Excuses:


Am not arguing what u just typed but China must mellow down for America..that's all..wallahi check properly is America that made China what it is today...

Not anymore. Are you aware that Chinese manufacturers lots of America's goods for less and the US in turn sale for a higher price?
If anything happens between these two countries they will both loose greatly. Mind you, America can't stand on her own without using allies to further her course.

You won't understand the level of damage the US have caused to other countries and most especially, African countries that seems to not have a head way without the US.

The US too should 'mellow' because they are only jealous and scared of the Chinese fast growth.

Simeonjoe1:
. The US seems to be the master of the seas with destroyers and aircraft carriers(which it has the most). It navy also has a formidable airforce which can also be used against adversary navy.
In times of submarine warfare America has one of the best submarine(though in limited numbers) and submarine warfare doctrines.

For China they also have a formidable navy which can hold its own against America navy they have a more numerical navy ships though most are outdated (but they are seriously modernizing at a more faster rate than America).
They also operate about 2 aircraft carriers and are planning more in the future.
America naval airforce clearly outclassed its Chinese counterparts but China is still not an easy pushover.
In submarine warfare China operate a modest class submarine mostly diesel/electric class which are dangerous in littoral waters and are meant to battle America forces close to Chinese homeland due to their limited range and endurance. These submarine also incoperate western technology which makes them formidable but they are in limited numbers.
the bulk of Chinese submarine are outdated compared to their American counterparts but trust me they are steadily modernizing this fleets also and even planning to outnumber their America foes.
Since China will likely be on the defensive and fight America close to their homeland, they are also counting on intermediate range ballistic missiles with anti ship and anti aircraft carriers capabilities to offset their mechanical disadvantages against America, and they are building this IRBM in bulk which could possess a serious threat to the America naval assets, not only are this missiles meant to be effective they are also more survivable since they are mobile hence able to avoid retaliatory strike from Americans...
In an all out naval war America will clearly win but also expect China to put up a fight and hurt America too(which it will take them decades to revive)

This is a very good analysis, I commend you for being sensible and not acting like the others on this forum. I believe that people would learn something from this post.

My argument is that the US would ultimately defeat China whichever way. China is no match for the US military even in 10yrs time. The US is highly diplomatic despite all the power and military might they possess.
Did you know that Japan was the strongest nation in Asia when the US obliterated them? The US could have turned the whole of Japan into powder if they wanted back then. My point is that China is strong, YES! But the US is not a match for them. Russia is who they can flex little muscle for, Russia even avoids the US at all costs, who then is China?

Openbusiness:
Don't mind them, these jokers are telling me I watch too much American movies, yet I am dropping actual verifiable real-life FACTS of American Military superiority in this world. Where's is their proof of Chinese military might that is equivalent or even close to what America has? They just argue blindly and make insults to deviate from the issues on ground. They want to equate a local champion in Asia to a real global super power like America. In which reality does that work? It won't even work in a virtual reality. Nonsense! They think because China is giving Nigeria loans and bullying some small small countries and island territories or hacking private companies to steal Western technology or talking tough makes China at par with America. America invaded Iraq and unseated Saddam Hussein, on their own, every gaddem country in this world shut up and did nothing about it. Same thing they did to Afghanistan. Everybody turned a blind eye, playing if you can't beat them join them, and they joined America. When America talks, 90% of Europe falls in line like a puppet, they might grumble sometimes, but when push gets to shove, they fall in line and queue behind America's back. Yet someone thinks China has a chance to defeat America in war. Mtchwwwwwww! Jokers

✓ Most powerful military
✓ Most global military formations or presence
✓ Most powerful weapons
✓ BIGGEST weapons arsenal
✓ Most powerful economy
✓ Most powerful allies
✓ Most advanced technology
✓ Friendly surrounding border countries (Mexico is an ally of America. They are not hostile or enemy neighbors. They work together and have strong ties. You can't even call Canada an ally of America, they are more than allies, they are like twin brothers, that's how deep their solidarity and friendship runs.

Does China have any of these things? Mtchwwwwwww

Openbusiness, why you clearly stand out is because you talk with facts and figures and even maps. I have been watching, instead of them to counter your facts they rather resort to meaningless insults. That is not the argument of a mature mind, those are just malicious sentiments which amount to nothing in a discussion like this. Some positions truly disgust me. Please keep dishing out your facts. But one thing people must know is that out of maturity, America does not make boast of their weapons as some countries like China does, reason that they know they are superior, which is undeniable. Every war has an objective, some saying America loses war each time is laughable. Think question should be was the objective of a particular war met? The answer will tell whether or not there has been a failure.
Like someone said, if china has 50% of America assets, not only military, no nation will be at peace, they will be servants of the CCP. Look at China's neighbours, which of them is friendly with China? It takes more than savagery military might to be a world power. How many nation can China muster? Can China sacrifice its citizens to push for freedom. China has more enemies than friends, if they have any friend at all. Their close tie with North Korea is just so because of America, a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Is that a nation that can be a global superpower? How much do they value human life even of their citizens?

