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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by CAPSLOCKED: 6:27pm On Jun 13|
YOU MADE A CLAIM THAT MOST MAJOR INVENTIONS CAME FROM ISRAEL. "MOST MAJOR".
NOW YOU CAN'T NAME THEM AND YOU'RE REDIRECTING ME TO GOOGLE AS IF IT WAS GOOGLE THAT MADE THE CLAIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
GOD'S OWN PEOPLE THAT HITLER AND HIS FRIENDS TURNED INTO HIS SEX TØY.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by yvelchstores(f): 6:33pm On Jun 13|
CAPSLOCKED:you can go category by category and feed your self with useful information. Of course you will mention me again with unbelieve but I tell you, your hate against anything God is not ordinary. May God help you! This generation, you will all see Jesus. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by CAPSLOCKED: 6:33pm On Jun 13|
MOST CHRISTIANS IN ISRAEL ARE IMMIGRANTS, JUST LIKE THE MUSLIMS THERE.
ISRAEL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A JEWISH COUNTRY. THEY DON'T FOLLOW JESUS, AND DISCARD THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENTS OF THE BIBLE BECAUSE IT IS A ROMAN INVENTION OF THINGS THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
THEY USE THE TORAH, FROM WHERE ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY BORROWED THEIR IDEAS.
ISRAELI HISTORIANS AND RESEARCHERS HAS SINCE DENIED BEING SLAVES IN EGYPT AND TRAVELING THROUGH THE BUSH FOR FORTY YEARS TO SETTLE IN A LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY. THE SUPPOSED OWNERS OF THESE STORIES ARE DENYING THEM, BUT NIGERIANS IN A DIFFERENT CONTINENT ENTIRELY TAKE THE BIBLE AS 100% FACT AND WILL STIGMATIZE ANYBODY WHO DARES DISAGREE WITH THE CLEAR TO SEE ABSURDITIES.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by CAPSLOCKED: 6:39pm On Jun 13|
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "CAME FROM ISRAEL", AND "CAME FROM AN ISRAELI". THAT INVENTIONS CAME FROM ISRAELITES DOESN'T MEAN IT CAME FROM ISRAEL. IT'S JUST LIKE SAYING IJEOMA'S BEST-SELLING BOOK CAME FROM NIGERIA, WHEN IT WAS RESEARCHED, PUBLISHED, AND MARKETED IN THE UNITED STATES. IF SHE WAS IN NIGERIA MAYBE SHE WOULD HAVE FAILED. THERE ARE ISRAELITES THAT DID GOOD WITH INVENTIONS, BUT DID THEY ALL SUCCEED IN ISRAEL, OR IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES THAT AFFORDED THEM THE PROPER MEANS TO STUDY, WORK AND EXCEL?
I DON'T HATE "GOD". IT'S A WASTEFUL THING TO DO. ALL THAT I DO HERE IS TO OPEN PEOPLE'S EYES ON THE MANY STORIES OF ALL THE FALSE GODS, YOURS INCLUSIVE.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by yvelchstores(f): 6:42pm On Jun 13|
CAPSLOCKED:this is absolutely ridiculous. Now you shift focus.
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by roteblomen(m): 6:43pm On Jun 13|
Israel would be better if you're not black, but if you are, go to Panama.
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Abbeybailey(m): 7:25pm On Jun 13|
Danielhouston:Spot on. Have been to Isreal four times working and sightseeing because our regional office is in Tel Aviv and the prejudice and racism there against Africans is appalling.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Danielhouston: 9:05pm On Jun 13|
Have you been to Turkey? Have you been to Israel?
I’ve been to both countries and my experience is that they’re equally bad for Black people (Africans). Most of the Nigerians who seem to be successful in Turkey are internet fraudsters. Otherwise, there is great suffering and discrimination in Turkey.
