bigplantainn:
man stfu. i said i neither believe in your useless god or dont believe in your useless god. stop mentioning me. hate dumb people

I think you need to go get your screw tightened of something if you don't even realize your own claims.

Exmilitant:
I know much about Joshua Selman and Myles Munroe but, my concept of GOD and JESUS is very different. Thank you all the same.

By grace you've gotten the urge to seek your Creator out; Just as the scripture say that we should seek Him while He may be found and we should call upon Him while He is near.

I can assuredly tell you the Lord is near you now, willing to take you in, for there 's a room for you to occupy, but I fear for you, that in your curiosity and naivety concerning the things of the kingdom you might be misled. Let me put it straight across to you at this juncture that there's only one way ordained by God for anyone to meet God, that's through His Son Jesus Christ, who loved you enough to die for you.

The bible which you spoke so spitefully against contains the counsel of God which when you read with a genuine mind and humility, God's Spirit guides you through its treasures.

It will be quite unfortunate at the end to see that you were quite persuaded but having not enough wisdom to chose the path of truth, you derailed.

I love you and desire you settle your heart and make up your mind to seek God in Truth. There's no truth outside of Christ Jesus.

My annoyance with the christian folks is the way they carry on about Jesus. Why are you guys so convinced that Jesus is the way to GOD? For some, Jesus is GOD! @VLTA, i do not spite the Bible as it is a holy book revered by some. But you have to understand that there are numerous religions on Earth with millions of humans as adherents. Telling someone like me to come to Jesus straight off, bespeaks ignorance and selfishness on your part. I would like you to dispossess yourself of your beliefs for sometime and take time to diligently investigates religion in it's entirety and see if you will still cling to christianity.

Exmilitant:
My annoyance with the christian folks is the way they carry on about Jesus. Why are you guys so convinced that Jesus is the way to GOD? For some, Jesus is GOD! @VLTA, i do not spite the Bible as it is a holy book revered by some. But you have to understand that there are numerous religions on Earth with millions of humans as adherents. Telling someone like me to come to Jesus straight off, bespeaks ignorance and selfishness on your part. I would like you to dispossess yourself of your beliefs for sometime and take time to diligently investigates religion in it's entirety and see if you will still cling to christianity.

That's why I recommended a book for you - "Rediscovering the Kingdom" by Dr Myles Munroe.
Place read it, it will help you a lot.

For every human being, There's a void created in his or her heart that only God can fill. That's why when apostle Paul went to Athens, He saw that in their quest for God, they put up an altar written " to an unknown God", despite them having other numerous gods they were worshipping, they weren't still satisfied.

That void created in the heart of man as a result of sin in the garden of Eden hast led man to seek out divers means of filling it. Be it via atheism - outright denial and self deceit, or via institution of religions such as Buddhism, Islam, Christianity et al.

The Israelites too had their own fair share - Judaism.

When God saw that man was constantly tryna get back to Him, and Him having loved mankind with an everlasting love, decided to bridge the gap between Him and man by sending His Son Jesus to come for Mankind.

By man's sin we lost the right to God and His Kingdom,that was why when Jesus came, His message was based most times on the Kingdom of God. God wants man back, He wants a relationship with mankind, but that cannot be seeing that man obtained a nature alien to God when He decided to disobey in the garden of Eden.

No religion can offer you that privilege of being restored back to God, only by coming to God through Jesus Christ and obtaining His nature will you partake in His inheritance and become a legimate member of His Kingdom and a co- heir in our inheritance

Exmilitant:
i have been reading your posts on this section and you seem to be harping Jehovah, Allah etc being caged. I have also heard stories of imprisoned gods. Now let me get you answer on this question before i continue, is there a supreme being that other gods obeys and worship?

At first, there was an energy source with consciousness which is called the Highest Consciousness. Then this energy source disintegrated into Existence. The Existence is what we have today, such that this Existence is you, me, all early beings, plants, animals, gases, water, infrared rays, ultraviolet rays, etc. The Totality of Existence is God Almighty. However, living beings do not become consicous all at once. Some became conscious before others. Those who became conscious first are the ones I refer to as EARLY BEINGS. At a point after the early beings came into the UNIVERSAL consciousness, the CONSCIOUSNESS of the TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE(God) appeared to this early beings called Jehovah, Atum, Allah, Olorun, Nzame, Chimides, etc. Then shortly after, this CONSCIOUSNESS diffused back into all things in Existence, such that since then till now(billions of years back) this Highest Consciousness did not appear as a being anymore.
Then the early beings like Allah, Moloch, Ahura Mazda, Jehovah, Atum, El, Enlil, Enki, etc began to form early humans on earth. Some other early beings didn't even come to earth here. They went to far away planets within the universes. All they did was to construct the body, then souls came into the bodies they constructed. Then we had the anakims, homo erectuses, neaderthals, etc.