Daum:
China doesn't even have the military strength that the USSR had back then yet the US reduced her influence. Chinese missiles will barely get to US mainland. The few ones that will go there will be intercepted by NORAD. If the Chinese want to target America, then its probably Guam, Hawaii or American Samoa. Trust me, you don't want to attack the Americans first. If you do, they will drop their internal politics and confront you.

In WWII the US built a ship in less than 2 weeks. This was over 75 years ago. The last time foreign troops fought wars on US mainland was the American war of independence. The US has always fought wars outside her shores and a war with china will be fought in China. America has forecasters and they know they might go down like other empires, but it would be better to pass the baton to a friendly nation and keep the evil one at bay till the friendly nation is strong enough. America sees India as a check and balance to China. But till India is very powerful enough, America will keep china at bay. It's what the British did, keeping Germany and Russia far off till the US was strong enough to take over.


The last time the Chinese army fought a war was the Korean war in the 1950s. War games and exercises are different from real wars. The US is ever ready for combat. They are always engaged in one war or the other. That's the same thing the Russians are doing. When your troops are always engaged, it enables them practicalize all they have learnt. It enables you test your weapons and find it's defaults.

The Chinese are smart
They know they're not equals yet with America. They will bid their time and wait for the right moment.

Please for now they're not equal with America but a war between both will be disastrous. People should not blame the US for sailing in the south china sea. If they don't do it, no other nation will be able to do it. Let them keep the balance of power there for now. The US is the necessary evil that the world needs.

THE MOST BRILLIANT CONTRIBUTION TO THIS DISCUSSION EVER. Very mature and balanced. Thank you sir. For me, this is the summary of it all. You are a very keen observer of global happenings.

sulasa07:

Keep on dreaming,wars will keep on happening why?Some people make money during war times

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Openbusiness:
Don't mind them, these jokers are telling me I watch too much American movies, yet I am dropping actual verifiable real-life FACTS of American Military superiority in this world. Where's is their proof of Chinese military might that is equivalent or even close to what America has? They just argue blindly and make insults to deviate from the issues on ground. They want to equate a local champion in Asia to a real global super power like America. In which reality does that work? It won't even work in a virtual reality. Nonsense! They think because China is giving Nigeria loans and bullying some small small countries and island territories or hacking private companies to steal Western technology or talking tough makes China at par with America. America invaded Iraq and unseated Saddam Hussein, on their own, every gaddem country in this world shut up and did nothing about it. Same thing they did to Afghanistan. Everybody turned a blind eye, playing if you can't beat them join them, and they joined America. When America talks, 90% of Europe falls in line like a puppet, they might grumble sometimes, but when push gets to shove, they fall in line and queue behind America's back. Yet someone thinks China has a chance to defeat America in war. Mtchwwwwwww! Jokers

✓ Most powerful military
✓ Most global military formations or presence
✓ Most powerful weapons
✓ BIGGEST weapons arsenal
✓ Most powerful economy
✓ Most powerful allies
✓ Most advanced technology
✓ Friendly surrounding border countries (Mexico is an ally of America. They are not hostile or enemy neighbors. They work together and have strong ties. You can't even call Canada an ally of America, they are more than allies, they are like twin brothers, that's how deep their solidarity and friendship runs.

Does China have any of these things? Mtchwwwwwww

But America that had it was still defeated by a small country like North-Vietnam so what went wrong?

Simeonjoe1:
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Baba the F35 is stealthy and also has the best Radar system between the two.
The su35 can see the F35 no doubt but at a closer range.. By Then the F35 might have seen the su35 since...

on point...
bravo

sulasa07:

Nothing concern USA,it's not American continent,it's Asian,so China is closer to home than USA

USA is allied to those other countries dragging the islands with China. Bigger nations should not be allowed to trample on smaller nations

You people should quit with this China support

Simeonjoe1:


Baba all these are just paper hype, has the air defense system been tested in actual combat?
How can they fare against a barrage of discharging warheads at a particular time?
Can they deal with complex and sophisticated attacks?
What about in an electronic warfare environment how well will they operate?
Russia and China has claimed to develop hypersonic missiles, can they stop these missiles traveling at 6+ the speed of sound inside the atmosphere?

