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Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Freewilly(f): 2:53am On Jul 02, 2007 |
Somebody is really taking this thread personal . Is there a doctor in the house. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by ThiefOfHearts(f): 2:59am On Jul 02, 2007 |
I hope they aren't taking it as personal as you guys took the osu thread? |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 3:54am On Jul 02, 2007 |
na wa. . . my Longman's Dictionary of Insulting Words is growing ever so steadily. Keep it going peeps. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by spoilt(f): 3:58am On Jul 02, 2007 |
Freewilly:a doctor does need to come here. temperatures are climbing. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by MP007(m): 5:24am On Jul 02, 2007 |
if u really want to knwo.ask ur papa |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by ghettochyk(f): 5:52am On Jul 02, 2007 |
posted by the self and world proclaimed thief lmao!!! i don't blame you. YOU of all people should know a lot about short buses since you and your entirely family had to ride it from k-12. the thing that's making you mad is the fact that your mother or whoever In person, I hardly get into discussions with people of your "lesser-advanced" mental capacity level and I refuse to do so online either. so if you're looking for someone to go back and forth with, you've found the wrong person. SORRY. naahh, i'mma take that back |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Freewilly(f): 6:25am On Jul 02, 2007 |
ghettochyk: Now I see why the girl with the fxcked up face is taking this thread so personal poor thing I can only imagine what she went through growing up. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by ThiefOfHearts(f): 2:53pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
Oh she actually thought I'd read that garbage. o ma se o |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by TerraCotta(m): 3:28pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
I knew if I left this simple discussion alone for the weekend, I'd come back to a thread full of crap. Eyin Naijas, sha. On to the comments. The only one I could really make sense of was this one-- my sister.I weak o. Ah--stop there, babyO. Several Igbo academics have been quoted already in this thread. They know all about Igbo naming ceremonies. You don't. If you believe they're wrong, go and confront them. Or better yet, publish your own scholarly article on the issue. What you can't do is expect anyone to trust your limited knowledge or that of your relatives, who I'm sure are very pleasant people, but none of whom seem to be experts on Igbo culture. worst of all,they read it on the internet from a yoruba man and woman. Is that what's 'paining' you about the whole issue? You go threaten to commit suicide if I tell you that the first book in Igbo was written by Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther, a Yoruba cleric? Knowledge has no colour or ethnicity, 'baby'. guess all the Igbos who have this same views with us all lived in a cocoon,a book has revealed this,lol No--it just means that they don't know what an 'igu afa' is. No crime in that---I learn new things about my culture all the time. What's silly is expecting my cousin or my aunt or my internet chat buddies to corroborate every new thing I find out about. By your standard, I'd be claiming Yorubas no longer make facial marks since none of my immediate relatives have them. I'd expect more logical reasoning from adults, but I don't want to disappoint myself so I'll keep the standards low here. Please keep us posted on your ongoing research though---just try and keep it in the appropriate thread. Alright--this thread is not about naming ceremonies, folks. Those who are wilfully ignorant of their own cultures can stay that way in peace--whatever you believe about igu afa (which, by the way, is translated as 'naming' ceremony in my copy of "Igbo-English Dictionary : A Comprehensive Dictionary of the Igbo Language" by Professor Michael Echuero, sitting on my shelf at home ) is not the point of this discussion. There's a whole thread about Igbo names and their meanings somewhere in this forum, so direct your questions or comments there and I'll be happy to answer if I can. Back to topic: as I posted earlier, a smart young medical student named Olubimpe Ayeni at the University of Ottawa posted some of the images from Rev. Samuel Johnson's 'History of the Yoruba' in her essay about cicatrization in Africa. Here's the link again for those who missed it in the middle of all the nonsensical chatter earlier: http://www.med.uottawa.ca/medweb/hetenyi/ayeni.htm (ghetto folks are exempted from reading about culture, if it's too taxing for them). I'm attaching the image to the thread too. What's most interesting is that Ife people (considered the heartland of Yoruba culture) do not make facial marks traditionally (see image). The other option pictured as 'Ife marks' are actually the same as the Oyo marks and were likely brought there by the Modakeke migrants from Oyo that settled in Ife in the 19th century. Oyo marks are also the most recognizable, i.e. the black-and-white photo earlier in this thread of the old Western Region premier and Nigerian minister for health, Samuel Akintola. Donzman still hasn't told me how he's planning to pay, by the way. My people are known as 'osomaalo'--we always collect on our debts, o.
