ehinmowo:


This is the difference between Nairaland and Quora. People just vomit what they have little or no knowledge about. Unfortunately, over 100 people liked this. What do you know about the disputed territory? How many countries do you think have right to it? What are the extant international rules concerning international waters and territories?

Investnow2017:

THE MOST BRILLIANT CONTRIBUTION TO THIS DISCUSSION EVER. Very mature and balanced. Thank you sir. For me, this is the summary of it all. You are a very keen observer of global happenings.

RTSC:

I doubt that.

The US beats China in numbers.

seanwilliam:




You're 100% correct.. no matter the area or strategy or weapon use in fighting, America will win but would suffer great casualties too

Simeonjoe1:


More sense for you boss, they think it's by casualties you measure victory in war.
German lost ww2 even with far fewer casualties. Even the soviet union that defeat Germany has about 5x the casualties.
You winning a war is about the objectives not the casualty (learn from the soviet union)

dermmy:


Lolz. By thier analysis we shall know them.

Now hear this, victory is not about the number of people you have bombed or killed it is not even measured by the number of destruction you've caused but by the number of your strategic gains and missions accomplished and your objectives for entering the war. We all knows war destroys lives and one side would always suffer more casualty than the other. But did America achieved its objectives? Capital NO

America entered the Vietnam war because they wanted to stop North Vietnam from unifying the South under Communism which they failed to achieve, America withdrew and the North still unified the South under communism to this day.

O yea America used its superior air power to bomb them indiscriminately which is an act of cowardice but for that small and ill equipped country to kill over 58k american troops, shoot down over 10k American aircraft and still expelled America out of their country remains one of the greatest military victories of the 20th century if not the greatest.

The Vietnamese were ready to continue fighting they were very determined to expel the invader and unify their country which the imperialists parted into two. America didn't plan to fight a prolonged war with the Viets but the vietnamese made sure they allow the war to drag on for years they matched U.S escalation for escalation and chased the invaders away.

You have been doing some funny analysis since but this latest one just weak me o.

Simeonjoe1:
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Nice analysis but know this
Even the GMD missile defense (America main defense system) has a success rate of between 40-50%.
Currently even US and Russia has acknowledged that there's no missile defense that can complete defend against barrage of attack (we are talking of multiple simultaneously strikes which mostly consist of decoys).
The iron dome is effective no doubt but it still lack 100% intercept rate.
You intercepting an icbm is possible due to different interconnected networking sensors at different battle stations what happened when one is compromised (as enemy will try to offset this majorly through electronic attacks)
Currently now the US has not perfected its intercept on adversary missiles in fact Russia claim to possess icbm (like the Satan icbm) that posses decoy and can fool missile defense.

The Russia has missile above Mach 4+ (brahamos 3+ and the new brahamosII 7+ under development)
Icbm travels many times speed of sounds some Mach 20+ and are worst to intercept during their terminal stage especially with detaching multiple warheads.
Most test the US conduct with their missile test is usually a one on one scenario in a controlled environment. But in actual combat your enemy is not a full to just throw one missile your way the more they launch the more survivable they are are against intercept.
Currently the US do not have any defense against Russia and Chinese hypersonic missiles which can be fitted with nuclear warhead and can attack anywhere in America.

Yes the US are planning the Sr 72 for missiles intercept but it's not ideal to use an aircraft to intercept an ICBM because you'll have to destroy it at its boost/initial stage before it escape the atmosphere which means you'll have to travel into adversary airspace. Also at their mid course face they travel in space and many times at the speed of sound which make them impossible to be intercepted by a plane.
Also the doctrine, sophistication, logistics and cost of using a plane for intercept is out of it (check why America cancel the boeling YAL1)
Currently now intercepting an ICBM is more complex than as it is in paper.. Only in actual combat can we know its effectiveness.
America fighter planes has anti missile systems and decoys but yet they are still shot down sometimes by even obsolete and outdated SAM, does that means it's not effective? No because combat is more complex than what's promised on paper.