Yes US and allies air defense systems might be effective but don't espect them to shoot down all the missiles. Even Isreal with one of the best air defense systems has about 80% success rate (which even the military classed as a success as even them are not especting total intercept but just minimal damage against them) against a far inferior and less sophisticated ballistic missiles, now imagine a defense against a more advanced ballistic missiles that is even designed to fool such systems.

See ehn, me I love these kinds of conversations because it gives everyone a chance to rub minds together and learn and exchange information that will benefit everyone including me. Nobody is an island of knowledge. So I appreciate the knowledge you're sharing. Talks like this might get controversial sometimes and you might get to see gbas gbos from different participants and different angles. But for me it's nothing personal, my own gbas gbos highest na joking level or criticism, and no major insult or slamming that is meant to shame or bully or suppress anybody. we are just debating issues. Now back to topic, yes, Russia and China have hypersonic missile technology, it is not a claim. It is a fact. But America has it too, and more than that America has developed hypersonic NUCLEAR missile technology. So there is no technology that Russia has that is alien to America. The best missile defense system in this world is the iron dome missile defense system. Only Israel has it. That was the main technology they used to stop the hundreds of rockets Hezbollah fired into Israel and the reason Hezbollah is no longer too active in pursuing that method again because all the hundreds of millions of dollars used to make those rockets just wasted without killing a single Israeli. Later, the best rocket attacks from terrorists under the iron dome being deployed only caused 4 deaths. How was it possible? The terrorists fired hundreds of rockets at the same time and the iron dome could not intercept very short range missiles quick enough. So basically, short range very close range missiles are the only weak point of the iron dome so far. But for long range ICBM, no single one can escape. The iron dome is Israeli technology but America helped Israel with funding and support to turn the paper to reality with agreement that Israel will share the technology with America. So, in other words, America has the iron dome technology too. Have they built any to use so far. No, America has not deployed any iron dome missile defense system because the current missile defense systems in place across the world (that you are saying is not capable) is more than sufficient to handle any incoming missiles threat. All ICBM missiles approaching USA from enemy States or regions can only be long range/ medium range. And they will be intercepted and blown out of the sky either the the GMD or worst come to worst hypersonic fighter jets will be deployed to stop it. The fastest hypersonic missile is 2.8 mach speed, made by Russia, the fastest jet manned by a human being is 3.2 mach speed, the SR 71 which was built by America but later decommissioned because it was too expensive to maintain and unnecessary since there was no major threat that they need it for. But as the threats are starting to show up, America is already building the SR 72, will be commissioned by 2023, which is even going to be a monster and the biggest beast at 6 mach speed, that will rule the skies and make even Russia to fall back in line as a boy to America. It's not for decoration that America has the biggest military budget in the world. America budget is more than 3 times the military budget of China and Russia combined. The real sleeping giant in the World is America who are held back their own belief and Constitutional democracy, the sleeping giants who as autocratic as they may seem sometimes, are still the bastion of civilization and human rights, and it has made them soft over the years. Had America being a Communist country with no regards for human rights and total autocratic rule like China, I can bet you that China will have been a US colony and Chinese people would have been picking cottons, building roads, infrastructure and been the domestic slaves of Americans like Black people were. The world is just lucky that the Americans of today are not as brutal as their ancestors; and lucky that the brutal no-nonsense American ancestors didn't have the kind of technology the America of today has; and lucky that the America of any generation past or present or future is not interested in conquering nations and countries like the British, Russia, France, Japan's etc of this world. Their only interest in being a super power is to protect themselves from oppression and create an environment of prosperity and peace. Despite their atrocities to Black people in the era of slavery, America is the sanest and most civilized super power this world has ever seen. In the history of nations that attained global power, no country has ever stayed within its own borders without trying to enslave those around them or take over other people's countries to enslave it. America has never done so. The British did, the Russians did, the French did, the Romans did, the Persians did, the Israelites did, the Arabs did etc......and definitely the Chinese will do it if they had the chance. Who are the countries in this world that have invaded China and subdued them: Russia, Britain, Japan. Who is the country that helped China developed after slavery? America. China won't be the China they are today if not for America. What a stupid ungrateful country they are. And if they continue this their foolishness and arrogance, then they should be prepared to be cut down to size.

dermmy:


But America that had it was still defeated by a small country like North-Vietnam so what went wrong?

