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Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by onlyfacts: 12:05am On May 24
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THIS GUY IS KIDDING ME.
SOME PEOPLE'S EYES ARE TOO LONG, SOME ARE TOO SHORT. WITHOUT GLASSES, SAY 800 YEARS AGO, PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING WITH SO MUCH DISCOMFORT. GLAUCOMA, CATARACTS, AND RETINAL DETACHMENT. THE LIST OF PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS "PERFECT" DESIGN NEVER ENDS. THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WILL SUFFER SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF VISUAL FUNCTION IN THEIR LIFETIMES, AND FOR MANY PEOPLE, IT STARTS EVEN BEFORE PUBERTY. THE EYES SUGGESTS A STRONG EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION. UNLESS A SENSIBLE INTELLIGENT DESIGNER ENJOYS ALL THESE EYE VARIATIONS, THEN GOOD FOR HIS MYSTERIOUS WAYS.


Lol... You are funny bro. So ageing of the eyes (ageing which is a due to the genes and not the eyes) and it being affected by either injury or disease is what makes you conclude that the human eye is faulty?..lol. Going by that your logic which man made design, since man is the best designer according to you, that doesn't need updating, servicing, repairs or total overhaul over time?

A healthy eye is what your argument should be based on and not a diseased eye.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by Xmuslim: 12:46am On May 24
gensteejay:

For this sort of topics, it's good you read the book of universal history OtemAtum is compiling and critique it.

You can get the PDF version. Many key parts of the book have been hidden by mods on the thread.

Though some people may feel otherwise, that book is 100 times greater, more reasonable, and complete than any religious book of today or modern historical literature.

And that's not an exaggeration since I have read Qur'an from the front cover to the back many times as a former Muslim and know the Bible quite well.

I am also familiar with other religious texts.

So, I can make a fair comparison.

The book is an essential piece of literature to read and critique to learn of the origin of God, gods and goddesses, along with many philosophies and concepts in religions today and in history.

If some people base their atheistic notion on merely what they read in the Bible and Qur'an without reading a piece of literature like that book, they're only working with half knowledge/information on these issues.

The book has fuller stories of the gods and goddesses of religions and their prophets as many essential things about these entities are not in the Bible and Qur'an.

When I read the book in 2018, it took me a year to finish it as I was reading it piece by piece some days in the week due to my busy schedule. It's really worth checking out and critiquing.

I also studied the Seriot language Otem says he got most of the revelations in and can confirm it's a real language. And it's quite marvelous.

I consider the literature as an essential book of history, where one can learn many life's mysteries.

The book is seminal, and other great ones are "The Code to the Matrix" by Sevan Bomer and "A Brief History of Human Kind, Sapiens" by Yuval Noah.

If you're interested in reading the history book by Otem (or other related ones), you can send me a mail on skilledwriter88@gmail.com. I would send the PDF to you
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@bolded. I just sent you an email. Thanks
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:15am On May 24
onlyfacts:


Lol... You are funny bro. So ageing of the eyes (ageing which is a due to the genes and not the eyes) and it being affected by either injury or disease is what makes you conclude that the human eye is faulty?..lol. Going by that your logic which man made design, since man is the best designer according to you, that doesn't need updating, servicing, repairs or total overhaul over time?

A healthy eye is what your argument should be based on and not a diseased eye.

OFF POINT.
MAN MADE DESIGN DOESN'T CLAIM IT'S PERFECT.
ALSO, WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE EYES MOSTLY COME NATURALLY. THEY ALL AFFECT CHILDREN LESS THAN TEN. SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN WITH LONGER OR SHORTER EYEBALLS AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO LIVE. THERE'S NOTHING PERFECT ABOUT THIS DESIGN. IT'S A PROBLEM WITH AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM LIKE EVOLUTION. THANKS TO SCIENCE, WE SOLVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS WITH ARTIFICIAL LENSES.

