbo, am I a tribalist/ethnic bigot?

Heh. Far from it

MrPresident1:


Show me one or two evidences

do I need to?? your sins will find you out. You will certainly reap what you have planted here

SHALOM!

There are four AfterLife Fates:

4. HEAVEN: There are eight Stacked Realms- seven Heavens and the Earth Universe.

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(THIS IMAGE DOES NOT EVEN NEARLY ACCURATELY DEPICT THE SEVEN HEAVEN/EARTH UNIVERSE REALITY!)

The Earth Universe is at the bottom of the stack; it has the least Spiritual Energy requirement to perceive, dwell in, and exploit- just above the level of Bodily Death. That Spiritual Energy Level is insufficient to support THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

To exceed the maximum Earth Realm Spiritual Energy requirement is to enter into the minimum Heavenly Spiritual Energy requirement.

The Sign that one has achieved this is the Understanding of Heavenly Law.

If you can Understand The Law of the First Heaven, you can enter into the First Heaven.

The maximum Spiritual Energy level of First Heaven Spiritual Energy must be exceeded to be able to perceive, enter, and exploit the Second Heaven.

The maximum Spiritual Energy level of Second Heaven Spiritual Energy must be exceeded to be able to perceive, enter, and exploit the Third Heaven.

So on, until one has the Spiritual Energy to perceive, enter, and exploit the Seventh Heaven.

God Rewards those who keep His Laws with the Spiritual Energy of the Realms to which those Laws pertain.

Someone who has only Earthly Holiness does not have the Spiritual Energy to enter Heaven, should they die.

Salvation by Deathbed Confession- what the Roman Catholic Church calls "EXTREME UNCTION," cannot take a Sinner to Heaven.

It usually doesn't do anything.

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3. PARADISE: Those who die with no more than Earthly Holiness or Righteousness can be able to reach a Safe haven in the Spiritual Realm, if, by the time of their Death, they can achieve TOTAL RECALL of their whole life, so that an "Accountant-Entity" can collect it and submit it- presumably in Heaven.

This is a Realm of Peace and Comfort.

2. HELL: Those who die with no more than Earthly FILTHINESS or UNJUSTNESS, but, by the time of their Death, they can still achieve TOTAL RECALL of their whole life, so that the "Accountant-Entity" can collect it without inflicting fatal damage upon their Soul Body- can be taken PRISONER, and taken to a Realm in which they are TORTURED AND TORMENTED, on the excuse that they committed EVIL on the Earth.

This is a Realm of Torment and Punishment.

[b][u]1. OBLIVION: Those who die without TOTAL RECALL- no matter how "NICE," GOOD, or RIGHTEOUS they are, find themselves in confrontation with an Entity that ALWAYS manifests when ANYTHING dies.

This "ACCOUNTANT-ENTITY takes a record of one's entire life from birth, if one can WILLINGLY run through it in a timely fashion.

If one can do that, the Accountant-Entity will not bother the Dead any more, and will return to submit Its "cargo."

But if the Dead creature does not give a complete, uninterrupted, unbroken relating of their entire Life History from Birth, immediately, the Accountant Entity cuts into the Soul Body, to extract the Memory record by Brute Force, and departs, leaving that Soul Body critically-damaged.

The Soul Body so treated is unable to deploy its Spirit Energy AfterLife Body- which suggests how fast this process is.

It is immediately attacked by "Scavenger Devils," which tear It into pieces, extracting Its last Life Energies.

This they do in order to prolong their own lives.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.]

The creatures that suffer this Fate have NO AfterLife- and this is what happens to all Animals and most Humans who die.

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The NATIVE AMERICAN NAGUAL SEERS who analyzed the Death Process with EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION found ONLY ONE WAY to stop this from happening to anyone who dies: ONE MUST ACHIEVE TOTAL RECALL- BEFORE ONE DIES.

The Technique they used was to spend twenty minutes daily, trying to remember everything one knows about everyone one ever met.

If one does this for as long as it takes, one will uncover a KEY MEMORY called "THE USHER."