So for now we can't rule the effectiveness of air defense systems against ICBM and also the survivability of an ICBM except they are both tested in real combat and complex environments where they are at their stressing point.
For now just as America as claimed to counter opponent missiles,Russia and China had also claimed to have missiles that can fool these missile defenses.... So it's all about the CLAIM from both sides hence a PAPER TIGER

YES US are also developing hypersonic missiles but currently they have not deployed any yet(if they have, show me with fact the ones they posses) , if we should go according to the claims, Russia and China beat the US to be the first to own hypersonic weapon currently.

Simeonjoe1:

LOL just 60000? I laugh do you know that JUST causes a series of protest and riot in the US which is a cascade to the end of the Vietnam War... America can't avoid to lose millions in a war, the America people will not accept especially if its a self induced political war.

Simeonjoe1:


More sense for you boss, they think it's by casualties you measure victory in war.
German lost ww2 even with far fewer casualties. Even the soviet union that defeat Germany has about 5x the casualties.
You winning a war is about the objectives not the casualty (learn from the soviet union)

rottennaija:


Then going by that, the US cannot be the 7th world power since it is known that they had been world powers between the time Rome was super power and the beginning of the 1900s.

Also, history shows that they had been loyal and faithful Christian in their millions over the period too.

DapperGuy:


The U.S. Navy has the most ships by far of any navy worldwide. It also has the greatest diversity of missions and the largest area of responsibility.

No other navy has the global reach of the U.S. Navy, which regularly operates in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans, as well as the Mediterranean, Persian Gulf and the Horn of Africa. The U.S. Navy also forward deploys ships to Japan, Europe and the Persian Gulf.

The U.S. Navy has 288 battle force ships, of which typically a third are underway at any given time. The U.S. Navy has 10 aircraft carriers, nine amphibious assault ships, 22 cruisers, 62 destroyers, 17 frigates and 72 submarines. In addition to ships, the U.S. Navy has 3,700 aircraft, making it the second largest air force in the world. At 323,000 active and 109,000 personnel, it is also the largest navy in terms of manpower.

Culled from Yahoo News

Usually, Navies don't operate large amounts of aircraft, but the US navy has enough aircraft that it can go into combat with any other Airforce in the world, except the United States Airforce, and win. I'm other words, the US Navy, without the assistance of the US Airforce, can take on the Russian or Chinese Airforce and Navy at the same time.

If war were to break out in the South China Sea, the US Navy won't need the assistance of the US Airforce because they can take on the Chinese Navy & Airforce.

Openbusiness:
You still don't get it. War is measured by casualties and damage caused. America was the tipping point for the WW2 victory. Germany was pounding the Soviet Union badly, dealing them heavy blows of defeat battle after battle after battle. Their troop's morale was at an all time low, and it is documented that Soviet troops started fleeing from German forces. Germany was well positioned to win that war. They had the means to do it, they were more advanced than the Soviets. Remember, it was Germany that invaded the Soviet Union. And they fought their way up to the point the were about to conquer Moscow for the final battle. In fact, the final battle where the turn around started, Berlin was already marching troops towards Moscow, the Soviet capital. At that period, America was busy fighting with Japan, and the support they had been providing for Europe was funding and weapons and logistics, they had not began bombing Hitler. It was after they defeated the Japanese, that they started flying troops and war planes to aid Europe to defeat Hitler. America bombed Hitler to defeat. He couldn't cope fighting the American reinforcements on one side and fighting the Soviets on the other end. That was the turning point of the battle that saved The Soviet Union. If Japan had kept the USA busy a little while longer, The Soviet Union would have fallen to Hitler. That's why the Soviet Union had huge casualties compared to Germany. They wey losing the war. America saved them. The Soviet Union was no match for Germany. This is the fact of the war. So casualties matter. A weaker side can never inflict greater damage or casualties on the stronger side. Which war does that happen? The Soviet Union was just lucky for the timely intervention of America. America saved Britain and the Soviet Union.

dermmy:


Yes countries in the region have overlapping claims to the resource rich South China sea but look at the way China is sorrounded by U.S military bases in that region a country who cares about its security would be alarmed about that and please don't expect China not to take some countermeasures against that. And please don't tell me about international rules America and its allies have violated it hundred times over. If China would violate that intl law just to defend itself from a bully called America it is welcomed.