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Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by onlyfacts: 8:27am On May 24
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OFF POINT.
MAN MADE DESIGN DOESN'T CLAIM IT'S PERFECT.
ALSO, WHAT I MENTIONED ABOUT THE EYES MOSTLY COME NATURALLY. THEY ALL AFFECT CHILDREN LESS THAN TEN. SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN WITH LONGER OR SHORTER EYEBALLS AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO LIVE. THERE'S NOTHING PERFECT ABOUT THIS DESIGN. IT'S A PROBLEM WITH AN IMPERFECT SYSTEM LIKE EVOLUTION. THANKS TO SCIENCE, WE SOLVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS WITH ARTIFICIAL LENSES.

You see why is not good to be biased... Lol. You made the claim MAN WILL MAKE A BETTER DESIGN in your previous post without first reasoning if man has ever made a better design before than what is already in nature... Lol.
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THE HUMAN DESIGN IS NOT A PERFECT ART. DO YOU KNOW WHAT "PERFECT" IS?
A HUMAN DESIGNER WOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB AT DESIGNING THE HUMAN BODY THAN YOUR MR. INTELLIGENT.
YOUR BODY HAS MANY FLAWS. IT CAN'T BE CALLED PERFECT.

You keep mentioning congenital disorders that may affect the eyes, injury as a sign the eye isn't perfect, wrong!

A defective product in an assembling plant is not the gold standard that should be used to know if a product is good or bad, rather it is that product in good working condition. If you can prove that the product in good working condition is flawed then you'd be making sense.

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Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by CHARLOE(m): 8:18am On May 25
LordReed:


I didn't ask for what we use them for, I asked why an intelligent creator created them.
U can as well ask why d intelligent creator made trees instead of furniture?

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Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by CHARLOE(m): 8:31am On May 25
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VOLCANOES POLUTE LAND AND WATER, AND KILL FISHES.
VOLCANOES ERUPT TO KILL PEOPLE. WHAT ABOUT HURRICANES AND TORNADOES? WHO BENEFITS FROM THEM?
I'M SORRY YOUR EXCUSES ARE STUPID. EITHER THE DESIGNER OF THE WORLD WAS DUMB OR ALL THIS IS JUST HAPPENING AT RANDOM.
If it's random why does d earth not rotate n revolve randomly? Why does it take 365 days n 24hrs exactly respectively, to rotate round d sun n about its axis?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by LordReed(m): 10:24am On May 25
CHARLOE:

U can as well ask why d intelligent creator made trees instead of furniture?

You are now being ridiculous. You either answer or just stop being ridiculous.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by CHARLOE(m): 7:46am On May 26
LordReed:


You are now being ridiculous. You either answer or just stop being ridiculous.
You're even more ridiculous, assuming monopoly of knowledge, rigid in Ur thoughts! Believe what u wish bro, it's a free world. I've learnt alot from atheists on nl, they helped me in attaining a paradigm shift concerning religion. But I'm a truth seeker, I question everything, not ashamed to accept error of belief or accepting d truth when confronted with it. In a million yrs, a car cannot be made randomly by nature, with all its functionalities. D fact it breaks down from time to time n requires repairs/services is no proof it had no manufacturer/designer. Some cars even roll out of d assembly plant with factory defects, would u then say they had no maker cos of that? d cars just happened randomly over time?

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Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 8:05am On May 26
CHARLOE:

You're even more ridiculous, assuming monopoly of knowledge, rigid in Ur thoughts! Believe what u wish bro, it's a free world. I've learnt alot from atheists on nl, they helped me in attaining a paradigm shift concerning religion. But I'm a truth seeker, I question everything, not ashamed to accept error of belief or accepting d truth when confronted with it. In a million yrs, a car cannot be made randomly by nature, with all its functionalities. D fact it breaks down from time to time n requires repairs/services is no proof it had no manufacturer/designer. Some cars even roll out of d assembly plant with factory defects, would u then say they had no maker cos of that? d cars just happened randomly over time?
That simple analogy makes atheism unreasonable and shallow.

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Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 8:38am On May 26
LordReed:
You guys propose that an intelligent designer created everything, so what was its purpose for these sorts of elements?
I would like to know too. Invite @Shadeyinka, he seems to be all in with the Intelligent Design ish.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 8:44am On May 26
gensteejay:

Which of the inert elements? You know there are different inert elements.

