Openbusiness:
Don't mind that guy. That his comment made me realize am probably talking to an indomie generation. If not for America, Hitler would have turned Europe to a German Empire. He will still be cursing America in his grave till today. One wonderful thing America has is military foresight. They knew that if Hitler's Germany took over Europe, America was the next target to be conquered and it won't be easy for America to win that war alone. So they had to inject themselves into the war at the highest level. The same way America was sure as hell not going to let Germany takeover Europe then, is the same way America is sure as hell not going to let China take over Asia. Just look at these pictures, yet some very ignorant people who are boastfully proud of their ignorance think China can go toe to toe with America in a full blown war and survive. If China likes, let them have 2 billion soldiers, they will be turned to dust....Kikikikiki, laughing in Yen

GLOBAL MILITARY PRESENCE OUTSIDE OF THEIR COUNTRY
China (picture 1) VS America (Picture 2)..........

I thought you knew history but you're just one of those American apologies. America was supplying British ammunitions because they can't withstand the Germany Nazi superior technology and ammunitions. America didn't save Russians from Nazis, Russia weather was the turning point of the war because the Nazis didn't prepare for winter and Russia used that as an advantage. America was never at the battlefield until the liberation of France Normandy that's one of the reason America are the world power because they are the only country that benefited from the war. Every other countries had great losses. Have a nice day.

ProfAmaben:
I love China's progress but they should steer clear of the US. The US can obliterate China in one fell swoop.

Chinko, don't start what you can't finish.

All the military equipment China is using today are all copy cat of the US inventions. Raptor F22 was copied into Chengdu, China should provoke the US, we have enough land to bury them.

My advice to China: Don't forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a hurry.

US can do this, US can do that, I do wonder where you people get this notion from that the Americans can win China in a war, there are no historical evidences of their military might to support this ego showoff you guys keep handing them.

dermmy:


But America that had it was still defeated by a small country like North-Vietnam so what went wrong?

Is this the best You can do? Your copy and paste doesn't help on this thread, openbusiness has opened your yansh down with facts and figures.

ProfAmaben:


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BornRicch:


I thought you knew history but you're just one of those American apologies. America was supplying British ammunitions because they can't withstand the Germany Nazi superior technology and ammunitions. America didn't save Russians from Nazis, Russia weather was the turning point of the war because the Nazis didn't prepare for winter and Russia used that as an advantage. America was never at the battlefield until the liberation of France Normandy that's one of the reason America are the world power because they are the only country that benefited from the war. Every other countries had great losses. Have a nice day.

Yes, the freezing -40 degrees weather that came around helped the Soviets withstand, recover and win the battle of Stalingrad. A battle they had almost lost completely. The Soviets lost over 1 million troops in that encounter. The entire war wasn't fought in extreme cold of snow, just some parts of the war that fell during winter season. And it helped the Soviets no doubt because they were used to that and were prepared and had enough supplies. But Germany had a problem getting supplies to their troops because of the terrible weather. Visibility problems for their aircrafts bringing supplies, equipment failures, weapons problems. So yes, it's true, that aspect was well documented. It saved the Soviets in the battle of Stalingrad. It is widely said that assuming the Soviets lost that battle of Stalingrad, Moscow would have fallen. However, see, let me tell you, the saving grace of the Soviet Union was that they had a crazy dictator Joseph Stalin, who by all means was just as much as crazy a dictator as Hitler and didn't care how many lives he had to sacrifice to make a stand off. At a point Stalin sent a bitter message to the allied forces of USA and Britain. He told Roosevelt and Churchill that it was the Soviet Union at the receiving end of German terror and they were losing extremely huge number of troops, and that they were also the ones causing the greatest casualties to the Germans. It was partly true. He urged them to move in quickly to help them out. But the truth is most of the Soviet latter success at the battle front was because the British had found a way to intercept and decode Morse code communication of the Germans from Germany to the war front, so they knew most of their plans. That technology breach was another saving grace for the Soviets that helped them to stand their ground after initial major losses at different battles. War is not a single fight. War = battle + battle + battle + .......battle. It is a compilation of battles. There were many battles in WW2, many highs and lows on both sides but considering the limited military manpower Germany had, they still had the upper hand and would have defeated the Soviets. It was when they had lost millions of troops and couldn't recover the man power deficit that they began to have serious problems. And the real problem was Hitler made the mistake of dividing his forces. See the pictures, those soldiers with hands on their heads are surrendered Soviet soldiers on Soviet soil defeated by the Germans as there troops progressed into the Soviet Union. The other picture of soldiers sitting on the ground are captured Soviet soldiers, prisoners of war captured by German forces ON Soviet soil, around 650,000 Soviet troops were taken prisoners of war as the German forces advanced towards Moscow. So the battle was a volatile war, all things being equal, the Soviets were no match for the Germans, had it not been for the allied forces of USA and Britain that were pushing on the West, Hitler would have defeated Stalin. Hitler made many errors, his biggest error was declaring war against America after Japan had attacked America. His biggest error was making America an enemy in the fight. America initially had planned to remain neutral na not involve in the war directly. Had America been neutral, doing only logistics and weapons supply and materials support and not actually fought in the war, Germany would have prevailed. Of course they will lose some battles but they would have won the war.