After life went on for millions of years, the world of these neanderthals and homo erectuses ended. I also experienced life as a homo erectus back then. All the early beings had even left the earth before the world of the neanderthals and homo erectuses ended.

Now at the beginning of this present world of the homo sapiens, it became impossible for all these early beings to come physically to the earth. They can only be here through reincarnation as human form into it. This homosapiens world began with few living souls who found themselves on mountains and valleys all over the earth surface. Then these souls reproduced until we have this explosive population all over the earth.

OtemAtum:


At first, there was an energy source with consciousness which is called the Highest Consciousness. Then this energy source

Exmilitant don't listen to this guy.

Well I have said enough to you.

I pray that God who has began a good work in you will bring it to perfection. That you may obtain mercy from Him and grace to come to His saving knowledge.

May it be well with you.

VLTA:


Exmilitant don't listen to this guy.

Why?

:
Well I have said enough to you.

I pray that God who has began a good work in you will bring it to perfection. That you may obtain mercy from Him and grace to come to His saving knowledge.

May it be well with you.

One thing I'm wishing you is for the Light of God Almighty which created Jehovah to shine on you and reveal the truth of the universe to you, so that you can stop worshipping Jehovah, a caged god. Peace

Exmilitant:
My annoyance with the christian folks is the way they carry on about Jesus. Why are you guys so convinced that Jesus is the way to GOD? For some, Jesus is GOD! @VLTA, i do not spite the Bible as it is a holy book revered by some. But you have to understand that there are numerous religions on Earth with millions of humans as adherents. Telling someone like me to come to Jesus straight off, bespeaks ignorance and selfishness on your part. I would like you to dispossess yourself of your beliefs for sometime and take time to diligently investigates religion in it's entirety and see if you will still cling to christianity.

I've investigated quite a number and Christianity is the only one that offers a victorious life on earth plus eternity with God.

Christianity is the most attacked religion yet it continues to thrive. Christianity is the only religion that predicts future events. I can go on...

The superiority of true Christianity is evident to any discerning observer.

OtemAtum:
Why?


One thing I'm wishing you is for the Light of God Almighty which created Jehovah to shine on you and reveal the truth of the universe to you, so that you can stop worshipping Jehovah, a caged god. Peace

Where are you from? Curious to know more about you.You need help. I can sense something about you I can't just lay my hands on.

I know you will come to your Saviour someday. You can't and won't die this way bro

VLTA:


Where are you from? Curious to know more about you.You need help. I can sense something about you I can't just lay my hands on.

I know you will come to your Saviour someday. You can't and won't die this way bro

It's normal to think that I need help, because it's shocking to you that we could encage your god Jehovah and other beings like him who want religion to keep ruling the earth. It's a matter of time before people start knowing who really needs help between you and me.

Exmilitant:
My annoyance with the christian folks is the way they carry on about Jesus. Why are you guys so convinced that Jesus is the way to GOD? For some, Jesus is GOD! @VLTA, i do not spite the Bible as it is a holy book revered by some. But you have to understand that there are numerous religions on Earth with millions of humans as adherents. Telling someone like me to come to Jesus straight off, bespeaks ignorance and selfishness on your part. I would like you to dispossess yourself of your beliefs for sometime and take time to diligently investigates religion in it's entirety and see if you will still cling to christianity.

WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO CONVINCED THAT JESUS IS THE WAY TO GOD?

The answers to this question will be long, but let me try and cut it short.


1. JESUS, the name that shakes the powers in the heavens above, earth and under the earth.

2. Through this name, occult grand masters have renounce their activities;


robbers have dropped their guns by telling them about Jesus;


dangerous/deadly idols have been destroyed through prayers in this name.

prostitutes gave up their business for hearing about this name.