The working conditions are basically modern day slavery. Some Nigerians can’t even leave Turkey or return to Nigeria because they overstayed their visas and would be arrested and fined if they’re caught.
They do the shittiest jobs and get treated very badly. They can’t even marry for document. Infact, you could be attacked for trying to date a Turkish girl. Yes, a lot of it stems from the bad impression Nigerians have made but most of it is just pure hate and racism. Even their police hate us more.
I’ve been trying to get my best friend out of Turkey for about a year now and we’re still on it. I warned him before he went there but he didn’t listen. Now he’s suffering so much and would do anything to return to Nigeria. I’ve visited him a few times.
I had even arranged to get veneers in Turkey because of the cheap medical service. Seeing how they treat Black people, I cancelled my appointment and vowed to never put my money in their economy.
That being said, it is the same in Israel. You saying you’d rather experience racism in Turkey than in US, I hope that was sarcasm. People in the US have rights and constitutional laws that can protect people of color from racial injustice. What rights do you have in Turkey as an African man? Even Turkish nationals are afraid of their government. You should read more.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by benji93: 10:37pm On Jun 13|
I can't talk about Isreal, but I can talk about Turkey, cos i live there. Most Nigerians working here don't have work permits, unfortunately. Those that are into English don't even have teaching certification. Every businessman is looking to make the most profit. So, if you wanna work for my language school, how about I pay you less. If you want to get paid the standard go get an English language degree or the teaching certificate. Turkey wasn't built to accommodate foreigners. They provide jobs to employ their own citizens, which is obvious from the fact that the government-the biggest employer- only employs Turkish citizens. And that's fine, your people should always come first. Employment is largely limited by the language. They are not as highly industrialized as the US-not even close at all- so there's little diversity in the kind of opportunities available to foreigners. If I was not in an academic setting I would probably be doing one of those odd jobs myself. Do you want them to give you their jobs at the expense of their people? I am sometimes amazed by the fact they are not quite belligerent given the influx of Syrian refugees, who according to them are receiving a lot of incentives from the government at their expense. If there's animosity on such grounds I won't blame them, but I would prefer that it is directed at their leaders, but if you believe your leaders are not listening to you, your feelings will definitely develop to hatred. They have only been opening their doors for over 2 decades or so, particularly to Somalis and Syrian refugees. For one where did, you reside in Turkey? Be smart and well-grounded on your assertions and comparisons. Why would you overstay your visa in another country? I understand that survival sometimes brings us to that point, but it's still unacceptable, and whatever comes of it when you are caught accept it. You can only hope you don't get caught. Besides some of our people overstay and indulge in nefarious activities-Istanbul especially-so what do you expect? What the heck do you mean by rights? Isn't it illegal to overstay your visa? In Yoruba, we will say "Oun ti oju e bari ni be fara mo". Sorry if you don't understand, it's just quite suitable here. I understand you feel for your friend, but I wouldn't even be sure your friend is not at fault unless I hear his side of the story. And by the way, what you have described so far doesn't count as racism. You are being more emotional than rational, and that's always a problem when you wanna decide if a decision is reasonable. I don't want to bring this up, but the last I checked George Floyd had rights, but well the policeman still held him down by his neck. There've been numerous other cases, and you don't have to go that far down memory lane to dig them out. This is in a country that supposedly protects the rights of its people, not to talk of foreigners. As far as I am concerned, on the issue of racism, Turkey is not comparable to the US. It's worse in the US. Read more according to whom. I interact with Turks, so I don't necessarily have to go and find the information online which could be incorrect to different degrees, and the people publishing them could very well have ulterior motives other than publishing the news. You claim the people are afraid of their government but he has been re-elected at least 3 times. I don't know how that happens if the majority of the people do not want him there. According to those who don't support the government, they want a more liberal system-more western, at least that's the face of their argument. This is very well their right. They can only hope enough people join their camp, so they get want they want. As far as governance is concerned the opinion of the majority is correct until they are no longer the majority, whether they are uneducated or not. You can only hope somehow they get that education and see your light. But your light may not be correct, even if you have had a formal education, or you think you have.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by agrowell: 11:15pm On Jun 13|
I"m a Nigerian and black as well
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Danielhouston: 11:52pm On Jun 13|
You live in Turkey and I respect your experience, even though I don’t agree with the points you made. Like I said, I’ve been to Turkey and Israel and they both treat black people badly with similar terrible working and living conditions.