If America didn't have China surrounded with bases may be China wouldn't have gone this way. Please always look at the reasons why nations behave the way they do. Now America keeps violating their Air Defence Identification Zone and you want them to keep quiet? America should stop causing trouble with its world police crap cause no body made her a world policeman.

I should be asking you what you know about the disputed territory. Keep scrolling you'll see more of my posts.

dermmy:


don't mind the guy he is talking of America killing over 2million vietnamese was it not indiscriminate killing? America bombers would fly over civilian population and start dropping bombs, napalms. Isn't that war crime? Isn't that cowardice? American troops would even fire at those harvesting rice from their rice paddies cause the viets love cultivating rice . American troops raped beautiful vietnamese girls, killed infants, young and old. we know of the Mylai Massacre and so many other war crimes on innocent civilians all in the name of teaching the innocent vietnamese a lesson.

American troops were even scared of facing the viet congs at a time because these guys were so evasive in their fighting tactics. Openbusiness is just living on propaganda. I would have recommend books for him but he won't read them.

Investnow2017:

No, you are swaying from the line of discussion slowly. Look, the angel was very clear to Daniel while explaining the prophetic meaning of the dream of an immense image, the head being of gold, chest of silver, etc as meaning Babylon, Medo-Persia down to Greece and Rome. The beasts the Daniel saw as recorded at chapter 7 also fit into this pattern of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome undeniably. Do you agree? If you do not, i would like to know your interpretation of the image in Daniel's dream, because the angel made it clear that in this time of the end the prophecy will be understood. We learn everyday. You should be able to bring forth an alternative prophetic pattern to fit into these line of the march of world empires that had impact on God's people as being Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the Anglo-America. I await your response.

Simeonjoe1:


I agree with your submission but not totally..
Yes Germany can't fight a war on two front..
But the turning point against Moscow is due to their resilience and change in tactics also the error and arrogance of Hitler (especially at the persistent battle of stalingrad). PLS GIVE CREDIT TO WHO IT IS DUE, THE SOVIET UNION UNDER JOSEPH STALIN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TURNING POINT IN THE BATTLE OF MOSCOW DUE TO THE WAR OF ATTRITION WHICH THE GERMAN CAN'T SUSTAIN FOR LONG.. Also due to complicated logistics and high casualties on the German sides.. YES THE USA ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO DEFEAT AND WITHDRAW OF HITLERS ARMY BUT THE MAIN CREDIT SHOULD GO TO THE SOVIET UNION AND NOT AMERICA. the soviet union single handedly changed the course of the war in the European front....

Daum:



The US has so many things up her sleeves we will never know. There is a new bomb they are using now in the middle east that people nickname the ninja bomb because it works like a kinifr killing targets without much effect on the surrounding. This has been in their war chest since way back 2011, but they started using it few years ago. The US does not sell F-2 jets. The US sells what she has already developed something better for. Na wetin dem announce, we go know.

Simeonjoe1:


I agree with your submission but not totally..
Yes Germany can't fight a war on two front..
But the turning point against Moscow is due to their resilience and change in tactics also the error and arrogance of Hitler (especially at the persistent battle of stalingrad). PLS GIVE CREDIT TO WHO IT IS DUE, THE SOVIET UNION UNDER JOSEPH STALIN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TURNING POINT IN THE BATTLE OF MOSCOW DUE TO THE WAR OF ATTRITION WHICH THE GERMAN CAN'T SUSTAIN FOR LONG.. Also due to complicated logistics and high casualties on the German sides.. YES THE USA ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO DEFEAT AND WITHDRAW OF HITLERS ARMY BUT THE MAIN CREDIT SHOULD GO TO THE SOVIET UNION AND NOT AMERICA. the soviet union single handedly changed the course of the war in the European front....