You people just keep believing and accepting the lies that America haters dish out without verifying or confirming what is fact from what is fiction

FACT: America DID NOT loose the Vietnam war
FICTION: America lost Vietnam war

Where was the Vietnam war fought? In Vietnamese soil, outside of America. To understand and decide who WON and who LOST. It is important to know what the casualties figures on both sides is. I mean, this is a matter of war. In war, the side with the biggest casualties and biggest damage to their region is the real loser. Ok, how many people died on both sides?

VIETNAM CASAULTIES: it is estimated that about 2 million Vietnamese civilians + 1.1 million North Vietnamese soldiers + 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers DIED!

AMERICA CASUALTIES: it is estimated that 58,000 U.S soldiers DIED.

Not to mention major damage Vietnam suffered in their country that made nearly 3 million Vietnamese run to America. No single damage on America soil, no single civilian died in America. So please come and explain to the world, How is it Vietnam that WON the war? In what way did they win?

kayusely70:
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No problem sir

Investnow2017:

Openbusiness, why you clearly stand out is because you talk with facts and figures and even maps. I have been watching, instead of them to counter your facts they rather resort to meaningless insults. That is not the argument of a mature mind, those are just malicious sentiments which amount to nothing in a discussion like this. Some positions truly disgust me. Please keep dishing out your facts. But one thing people must know is that out of maturity, America does not make boast of their weapons as some countries like China does, reason that they know they are superior, which is undeniable. Every war has an objective, some saying America loses war each time is laughable. Think question should be was the objective of a particular war met? The answer will tell whether or not there has been a failure.
Like someone said, if china has 50% of America assets, not only military, no nation will be at peace, they will be servants of the CCP. Look at China's neighbours, which of them is friendly with China? It takes more than savagery military might to be a world power. How many nation can China muster? Can China sacrifice its citizens to push for freedom. China has more enemies than friends, if they have any friend at all. Their close tie with North Korea is just so because of America, a case of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Is that a nation that can be a global superpower? How much do they value human life even of their citizens?

My Chairman, you will live long. They are not presenting facts to back up their claims. They are just throwing imaginary stories that they cook up from imagination or elsewhere. Imagine someone here asking me why did America lose to Vietnam if they are a super power. Vietname lost almost 4 million people in that war + serious damage to their country infrastructure from plenty bombings, their country was turned to a slaughter house. America soldiers that died is just about 60,000 troops. Yet in his small mind it was America that lost the war and Vietnam won the war. You lose about 4 million of your own people and manage to kill 60,000 people of your enemy, is that how to win a war? Mtchwwwwwww! America "cries" more than Vietnam about the war not because they lost. But because in their eyes, 60,000 American lives lost is more valuable than 4 million Vietnamese lives lost. America values its citizens even in death. Can any country attack America soil and kill 4 million people and that country still exist on the World Map? They will have been bombed to hell and bombed out of existence and erased from this world.

rottennaija:


By your admission, there have always been God's servant throughout history that Jesus was there for ( in their millions). So irrespective of whether God's servant were scattered, scanty or not. World powers would have something to do with them one way or another and they have been many super powers over the past 2000 years.

Let me ask you, in the course of the first 6 world powers, where they other world powers that were not counted or recognised as such because they didn't ruled over God's people? If there were, which where they?

And if they were not, why should the criteria for determination of who constitute world power and who doesn't change over the past 2000 years ( such that even while acknowledging that they have been many powers that rose and fell over the period, they are not counted?)

The criteria that such empires would be ones that had an impact on God's people was not unilaterally established, rather it is in keeping with what the angel told Daniel at Daniel chapter 10:14 where he said "I have come to make you understand what will befall your people...... " Emphasis on [/i]your people. [i]
And the dream by Nebuchadnezzar of an image which was clearly explained by Daniel under divine inspiration also alludes to that fact that they would be empires that would have an impact on God's people.
Admittedly there were empires back then like the Norte Chico empire of 3000BC, the Harappa, and the Mohenjo-Darro empire 1000BC from the Indus Valley, amongst others, but the Bible does not point to these as having such characteristics. And what the angel told Daniel has to do with TIME OF THE END which i firmly believe we are now.

wunmi590:

No problem sir

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kayusely70:
Thats Nice Of You. When & How Do I Get It.

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Openbusiness:

You people just keep believing and accepting the lies that America haters dish out without verifying or confirming what is fact from what is fiction

FACT: America DID NOT loose the Vietnam war
FICTION: America lost Vietnam war

Where was the Vietnam war fought? In Vietnamese soil, outside of America. To understand and decide who WON and who LOST. It is important to know what the casualties figures on both sides is. I mean, this is a matter of war. In war, the side with the biggest casualties and biggest damage to their region is the real loser. Ok, how many people died on both sides?