Simeonjoe1:


No German won't have won... Before American launched the western offensive, the bulk of the German forces has been defeated on the eastern front and they are already retreating..
OK you are using casualties to measure effectiveness and success of a combat operation, no wonder.. The thing is success in a war is measured by your objectives and the aim you are able to achieve not by casualties as long as you are still fighting and you still remain a formidable force (casualties also matter too but it is not used to measure war success)...
Do you know Germany kill more allies soldiers than they lost yet the allies won the western front.
In the liberation of Africa do you know the Germans and axis power inflict more casualties on the allied forces yet the allied forces won..
Even the American revolutionary War you mentioned America suffered far more casualties about 8x than great Britain but then you term it a success why?
Like someone said above the success of war is measured by objectives not by casualties in combat.

Do you know the most powerful "secret" weapon the Soviets had during WW2 that helped them turn over the war and start winning after an initial string of huge losses? Crypotologic code breakers that were provided by the Allied forces, especially America. America had a special intelligent unit of over 10,000 code breakers that were intercepting and decoding most of the German military communication and instructions from Berlin. They would then send the info to Stalin in Moscow and that was how he started recording major victories in the battle, because they countered all the German offensives and the Germans were stunned wondering how the Soviets knew their every battle plans, at a point they concluded they must be a spy in Germany working against Germany. That was how come America also was able to avoid heavy casualties among their own troops because they knew where to avoid and when and where to strike because they had codebreakers and Germany didn't know their Morse codes were being decoded. So American participation in the war was the tipping point that tipped victory to the side of the allies.

dermmy:


Bro pls just put that intl law aside the intl law America and its allies have violated hundred times over for their selfish interest. Now look at the network of military bases America has built to encircle China in that region and you don't want China to take some counter measures?

The military bases China is building in the south China sea is to stop America's armada from taking China by surprise given the history of China's invasion from the sea. Bro this is a game of power please just put international law aside America would violate that intl law just to achieve its own selfish interest.

And how is America a democratic power sir? A country that has terminated democratic regimes around the world and replaced them with dictators. A country that operates a self democracy that only favours its white population. Is that a democracy. Don't be brainwashed.

If US and its allies are serious about international law, America and UK should vacate Chagos-Island and return it back to Mauritius, they have yet to obey that UN order since last year February. America should obey what the intl law says about Israel-Palestine issue, they should bring Saudi Arabia to justice over the killing of jamal khashoggi, let me stop there.

America and its allies should lead by example you don't expect others to obey what you guys are violating.

They have used their western institutions to oppress weaker countries for years now a powerful country like China won't be oppressed that's why they are having problems with China.

You guys would be quick to praise U.S and its western allies without seeing their hypocrisy. Even Daddysidhan who is praising you is an illiterate just like you. You guys should always think critically.

I just want to hug you right now. I feel like crediting your account right now i swear lol. These guys are ignorant of who the real transgressors are. Their mentality had been warped and they will keep aping the US till eternity. Let me put this out there for those who care to know, China has never been involved in a significant war in the last fifty years. Meanwhile, you can't say the same for Uncle Sam.

Openbusiness:
Do you know the most powerful "secret" weapon the Soviets had during WW2 that helped them turn over the war and start winning after an initial string of huge losses? Crypotologic code breakers that were provided by the Allied forces, especially America. America had a special intelligent unit of over 10,000 code breakers that were intercepting and decoding most of the German military communication and instructions from Berlin. They would then send the info to Stalin in Moscow and that was how he started recording major victories in the battle, because they countered all the German offensives and the Germans were stunned wondering how the Soviets knew their every battle plans, at a point they concluded they must be a spy in Germany working against Germany. That was how come America also was able to avoid heavy casualties among their own troops because they knew where to avoid and when and where to strike because they had codebreakers and Germany didn't know their Morse codes were being decoded. So American participation in the war was the tipping point that tipped victory to the side of the allies.

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gtown:

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Openbusiness:
Do you know the most powerful "secret" weapon the Soviets had during WW2 that helped them turn over the war and start winning after an initial string of huge losses? Crypotologic code breakers that were provided by the Allied forces, especially America. America had a special intelligent unit of over 10,000 code breakers that were intercepting and decoding most of the German military communication and instructions from Berlin. They would then send the info to Stalin in Moscow and that was how he started recording major victories in the battle, because they countered all the German offensives and the Germans were stunned wondering how the Soviets knew their every battle plans, at a point they concluded they must be a spy in Germany working against Germany. That was how come America also was able to avoid heavy casualties among their own troops because they knew where to avoid and when and where to strike because they had codebreakers and Germany didn't know their Morse codes were being decoded. So American participation in the war was the tipping point that tipped victory to the side of the allies.