Daum:



The US has so many things up her sleeves we will never know. There is a new bomb they are using now in the middle east that people nickname the ninja bomb because it works like a kinifr killing targets without much effect on the surrounding. This has been in their war chest since way back 2011, but they started using it few years ago. The US does not sell F-2 jets. The US sells what she has already developed something better for. Na wetin dem announce, we go know.

rottennaija:


Straying from which point? You have listed world powers from the time of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the Anglo-America.

Now, between the time of Rome and Anglo-America, about 2000 years had elapsed. You have agreed with me that they had been super powers in between these period.

And now, my question to you is, why are these ones ignored? I asked this because going the first 6, they were successions, one after the other.

Now, why is it that after the 6th (Rome), other world power that succeed Rome and the one after them, like that until the 1900 are ignored? Don't forget, the Anglo-America world power came around the 1900s.

You claimed that there were no Christians organized in the way of the first century so that the world powers that succeeded Rome had dealing with them. Where are your facts? Because history shows that they had been faithful Christians in their millions?

Openbusiness:
You underestimate the American Spirit and their thirst for freedom. Do you know how many British soldiers who were on the British colony in the New World that died because they wanted to be free from their own government oppression? Go read and learn about American history very well. They were formerly British citizens living in the Colony of the Red Apache Indian territory, which was the New World that had just been discovered. The British conquered the Apache Indians and set up their Colony there. And you had British soldiers and citizens living there. It was this same people that would later revolt against British government and its Queen and declare a new Country called America all because of TEA TAX. They fought against their own Government that send reinforcements to and reclaim and take over the colonies back. Thousands of them died and they killed tens of thousands of British forces. At the end, the British backed off and let them have their new country America. It was the former colonies that made up the States that form America and they got some states from the French and Mexicans. It is upon this spirit of freedom that nation was forged, their Constitution was forged. When you understand this, you will understand the power of American unity, once they unite, nobody can defeat them. All that internal fighting, just let any external enemy attack them and give them a reason to unite and put aside their difference and then you will see the mighty dragon rise from the Ocean that swallows other countries for breakfast. Don't ever say or think America can't stand to have casualties. They will endure it if there is a cause they are fighting for. They do not joke with their freedom, they are ready to die because of it. When Osama bombed America with hijacked planes. And the Bush Government blamed Saddam Hussein for it, did Americans not support the invasion and toppling of Saddam? Did they not support the hunting down of Osama like a dog, they chased the fool everywhere, he was hiding under rocks in a mountain couldn't live a normal life again, and eventually when he thought the heat is over after over a decade and went to City life, they tracked him down to his rabbit hole and blew his head to hell. The only time Americans started complaining about the war in Iraq was when it was clear that the Bush Government was lying about WMD and Saddam never had such weapons and the chemical stockpile he had before had already been destroyed before the US invaded. So the war was a political opportunity set up to effect regime change nothing more. Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the Twin Tower and Pentagon bombing. They set him up and pushed him under the bus. That was when the Americans started complaining that the war was wrong and they should pull out and costing unnecessary expense and troop losses. Do you think if any country in this world actually attacks America, the American people won't support their govt and their troops to retaliate in the harshest way possible? Do you think US military system is like Nigeria? Many Americans will volunteer and rush to go and enlist if an enemy force attacks them, they won't mind to die, and won't rest until they destroy that enemy completely.

gtown:

You are talking about War between China and US as if it's going to be biafra against Nigeria.

dermmy:


stop arguing with that guy. He does not know Germany's defeat began the day they attacked the Soviet Russia. The Soviet defended stalingrad with their lives incurring heavy casualty but they got the victory. The Soviets even digraced them at the Battle of Kursk The largest tank battle in the history of warfare. Hitler made a costly mistake by taking the war to the Russian side.