VIETNAM CASAULTIES: it is estimated that about 2 million Vietnamese civilians + 1.1 million North Vietnamese soldiers + 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers DIED!

AMERICA CASUALTIES: it is estimated that 58,000 U.S soldiers DIED.

Not to mention major damage Vietnam suffered in their country that made nearly 3 million Vietnamese run to America. No single damage on America soil, no single civilian died in America. So please come and explain to the world, How is it Vietnam that WON the war? In what way did they win?

Lolz. By thier analysis we shall know them.

Now hear this, victory is not about the number of people you have bombed or killed it is not even measured by the number of destruction you've caused but by the number of your strategic gains and missions accomplished and your objectives for entering the war. We all knows war destroys lives and one side would always suffer more casualty than the other. But did America achieved its objectives? Capital NO

America entered the Vietnam war because they wanted to stop North Vietnam from unifying the South under Communism which they failed to achieve, America withdrew and the North still unified the South under communism to this day.

O yea America used its superior air power to bomb them indiscriminately which is an act of cowardice but for that small and ill equipped country to kill over 58k american troops, shoot down over 10k American aircraft and still expelled America out of their country remains one of the greatest military victories of the 20th century if not the greatest.

The Vietnamese were ready to continue fighting they were very determined to expel the invader and unify their country which the imperialists parted into two. America didn't plan to fight a prolonged war with the Viets but the vietnamese made sure they allow the war to drag on for years they matched U.S escalation for escalation and chased the invaders away.

You have been doing some funny analysis since but this latest one just weak me o.

wunmi590:

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You? Try again

CyberEBOLA:
Let me just keep quiet because what I wanted to say can start WORLD WAR 3.

Nicepoker:

Some fools don't even read the post, they just saw the topic and started spewing rubbish as usual.. US is the nosy intruder, as always..

Investnow2017:

The criteria that such empires would be ones that had an impact on God's people was not unilaterally established, rather it is keeping with what the angel told Daniel at Daniel chapter 10:14 where he said "I have come to make you understand what will befall your people...... " Emphasis on [/i]your people. [i]
And the dream by Nebuchadnezzar of an image which was clearly explained by Daniel under divine inspiration also alludes to that fact that they would be empires that would have an impact on God's people.
Admittedly there were empires back then like the Norte Chico empire of 3000BC, the Harappa, and the Mohenjo-Darro empire 1000BC from the Indus Valley, amongst others, but the Bible does not point to these as having such characteristics. And what the angel told Daniel has to do with TIME OF THE END which i firmly believe we are now.

Then going by that, the US cannot be the 7th world power since it is known that they had been world powers between the time Rome was super power and the beginning of the 1900s.

Also, history shows that they had been loyal and faithful Christian in their millions over the period too.

dermmy:


Lolz. By thier analysis we shall know them.

Now hear this victory is not about the number of people you have bombed or killed it is not even measured by the number of destruction you've caused by by the number your startegic gains and missions accomplished and your objectives for entering the war. We all knows war destroys lives and one side would always suffer more casualty than the other.

America entered the Vietnam war because they wanted to stop North Vietnam from unifying the South under Communism which they failed to achieve, America withdrew and the North still unified the South under communism to this day.

O yea America used its superior air power to bomb them indiscriminately which is an act of cowardice but for that small and ill equipped country to kill over 58k american troops, shoot down over 10k American aircraft and still expelled America out of their country remains one of the greatest military victories of the 20th century if not the greatest.

You have been doing some funny analysis since but this latest one just weak me o.

Which mission was accomplished? The idea of North and South Vietnam is norhing but a construction to reflect the political leaning of those who were align to US pattern of life. In reality, Vietnam is Vietnam, nothing like North and South. Majority favored Communism, some favored Capitalism. The people who favored Communism did a coup that overthrew the other side. America was fighting to support and protect those who favored Capitalism while Russia and China were backing the other side. What brought America to fight was the US ships that those Communist Vietnamese attacked and destroyed. And more than 3 million Vietnamese in the North where the Communists were concentrated died because of their attack on US troops there. America pulled out of the war because there was nothing they had to gain from Vietnam to be spending their military resources to keep it. America can't and won't force a country with guns and bombs to accept Capitalism. Vietnam was not worth fighting for. But before they left, America made sure they took their pound of flesh. In any war book, in any country, in any civilization, 4 million deaths will always be a loss to 60,000. So keep consoling your self that nearly 4 million deaths don't matter. And they suffered for it. Where is Vietnam in the world today? If not for corruption, a country like Vietnam will be washing Nigeria's toilet.

they basically HALTED everything.