Bro it's so tiring arguing with you like common man. Everyone above admitted it was the soviet union even expert attributed the soviet union as the main force responsible for changing the course of ww2 in Europe and the final defeat of Nazi Germany...
The thing is you quote and post the right history but you still end up with the wrong conclusions.

American and the allied forces entered the war in 1944.. German has started attacking the soviet union since 1941 at their full military might in a military formation that has never occurred in man's history. Soviet union has already defeated and hamper the Germans even before America entered the war so tell me how America are the major force, by the time Americans attack, Germany major forces are on the eastern front trying to slow the soviet progress because they are already retreating.. Germany cannot even muster enough force to resist allied invasion (and that's because of the soviet)..
You mention Morse code interception yes that is true but do you think the Germans also didn't have they surveillance warfare unit (which is even better than the Americans and soviet).
Despite this communication do you know the Germans where able to counter attack the advancing soviet destroying almost a battalion of red army at but couldn't sustain this due to soviet ruthlessness and persistent.
Baba the major force that contributed to the defeat of Nazi Germany is the soviet union, America and others can come later...
Pls before you counter this just go and read ww2 history check what historians has said about this,pls don't just argue blindly.. Thank you.

Openbusiness:
Do you know the most powerful "secret" weapon the Soviets had during WW2 that helped them turn over the war and start winning after an initial string of huge losses? Crypotologic code breakers that were provided by the Allied forces, especially America. America had a special intelligent unit of over 10,000 code breakers that were intercepting and decoding most of the German military communication and instructions from Berlin. They would then send the info to Stalin in Moscow and that was how he started recording major victories in the battle, because they countered all the German offensives and the Germans were stunned wondering how the Soviets knew their every battle plans, at a point they concluded they must be a spy in Germany working against Germany. That was how come America also was able to avoid heavy casualties among their own troops because they knew where to avoid and when and where to strike because they had codebreakers and Germany didn't know their Morse codes were being decoded. So American participation in the war was the tipping point that tipped victory to the side of the allies.

Wait let's remove the impart of the soviet union from war...
So you think the allied forces can defeat Nazi Germany at it's peak force..(you must be joking if you say yes)
Do you think American politician and it's people can withstand the ruthlessness and destruction by the wehrmacht..
Pls let's discourse this:
AMERICA AND ITS ALLIES VS GERMANY AND THE AXIS FORCES... without the impart of the soviet union.

Investnow2017:

Interesting. Who were the organized Christians within up until the 1900s and what were the empires during those times. Keep in mind fervently that the prophecy concerning the 7th empire features prominently during the 'time of the end', and when is this time of the end?

You asked, up till the 1900s. Of course, you believe that the time of the end began in the 1900s. Before responding to this, define what you mean by organised Christians (you keep referring to it since).

Simeonjoe1:

Bro it's so tiring arguing with you like common man. Everyone above admitted it was the soviet union even expert attributed the soviet union as the main force responsible for changing the course of ww2 in Europe and the final defeat of Nazi Germany...
The thing is you quote and post the right history but you still end up with the wrong conclusions.

American and the allied forces entered the war in 1944.. German has started attacking the soviet union since 1941 at their full military might in a military formation that has never occurred in man's history. Soviet union has already defeated and hamper the Germans even before America entered the war so tell me how America are the major force, by the time Americans attack, Germany major forces are on the eastern front trying to slow the soviet progress because they are already retreating.. Germany cannot even muster enough force to resist allied invasion (and that's because of the soviet)..
You mention Morse code interception yes that is true but do you think the Germans also didn't have they surveillance warfare unit (which is even better than the Americans and soviet).
Despite this communication do you know the Germans where able to counter attack the advancing soviet destroying almost a battalion of red army at but couldn't sustain this due to soviet ruthlessness and persistent.
Baba the major force that contributed to the defeat of Nazi Germany is the soviet union, America and others can come later...
Pls before you counter this just go and read ww2 history check what historians has said about this,pls don't just argue blindly.. Thank you.

He doesn't understand that America was even reluctant to enter WW2 because she was still recovering from the economic crisis of the great depression but after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour things changed America announced its entry into WW2 and America spent more time in the pacific theatre than in Europe. During WW2 America concentrated all its energy in the Asia pacific fighting Japanese expansionism.

America entered European theatre late and the Soviets had already done the job for Europe by weakening Nazi Germany but American apologists won't see this. This love for America is something else they are always thinking America is the master of all things. That was how someone was arguing with me that America rescued China when history says that it was the Communist forces led by Mao Zedong that routed imperial Japanese troops out of China.

Simeonjoe1:


Wait let's remove the impart of the soviet union from war...
So you think the allied forces can defeat Nazi Germany at it's peak force..(you must be joking if you say yes)
Do you think American politician and it's people can withstand the ruthlessness and destruction by the wehrmacht..
Pls let's discourse this:
AMERICA AND ITS ALLIES VS GERMANY AND THE AXIS FORCES... without the impart of the soviet union.