As for radioactive elements, they serve many purposes in nature. Some radioactive elements like Uranium and Plutonium are used to design bombs.

Bombs are used in wars, etc. Things like wars and death from a universal perspective are necessary to balance our world and keep the human population in check.

When people die from wars and are buried, their carcass decays to form fossil fuel which can benefit future humans and power their world.
But nature is already doing all the above @bolded on its own. War is useless, has always been, and nature doesn't need human fossil to form fuel since it can do so by other means.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 8:44am On May 26
OtemAtum's explanation of the concept of God is the deepest I have ever come across in my life. In fact, I find his views and accounts of the Beginning astounding and wondrous, and considering all this is coming from a black man makes it marvelous the more.

More info on this thread, https://www.nairaland.com/4462945/otem-sapiens-historical-account-saviour

Africa and the world really need to read the history book he's compiling.

P.S.: Reading isn't tantamount to believing everything.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 8:54am On May 26
gensteejay:

He listed their importance. Some of those could be beneficial or harmful from the human perspective.

Their importance is their purposes.

And humans are only one of the habitants of this planet.
Guy, the simple truth is that nature is. There is no importance to anything, there is no purpose to anything, and life has no meaning. Nature is just is.

Nature doesn't care about anyone or the universe because it doesn't have feelings, it doesn't think, it just is, like a virus, like water.

Try and modify your reasoning to follow this thought line, that's how you start seeing everything for what it is exactly, and not try to ascribe any religious thing to it.

Anything that happens in nature happens because the right conditions from years of evolution has allowed it to happen.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 8:58am On May 26
IamMichael:

But nature is already doing all the above @bolded on its own. War is useless, has always been, and nature doesn't need human fossil to form fuel since it can do so by other means.
Nothing is useless. Everything has its importance. There's good in every bad occurrence, and there's bad in every good occurrence.

From the human perspective, when something has more merits than demerits for humanity, overall, that thing is good for humans (note the perspective).

Conversely, when something has more risks than benefits, that thing is bad/evil for humanity (still from the human perspective).

But humans only constitute one of the components of our planet, and make up a minute fraction of the whole universe.

From a human perspective, wars are bad generally. It's better and more prudent for people to settle their issues amicable without the need to engage in warfare.

Settling some things amicably may seem difficult.

Even when the world advances to a better stage, where the use of fossil fuels has been banned and there are environmental-friendlier sources of fuel, good and bad will always remain relatives as they've always been.

So long as humans will need to use some parts of nature to produce essential things, gadgets, fuels, etc., the use of those raw materials is evil to some inhabitants of this planet, to some components of nature.

It's all relative. For one to have depth about life's issues, one needs to note the relativity of certain things in life.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:03am On May 26
IamMichael:

Guy, the simple truth is that nature is. There is no importance to anything, there is no purpose to anything, and life has no meaning. Nature is just is.

If that's what you tell yourself, it's okay, at least for a nihilist. If you feel the whole point of existence is useless, definitely you see no point in living on earth.

When a person believes their existence has no purpose or importance, such a person seems lost/shallow.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:04am On May 26
gensteejay:
The importance or function of an entity or element is their purpose. For instance, if I design a robot to sweep the floor and do some chores for me, those are its purposes (importance). While those purposes are beneficial to me, it doesn't mean they're to my neighbor or my pet or the flowers in my garden.

Good and evil are relative and vary from one person to the other, from one tribe/culture, from one country to the other, from one species to the other.
So, nature provided Uranium so that people will use it to destroy themselves?
Does nature know who humans are?
Does nature ask for your permission before it does anything?
Does rain, sun, cold, heat, diseases, etc ask your permission for anything?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:08am On May 26
IamMichael:

So, nature provided Uranium so that people will use it to destroy themselves?
Does nature know who humans are?
Does nature ask for your permission before it does anything?
Does rain, sun, cold, heat, diseases, etc ask your permission for anything?