Tonylyte:
It a good thing to watch them attack them selves. These two nations have been terrorising the world in one way or the other, especially the midgets country, China. I dont know what is wrong with those people, they brought the world to a total halt, killing 100 of thousands of people with their planned Virus, yet no remorse or apology tendered in any form....they still go about causing restlessness to people in different form of attacks.

dermmy:
America and China should tread carefully. America should also stop its provocative actions in the South China sea. China is a country that wants to control its own destiny and won't be moved around by a bully.

This is the difference between Nairaland and Quora. People just vomit what they have little or no knowledge about. Unfortunately, over 100 people liked this. What do you know about the disputed territory? How many countries do you think have right to it? What are the extant international rules concerning international waters and territories?

DapperGuy:


Thanks for this comment. The US Airforce is the best in the world. And after it, guess who is the second best airforce in the world? The US Navy. Yes, the US Navy has its own Airforce and it's better than the Airforce of any other country.

You can't even compare the US Airforce and the Chinese because there is no basis for comparison. Instead, compare the US Navy's Airforce with the Chinese Airforce.

pls explain the bolded well sir..thanks

Openbusiness:
See ehn, me I love these kinds of conversations because it gives everyone a chance to rub minds together and learn and exchange information that will benefit everyone including me. Nobody is an island of knowledge. So I appreciate the knowledge you're sharing. Talks like this might get controversial sometimes and you might get to see gbas gbos from different participants and different angles. But for me it's nothing personal, my own gbas gbos highest na joking level or criticism, and no major insult or slamming that is meant to shame or bully or suppress anybody. we are just debating issues. Now back to topic, yes, Russia and China have hypersonic missile technology, it is not a claim. It is a fact. But America has it too, and more than that America has developed hypersonic NUCLEAR missile technology. So there is no technology that Russia has that is alien to America. The best missile defense system in this world is the iron dome missile defense system. Only Israel has it. That was the main technology they used to stop the hundreds of rockets Hezbollah fired into Israel and the reason Hezbollah is no longer too active in pursuing that method again because all the hundreds of millions of dollars used to make those rockets just wasted without killing a single Israeli. Later, the best rocket attacks from terrorists under the iron dome being deployed only caused 4 deaths. How was it possible? The terrorists fired hundreds of rockets at the same time and the iron dome could not intercept very short range missiles quick enough. So basically, short range very close range missiles are the only weak point of the iron dome so far. But for long range ICBM, no single one can escape. The iron dome is Israeli technology but America helped Israel with funding and support to turn the paper to reality with agreement that Israel will share the technology with America. So, in other words, America has the iron dome technology too. Have they built any to use so far. No, America has not deployed any iron dome missile defense system because the current missile defense systems in place across the world (that you are saying is not capable) is more than sufficient to handle any incoming missiles threat. All ICBM missiles approaching USA from enemy States or regions can only be long range/ medium range. And they will be intercepted and blown out of the sky either the the GMD or worst come to worst hypersonic fighter jets will be deployed to stop it. The fastest hypersonic missile is 2.8 mach speed, made by Russia, the fastest jet manned by a human being is 3.2 mach speed, the SR 71 which was built by America but later decommissioned because it was too expensive to maintain and unnecessary since there was no major threat that they need it for. But as the threats are starting to show up, America is already building the SR 72, will be commissioned by 2023, which is even going to be a monster and the biggest beast at 6 mach speed, that will rule the skies and make even Russia to fall back in line as a boy to America. It's not for decoration that America has the biggest military budget in the world. America budget is more than 3 times the military budget of China and Russia combined. The real sleeping giant in the World is America who are held back their own belief and Constitutional democracy, the sleeping giants who as autocratic as they may seem sometimes, are still the bastion of civilization and human rights, and it has made them soft over the years. Had America being a Communist country with no regards for human rights and total autocratic rule like China, I can bet you that China will have been a US colony and Chinese people would have been picking cottons, building roads, infrastructure and been the domestic slaves of Americans like Black people were. The world is just lucky that the Americans of today are not as brutal as their ancestors; and lucky that the brutal no-nonsense American ancestors didn't have the kind of technology the America of today has; and lucky that the America of any generation past or present or future is not interested in conquering nations and countries like the British, Russia, France, Japan's etc of this world. Their only interest in being a super power is to protect themselves from oppression and create an environment of prosperity and peace. Despite their atrocities to Black people in the era of slavery, America is the sanest and most civilized super power this world has ever seen. In the history of nations that attained global power, no country has ever stayed within its own borders without trying to enslave those around them or take over other people's countries to enslave it. America has never done so. The British did, the Russians did, the French did, the Romans did, the Persians did, the Israelites did, the Arabs did etc......and definitely the Chinese will do it if they had the chance. Who are the countries in this world that have invaded China and subdued them: Russia, Britain, Japan. Who is the country that helped China developed after slavery? America. China won't be the China the China they are of today if not for America. What a stupid ungrateful country they are. And if they continue this their foolishness and arrogance, then they should be prepared to be cut down to size.