After that, one no longer merely "REMEMBERS" the Past, one RELIVES it- as though it were happening again.

After that, twenty minutes is no longer satisfactory- one might spend hours RECAPITULATING.

[See: THE POWER OF SILENCE, by Carlos Castaneda.]

This TOTAL RECALL faculty appears to have been independently discovered, even by people who are not Spiritual- such as ARTISTS, and GAMBLERS (professional Casinos ban such, when they are discovered- it is taken seriously, and some have probably been murdered when caught). They all agree that one will always achieve TOTAL RECALL in less than a YEAR.

THE NAGUALS ALLEGEDLY CALL THIS "THE MOST IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL FACT IN THE WORLD."

Everyone I have ever attempted to discuss it with has dismissed it as unimportant.

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I supposed they do not care if they go into OBLIVION with all of their Ancestors.

I think that there was a time when this was COMMON KNOWLEDGE- but, over time, as people lost respect for GOD, they FORGOT about It, and their Souls have been going to FEED THE DEVILS for about the past 3,000 years- which seems to be the time Humanity LOST a Great Spiritual War with SATAN and his DEVILS.

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If after all these preaching you are still caught unprepared in the coming of Jesus, you have only yourself to blame, YOU FOOL!

@oaroloye dude! what are you smoking

benjanjo1:
@oaroloye dude! what are you smoking

He likes writing long long things. Who has time to be reading long long things?

MrPresident1:


Do you believe and hold the Bible as absolute truth?

What do you mean? The Bible have some spiritual truth..that is the old testament,the new testament is just Roman propaganda.

Life is like a day between 2 nights and death is like a night between 2 days....

sonmvayina:


What do you mean? The Bible have some spiritual truth..that is the old testament,the new testament is just Roman propaganda.

We do not believe the same thing. I hold the Bible as infallible and absolute.

You are free to air your opinion, but I would like to let you know that since we do not believe in the same thing, your opinions mean nothing to me, as I am sure mine is to you too.

God does not incinerate people somewhere in the skies, and we see clearly the Bible telling us that under the sun is the place of judgment. It is a lack of understanding that made this teaching widespread that one goes to heaven or hell (in the skies) after death

Heaven is right here on this earth
Hell is right here on this earth

Both heaven and hell are conditions of enjoyment and suffering respectively

If you have a bad 'karmic' load, you spent your life doing evil, then you must reincarnate to pay for your sins
If you have a good 'karmic' load, you spent your life doing good, then you will reincarnate and enjoy the fruits of your labour in past life.

There is no such thing as 'You Only Live Once' YOLO

MrPresident1:
God does not incinerate people somewhere in the skies, and we see clearly the Bible telling us that under the sun is the place of judgment. It is a lack of understanding that made this teaching widespread that one goes to heaven or hell (in the skies) after death

Heaven is right here on this earth
Hell is right here on this earth

Both heaven and hell are conditions of suffering and enjoyment respectively

If you have a bad 'karmic' load, you spent your life doing evil, then you must reincarnate to pay for your sins
If you have a good 'karmic' load, you spent your life doing good, then you will reincarnate and enjoy the fruits of your labour in past life.

There is no such thing as 'You Only Live Once' YOLO

according to the Christian doctrine of salvation there is an eternal reward awaiting everyone according to his/her deeds after they die. The reward of eternal life can only be accessed by accepting Jesus Christ (and following him wholeheartedly while alive). The idea of reincarnation does not fit into this concept simply because the idea of salvation is based on the assumption that you only live once! Once you die, you won't get a second chance to come back to the world and live again.

I am sorry, but what you posted on this thread is a deviation from sound Christian teaching. The doctrine of salvation and the concept of reincarnation do not agree with each other fundamentally; a person cannot hold the two beliefs at the same time.

benjanjo1:



according to the Christian doctrine of salvation there is an eternal reward awaiting everyone according to his/her deeds after they die. The reward of eternal life can only be accessed by accepting Jesus Christ (and following him wholeheartedly while alive). The idea of reincarnation does not fit into this concept simply because the idea of salvation is based on the assumption that you only live once! Once you die, you won't get a second chance to come back to the world and live again.