The Soviet Union majorly contributed LIVES or MANPOWER, which prolonged the war in favor of the Alliance (USA + Britain + Soviet Union). It was this alliance that defeated Germany. Ok, when we consider it as an equation, so far I said that:
(Britain + Soviet Union) - USA VS Germany = Defeat
Now you bring a very interesting and very intelligent theory which is:
(USA + Britain) - Soviet Union VS Germany = ?
If you examine the general situation and the entire picture then you will see that it will equal VICTORY because, America was the deciding factor in that war.

(USA + Britain) - Soviet Union VS Germany = Victory
And;
USA - (Britain + Soviet Union) VS Germany = Victory

Only America had the military capacity and technology to defeat Germany. Before you brush me off. Let me explain better:


Initially, America participation was handicapped by internal politics. As at the time the war started Roosevelt already made a declaration that America would be neutral in the war. They wanted to avoid being dragged into the war like WW1, and they had a treaty in place with Germany from WW1 etc. So America didn't want to fight that war initially. The aim was to sit it out, even though Roosevelt argued that it was not in America's interest to have to face a German Europe alone, Congress didn't want an involvement in the war, neither did the American people and elections was around the corner. So it would have been political suicide if Roosevelt acted unilaterally and pushed USA to war without congressional approval. Knowing how WW1 played out and how it was USA involvement that caused their loss, Hitler's Germany wanted to avoid the mistakes of the first world war and made a pact or treaty with Mussolini Italy and the Emperor Japan to form an allied power bloc and Germany declared that by reason of the treaty an attack on any of them by America is an attack on the 3 and Germany would declare war against America. The Japanese made Hitler to promise them that if America attacks Japan, Germany would support them to fight a war against America. Hitler agreed. But Japan and Germany were dishonest and it was that dishonesty that was the beginning their problem. Germany was planning to attack Europe and take over but Hitler never told the Japanese about this plan. The Japanese were planning to attack USA but the Japanese never told Hitler of this plan. The agreement they made with Hitler was that Germany will declare war against America if "America attacks Japan" first, not Japan attacking America first. Hitler made the treaty as a deterrent to make America to avoid going to war with Japan. On the side of Germany, Hitler never told the Japanese he wanted to attack Europe and take over. Had the Japanese known this they would have had a rethink with their alliance and making an attack on USA. This was where the real problem started. Japan thought, if I attack USA, Italy + Germany will come and join and they will defeat America. They didn't know Hitler will be busy fighting his own war. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hitler was surprised, the arrangement was if America attack Japan, not the other way around but none the less, Hitler honored the agreement and declared war against America. But it was the same time that Hitler moved to attack Europe, and the Japanese were surprised because a war in Europe meant that Japan was going to be fighting America alone and the support they were getting was on paper. Hitler was busy with his mission and war in Europe and Italy was supporting that. So Japan was alone to face America. And they were defeated. As for Europe, they were no match for Germany and the war would have prolonged but Germany would have won eventually. Britain did NOT have the military capacity to win or withstand a continuous attack. It was America that supplied then with weapons, ships, equipment etc till the point Britain was broke, no money to pay for supplies again and Churchill was begging Roosevelt to supply them for free as a humanitarian help. But Roosevelt said no, because he knew Congress and the people won't accept such deal and it will backfire on his head. So Roosevelt told Britain if they want to continue receiving military supplies without money, they have to free and lease some of their external territories to America for many years, to be used as US military bases. Churchill and Britain agreed but they were angry about it. They called it one of the most cruel acts in the war of an ally towards an ally. But that was the only deal Roosevelt knew Congress would support, as a means for military expansion, and that idea worked. Later USA got involved directly and helped them with critical military aspects like intelligence gathering, weapons etc that changed the game and direction of the war. Because when the war started, Hitler successes was tremendous on both sides, they were beating Britain and Soviets in initial battles. One thing you fail to realize is that at the time America defeated Japan, they had the ultimate weapon in this world that no other country had. America had developed the nuclear bomb and they used it to make the Japanese surrender. No other country had this capacity. Only USA did. The Germans were trying to build it, but they did not have the scientists who could pull it off. People like Einstein etc were in America and working for America. The most brilliant scientists that understood Nuclear technology had been hijacked or had voluntarily escaped their way to support America. So at that time, America was the most advanced military in the world. Without the numbers or manpower from the Soviets, Britain would have had a lot of casualties but America would still be the game changer that will win the war for them, because if it got to a critical stage, America would have dropped the same Nuclear bomb they used to subdue Japan and dropped it on the Germans. So Germany would have lost because of America. One on one, Germany vs USA, they would have still lost. America was the game changer in WW2. They won it for the allies in WW1 and their input in WW2 also won it.

dermmy:


He doesn't understand that America was even reluctant to enter WW2 because she was still recovering from the economic crisis of the great depression but after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour things changed America announced its entry into WW2 and America spent more time in the pacific theatre than in Europe. During WW2 America concentrated all its energy in the Asia pacific fighting Japanese expansionism.