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Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 3:44pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
@ThiefofHearts, Girl. . . .you have made your point clearly & succintly. Let those who have ears to hear. . .hear! And may those who have eyes to see, have the wisdom to discern the truth. Everyone knows that naming ceremonies in Yoruba land, can be as large and as flamboyant, as the organisers want it to be or as small and informal, as possible. It all depends on the family involved, and the community, in which they live, as well as the size of their pockets. Not all naming ceremonies are large, noisy, road-blocking events. I often see these kind of loud parties in Lagos. In other parts of Yoruba land, especially in the rural areas, it is a small, intimate affair with only very close relatives involved. It takes place within the family compound, or in the house of the newborn's paternal grand-father, in most cases. An outsider may not know that there is anything, going on. So those trying to equate a naming ceremony, with a large flamboyant gathering have missed the point. @TerraCotta, Even if the truth came & smacked some folks in the face, they wouldn't recognise it. My friend, you have done your best trying to share as much facts and info. as you can, on this issue. Its' best to close the case. Those who are interested in learning more, can do their own research. Maybe all the Igbo scholars and researchers who have written about 'Igu afa' were probably hallucinating. Who knows? The same people who condemn a person for pointing to articles cited on the internet as a source of verifiable information, would readily pull off articles from the same internet, when they want to justify their own warped, myopic view. Pity! Let's hope illumination would one day dawn on them. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 3:46pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
Donzman: You see, when I said you failed comprehension exercises in school, I wasn't far from the truth. You are equating a Yoruba naming ceremony solely with a lavish party! That is plain silly. From what I have seen, a Yoruba naming ceremony is a simple, traditional affair where names are given by the family members, prayers are said by the elders and things like salt, honey, sugar cane, 'orogbo' etc. are used as symbolic items to add colour & depth to the prayers. Gifts are given to the baby, or money is dropped in a plate for the child's mother to hold in trust for the kid. It is only celebrants with deep pockets, that throw a large party to mark the event. Not all Yoruba families do that. So this your description of a Yoruba naming ceremony, solely as an event marked by "diversion of traffic ", is plain silly!! http://www.folklife.si.edu/africa/photo2.htm As for Igbo naming ceremonies, I do believe TerraCotta has already answered the question in his posts. If it never existed, why would eminent Igbo scholars (and foreign ones too), decide to write about it? @everyone, Now that the issue of tribal marks have been trashed out, can we all move on? |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by TerraCotta(m): 4:15pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
Laudate--you sef, you don try I was just talking to someone about Urhobo markings (I was thinking about your grandfather's neighbor from the Niger Delta with the 'rings' on her arms). She said they were mostly done for beautification purposes, not identification etc. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 4:32pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
yawning yawn yawn. donzman,GC,Zulu,freewilly and ninetofive,davidylan are all my relatives,according to terracotta. how amazing. and why are you talking about suicide? ,because I had no naming ceremony and you insist I should have had one? one last yawn awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww nnnnnnnnnn with both hands in the air,back curved and neck tilted to the right Have a great week people,I sure will. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by seun001(m): 4:43pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
i wonder if sleeping dogs will ever be let alone, na wah oooo! |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Mustay(m): 4:57pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
seun001: |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by TerraCotta(m): 5:05pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
babyosisi: I said expecting my cousin or my aunt or my internet chat buddies to corroborate every new thing I find out aboutmakes little sense. Read again, and please cover your mouth when you yawn. It's rude not to do so in certain cultures ghettochyk: Didn't even notice this before. You know the discussion's gone off the deep end when people resort to making stuff up and insulting people's parents etc. Your name suits you well, sha. You can feel free to say whatever insults you come up with---I won't be bothering to reply to you |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 5:22pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
seun001: The pikin wey talk say im mama no go sleep, im sef no go sleep. Carry go peeps. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 5:35pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
