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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 3:11am On Aug 26, 2020 |
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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 3:20am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Emusan: WAYO man Proverbs 8:22 = Genesis 14:19,22. Psalms 139:13 and Deuteronomy 32:6. Go and confirm The Targum , (Aramaic, the closest language to Hebrew spoken by the Jews) in all these Bible verses stated here.
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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Image123(m): 3:42am On Aug 26, 2020 |
To what purpose if i may ask the OP? |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 6:51am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Emusan:So the phrase "By myself" appeared in that Bible book we are discussing shey? Well Jehovah always say so because he's the master brain behind creation but as regards all his works Jehovah always make use of his intelligent creatures giving them the privilege to participate. When he wanted to deliver Israel from slavery he first of all trained Moses (a violent man) to become the meekest man before using him, he made him like a God! Today God is bringing all people together as one but he is using humans to achieve this, the same way he used Michael during creation! BEFORE HIS WORKS OF OLD....wo the speaker can't be the first created when he's already exists before the first work begins.Of course Jesus (Michael) is his first creature so Michael could say "before everything else i was born" {Proverbs 8:24-25} so the same person explained what he meant by "before his works of old" Isn't your WISDOM the master worker of whatever you do?This is what Blabbermouth keep saying, you're now imputing your own interpretation here, the person speaking is not some imaginary wisdom but an entity on his own otherwise he couldn't have been asked to sit at God's right hand if he's not a separate person! Psalms 110:1 |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:19am On Aug 26, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: MuttleyLaff: Blabbermouth:Fill your boots with OT Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 40:3 above. Mind you, Blabbermouth, you havent in the same numbered format and style asked, have a stab at the above 10 easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless and straightforward questions |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by sagenaija: 7:36am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: 'Like' is 'like'. So, in that passage one cannot say definitely that it is an angel. Deductively I do not see where it says a man became Divine in the Daniel passage. I also noted that he is WORSHIPED. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 7:43am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Image123: I suppose this is another Nairalander like the young lady Rozz who called all Trinitarians out to come and face Jehovah's Witnesses due to the way we've been debunking your TRINITY God! Don't be bias Sir, Blabbermouth still don't accept our belief that Jesus is Archangel Michael either. So feel free to express yourself here if you know something about the topic of discussion it's a free world! |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 7:46am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Watch this Blabbermouth, you tried severally to reach me but couldn't leave a message behind on my phone because the voice box was full, so you called my missus and left a message behind on her phone. Whilst in the driving to the mall, she played her voice box to hear messages left on it. I overheard some words being spoken because she play it with the speaker on, so I asked upon hearing your words, isn't that Blabbermouth, isn't that person speaking Blabbermouth. Note I didnt say isn't that thing speaking, rather I said isn't that person. Of course, every human is one person. The same way I used the H20 analogy earlier on, no matter whether turned into water, ice or steam, H20 still retains its elements and/or molecular composition God creates by the "Let there be ..." spoken Word and through the power of the enabling seven spirits of God, He creates, He wields, He sees, He knows, He's everywhere et cetera I am a spirit, with a soul housed in a earth mass of body. My word represents me, my name represents me. My good name and word that's as good as gold are very important to me and my family 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 7:50am On Aug 26, 2020 |
sagenaija: My friend unless you want to delude yourself, the fought person Nebuchadnezzar saw inside that fairy furnace wasn't a man, it's the same Archangel Michael! There is no other way Nebuchadnezzar could have described what he saw since angels always appear like humans! The last chapter of that Bible book uncovered the identity of the angelic Prince who has been standing in support of God's servants! Daniel 10:13 compare to 12:1 |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 8:02am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:It's your quest, not our quest. I've already told you this: If you're not satisfied with my answer, then search the scriptures on your own, don't expect people to spoon feed you if truly you're a Christian. You should be the one feeding the people with the word of God, but like I said, search the scriptures, if you can't find your answer, then make any inference you desire. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 8:31am On Aug 26, 2020 |