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Nice analysis but know this
Even the GMD missile defense (America main defense system) has a success rate of between 40-50%.
Currently even US and Russia has acknowledged that there's no missile defense that can complete defend against barrage of attack (we are talking of multiple simultaneously strikes which mostly consist of decoys).
The iron dome is effective no doubt but it still lack 100% intercept rate.
You intercepting an icbm is possible due to different interconnected networking sensors at different battle stations what happened when one is compromised (as enemy will try to offset this majorly through electronic attacks)
Currently now the US has not perfected its intercept on adversary missiles in fact Russia claim to possess icbm (like the Satan icbm) that posses decoy and can fool missile defense.

The Russia has missile above Mach 4+ (brahamos 3+ and the new brahamosII 7+ under development)
Icbm travels many times speed of sounds some Mach 20+ and are worst to intercept during their terminal stage especially with detaching multiple warheads.
Most test the US conduct with their missile test is usually a one on one scenario in a controlled environment. But in actual combat your enemy is not a full to just throw one missile your way the more they launch the more survivable they are are against intercept.
Currently the US do not have any defense against Russia and Chinese hypersonic missiles which can be fitted with nuclear warhead and can attack anywhere in America.

Yes the US are planning the Sr 72 for missiles intercept but it's not ideal to use an aircraft to intercept an ICBM because you'll have to destroy it at its boost/initial stage before it escape the atmosphere which means you'll have to travel into adversary airspace. Also at their mid course face they travel in space and many times at the speed of sound which make them impossible to be intercepted by a plane.
Also the doctrine, sophistication, logistics and cost of using a plane for intercept is out of it (check why America cancel the boeling YAL1)
Currently now intercepting an ICBM is more complex than as it is in paper.. Only in actual combat can we know its effectiveness.
America fighter planes has anti missile systems and decoys but yet they are still shot down sometimes by even obsolete and outdated SAM, does that means it's not effective? No because combat is more complex than what's promised on paper.

So for now we can't rule the effectiveness of air defense systems against ICBM and also the survivability of an ICBM except they are both tested in real combat and complex environments where they are at their stressing point.
For now just as America as claimed to counter opponent missiles,Russia and China had also claimed to have missiles that can fool these missile defenses.... So it's all about the CLAIM from both sides hence a PAPER TIGER

YES US are also developing hypersonic missiles but currently they have not deployed any yet(if they have, show me with fact the ones they posses) , if we should go according to the claims, Russia and China beat the US to be the first to own hypersonic weapon currently.

Openbusiness:
My Chairman, you will live long. They are not presenting facts to back up their claims. They are just throwing imaginary stories that they cook up from imagination or elsewhere. Imagine someone here asking me why did America lose to Vietnam if they are a super power. Vietname lost almost 4 million people in that war + serious damage to their country infrastructure from plenty bombings, their country was turned to a slaughter house. America soldiers that died is just about 60,000 troops. Yet in his small mind it was America that lost the war and Vietnam won the war. You lose about 4 million of your own people and manage to kill 60,000 people of your enemy, is that how to win a war? Mtchwwwwwww! America "cries" more than Vietnam about the war not because they lost. But because in their eyes, 60,000 American lives lost is more valuable than 4 million Vietnamese lives lost. America values its citizens even in death. Can any country attack America soil and kill 4 million people and that country still exist on the World Map? They will have been bombed to hell and bombed out of existence and erased from this world.

LOL just 60000? I laugh do you know that JUST causes a series of protest and riot in the US which is a cascade to the end of the Vietnam War... America can't avoid to lose millions in a war, the America people will not accept especially if its a self induced political war.

ProfAmaben:
I love China's progress but they should steer clear of the US. The US can obliterate China in one fell swoop.

Chinko, don't start what you can't finish.