According to the popular British historian Max Hastings in his book Inferno: world at war

"The Soviet red army was the engine of Nazism destruction Soviet union paid the harshest price"

Some people like openbusiness will just come here and give us beer parlour analysis that America saved Russia, how? Franklin Roosevelt was even commending Joseph Stalin about Soviet bravey during the "Yalta conference"

Openbusiness:
America did not contribute to the defeat of Hitler, America caused the defeat of Hitler. Hitler had taken over the major power blocs in Europe already. Hitler first conquered Poland, then went on to conquered Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, France (as powerful as France was, it was a quick and easy defeat), Greece etc. The next major remaining target was Britain and the Soviet Union. Britain was struggling and they knew their defeat was imminent. Winston Churchill was sending SOS to America to come and save their lives. The Soviet Union believed in the population of their army would help them against the Germans and they believed Hitler would not dare try to attack them. But Hitler had his eyes on the Soviet Union. Hitler was fighting on 2 sides, trying to conquer Britain and trying to conquer the Soviet Union. Hitler was winning on both sides and progressing deeper into their territories. Italy was allied to Hitler and Mussolini was pushing the fight for Hitler on tbe British end, while Hitler concentrated on the Soviet side. America was still busy with Japan. And couldn't join the fight. Britain Churchill was begging America for dear life. Before America came allied forces of France, Luxembourg etc about 5 countries or so. Hitler defeated them like babies. So they were no match for him. It was when America finished beating Japan black and blue, they deployed troops and fighter planes to join the fight. American airforce is a major game changer in any war. Their airforce pounded Hitler troops, their ground forces joined with Britain to form a new version of allied troops led by America. Hitler started suffering major casaulties. When the loss was getting too much on the British side, Hitler withdrew some troops from the side fighting the Soviet Union side, so that be can cope with the American forces, that was the ERROR that cost him the war and the error that saved the Soviet Union who were at their last stand trying to protect Moscow their capital from being conquered by Hitler and the Soviet Union would have fallen. Hitler killed over 20 million Soviets, that's to show you how much they were losing. America won the war for Europe. That's why they queue behind America like puppets till today.

Simeonjoe1:


Nice analysis boss, with the right reason Americans will support a war.
Also the mounting casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan war is another major reason for them to pull out.
If America blindingly go to war for political reasons and it started getting to a war of attrition especially on enemy soil my friend the American people will not fully comply and they will be looking for a way to pull out (and that's exactly what will happen if they should invade China,)
Chinese are crazy with a different military doctrines they don't care to die enmass...
America on the other hand value every soldiers life and will not accept 1 vs 1 kill against adversary hence they'll find the easy way out...

Openbusiness:
America did not contribute to the defeat of Hitler, America caused the defeat of Hitler. Hitler had taken over the major power blocs in Europe already. Hitler first conquered Poland, then went on to conquered Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, France (as powerful as France was, it was a quick and easy defeat), Greece etc. The next major remaining target was Britain and the Soviet Union. Britain was struggling and they knew their defeat was imminent. Winston Churchill was sending SOS to America to come and save their lives. The Soviet Union believed in the population of their army would help them against the Germans and they believed Hitler would not dare try to attack them. But Hitler had his eyes on the Soviet Union. Hitler was fighting on 2 sides, trying to conquer Britain and trying to conquer the Soviet Union. Hitler was winning on both sides and progressing deeper into their territories. Italy was allied to Hitler and Mussolini was pushing the fight for Hitler on tbe British end, while Hitler concentrated on the Soviet side. America was still busy with Japan. And couldn't join the fight. Britain Churchill was begging America for dear life. Before America came allied forces of France, Luxembourg etc about 5 countries or so. Hitler defeated them like babies. So they were no match for him. It was when America finished beating Japan black and blue, they deployed troops and fighter planes to join the fight. American airforce is a major game changer in any war. Their airforce pounded Hitler troops, their ground forces joined with Britain to form a new version of allied troops led by America. Hitler started suffering major casaulties. When the loss was getting too much on the British side, Hitler withdrew some troops from the side fighting the Soviet Union side, so that be can cope with the American forces, that was the ERROR that cost him the war and the error that saved the Soviet Union who were at their last stand trying to protect Moscow their capital from being conquered by Hitler and the Soviet Union would have fallen. Hitler killed over 20 million Soviets, that's to show you how much they were losing. America won the war for Europe. That's why they queue behind America like puppets till today.