Among all these numerous religions, which one of them can make a sinner change his/her ways without any punishment?


2. Beyond all things, what keep me/others going as a Christian/Christians is
the experience/encounter we have.

How can anyone here remove my experience from me?!

I know who I was and I know who I am now, who among you can stop me from this.


3. The testimony/witness from 2-3 people is believed to be true;

Judaism, Christianity and Islam agree that there is someone call Jesus with followers.

Two out of the three agree He's coming again,

two out of the three agree He came to show, thee way

all the three agree that He did some miracles.

Which other characters in the entire religions of the earth have such multiple witnesses?

4. The seal of approval upon Him is the resurrection from the dead.


*. Acts 17:31 "KJV:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; WHEAREOF HE HATH GIVEN ASSURANCE UNTO ALL MEN, IN THAT HE HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.

The verse above is saying that the sign/seal/convinction/confirmation God gave to all men about Jesus is the resurrection from the dead.

Nobody anywhere have ever called on Jesus and got disappointed!

Let me stop here for now.

KNOWMORE56:



WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO CONVINCED THAT JESUS IS THE WAY TO GOD?

The answers to this question will be long, but let me try and cut it short.


1. JESUS, the name that shakes the powers in the heavens above, earth and under the earth.

2. Through this name, occult grand masters have renounce their activities;


robbers have dropped their guns by telling them about Jesus;


dangerous/deadly idols have been destroyed through prayers in this name.

prostitutes gave up their business for hearing about this name.


Among all these numerous religions, which one of them can make a sinner change his/her ways without any punishment?


2. Beyond all things, what keep me/others going as a Christian/Christians is
the experience/encounter we have.

How can anyone here remove my experience from me?!

I know who I was and I know who I am now, who among you can stop me from this.


3. The testimony/witness from 2-3 people is believed to be true;

Judaism, Christianity and Islam agree that there is someone call Jesus with followers.

Two out of the three agree He's coming again,

two out of the three agree He came to show, thee way

all the three agree that He did some miracles.

Which other characters in the entire religions of the earth have such multiple witnesses?

4. The seal of approval upon Him is the resurrection from the dead.


*. Acts 17:31 "KJV:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; WHEAREOF HE HATH GIVEN ASSURANCE UNTO ALL MEN, IN THAT HE HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.

The verse above is saying that the sign/seal/convinction/confirmation God gave to all men about Jesus is the resurrection from the dead.

Nobody anywhere have ever called on Jesus and got disappointed!

Let me stop here for now.

God bless you sir

Kobojunkie:
Prayer is not the key... never was. Trust and obedience is!

OBEDIENCE IS THE WAY OF FAITH AND HOPE. FAITH IS BELIEF. HOPE IS TRUST. THE FAITH, THE HOPE ARE CHRIST. IN ST. JOHN 16:24, YOU'RE TO ASK FOR ANYTHING "BY PRAYERS" IN THE NAME OF CHRIST AND YOU WILL GET IT SO PRAYER IS THE KEY.

VLTA:



God bless you sir

The Lord be your strength, brother!

Exmilitant:
I want to know and worship God, i know he exists. i would do everything to be led to him. have investigated almost every religious body and order recommended to me and instead of finding God, i became confused and disillusioned the more. Then i met a professor at the university of portharcourt who is a philosopher and an atheist he dismissed my worries with sound logic and dispelled the notion of god i felt at home. i became a philosopher and would use logic to wave away god and religion. Few weeks ago, i saw this proff libating to odin the god of pirates! (he is a seadog) I was startled. I felt betrayed and alone, these men have some form of god they reverence! I resolved to seek god wherever he may be found. Note that My search for god is not for material or health benefit or for socialisation. It is my soul yearning to be one with the ultimate reality. I cant believe that with all my wealth and connections i would still experience this empty aching feeling, this void, this yearning... I need GOD!!!

My own submission:


since you have read about many religious Gods and you have not picked up one

or you want to be sure before you pick up one, do the following:

list/write down all their names, as many as you know/can remember,

put the list before you and speak loudly with all seriousness of purpose, saying

I WANT TO KNOW THE ONLY TRUE GOD, WHICH OF YOU IS IT, SHOW YOURSELF NOW!

Be silent or listen quietly for some minutes,

continue day and night until the 'vacuum' in your heart is filled.