advocatejare: The only key to open the door to discernment on all this sacred secrets has been given to JWs, it's simple and straightforward Jesus was the same person known as Archangel Michael all those who keep rejecting this enlightenment will continue to wallow in delusion until God's Kingdom come! Even when Jesus was born the rulership hasn't been given him not until 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have been saying this for over 100 years now but simply because they're not performing spectacular signs most people are ignoring them! Well whoever wants to know exactly how we arrive at 1914 should do well to ask his neighbour who happens to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, they'll educate you on the times and seasons as predicted in God's word! But as for the fulfilment of that PROPHECY Jesus narrated how his earthly followers will know when he receive that authority to begin ruling! Matthew 24:3-14 The first move must be ousting Satan and his demons from heaven and they will face the earth, this was the reason WAR broke out on planet earth in 1914 and if you carefully meditate on the events following 1914, you'll notice all what Jesus said one by one:- War will break out on planet earth! There will be food shortages due to the wars! Demons will possess many people and give them powers to perform signs! People will betray one another for many reasons! Many of his earthly followers will be stumbled and hate one another! Because of increase of lawlessness the love of many will grow cold! Some will continue to endure despite all these! The preaching and teaching work will continue till the end come! Matthew 24:7-14 |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 9:00am On Aug 26, 2020 |
AntiChristian:This shows you've been deceiving yourself for so long! Once you are aware that people can quote out of context, it means you too need to know the correct application of what you're quoting in the Bible Sir! |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 10:34am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: Gbagam |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 10:48am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Joshua 5:13-15 is your starting point for thorough research... Go & learn Although, most claims by KNOWMORE56 have no biblical support. But when he noted that Jesus is the angel of Yahweh ( "angel of the Lord" in some Bible versions), i dorf my hat for him. Las, Las Archangel leads other angels, Matt16:27 , 2 Thess1:7-9, Jesus Christ is doing just that. There is only one Archangel. Go figure |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 11:18am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Hold on, I can understand so far that you don't believe Jesus had a divine nature before he came to the earth? That should mean you don't believe Jesus had a prehuman existence, correct? |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 11:22am On Aug 26, 2020 |
Emusan: Emusan Lienus Yahweh alone by Himself wrote the laws He alone gave to Israel. Who else gave laws to Israel? Did Yahweh come down from heaven and give the laws to each family in Israel? Yahweh's law came to Israel Through a channel... WAYO man use your brain, give us the name . "Yahweh possessed me" in Psalms 139:13 and Proverbs 8:22. (Strong's Hebrew 7069 is your nemesis here.. every Trinitarian wan change am by fire by force). WAYO man, I challenge you to come here and twist it Also, Genesis 14:19,22 , these scriptures are damning indictment on Emusan Lienus |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 12:13pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
DappaD: His problem is simple! He doesn't find TRINITY reasonable yet he wants to believe that Jesus is the same as the Almighty God who wasn't created. So he's locked up between two opinions whether to agree with JWs that Jesus is Archangel Michael and continue building on how this creature took part in the salvation of mankind or agree with TRINITY and continue building on how to explain Jesus' position in the Trinitarian Godheads! His main problem now is there is no siting on the fence! 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Image123(m): 2:01pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: You and the sensual urge to prop up wickedness into every discussion. It will be well with you some day. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 2:37pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Image123:I don't know what you mean by wickedness when people ask thought provoking questions about what they don't understand. But all the same,may it be well with you too in Jesus name! |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 3:25pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Maximus69: Hmm I think he made it clear that he doesn't believe in trinity. But does he believe Jesus is the same as God? If so, then he's a trinitarian but doesn't know it yet. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 3:47pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