I am sorry, but what you posted on this thread is a deviation from sound Christian teaching. The doctrine of salvation and the concept of reincarnation do not agree with each other fundamentally; a person cannot hold the two beliefs at the same time.

Chairman, please modify my comment that you quoted, I made a mistake juxtaposing heaven and hell in the third paragraph, I have made the correction.

Ecclesiastes 3:16
And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

This is it, the Preacher says that under the sun the place of judgment he found wickedness there, and the place of righteousness, he found iniquity there

Everything in a person's life is judgment.

MrPresident1:


Chairman, please modify my comment that you quoted, I made a mistake juxtaposing heaven and hell in the third paragraph, I have made the correction.

Lol! ok

MrPresident1:
Ecclesiastes 3:16
And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

This is it, the Preacher says that under the sun the place of judgment he found wickedness there, and the place of righteousness, he found iniquity there

Everything in a person's life is judgment.

Would you mind if i share my own understanding of the scriptures with you on the topic?

If we can all now see that hell and heaven are conditions on this earth, then it is now very important for us to continue to do good, and hate evil with every fibre of our being. The thing is, people must pay for their sins, no one goes scot-free, absolutely no one goes scot-free, all sins must be fully recompensed, and all good must be fully repaid.

You may not believe me because no one remembers past life, but the Creator remembers, your sins are logged in the hard-drive of your spirit and soul, and when you are downloaded into a new body, you are downloaded along with all your sins and iniquities, and your goodness and righteousness.

I think this is the reason we have child prodigies, a child only learns to play the piano for just a short time and plays better than those that have been training forever.

There are no happenstances in creation, the reason we do not remember our past is because lifetime on earth compared to time in the spirit is very fleeting, the Bible describes a lifetime as a shadow...This is Job telling us that we are but of yesterday...

Job 8:9
(For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow: )

Then someone asks, ''but Jesus Christ came to die for our sins?''

Yes, Jesus came to redeem man and mankind when man fell in the garden of Eden. Anyone who accepts this free offer of salvation - and starts to live a righteous life- will be saved when Jesus returns to take us back into the garden of Eden, this is when all sins will be wiped away.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Until then, we must all continue to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, no more incurring of negative 'karmic' loads, they must all be paid for, if not in this life, then when you reincarnate, you will pay

MrPresident1:


The lake of fire is for the devil and his agents, when Jesus is revealed. They will be in hell forever, burning in sulfur and brimstone, right here on this earth

Mr President1, hellfire is not on earth. Its a realm of its own.

MrPresident1:


Hell means separation from God. This is the simplest meaning of hell

Yes, this will be the situation before the final judgement. But after the Judgement seat, if anyone's name is not found in the book of life, him/her and satan all his demons shall be cast into HELLFIRE.

Jokerman:
Hell is not the same as lake of fire... Remember even on judgment day, hell would give up its dead......

After death, comes judgement. So even at the resting place, if you are deemed not be right with God through the Lord Jesus Christ, the person is already condemned. This is why at the rapture, the saints resting in Jesus Christ will rise first...

Scripturally true

MrPresident1:
They go to rest.

Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Ecclesiastes 3:16 And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

Every condition on this earth is judgment, however pleasant or unpleasant. Do not blame God for your predicament, you are paying your 'karmic' debt, you cannot be evil and go scotfree, you must pay, if you don’t pay in this life you will pay when you come back/reincarnate.

So many people blaming God for their 'karmic' debts. Do good and accumulate good karma, for your own good. If you do evil, you cannot escape the repercussions, you must pay!

Under the sun is the place of judgment, not some mythical place up there in the skies

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When anyone dies, they go to rest, they do not go to heaven or hell

The Eccl 12:7 you quoted is against your stance. What it mesns is that, the body which came from.dust remains here, but the spirit/soul which is not from here returns to God who created him.

Where is God?

MrPresident1:
Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Many people have interpreted this verse to mean that one only lives once, this is not true, this is what I call a ‘relational’ use of situations. This passage is only saying that:

As sure as it is that once after death is judgment, so Christ was once (one time) offered to bear the sins of many.