I am very very sure that there has never been a time somebody, who is very SINCERE, have ever groaned/yearned for the ONLY TRUE GOD without HIM showing up.


You will not be the last... provided you are SINCERE!

Exmilitant:
Achorladey, is Jesus Christ the same as the supreme God? therein lay my confusion about christianity.

The teaching about Trinity is not for sinners to be saved, NO!


Teachings don't save sinners. Teachings give more knowledge of the Way. That's to make them more mature in the faith.

And it should be done to those who have accepted Jesus as LORD AND SAVIOUR.

TRINITY is not for unbelievers but believers.

No matter how many times unbelievers try to understand it, they will only have confusion.

The 1st thing to do is to believe!

*. Hebrews 11:6 "KJV:But without faith it is impossible to please him: for HE that cometh to God MUST BELIEVE that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

NOTE: the Bible says he/you must believe!


Below is what saves sinners:

KJV:For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten SON, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE.

NOTE! one of the reasons this verse is the best in preaching the gospel it's because it summarizes the long story.

This verse is also the most quoted.

In John 3:16 we have all the words that form the word GOSPEL: acronym

G= God
O= Only
S= Son
P= PERISH
E= Everlasting
L= Life

i.e GOD ONLY SON PERISH ( that humanity should have) EVERLASTING LIFE.

whoever believes this he's saved.

From that moment it's expected of him to start living the new life in CHRIST.

The new life is that if you used to steal don't do that again, and many more to come.

*. Ephesians 4:28 "KJV: LET HIM THAT STOLE STEAL NO MORE: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

In summary, EVERYTHING about you must change.



It is all about Jesus Christ: His birth, death burial and resurrection.

Telling somebody this story destroys the power of Satan, sin and self in the lives of them who believe it.

Exmilitant:
My annoyance with the christian folks is the way they carry on about Jesus. Why are you guys so convinced that Jesus is the way to GOD? For some, Jesus is GOD! @VLTA, i do not spite the Bible as it is a holy book revered by some. But you have to understand that there are numerous religions on Earth with millions of humans as adherents. Telling someone like me to come to Jesus straight off, bespeaks ignorance and selfishness on your part. I would like you to dispossess yourself of your beliefs for sometime and take time to diligently investigates religion in it's entirety and see if you will still cling to christianity.

No TRUE Christian will ask you to come and accept Jesus just like that, that's arrant nonsense and ingredients!

What misinformed churchgoers do is just to pick a phrase in the Bible (spoken by someone revered) and begin mimicking it before everyone, so when ignorant gaggles like them meet them, they don't know how to figure out the delusion in what they're saying!

Jesus was a first century Jewish carpenter who got baptized by a first century prophet names "John". There has been an ongoing speculations that the promised Messiah whom Moses spoke about {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} will appear during that period so everyone was expecting some impressive Prince who will lead the people to battle against the Roman armies just like King David.
Some 30 years have passed when two rebellious Jewish miscreants claiming they're the Christ were arrested and killed consecutively, so when John (the baptist) began preaching and baptising people many ran to him anticipating the presence of the long awaited Messiah.
John declared he is not the Christ making the people confused as to when will this Messiah (Christ) come? They're tired of Roman dominance.
Jesus (carpenter) also went to get baptize under John when John himself suddenly objects for the first time saying "you're supposed to baptize me" Jesus insisted that John should do his work and some events unfolded making John realize that his assignment has been successful since he himself has seen that promised Messiah!
John began directing his own disciples to go and join Jesus telling them "that is the Messiah".

All of these will sound stupid to someone who never knew anything about the history of the Jews nor the importance of the Messiah. But to the Jews whose ancestors have been teaching them so many things about this promised Christ each of them is anticipating to know who exactly he will turn out to be.

So when Peter later told his Jewish people that they must accept Jesus, he meant they're to believe that Jesus whom their first century religious leaders schemed and exterminated was the promised Messiah (Christ) they've been expecting.

Please how do you now except me who didn't know anything about all this events nor the importance of the Messiah (Christ) to accept Jesus (whom i've never heard of or knew anything about him) as my personal Lord and savior?

That's why you can't see any churchgoer that can efficiently defend his/her faith like Jehovah's Witnesses!

Before you're baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you must be taught all these stories and why Jesus is so mush important in the life of humans, it's after you've gotten all these information that you'll then be taught what Jesus commanded, then you'll choose whether you will like to be one of his disciples or not!