Nature is an aspect of God Almighty, the matrix of all consciousnesses (souls) including all gods and goddesses of religions.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:09am On May 26
Indaboski007:


Op your question is too funny. Infact I would say the existence of radioactive element proof that there is God. There are four forces

Gravitational electro-magnetic strong and weak nuclear forces without it you won't exist. Radioactive element makes nuclear forces work
Don't assert what you cannot prove!

How does the existence of radioactive element proof the existence of God?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:16am On May 26
IamMichael, you sure know that people also use fire to kill themselves, just like they use other harmful parts of nature as well.

Death itself is a natural process, which involves transitioning to another realm of existence.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:19am On May 26
onlyfacts:


I can't believe you just mocked the human design, by saying it is not a perfect work of art!

Even you can differentiate between something that is beautiful and something that's is not. I'm sure you can tell a beautiful girl from one who isn't so beautiful, in facials and form?

Yet you turn around and still mock the design.. Lol
Humans evolved... I'm sure when you see your ancestors from 1,000,000yrs ago, you will shudder!

Dogs, cows, goat, sheep, chicken, etc were all domesticated... Do you think they always looked that way?
Fruits like Apple, Banana(not a fruit as they say), maize and a whole lot of other edible things have been genetically modified by humans over time to look the way they are now and carry more nutrients. Do you think they all looked this way in the past?

Do you think white people were all white in the past? The latest discovery of the Cheddar Man proves they were not.

You guys should really expand your knowledge by reading. Only ignorance makes people continue to believe in silly things, despite evidence saying otherwise!
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:27am On May 26
onlyfacts:


Before I say any other thing, please amaze me with the many flaws of the human body and their corrections?
As perfect as your body is, simple cold, flu keeps you down, gets you shivering like an epileptic and running high on fever.

I don't even want to mention the bigger diseases and viruses and bacterias that will just fück you up with no human help(medicine/science).

Surely, your perfect designer also designed all this diseases to kill you, but yet never gave you the best body to fight them off... i mean, no matter how good your immune system is, there is always one sickness stronger than it right?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:28am On May 26
CHARLOE:

U can as well ask why d intelligent creator made trees instead of furniture?
Are trees the only thing every furniture is made of?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:36am On May 26
gensteejay:

Nothing is useless. Everything has its importance. There's good in every bad occurrence, and there's bad in every good occurrence.

From the human perspective, when something has more merits than demerits for humanity, overall, that thing is good for humans (note the perspective).

Conversely, when something has more risks than benefits, that thing is bad/evil for humanity (still from the human perspective).

But humans only constitute one of the components of our planet, and make up a minute fraction of the whole universe.

From a human perspective, wars are bad generally. It's better and more prudent for people to settle their issues amicable without the need to engage in warfare.

Settling some things amicably may seem difficult.

Even when the world advances to a better stage, where the use of fossil fuels has been banned and there are environmental-friendlier sources of fuel, good and bad will always remain relatives as they've always been.

So long as humans will need to use some parts of nature to produce essential things, gadgets, fuels, etc., the use of those raw materials is evil to some inhabitants of this planet, to some components of nature.

It's all relative. For one to have depth about life's issues, one needs to note the relativity of certain things in life.
Things just exist bro. That you found use for them doesn't mean jack, except make you think your life on earth is better than others.
Most of the things you found useful today, a lot of people lived in the past without them. Most of the things we found useful today, a lot of people will live without in the future. It's all meaningless. Stop attaching meaning to life, that's where the problem begins. Life has no meaning, will never do.
Let me ask you, aren't the planet's/stars without life existing?
What is the meaning of their existence? What purpose are they serving?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:40am On May 26
gensteejay:

If that's what you tell yourself, it's okay, at least for a nihilist. If you feel the whole point of existence is useless, definitely you see no point in living on earth.

When a person believes their existence has no purpose or importance, such a person seems lost/shallow.

Lol, going sentimental already? What, you can't handle the simple truth of life?
Whether you believe your life has meaning or not, you still die and rot away, and add to nature...and the cycle continues until the earth cannot hold itself anymore and phase out.