America entered European theatre late and the Soviets had already done the job for Europe by weakening Nazi Germany but American apologists won't see this. This love for America is something else they are always thinking America is the master of all things. That was how someone was arguing with me that America rescued China when history says that it was the Communist forces led by Mao Zedong that routed imperial Japanese troops out of China.

Like man the dude is not just getting it, thinking everything started and ended with America.. Like on a 1 and 1, military might to might can the almighty America withstand the wehrnacht..
The guy is severely undermining the soviet union actions..

Openbusiness:
The Soviet Union majorly contributed LIVES or MANPOWER, which prolonged the war in favor of the Alliance (USA + Britain + Soviet Union). It was this alliance that defeated Germany. Ok, when we consider it as an equation, so far I said that:
(Britain + Soviet Union) - USA VS Germany = Defeat
Now you bring a very interesting and very intelligent theory which is:
(USA + Britain) - Soviet Union VS Germany = ?
If you examine the general situation and the entire picture then you will see that it will equal VICTORY because, America was the deciding factor in that war.

(USA + Britain) - Soviet Union VS Germany = Victory
And;
USA - (Britain + Soviet Union) VS Germany = Victory

Only America had the military capacity and technology to defeat Germany. Before you brush me off. Let me explain better:


Initially, America participation was handicapped by internal politics. As at the time the war started Roosevelt already made a declaration that America would be neutral in the war. They wanted to avoid being dragged into the war like WW1, and they had a treaty in place with Germany from WW1 etc. So America didn't want to fight that war initially. The aim was to sit it out, even though Roosevelt argued that it was not in America's interest to have to face a German Europe alone, Congress didn't want an involvement in the war, neither did the American people and elections was around the corner. So it would have been political suicide if Roosevelt acted unilaterally and pushed USA to war without congressional approval. Knowing how WW1 played out and how it was USA involvement that caused their loss, Hitler's Germany wanted to avoid the mistakes of the first world war and made a pact or treaty with Mussolini Italy and the Emperor Japan to form an allied power bloc and Germany declared that by reason of the treaty an attack on any of them by America is an attack on the 3 and Germany would declare war against America. The Japanese made Hitler to promise them that if America attacks Japan, Germany would support them to fight a war against America. Hitler agreed. But Japan and Germany were dishonest and it was that dishonesty that was the beginning their problem. Germany was planning to attack Europe and take over but Hitler never told the Japanese about this plan. The Japanese were planning to attack USA but the Japanese never told Hitler of this plan. The agreement they made with Hitler was that Germany will declare war against America if "America attacks Japan" first, not Japan attacking America first. Hitler made the treaty as a deterrent to make America to avoid going to war with Japan. On the side of Germany, Hitler never told the Japanese he wanted to attack Europe and take over. Had the Japanese known this they would have had a rethink with their alliance and making an attack on USA. This was where the real problem started. Japan thought, if I attack USA, Italy + Germany will come and join and they will defeat America. They didn't know Hitler will be busy fighting his own war. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hitler was surprised, the arrangement was if America attack Japan, not the other way around but none the less, Hitler honored the agreement and declared war against America. But it was the same time that Hitler moved to attack Europe, and the Japanese were surprised because a war in Europe meant that Japan was going to be fighting America alone and the support they were getting was on paper. Hitler was busy with his mission and war in Europe and Italy was supporting that. So Japan was alone to face America. And they were defeated. As for Europe, they were no match for Germany and the war would have prolonged but Germany would have won eventually. Britain did NOT have the military capacity to win or withstand a continuous attack. It was America that supplied then with weapons, ships, equipment etc till the point Britain was broke, no money to pay for supplies again and Churchill was begging Roosevelt to supply them for free as a humanitarian help. But Roosevelt said no, because he knew Congress and the people won't accept such deal and it will backfire on his head. So Roosevelt told Britain if they want to continue receiving military supplies without money, they have to free and lease some of their external territories to America for many years, to be used as US military bases. Churchill and Britain agreed but they were angry about it. They called it one of the most cruel acts in the war of an ally towards an ally. But that was the only deal Roosevelt knew Congress would support, as a means for military expansion, and that idea worked. Later USA got involved directly and helped them with critical military aspects like intelligence gathering, weapons etc that changed the game and direction of the war. Because when the war started, Hitler successes was tremendous on both sides, they were beating Britain and Soviets in initial battles. One thing you fail to realize is that at the time America defeated Japan, they had the ultimate weapon in this world that no other country had. America had developed the nuclear bomb and they used it to make the Japanese surrender. No other country had this capacity. Only USA did. The Germans were trying to build it, but they did not have the scientists who could pull it off. People like Einstein etc were in America and working for America. The most brilliant scientists that understood Nuclear technology had been hijacked or had voluntarily escaped their way to support America. So at that time, America was the most advanced military in the world. Without the numbers or manpower from the Soviets, Britain would have had a lot of casualties but America would still be the game changer that will win the war for them, because if it got to a critical stage, America would have dropped the same Nuclear bomb they used to subdue Japan and dropped it on the Germans. So Germany would have lost because of America. One on one, Germany vs USA, they would have still lost. America was the game changer in WW2. They won it for the allies in WW1 and their input in WW2 also won it.