One Churchgoer Pastor once said to me "it only took Peter just a speech to make 3,000 Jews became Christians in a single day, but you JWs will spend months even years to get just one person baptized as one of you"

I just looked at him and laughed because Pastor never knew that those Jews and the proselytes practicing Judaism back then are already aware of the importance of the Messiah (Christ), all what Peter did was to convince them that Jesus is that long awaited Messiah (Christ). But on the contrary, the people you're preaching today knew practically nothing about God's laws neither did they know that God promised to send someone who will teach them how to practice holiness that surpasses those written laws.

So my friend, you're 100% right saying what those credulous religionists claiming Christians are suggesting makes no sense, but the truth is they don't know anything about Christ neither can they explain what Christianity truly means! Romans 10:2-4

Maximus69:


No TRUE Christian will ask you to come and accept Jesus just like that, that's arrant nonsense and ingredients!

What misinformed churchgoers do is just to pick a phrase in the Bible (spoken by someone revered) and begin mimicking it before everyone, so when ignorant gaggles like them meet them, they don't know how to figure out the delusion in what they're saying!

Jesus was a first century Jewish carpenter who got baptized by a first century prophet names "John". There has been an ongoing speculations that the promised Messiah whom Moses spoke about {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} will appear during that period so everyone was expecting some impressive Prince who will lead the people to battle against the Roman armies just like King David.
Some 30 years have passed when two rebellious Jewish miscreants claiming they're the Christ were arrested and killed consecutively, so when John (the baptist) began preaching and baptising people many ran to him anticipating the presence of the long awaited Messiah.
John declared he is not the Christ making the people confused as to when will this Messiah (Christ) come? They're tired of Roman dominance.
Jesus (carpenter) also went to get baptize under John when John himself suddenly objects for the first time saying "you're supposed to baptize me" Jesus insisted that John should do his work and some events unfolded making John realize that his assignment has been successful since he himself has seen that promised Messiah!
John began directing his own disciples to go and join Jesus telling them "that is the Messiah".

All of these will sound stupid to someone who never knew anything about the history of the Jews nor the importance of the Messiah. But to the Jews whose ancestors have been teaching them so many things about this promised Christ each of them is anticipating to know who exactly he will turn out to be.

So when Peter later told his Jewish people that they must accept Jesus, he meant they're to believe that Jesus whom their first century religious leaders schemed and exterminated was the promised Messiah (Christ) they've been expecting.

Please how do you now except me who didn't know anything about all this events nor the importance of the Messiah (Christ) to accept Jesus (whom i've never heard of or knew anything about him) as my personal Lord and savior?

That's why you can't see any churchgoer that can efficiently defend his/her faith like Jehovah's Witnesses!

Before you're baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, you must be taught all these stories and why Jesus is so mush important in the life of humans, it's after you've gotten all these information that you'll then be taught what Jesus commanded, then you'll choose whether you will like to be one of his disciples or not!

One Churchgoer Pastor once said to me "it only took Peter just a speech to make 3,000 Jews became Christians in a single day, but you JWs will spend months even years to get just one person baptized as one of you"

I just looked at him and laughed because Pastor never knew that those Jews and the proselytes practicing Judaism back then are already aware of the importance of the Messiah (Christ), all what Peter did was to convince them that Jesus is that long awaited Messiah (Christ). But on the contrary, the people you're preaching today knew practically nothing about God's laws neither did they know that God promised to send someone who will teach them how to practice holiness that surpasses those written laws.

So my friend, you're 100% right saying what those credulous religionists claiming Christians are suggesting makes no sense, but the truth is they don't know anything about Christ neither can they explain what Christianity truly means! Romans 10:2-4

Maximus69: No TRUE Christian will ask you to come and accept Jesus just like that, that's arrant nonsense and ingredients

Achorladey: Peter a TRUE CHRISTIAN...........said........

Maximus69: So when Peter later told his Jewish people that they must accept Jesus, he meant they're to believe that Jesus whom their first century religious leaders schemed and exterminated.

Achorladey: Why will Peter a TRUE CHRISTIAN tell the JEWISH PEOPLE to accept JESUS since no TRUE CHRISTIAN will do that ARRANT NONSENSE and INGREDIENTS . according to your opening SALVO?

