MrSly:
This is why you are still looking for job. You leave what concerns you for what is not your business. If you are not a Catholic what is your business with their faith?

MrPRevailer:
OKpaewu

Jesus rebukes people honoring Mary. (talkless of praying to her)

Luke 11:27-28
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+11%3A27-28&version=KJV

Matthew 12: 46-50
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/MAT.12.46-50.kjv

John 2:3-4
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+2%3A3-4&version=KJV

Jesus is our Advocate or intecessor, not Mary
1 John 2:1
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+john+2:1&version=KJV

Hebrews 7:25
https://biblehub.com/hebrews/7-25.htm
etc.

Mary was Mother of Jesus for geneology's sake.
Luke 3:23
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3%3A23&version=KJV

josh123:
All catholics are idol worshippers

Waylex21:


You need to understand the difference between idol and image. You also need to check for yourself everything that worship is all about.

Another question: Do Catholics believe that the images are the ones that answer their prayers and protect them?

Waylex21:


You need to understand the difference between idol and image. You also need to check for yourself everything that worship is all about.

Another question: Do Catholics believe that the images are the ones that answer their prayers and protect them?

josh123:
The bible say thou shalt not bow down to any graven image

MrPRevailer:


It is 100% my business, and of any well-meaning christian. Not 99%. 100%>
Because I'm concerned about their souls. And we are exhorted to correct one another when we err from the truth. James 5:19-20

No idolaterer will enter the kingdom of God. {1 Corinthians 6:9}>

MrPRevailer:


Please look at the prayer of the Vatican. Is it right to pray to a human?

If you can't bring yourself to sanity in this one question, then much less even if I answer all the questions you have asked.
Bible says you should not make an image nor bow yourself to them. You pray and cry before these images asking for the mercy of Mary while holding beads like the other pagans (Muslims, Hindus etc)

Waylex21:


Sure. What is a graven image?

2. The same God instructed Moses to make the images of the Cherubim and Seraphim on the ark of the covenant. Was God contradicting Himself?

3. When Israelites were being punished for speaking against God, Moses was told to make the images of a snake and anyone who looked at it would be saved. Was God not contradicting Himself again?

Answer these questions then I will make you realize what God meant with the Commandment

Waylex21:
God could have arranged that Jesus be born with parents. But since He did, don't you think God would have been contradicting Himself when He commanded that "Honour your father and mother"? If Jesus as you said rebuked honouring Mary, is that not dishonour of parents which is against the 4th commandment?

2. The passages you quoted, even the Bible did not say Jesus rebuked....

3. Catholics honour Mary because God honoured her first. Read again Lk. 1:28-38

4. Jesus declared that blessed are those who hear the Word of God and do it. Mary the mother of Jesus is a prime example.

5. Lastly, while Jesus was on the cross, the last thing he did was to hand over His mother to not just anybody but the Beloved Disciple. That's the highest form of regard from a dying son to his grieving mother (Jn. 19:26-27)

josh123:
About d ark of convenant, it was before christ came to earth. After christ came all those ark of convenant thing stopped. Jesus is the only mediator btw God and man. The snake, God told them to look at it he did not tell them to worship it

Waylex21:


Good. You have deviated from your initial post. Let me remind you. You posted that the Bible said one should not bow to any image.
Then I gave instances we have that in the Bible.

This new one is another one. Catholics believe in Jesus as the only mediator. We can call on people to pray for us, which even the Bible encourages. That itself is a level of mediatorship but not like that of Christ Jesus. The same thing is what is happening here.

Take note that Mary is being called upon to intercede with Jesus Himself, not the other way round, just as you ask people to pray for you.

MrPRevailer:


1) Jesus honored his parents by obeying them. Not associating any divinity to them. Mary is as ordinary as Joseph was.

2) ok English man. Jesus shunned or discouraged them. He definitely didn't want people praising or honoring Mary for his divinity.

3) Israelites and the Heathen after Moses generation would have worshipped his corspe had they known when his bones where buried.
The angel greeted her. This does not warrant the whole world to be reciting the words of the angel. Mary has already put to bed and she's already dead.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Colossians-2-18/
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Galatians-1-8/

4) Likewise, you be a Christian as Mary who served God and her saviour Lord Jesus Christ. Mary will accuse you Catholics on the last day.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-5-45/

5) So?? ?? ? From that day, the disciples took care of her. Jesus did that to comfort her. And also to comfort his beloved disciple. Why quote this? This shows how feeble-minded (in all fairness) Catholics can be. Carried away with diverse winds of doctrines.