I should also mention that I live in Germany, which is home to many Turkish people, they’re the largest immigrant population in Germany. Speaking to them and seeing how they treat Black people also tells me a lot about their country. They even hold protests here against their Turkish government and call their president a tyrant. That is to answer your question about why he’s still in power.
There are a lot of things I could say, but let’s not derail this thread. The OP asked about Panama and Israel, so let’s leave it at that.
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by benji93: 12:36am On Jun 14|
Heck no, for all i care, those Turks in Germany were born in Germany. I don't understand how you think you know a country better than someone who's been there for years, even though you have never stayed for more than 3 months. You can believe whatever you want to believe. What the heck are you even talking about? Why he's still in power? You have not been listening. Elections are conducted every 4 years, and he won over 50% of the votes in the last one. Did they hold protests? How many people. The majority of the people voted him in, and that's all that matters. His people? . Can you please rethink your bases for assuming Erdogan is a tyrant. The Turks in Germany are protesting? And you think their grievances must be true. ; D. Someone lives in a foreign land and he thinks he must know the full picture of what's happening back at home cos he's are Turkish, and you outrightly believe them. Quite disappointed. Clearly they will more biased towards a westernized Turkish state similar ot Germany. And If you don't know much about a place other than what you read online, or what you hear from diasporans you need to be cautious of your opinion. I repeat again, on the issue of racism, the USA is far worse, the keyword is "far worse". I have discussed it. Besides my argument is solely on racism in Turkey by Turks, not on the government of Turkey. As you said perhaps this is derailing the thread, but you mentioned Turkey, and as a resident, i am obliged to chime in. You could have just limited yourself to Isreal. But of all the racist countries you could mention, you mentioned Turkey. You won't even mention Germany, a country in which racism is more pronounced, cos you live there?
Edit: I just looked up racism in Germany now, and there was a report by Al Jazeera that a german, with white supremacist motivations, went into two shisha joints, killed nine and injured 5(Hanau Murders). There's even an anti-Muslim party (AfD). There also cases of housing services not wanting to rent their houses to people that are not ethnic germans.
I could base my argument on this and tell you that Germany must be a racist country. But yet I'll be hesitant, cos I have never been there.
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Danielhouston: 1:50am On Jun 14|
Simple context: You live in Turkey but you have not been to Israel. I have been to Turkey and Israel and spent time in both countries. They both treat black people badly. As a black man, I don’t have to live in a country for 10 years to know I’m not welcomed there. Even on a 2 weeks visit, I can experience as much racism and see how Black people are being treated.
Of course you can tell me it’s not as bad as I think it is. You live there and you know better. I am not arguing about your day-to-day personal experience, neither am I disregarding your knowledge of Turkey. But in comparison to Israel which I’ve also been to, I saw similarities.
Secondly, not every Turk living in Germany was born here. Some fled from their dangerous government and outdated laws. Who says they cannot speak about what is going on in THIER country, because they live in Germany?
So if we’re talking about Nigeria and Buhari, you would rather listen to a white man living in Nigeria, than a Nigerian man who left Nigeria for the UK?
You’re telling me to be cautious of my opinion based on what I read online, but you’re comparing Turkey to USA, based on what you read online about USA.
As for the other things you mentioned, I don’t have the energy to go back and forth with you. I leave you to your opinion. Adios
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by TheMan3: 6:34am On Jun 14|
J111333:Israel is holy land. And do not call it nonsense
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by TheMan3: 6:44am On Jun 14|
CAPSLOCKED:so you say Israel denies Moses? So which law are the Jews following ?