Cut the long story short, just TELL Exmillitant that he can get to GOD without JESUS . The only problem will be even YOUR LONG STORY do not support that. So one wonder the essence of...... No TRUE Christian will ask you to come and accept Jesus just like that, that's arrant nonsense and ingredients when the WHOLE STORY that follows goes against it.

In your quest to raise the JWS denomination above the other Christian denomination you ended up RUBBISHING your own DENOMINATION too.

How?

Tell Exmillitant he doesn't need JESUS in order to worship JEHOVAH

since the reason for your response to him was based on this statement by Exmillitant........My annoyance with the christian folks is the way they carry on about Jesus. Why are you guys so convinced that Jesus is the way to GOD

No TRUE Christian will tell you to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour today!

It's arrant nonsense and ingredients!

Maximus69, knowmore56, VLTA and others, you guys are skirting around. Drive the point home, tell me come to GOD through so and so religion/church/denomintion. I would recommend you all to read a brochure of the Jehovah's Witnesses:The Divine Name. There they clearly stated that the name Jesus is CERTAINLY not Jesus! If one of the most respected denomination and well researched organization in christendom will make such admission, that means there is something not adding up in christianity and their view of Jesus. Secondly, All through the history of religion there has always been encounters and manifestations before faith/belief. From Abraham to Moses down to the Apostle Paul. (I haven't touched on the sages of other religions). These persons saw before the believed. So, you guys telling a man with a clean slate, tabula rasa as it were to, just belief in Jesus, pray to God, read this and that book and other recommendations shows ignorance. I want to see before i belief!

Exmilitant:
Maximus69, knowmore56, VLTA and others, you guys are skirting around. Drive the point home, tell me come to GOD through so and so religion/church/denomintion. I would recommend you all to read a brochure of the Jehovah's Witnesses:The Divine Name. There they clearly stated that the name Jesus is CERTAINLY not Jesus! If one of the most respected denomination and well researched organization in christendom will make such admission, that means there is something not adding up in christianity and their view of Jesus. Secondly, All through the history of religion there has always been encounters and manifestations before faith/belief. From Abraham to Moses down to the Apostle Paul. (I haven't touched on the sages of other religions). These persons saw before the believed. So, you guys telling a man with a clean slate, tabula rasa as it were to, just belief in Jesus, pray to God, read this and that book and other recommendations shows ignorance. I want to see before i belief!

Well it's obvious you didn't read through my post because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's why i told you it's nonsense and ingredients asking someone to accept Jesus when the person doesn't even know what Jesus stand for?

There are thousands of cleaning agents around and the advertisement companies are working tirelessly to promote different kinds of soaps.

The only way to make you accept one unique cleaning agent as the best is after seeing how effective it works, until then all the advertiser are LIARS.

That's why i said it's nonsense and ingredients walking up to someone you can't even say anything about what he knew only to say
"you must accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour"

Any right thinking person will assume you're high on drugs!

Exmilitant:
Maximus69, knowmore56, VLTA and others, you guys are skirting around. Drive the point home, tell me come to GOD through so and so religion/church/denomintion. I would recommend !

The issue of calling the Saviour Jesus shouldn't even come up. You can chose to refer to Him by His Hebrew equivalent - Yeshua , which is still OK

For you to say that you must have a supernatural experience before you believe isnt out of place, but remember Jesus Christ says blessed are those who do not see but believe.
Following Jesus is all work of faith. you have to put reasoning and your diversity of education aside.

And accepting Christ requires humility of heart. Your mist see your vileness and evil and the need for a Saviour. Then you plunge into that crimson flood that gushed out from the cross for you.

Believe Exmilitant. Don't be unbelieving.

VLTA:


The issue of calling the Saviour Jesus shouldn't even come up. You can chose to refer to Him by His Hebrew equivalent - Yeshua , which is still OK

For you to say that you must have a supernatural experience before you believe isnt out of place, but remember Jesus Christ says blessed are those who do not see but believe.
Following Jesus is all work of faith. you have to put reasoning and your diversity of education aside.

And accepting Christ requires humility of heart. Your mist see your vileness and evil and the need for a Saviour. Then you plunge into that crimson flood that gushed out from the cross for you.

Believe Exmilitant. Don't be unbelieving.