Openbusiness:
The country will the highest population is the country that is most likely to surrender when the war gets out of hand. Why did Japan surrender. It was not because of the casualties figures, it was the gory sight of how Hiroshima a city bubbling with life in one second was turned to a mass grave. The heat from the bomb was so intense that people's shadows formed print marks on the ground and surrounding surfaces. The horror was too much Japan surrendered. It was not because of the amount of people that died, it was the way they died. An unforgettable horror till this day. Japan of those days invaded and conquered China, enslaved them, bullied and oppressed them at will. They fought to free themselves, they lost the first attempt. It was at the 2nd attempt they won, a Japan than was weak from trying to play ball with the British. The mistake China is making now is the same mistake Japan made centuries ago, thinking they had arrived because of the little tech advancement they had gained, they wanted to start claiming ground outside of their territories and oppressing surrounding countries like China. And it led them to a confrontation with America that pushed them to attack Pearl Harbor, which sparked the war and led to Japan being turned to a permanent puppet of the West, till today. They don't even have any aim in life again other than to follow the United States and do their bidding. China is towing that same path. It will soon clear for their eyes. Let them just make the mistake of bombing any US military ships in the Indian Ocean. That will be the beginning of their end.

Simeonjoe1:


No boss though you are correct but ain't giving credit to who it's due.
Britain almost single-handedly resist German attack on their soil, which help crippled the luftwatte.
The biggest battle loss on the German army was inflicted by the soviet union.
The first major set back and loss of objectives on the German side was by the soviet union..
The largest loss of soldiers and materials on combat was inflicted by the soviet...
The first withdrawal from a major war platform by the German and axis force was as a result of the soviet union...
The turning point of ww2 in European theater was as a result of the soviet union...
Now tell me how American changed the war..
America and the allies only majorly help in the defeat of the German navy in the Atlantic and also the liberation of Africa but in Europe the main contender is the soviet union (a country Hitler should not have attacked)

yenereal:
Righteousness89 over to you.

Openbusiness:


President Eisenhower said:

"When we flew into Russia, in 1945, I did not see a house standing between the western borders of the country and the area around Moscow. Through this overrun region, Marshal Zhukov told me, so many numbers of women, children and old men had been killed that the Russian Government would never be able to estimate the total."

That was a documented live witness report of the Soviet Union after the war. The level of destruction was unprecedented. Germany showed them hell. And this is The reason everyone credits the Soviets, this was their major contribution to the war, they sacrificed millions of troops, their cities and their people, they were ready to fight to the end than surrender. France surrendered quickly. The Soviets didn't. They were ready to die till the last man than surrender. This singular act, prolonged the war. Had they surrendered, Germany would have pushed its major forces to face Britain and defeated them before America could join the fight. It was this unflinching resolve, this incredible tenacity, this stubborn courage, and unbelievable pride that the Soviets had that they refused to surrender despite all the heavy casaulties they were suffering. It was a war, so there's no way Hitler Germany won't have casualties, especially being the aggressor and invading force, a country so bold they had the mind to attack another country probably 5 or 6 times their size. Stalin sacrificed his troops. He gave an order that later turned to a famous quote when his troops were running from German forces. He gave an order that "NOT ONE STEP BACK". Germany total loss less than 5 million, Soviets lost over 20 million conservative estimate. Some put the figures around 28 million. That gives you an idea of who was losing. Had America not interfered, had America not participated to join and lead the allied forces, Germany would have won. That is the fact of the war. Hitler would have conquered Britain and conquered the Soviet Union.

seanwilliam:
omoh, america is years ahead where the world think they are