touchy touchy terra cotta PMS in shirt and trousers What you can't do is expect anyone to trust your limited knowledge or that of your relatives, who I'm sure are very pleasant people, but none of whom seem to be experts on Igbo culture. memory is failing cotta can I help with gingko boloba |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Tonim(f): 5:40pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
laudate: I have observed this too. Hypocrisy at its best. Now that they don't have any legit argument to make, they are resorting to cheap personal attacks. What a pity |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 5:50pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
Like how I found out in 1995 that blacks were subhuman according to a book written by an Englishman in the 15th century I hope tribal marks don't have the words ignorance inscribed |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by TerraCotta(m): 5:57pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
babyosisi: Big girls shouldn't cry, mama osisi. I was referring to the relatives you mentioned in that quote, and I mentioned your fellow chatters who didn't know about igu afa in another part of my post (quoted above). It's really not that complicated, is it It's spelled 'biloba', by the way. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 6:33pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
my bad,biloba. Why wouldn't you know igu afa means naming. It does not mean naming ceremony. My parents gu m afa when i was born means they gave me a name. anyi n'agu nwanyi afa means we are naming our baby. anyway,I'm done with that,all this free Igbo lessons for nothing. Please extend me an invitation when you find terra cottress, and you are naming your little terra cutie, I'm dying to see what goes on in these yoruba version of "Igu afa"that Igbos are denying |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 6:41pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
babyosisi: Oh my goodness. . . .the irony of it all! Hehehehe. . . .haven't laughed this much in years! I guess those who name their babies usually do so in utmost secrecy, within the privacy of their bedrooms or kitchens, without anybody being present. Cool! |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 6:59pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
laudate: What type of naming ceremony where you expecting? Of course they dont name the babies in secrecy, when the baby is born every older family member (grandparents, uncles, aunts) or as many as the parents of the baby contact to send names give names. After a while the parents announce the names they have chosen for the baby and chikena story don finish! No, no one needs to be present save the parents when the name of the baby is chosen. No one was present when my cousins where named and at least 14 of them are igbo! And yes they all did so in the privacy of their bedrooms. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 7:10pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
davidylan: Thanks for the confirmation. I will make sure that one of my Igbo cousins who is expecting his first baby, adheres to the 'privacy-of-their-bedroom' rule. The guy was actually planning to hire a caterer, and have an r.s.v.p (rice, soup very plenty!!) kind of gathering, within his yard. I must remind him to conform to the tradition. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Freewilly(f): 7:15pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
laudate: Now that davidylan proved you wrong you trying to be funny, dude you not fooling anyone Any why in God's name do you all have Igbo Cousins, makes me wonder |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 7:18pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
Freewilly: Oh dear. . . .here we go again!! |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 7:25pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
laudate: there are no hard and fast rules. I do not claim to have all knowledge of igbo customs but i'm only speaking from the experience of those i have seen, observed and grown up with. and btw you all of a sudden now have an igbo cousin too? |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 7:35pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
What type of naming ceremony where you expecting? Of course they don't name the babies in secrecy, when the baby is born every older family member (grandparents, uncles, aunts) or as many as the parents of the baby contact to send names give names. After a while the parents announce the names they have chosen for the baby and chikena story don finish! David maybe she'll finally understand you. You see what I've been seeing? |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by Nobody: 7:36pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
and between you all of a sudden now have an igbo cousin too? Igbo cousins that had naming ceremonies,allahu akhbar! why can't people stop korokoro lies |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 7:38pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
@Davidylan, Go back & read all my previous posts on this thread & other threads. Then you'll see how I got related to my Igbo cousins. Am tired of repeating myself. *yawn, * @Babyosisi, Oh, I understand you. . . .perfectly. You, on the other hand, have deliberately chosen to 'misunderstand' what everyone else has been saying on this thread. Free your mind. |
Re: What Is The Significance Of The Yoruba Tribal Marks by laudate: 7:40pm On Jul 02, 2007 |
babyosisi: Um. . . .tsk, tsk. . . .you are looking for someone else to exchange words with. Um, that is so sad. |
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