Let me add this


1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

@VLTA, it appears you are well grounded christianity. So i want to get some clarification on the man Jesus. In philosophy, there is what we call Epistemology. This is, how we know what we know. And there are two ways of knowing, empericism and phenomenology. Empericism is the knowledge based on the tangible phisical world around us that we can test and make predictions on. It has three components which are; Facts, Evidence and Proof. Now back to Jesus, what convinces you that Jesus came from heaven, was born by a virgin, had no earthly father, was raised from the dead and ascended into heaven and that we can access God only through him? Historically, there are 3 ways by which history is authenticated, and they are; Oral, Written, and Archeological findings. Is there any archeological evidence that Jesus actually walked the earth, apart from was pen in the Bible? His name Jesus is Greek, What was his Hebraic name seeing that at that era it was unheard of a Hebrew to bear Greek names?

You want to know God... Look in the mirror.

Exmilitant I would trust God to answer your questions.

Please do you have some time to spare for discussion on any other platform like WhatsApp or Facebook? Would like to pass you on to an erudite of high intelligence, a well educated scholar and researcher with vast knowledge and experience

Maximus69:


Well it's obvious you didn't read through my post because i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's why i told you it's nonsense and ingredients asking someone to accept Jesus when the person doesn't even know what Jesus stand for?

There are thousands of cleaning agents around and the advertisement companies are working tirelessly to promote different kinds of soaps.

The only way to make you accept one unique cleaning agent as the best is after seeing how effective it works, until then all the advertiser are LIARS.

That's why i said it's nonsense and ingredients walking up to someone you can't even say anything about what he knew only to say
"you must accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour"

Any right thinking person will assume you're high on drugs!

What do you have to say about your org admittance that Jesus isn't the name of Jesus?

You’re right, G‑d is essentially unknowable. Yes, He makes Himself known to us through His miracles, His prophets, His laws, and by the very act of creating and sustaining our world and our very existence. But none of that can really provide information that defines who He is. Because He cannot be defined. He is infinite, even beyond “the beginning that cannot be known.”

So how can we pray or have any relationship with a being so unknowable, so undefinable, He can hardly be called a being?

The answer is because our relationship with G‑d is not measured by our capacity to understand Him, nor by heightened consciousness or any sublime ecstasy we claim to have from the experience of His presence. Our relationship to G‑d is measured by what we do, by our firm adherence to the morals that He has established for us and by our integrity in our dealings with others.

One who claims he has one G‑d, but cheats his fellow, has in fact two gods. One who claims he is godless, but believes in a fixed and immutable moral law is in fact a believer. Ultimately, G‑d is in your life when you act G‑dly—consistently following His ways in all you do. That is why He has given us His laws so that by following these instructions, we can bond with Him in our daily lives.

G‑d is not an idea that can be grasped with the mind. G‑d is real, and reality is grasped by real deeds.

Exmilitant:
What do you have to say about your org admittance that Jesus isn't the name of Jesus?

Jesus is just a transliteration not the name the Nazarene was called in the first century!

The name of a person really matters amongst the Jews, but the meaning of the name and the character bearing the name matters most!
For instance Jesus teaches that his followers must love their neighbours as themselves, meaning even their rival nation (Samaritans) will be viewed as their neighbours, Jews don't need to wait until you get the correct pronunciation of Jesus or Yeshua, they know that it's the ideology of that Jewish guy who claims to be their Messiah, so they'll discard the one saying it with his teachings no matter how good you may prove to be, as long as you're teaching the same thing as Jesus, whether you're called Moses or Elijah or David, they're not confused, they know where that teaching comes from.

That's what JWs are saying, the name is not as important as the character bearing the name!

You'll notice that all these religionsists claiming Christians can't meet up with the standard Jesus set.

Jesus said those who are his true followers
©Will be vilified everywhere they go. Matthew 10:22-25
©Will have love amongst themselves. John 13:34-35
©Will be noticed globally as the one and only unique group. Matthew 5:13-16
©Will be the most peaceful group throughout the earth! John 14:27
©Will be up and doing in the preaching and teaching work he commissioned. Matthew 24:14
©Will not use weapons nor train for military. Matthew 26:52

So whether JWs shout Jesus name or not, Satan knows they're the real Christians so he continued attacking them as if they're criminals! Mark 13:13

OAM4J How far now? Front page abeg, make i hear from others.