DappaD: That's the problem with most misinformed Trinitarians! They say TRINITY is nonsense, yet they're claiming Jesus is the Almighty God! |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by sagenaija: 4:06pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Maximus69:I was actually referring to Daniel 7:13-14 which Blabbermouth quoted in response to him not the passage you're stating up there. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 8:57pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Hebrews 1:8-12; "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. " Additional scripture: "The Lord is the Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is is liberty" Only those to whom it's given to understand this mystery, will discern the meaning of this. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 9:43pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Csonice1:There is nothing mysterious about Fraud packaged as Truth. Bros , @ Hebrew 1:8 Yahweh NEVER spoke that FRAUD you posted up there.. Ask me why? 1st reason: Hebrew 1:8-9 in Greek is a direct quotation of Psalms 45:6-7 in Hebrew language Masoretic Text.. Therefore, Psalms 45:6, the original is in Hebrew language, not Greek. How is Psalms 45:6 written in Hebrew language? The Hebrew language Masoretic Text screenshot is attached for your reference. Therefore, Hebrew 1:8 must be word for word in tandem with Psalms 45:6. Why did Hebrews1:8 deviate from Psalms 45:6? 2) The Catholic Church propagated Trinity before our grandparents were born. Why not examine the Catholic New Jerusalem Bible @ Psalms 45:6? (See Screenshot) Is it the same thing in Hebrew 1:8? *3) @Rev3:21, @1 Chronicle 29:23,@Luke1:31-33, Jesus Christ confirm that Psalms 45:6 Hebrew Masoretic Text is very authentic. Final conclusion: Hebrew 1:8 have been Dubiously twisted to support Trinitarians scam. Shalom.
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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 9:53pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Janosky: All these nah STORY! STORY!! STORY!!! Let them present the group Jesus said will serve as the light of the world. After all one person in Nigeria can't serve that purpose inside his room, it means Jesus was referring to a global group that will be known far and wide. But these people have contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, so which of their Churches is serving as the salt and light Jesus foretold! Matthew 5:13-16 |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:04pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Janosky: Which Bible verse is ever original to you? well, I guess none. yet I will still give more witnesses. but I have a simple peice of advice: some theologians are atheists, their views don't really matter; I was shocked when I read some of their views about authenticity of biblical prophecy. stop running off to screenshot opinion( anyone with means can put his opinion there, it doesn't make any difference) : let no one deceive you. more [scriptural] witnesses to come: |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:15pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD. the above implies that the word existed right from the beginning, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD.. here, this means that at least there were two persons(not two gods); @ least two persons in the beginning; The word,&God : for the word was with God. (for more research on the usage of the word "with" ) AND THE WORD WAS GOD the implications of the above is that the word is equal with God : is the same as God. So there is more than one person in God. Now also, we understand that the Lord is the Spirit: The spirit of the Lord. and the Spirit of God is a different personality, yet having the power of God: his first appearance in scripture is as a creator: and we know that God created the Heavens and the Earth. Father, Son, and Spirit. Making three persons in one God. ________________________________________________ Together the verse says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God and the word was God." There is scriptural evidence that Christ was/is in God[The Father] Now, the significance of this verse [in agreement with other scriptures] is that the Word was with God in the beginning as a dimension of Him(another person, having tangible existence), coexisting from the beginning, in agreement with Him; proceeding forth from Him for the redemption of man. Both being united through the Spirit of the Lord. ADDITIONAL SCRIPTURE: The Lord is the Spirit : and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:21pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking to John) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:29pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
Job 19:25 " For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:" Isaiah 47:4 As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 1:11 [Jesus] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:34pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Colossians 1:15 [Christ] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Philippians 2:5&6 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God :" |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:51pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
In the beginning was the Word,and The word was with God and the word was God [John 16:13-15, 27-29] Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I[Jesus], that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. 29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. [pls,start all over again] |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 11:53pm On Aug 26, 2020 |
God of truth,Truth, and spirit of Truth Isaiah 65:16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Father, Son & Spirit : God of Truth, Truth & Spirit of Truth; Spirit of God; Spirit of Christ. |
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