Judgement is right here on this earth. At every reincarnation, you must pay for the sins, judgment debts, and bad 'karma' of the immediate past life.

You Judgement After death and also reincarnation?

Do you realize that the teaching of reincarnation does not recognize a higher supreme being who stands as a judge over people?
The reincarnation teaching says, man is god to himself. Godness is a state of person not an entity or deity.

Are you trying to mix New Age with Christianity?
That wld seem lik attempting to mix oil and water. It wont work.

MrPresident1:
If after all these preaching you are still caught unprepared by the coming of Jesus, you have only yourself to blame, YOU FOOL!

You can't preach the coming of the Lord and preach Reincarnation at the same time. They are two conflicting variables.

benjanjo1:
@oaroloye dude! what are you smoking

Just leave that one. He is fighting schizophrenia when he gows off his.drugs, you see that.

MrPresident1:
Then someone asks, ''but Jesus Christ came to die for our sins?''

Yes, Jesus came to redeem man and mankind when man fell in the garden of Eden. Anyone who accepts this free offer of salvation - and starts to live a righteous life- will be saved when Jesus returns to take us back into the garden of Eden, this is when all sins will be wiped away.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Until then, we must all continue to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, no more incurring of 'karmic' loads, they must all be paid for, if not in this life, then when you reincarnate, you will pay

How then can you reconcile salvation through the Ransome of Christ'blood and reincarnation which is a man paying for his bad deeds by himself?

New Age says man is god who evolves to the god consciousness by reincarnation.

Christianity says, all men are sinners who can't help themselves, hence needed an external help, which necessitated the death Christ as atonement for that sin.

How.can you mix.these two teachings?

Anas09:

Mr President1, hellfire is not on earth. Its a realm of its own.

Yeah, it is a place up there in the skies where God incinerates dead people. FOOL

xcabczyxabczzzz:
The soul returns to God we gave it, so where is the God?

the guy is funny,he mentioned spirit returning to God in heaven,then hell is real.

Anas09:

How then can you reconcile salvation through the Ransome of Christ'blood and reincarnation which is a man paying for his bad deeds by himself?

New Age says man is god who evolves to the god consciousness by reincarnation.

Christianity says, all men are sinners who can't help themselves, hence needed an external help, which necessitated the death Christ as atonement for that sin.

How.can you mix.these two teachings?

I asked him the same question earlier

MrPresident1:


Yeah, it is a place up there in the skies where God incinerates dead people. FOOL

Eti le bu yan ju. Kilo de.

profolaolu:
hahahahahahahaha I can't help but laugh people that read just a part of the Bible without understanding to interpret it.

Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

You are right with these verses.

God is everything. At death, at the release of the spirit from the body suit, the spirit becomes joined with God, spirits become one with God who gave it. Do not believe the idiocy that there is someplace up there in the skies where God incinerates dead people, does it not sound stupid to you? For how long should we tolerate stupid messages??

For how long should we tolerate these dogs of satan?

Heaven is a condition and hell is a condition, right here on this earth. You have forgotten, but the Creator has not forgotten, when you get downloaded into a new body suit, all your goodness and evil are downloaded too so you start to pay immediately. This immediately calls you into responsibility, because it tells you that you will surely pay for every action, you can decide to take it or leave it.

There are no mistakes in creation; every experience is judgment.

A long time ago I explained why Jesus had to die. This is the synopsis

God betrothed Israel to himself, but Israel started to commit adultery. The punishment for adultery is death, Israel must die (we are Israel so we must all die!). God would have none of it, he loved the woman despite her many whoredoms. God incarnated in man and died in her place. By dying from her, she got freed from the law of her husband. But she became a widow.

Everything that the widow Israel has faced since the death of her husband is the tribulation. You can compare this with when a woman loses her husband who was protecting her in the midst of the sharks of this world. God died so she became exposed.

Slavery, neocolonialism, all kinds of evil this woman faced during the time her husband died is the tribulation. Now her husband has reincarnated.

God is back.