Baba Aswear all this thing may you dey yarn na just long talk... you just dey shift goal post.
Guy we are not interested in what started the way, how politics plays or any treaty between Germany and America.
The question we are arguing is who is the major force leading to the defeat of nazi Germany, America or the soviet union?
Facts has shown it was the soviet union but you are just blabbing about.
Even the nuke you mentioned play no role in German defeat, America first used and announced the nuclear bomb in August 1945.
Germany has already surrendered 4 month ago and they didn't even have an idea on the America super weapon... So nukes didn't play any role in the outcome of the European theater...
Even the nuke advantage that America has didn't last as even the soviet developed theirs few years later...
Man no long talk just admit that the soviet union are the main force responsible for the turn around of ww2 in Europe and majorly contributed to the destruction of the wehrmacht...

rottennaija:


You asked, up till the 1900s. Of course, you believe that the time of the end began in the 1900s. Before responding to this, define what you mean by organised Christians (you keep referring to it since).

You are making the discussion entirely lopsided. I have asked a number of questions none of which you have answered, then you keep asking and wanting to receive an answer. Please to proceed, kindly answer my questions. Meaningful discussion is a give and take. I am not persuaded to accept that you do not understand what an organized body means. I have a feeling you do not want to open up. That you accept that the last days began in the 1900s, i am satisfied that i have made a significant point.
See, all these i have carefully researched and i could not but come to the irrefutable conclusion that God has always had his people, at times they are disorganized, most times they are organized, all this in keeping with the actualization of his purpose. The Scriptures say you can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.
Jesus Christ left his followers in no doubt as to the identity of his true followers. God's true worshippers must be engaged in the preaching of the gospel or good news about the Kingdom, Matthew 24:14; they must be identified by the love among them irrespective of race, John 13:34,35, colour or tongue, they must be no part of the world, John 17
Ask yourself, which Organization on earth meets these requirements. Let us begin from there.

Investnow2017:

You are making the discussion entirely lopsided. I have asked a number of questions none of which you have answered, then you keep asking and wanting to receive an answer. Please to proceed, kindly answer my questions. Meaningful discussion is a give and take. I am not persuaded to accept that you do not understand what an organized body means. I have a feeling you do not want to open up. That you accept that the last days began in the 1900s, i am satisfied that i have made a significant point.
See, all these i have carefully researched and i could not but come to the irrefutable conclusion that God has always had his people, at times they are disorganized, most times they are organized, all this in keeping with the actualization of his purpose. The Scriptures say you can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.
Jesus Christ left his followers in no doubt as to the identity of his true followers. God's true worshippers must be engaged in the preaching of the gospel or good news about the Kingdom, Matthew 24:14; they must be identified by the love among them irrespective of race, John 13:34,35, colour or tongue, they must be no part of the world, John 17
Ask yourself, which Organization on earth meets these requirements. Let us begin from there.

Hmmm

I don't think I'm the one making discussion one sided here. I'm trying to arrive at the reason behind a period of 2000 years vacuum (when obviously empires rise and fall) and they had been Christians throughout such time in their millions.

I do not agree with you that the last days began in the 1900s. I mentioned that I know you believe it did, not an agreement, so you have nothing to be satisfied about. The last days began from the first century, the apostle Peter made it quite clear (2 Pe 3:3-4)

Now, that's aside that in every century, each people living during such time refer to their time as the last days.

Speaking of identity of Jesus followers, every group claims to be one and true followers of Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Days Advent, Church of Christ, etc the list goes on. Interestingly, each of these groups have love among themselves, preach, pray among others. They are basically organised religion. However, the JWs, the advent, Mormons and some others had their rise in around the 1900s and these would always claim theirs is the way, God's chosen people and condemn others.

But these above are deviations from what we were talking about. You kept referring to organised Christians. Obviously, you have accepted that they were also scattered at some point, but God has always had his people on earth. So, how do you define what you mean by organised people?

Secondly, I asked, why is there a period of about 2000 years gap in the listing of these Kings? If you understand where I'm coming from, it sounds and even appears funny, even self-serving. It's like someone is directly bending the prophecies to fit they structure. Because based on the number of true Christians over the period of 2000 years under consideration, and the fact that there had always been great empires that rose and fell and had dealings with Christians, then why such a dark omissions? (unless you want to go by the impression that they where no one worshiping God during these times, in that case, Jesus words in Mt 24 :28 would be meaningless.)