MrSly:

And who made you the gate keeper of the kingdom of God, the judge of human race to determine who enters and who does not enter?
It is a very big pity that people with almost no knowledge are being fanatical about what their pastors told them. If I may ask, could you give me the exact words of the portion of the Bible you just quoted in the original language it was written and then interpret it for me.

josh123:
Bro stop deceiving urself.

MrPRevailer:


Call me names, mock me. But I've shown you the scriptures were you err.
The word of God is the Judge. I didn't judge you.
"No idolaterer will enter the kingdom of God." 6:9
"Be not deceived for because of this comes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience" Ephesians 5:6
“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses {Mary}, in whom you trust.” John 5:45

MrPRevailer:


Call me names, mock me. But I've shown you the scriptures were you err.
The word of God is the Judge. I didn't judge you.
"No idolaterer will enter the kingdom of God." 6:9
"Be not deceived for because of this comes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience" Ephesians 5:6
“Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses {Mary}, in whom you trust.” John 5:45

Waylex21:


Let me answer you thus:
1. To be full of grace as the angel Gabriel addressed Mary in Lk. 1:28 is to have been imbued with divinity.

2. You are right.

3. Very true. But what is your understanding of the dead? If Moses had died and perished ultimately as you try to understand, he wouldn't have appeared to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration together with Elijah.

4. Is there anything wrong in asking a fellow servant of God to pray for you, even though the Bible encourages that?

5. You just resorted to insulting a whole group of people because you don't agree with them. How typical of someone who calls others feebleminded.

Waylex21:


Bros, you are very funny. Moses and Mary are not on the same pedestal nah. Why superimpose Mary into the words of Jesus here?

MrPRevailer:


Just as Moses will accuse the Pharisees who claim to follow him, so will Mary accuse the Catholics.
See also of rising up in Judgment:
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-12-41/

demola21:


Please where is this found in the bible ?

MrPRevailer:


Which do you speak of?

MrPRevailer:
When you ask Catholics, they sent that they don't pray to Mary or worship her. Here it is again from their head, "Holy Father".

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2020-04/usccb-jose-gomez-prayer-guadalupe-coronavirus.html

Pope Francis prays before the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe

Covid-19: A prayer to Our Lady of Guadalupe in times of trial
As the United States contends with the Covid-19 pandemic, the US Bishops invite Catholics to pray to Our Lady of Guadalupe for her maternal protection.
By Vatican News

The Bishops of the United States are urging the faithful to seek the maternal protection of the Virgin Mary in these times of trial and social upheaval.

In response to the coronavirus outbreak, Archbishop José Gomez of Los Angeles, president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, has composed a prayer to Our Lady of Guadalupe.

He says the difficult situation facing the world has reminded us that we are all brothers and sisters.

As “one family under God”, we turn to our Mother for protection and delivery from the threat of the Covid-19 virus.

Here is Archbishop Gomez’s prayer:

Holy Virgin of Guadalupe, Queen of the Angels and Mother of the Americas,
We fly to you today as your beloved children.
We ask you to intercede for us with your Son, as you did at the wedding in Cana.

Pray for us, loving Mother,
and gain for our nation and world,
and for all our families and loved ones,
the protection of your holy angels,
that we may be spared the worst of this illness.

For those already afflicted,
we ask you to obtain the grace of healing and deliverance.
Hear the cries of those who are vulnerable and fearful,
wipe away their tears and help them to trust.

In this time of trial and testing,
teach all of us in the Church to love one another and to be patient and kind.
Help us to bring the peace of Jesus to our land and to our hearts.

We come to you with confidence,
knowing that you truly are our compassionate Mother,
health of the sick and cause of our joy.

Shelter us under the mantle of your protection,
keep us in the embrace of your arms,
help us always to know the love of your Son, Jesus. Amen.
reserved.

demola21:


Both

OKpaewu:
We ask you to intercede for us with your son, that summarizes everything
I believe intercede is not much grammar to understand
Proudly catholic