My brother or sister go and read the Bible and you will know why Israel is highly significant to Christians. You talk about Hitler, he wasn't the first to attack the Jews that way, the Bible tells us of several occasions they were sent on exile. And the final one. And how they will be gathered together now as a sign. We'll go and read and stop talking like this. I bet you are not even a Christian. If you are not, then what is your business ?
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Realtor1(m): 7:43am On Jun 14|
As a black person, Israel is not a place you go to 'hustle'. Lot of racists in that country
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by agrowell: 11:53am On Jun 14|
hmmmm..... eye opener. I really appreciate
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by agrowell: 12:02pm On Jun 14|
You guys are really doing great job here. I really appreciate.
Racism as a factor has been greatly dealt with and I can conclude this:
Panama 1 vs Israel 0 (Racism Factor)
Now let discuss on another factor such as employment
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by lillaowow(m): 3:08pm On Jun 14|
You're unserious. What else to discuss?
You think a country that don't want you there and hate you because of your skin will give you job opportunity?
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|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by jizzyjordan: 3:57pm On Jun 14|
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Uyi168(m): 5:23pm On Jun 14|
Heard the thread was delected..
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by heniford2: 5:29pm On Jun 14|
Uyi168:was not maybe his tried of the stuff trust africa
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by agrowell: 6:42pm On Jun 14|
Can you live a worthy life without abusing people? Maybe better at time to keep quiet instead of becoming nuisance
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by lillaowow(m): 7:16pm On Jun 14|
"Unserious" is now an abuse?
I should have called you a retärd then. Because it doesn't seem like you understand what people are telling you.
Use your brain for once. Israel doesn't have an opportunity for you based on the color of your skin.. how else do you want anyone to translate it for you?
What other languages do you speak since you don't seem to understand English
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by MPESA(m): 9:41pm On Jun 14|
You lied Sir, Igbo has a Strong Union in Israel and they do celebrate there New Yam Festival Annually I even know the presents Igwe of Igbo people in Israel.
You made a valid point regarding the Panama as easier road to Yankee.... But fumble Big time by comparing freedoms and Opportunities Israel to Islamic Republic of Saudi Arabia... Omo E go worst and Red for anyone weh no bi Muslim for Saudi Arabia...
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by agrowell: 9:45pm On Jun 14|
"Good radiance to bad rubbish"
I checked into your moniker and I find out that you have never been a positive contributor. Why did others not use this same derogative word to answer me
Is it a crime to consider as many factors as possible in assessing a situation
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Edwin02110(m): 10:18pm On Jun 14|
agrowell:Bro do you have any link you are sure of helping you to get Isreal's visa? I am considering going there
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by agrowell: 10:26pm On Jun 14|
Yes, I know someone who promised to handle the two countries for. Hence, I want diligent and cocksure of a better place before making my choice.
NB: I myself have not committed to the person because I want to be careful of scammers
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by favor2016: 12:47am On Jun 15|
ZINIBANKS:Isreal is a good country for their citizens but bad to illegal immigrant. Their minimum wage is more than #900k if you convert it to naira, so their citizens are not ready to migrate to anywhere.Stop giving false information cos you want to advertise.
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by Danielhouston: 12:54am On Jun 15|
Nigerian: Pls can someone tell me about hell fire? I want to go there and hustle.
Everybody: Don’t go there, it is dangerous.
Nigerian: Can someone help me with visa to hell fire?
Smh. It is well....
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by lillaowow(m): 4:49am On Jun 15|
Dog wey no dey hear whistle.....
"I've never been a positive contributor"..
Or you mean I" no dey lie give you .."
Dey go Israel nah. Bye bye
|Re: Which Is A Better Country? Israel Or Panama by ZINIBANKS: 7:19am On Jun 15|
favor2016:Have you been there before.?
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