These are my concerns.... Hope you can patiently address them.

Openbusiness:
The Soviet Union majorly contributed LIVES or MANPOWER, which prolonged the war in favor of the Alliance (USA + Britain + Soviet Union). It was this alliance that defeated Germany. Ok, when we consider it as an equation, so far I said that:
(Britain + Soviet Union) - USA VS Germany = Defeat
Now you bring a very interesting and very intelligent theory which is:
(USA + Britain) - Soviet Union VS Germany = ?
If you examine the general situation and the entire picture then you will see that it will equal VICTORY because, America was the deciding factor in that war.

(USA + Britain) - Soviet Union VS Germany = Victory
And;
USA - (Britain + Soviet Union) VS Germany = Victory

Only America had the military capacity and technology to defeat Germany. Before you brush me off. Let me explain better:


Initially, America participation was handicapped by internal politics. As at the time the war started Roosevelt already made a declaration that America would be neutral in the war. They wanted to avoid being dragged into the war like WW1, and they had a treaty in place with Germany from WW1 etc. So America didn't want to fight that war initially. The aim was to sit it out, even though Roosevelt argued that it was not in America's interest to have to face a German Europe alone, Congress didn't want an involvement in the war, neither did the American people and elections was around the corner. So it would have been political suicide if Roosevelt acted unilaterally and pushed USA to war without congressional approval. Knowing how WW1 played out and how it was USA involvement that caused their loss, Hitler's Germany wanted to avoid the mistakes of the first world war and made a pact or treaty with Mussolini Italy and the Emperor Japan to form an allied power bloc and Germany declared that by reason of the treaty an attack on any of them by America is an attack on the 3 and Germany would declare war against America. The Japanese made Hitler to promise them that if America attacks Japan, Germany would support them to fight a war against America. Hitler agreed. But Japan and Germany were dishonest and it was that dishonesty that was the beginning their problem. Germany was planning to attack Europe and take over but Hitler never told the Japanese about this plan. The Japanese were planning to attack USA but the Japanese never told Hitler of this plan. The agreement they made with Hitler was that Germany will declare war against America if "America attacks Japan" first, not Japan attacking America first. Hitler made the treaty as a deterrent to make America to avoid going to war with Japan. On the side of Germany, Hitler never told the Japanese he wanted to attack Europe and take over. Had the Japanese known this they would have had a rethink with their alliance and making an attack on USA. This was where the real problem started. Japan thought, if I attack USA, Italy + Germany will come and join and they will defeat America. They didn't know Hitler will be busy fighting his own war. When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, Hitler was surprised, the arrangement was if America attack Japan, not the other way around but none the less, Hitler honored the agreement and declared war against America. But it was the same time that Hitler moved to attack Europe, and the Japanese were surprised because a war in Europe meant that Japan was going to be fighting America alone and the support they were getting was on paper. Hitler was busy with his mission and war in Europe and Italy was supporting that. So Japan was alone to face America. And they were defeated. As for Europe, they were no match for Germany and the war would have prolonged but Germany would have won eventually. Britain did NOT have the military capacity to win or withstand a continuous attack. It was America that supplied then with weapons, ships, equipment etc till the point Britain was broke, no money to pay for supplies again and Churchill was begging Roosevelt to supply them for free as a humanitarian help. But Roosevelt said no, because he knew Congress and the people won't accept such deal and it will backfire on his head. So Roosevelt told Britain if they want to continue receiving military supplies without money, they have to free and lease some of their external territories to America for many years, to be used as US military bases. Churchill and Britain agreed but they were angry about it. They called it one of the most cruel acts in the war of an ally towards an ally. But that was the only deal Roosevelt knew Congress would support, as a means for military expansion, and that idea worked. Later USA got involved directly and helped them with critical military aspects like intelligence gathering, weapons etc that changed the game and direction of the war. Because when the war started, Hitler successes was tremendous on both sides, they were beating Britain and Soviets in initial battles. One thing you fail to realize is that at the time America defeated Japan, they had the ultimate weapon in this world that no other country had. America had developed the nuclear bomb and they used it to make the Japanese surrender. No other country had this capacity. Only USA did. The Germans were trying to build it, but they did not have the scientists who could pull it off. People like Einstein etc were in America and working for America. The most brilliant scientists that understood Nuclear technology had been hijacked or had voluntarily escaped their way to support America. So at that time, America was the most advanced military in the world. Without the numbers or manpower from the Soviets, Britain would have had a lot of casualties but America would still be the game changer that will win the war for them, because if it got to a critical stage, America would have dropped the same Nuclear bomb they used to subdue Japan and dropped it on the Germans. So Germany would have lost because of America. One on one, Germany vs USA, they would have still lost. America was the game changer in WW2. They won it for the allies in WW1 and their input in WW2 also won it.