This is the truth, and the earliest you understand it, the better for you.

I know its a bitter pill to swallow, but that's why it's the truth. All this religious sentimentality is just people giving themselves false hope to not confront the simple truth about life.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:41am On May 26
IamMichael:

Things just exist bro. That you found use for them doesn't mean jack, except make you think your life on earth is better than others.
Most of the things you found useful today, a lot of people lived in the past without them. Most of the things we found useful today, a lot of people will live without in the future. It's all meaningless. Stop attaching meaning to life, that's where the problem begins. Life has no meaning, will never do.
Let me ask you, aren't the planet's/stars without life existing?
What is the meaning of their existence? What purpose are they serving?
Give me one cogent reason for something to merely exist. The Nairaland you're using merely exists, and you feel its owner created this forum to just exist?

If you design a system and it takes years to build it, you're saying you'd just conceive something, invest plenty of time and resources in designing it without serving any purpose?

Is there any sense in that?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:43am On May 26
IamMichael:

Lol, going sentimental already? What, you can't handle the simple truth of life?
Whether you believe your life has meaning or not, you still die and rot away, and add to nature...and the cycle continues until the earth cannot hold itself anymore and phase out.

This is the truth, and the earliest you understand it, the better for you.

I know its a bitter pill to swallow, but that's why it's the truth. All this religious sentimentality is just people giving themselves false hope to not confront the simple truth about life.
Common sense isn't that common. Shallow mindset.

And for your info, I'm not a religionist.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:45am On May 26
gensteejay:

Nature is an aspect of God Almighty, the matrix of all consciousnesses (souls) including all gods and goddesses of religions.

You cannot prove about the existence of God, so best not to start driving down that lane.

Whether Nature is an aspect of God or God is an aspect of nature, we cannot know. Our human mind lacks the capacity to know that, because we don't know shït about nature, we just know how some things happen.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by shadeyinka(m): 9:46am On May 26
LordReed:
You guys propose that an intelligent designer created everything, so what was its purpose for these sorts of elements?
So that in future men can exploit the stability of some elements and also exploit the instability of some elements to achieve good or bad! LOL!

No one can know why God did that in creation. I am still baffled by the kind of force that could from nothing assemble the positive protons diluted with neural neutrons and then bath them in a cloud of spinning and revolving electrons.

But on a serious note, it takes some massive external energy to make inherently unstable elements. That's why unstable elements will always decay to simpler more stable elements. It is easier for stable elements to be formed than unstable elements at the same time, the unstable elements break down into simpler/lighter but more stable element and energy is released . What is the source of these elergy that end up being released?

IamMichael:

I would like to know too. Invite @Shadeyinka, he seems to be all in with the Intelligent Design ish.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:46am On May 26
gensteejay:
IamMichael, you sure know that people also use fire to kill themselves, just like they use other harmful parts of nature as well.

Death itself is a natural process, which involves transitioning to another realm of existence.
Lol...and you have seen this realm of existence? Or did a dead person come back to tell you?
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:47am On May 26
IamMichael:

You cannot prove about the existence of God, so best not to start driving down that lane.

Whether Nature is an aspect of God or God is an aspect of nature, we cannot know. Our human mind lacks the capacity to know that, because we don't know shït about nature, we just know how some things happen.
Just teach your kids all this nonsense, and tell them to lead a life without any purpose, in other words, be useless.

You just need to practise what you preach in real life, and see how the life of a useless person turns out.

Got better things to do.
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by gensteejay(m): 9:48am On May 26
Some tripe you read on Nl, SMH
Re: For Intelligent Design Proponents Why Were Inert & Radioactive Elements Created? by IamMichael(m): 9:50am On May 26
gensteejay:

Give me one cogent reason for something to merely exist. The Nairaland you're using merely exists, and you feel its owner created this forum to just exist?

If you design a system and it takes years to build it, you're saying you'd just conceive something, invest plenty of time and resources in designing it without serving any purpose?

Is there any sense in that?
You did not even answer the questions in the post you quoted.

I'm sure after answering them, you would have answered your own question.

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