Baba all these you mentioned are just speculations, the real fact according to history and historians credits the soviet union as the main force that caused Nazi defeat.

Even your speculations is flawed so you thinks America military can defeat German military (lol seems you underestimated the wahrmacht efficiency)
Do you know that German military outclassed its American counterpart in times of advance weapons on different platform (from better planes to better naval assets and even better armor tanks). The Germans has better battle strategies and well organized formations than America. The have better trained and well disciplined soldiers than Americans.. In every ramifications the Germans are way better...
So tell me how America will defeat Germany alone.

rottennaija:


Could have? With what evidence?

Is Russia as wealthy as US OR CHINA? CHECK THE LARGEST ECONOMIES RUSSIA IS BEHIND THOSE

rottennaija:


Hmmm

I don't think I'm the one making discussion one sided here. I'm trying to arrive at the reason behind a period of 2000 years vacuum (when obviously empires rise and fall) and they had been Christians throughout such time in their millions.

I do not agree with you that the last days began in the 1900s. I mentioned that I know you believe it did, not an agreement, so you have nothing to be satisfied about. The last days began from the first century, the apostle Peter made it quite clear (2 Pe 3:3-4)

Now, that's aside that in every century, each people living during such time refer to their time as the last days.

Speaking of identity of Jesus followers, every group claims to be one and true followers of Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Days Advent, Church of Christ, etc the list goes on. Interestingly, each of these groups have love among themselves, preach, pray among others. They are basically organised religion. However, the JWs, the advent, Mormons and some others had their rise in around the 1900s and these would always claim theirs is the way, God's chosen people and condemn others.

But these above are deviations from what we were talking about. You kept referring to organised Christians. Obviously, you have accepted that they were also scattered at some point, but God has always had his people on earth. So, how do you define what you mean by organised people?

Secondly, I asked, why is there a period of about 2000 years gap in the listing of these Kings? If you understand where I'm coming from, it sounds and even appears funny, even self-serving. It's like someone is directly bending the prophecies to fit they structure. Because based on the number of true Christians over the period of 2000 years under consideration, and the fact that there had always been great empires that rose and fell and had dealings with Christians, then why such a dark omissions? (unless you want to go by the impression that they where no one worshiping God during these times, in that case, Jesus words in Mt 24 :28 would be meaningless.)

These are my concerns.... Hope you can patiently address them.

I see. Why do you believe the last days started in the first century, if i may quickly ask please.

Investnow2017:

I see. Why do you believe the last days started in the first century, if i may quickly ask please.

Because the bible said so.

The Acts 2:16 No, what you see this morning was predicted centuries ago by the prophet Joel:

The Acts 2:17 'In the last days, God said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

rottennaija:

Because the bible said so.

The Acts 2:16 No, what you see this morning was predicted centuries ago by the prophet Joel:

The Acts 2:17 'In the last days, God said, I will pour out my Spirit upon all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams.

Ok let us keep that aside, although history confirms that Peter though was referring to the last days of the Jewish system which actually ended in 70CE with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans thus ending the Jewish system built around the Mosaic law. With the genealogical records destroyed and the temple completely burnt, the jewish system of worship and the identity of individual jews vanished. Jerusalem after that destruction was left desolate until 130CE when Constantine brought in a corrupted form of Christianity before these too were flushed away by the new religion built around Mohammed and then the crusaders before Britain the empire that took over from Rome was given mandate to take over Palestine from Turkey before the birth of the current state of Israel on May 20 1948. Secular and Ecclesiastical histories are clear on that matter.
Now back to the 2000 years, Remember the roman empire ruled for nearly 1,000 years before it litered into pieces from which 4 strong nations: The Netherlands, Spain, France and Britain emerged of which Britain became the most prominent becoming the new empire so great as to engulf almost the entire inhabited earth. So the 2,000 years you are referring to never was blank or ignored by history. After the Roman empire, next was the British empire from which America sprang up to form the Anglo-America empire of today described in Revelation as a beast having two horns signifying dual rulership.
Or do you have a different idea of the times 2000 years back?
The last days mentioned by Jesus Christ is all inclusive to refer to the end of this system of things under the hegemony of Satan before the emergence of his millennial reign. The Bible refers to this time "as a short period of time". Read Rev 12:12. So beginning from Christ's enthronement in heaven as king and the hauling of Satan to the earth whose anger led to the outbreak of the first World War in 1914 until the end of satan's system is the last days that Jesus referred to at Matthew 24.
Joel's reference to the last days is in connection with the Jewish system of things which Peter confirmed just a few years before it ended in 70CE.

PerfectlyPerfect:

Very silly comment. Go and do your own research, you'll find out that covid19 right originate in China

Phool! Read my comment again. My comment abt the Covid19 was aimed at China.

dermmy:


But America that had it was still defeated by a small country like North-Vietnam so what went wrong?

It's not entirely true. In military terms Vietnam was a win but it was the biggest political loss. There was no cause or purpose for the war talk more of continuing...