All the military equipment China is using today are all copy cat of the US inventions. Raptor F22 was copied into Chengdu, China should provoke the US, we have enough land to bury them.

My advice to China: Don't forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki in a hurry.

You are talking about War between China and US as if it's going to be biafra against Nigeria.

dermmy:


Lolz. By thier analysis we shall know them.

Now hear this, victory is not about the number of people you have bombed or killed it is not even measured by the number of destruction you've caused but by the number of your strategic gains and missions accomplished and your objectives for entering the war. We all knows war destroys lives and one side would always suffer more casualty than the other. But did America achieved its objectives? Capital NO

America entered the Vietnam war because they wanted to stop North Vietnam from unifying the South under Communism which they failed to achieve, America withdrew and the North still unified the South under communism to this day.

O yea America used its superior air power to bomb them indiscriminately which is an act of cowardice but for that small and ill equipped country to kill over 58k american troops, shoot down over 10k American aircraft and still expelled America out of their country remains one of the greatest military victories of the 20th century if not the greatest.

The Vietnamese were ready to continue fighting they were very determined to expel the invader and unify their country which the imperialists parted into two. America didn't plan to fight a prolonged war with the Viets but the vietnamese made sure they allow the war to drag on for years they matched U.S escalation for escalation and chased the invaders away.

You have been doing some funny analysis since but this latest one just weak me o.

More sense for you boss, they think it's by casualties you measure victory in war.
German lost ww2 even with far fewer casualties. Even the soviet union that defeat Germany has about 5x the casualties.
You winning a war is about the objectives not the casualty (learn from the soviet union)

seanwilliam:
pls explain the bolded well sir..thanks

The U.S. Navy has the most ships by far of any navy worldwide. It also has the greatest diversity of missions and the largest area of responsibility.

No other navy has the global reach of the U.S. Navy, which regularly operates in the Pacific, Atlantic and Indian Oceans, as well as the Mediterranean, Persian Gulf and the Horn of Africa. The U.S. Navy also forward deploys ships to Japan, Europe and the Persian Gulf.

The U.S. Navy has 288 battle force ships, of which typically a third are underway at any given time. The U.S. Navy has 10 aircraft carriers, nine amphibious assault ships, 22 cruisers, 62 destroyers, 17 frigates and 72 submarines. In addition to ships, the U.S. Navy has 3,700 aircraft, making it the second largest air force in the world. At 323,000 active and 109,000 personnel, it is also the largest navy in terms of manpower.

Culled from Yahoo News

Usually, Navies don't operate large amounts of aircraft, but the US navy has enough aircraft that it can go into combat with any other Airforce in the world, except the United States Airforce, and win. I'm other words, the US Navy, without the assistance of the US Airforce, can take on the Russian or Chinese Airforce and Navy at the same time.

If war were to break out in the South China Sea, the US Navy won't need the assistance of the US Airforce because they can take on the Chinese Navy & Airforce.

Simeonjoe1:
. The US seems to be the master of the seas with destroyers and aircraft carriers(which it has the most). It navy also has a formidable airforce which can also be used against adversary navy.
In times of submarine warfare America has one of the best submarine(though in limited numbers) and submarine warfare doctrines.

For China they also have a formidable navy which can hold its own against America navy they have a more numerical navy ships though most are outdated (but they are seriously modernizing at a more faster rate than America).
They also operate about 2 aircraft carriers and are planning more in the future.
America naval airforce clearly outclassed its Chinese counterparts but China is still not an easy pushover.
In submarine warfare China operate a modest class submarine mostly diesel/electric class which are dangerous in littoral waters and are meant to battle America forces close to Chinese homeland due to their limited range and endurance. These submarine also incoperate western technology which makes them formidable but they are in limited numbers.
the bulk of Chinese submarine are outdated compared to their American counterparts but trust me they are steadily modernizing this fleets also and even planning to outnumber their America foes.
Since China will likely be on the defensive and fight America close to their homeland, they are also counting on intermediate range ballistic missiles with anti ship and anti aircraft carriers capabilities to offset their mechanical disadvantages against America, and they are building this IRBM in bulk which could possess a serious threat to the America naval assets, not only are this missiles meant to be effective they are also more survivable since they are mobile hence able to avoid retaliatory strike from Americans...
In an all out naval war America will clearly win but also expect China to put up a fight and hurt America too(which it will take them decades to revive)

You're 100% correct.. no matter the area or strategy or weapon use in fighting, America will win but would suffer great casualties too

CyberEBOLA:
Let me just keep quiet because what I wanted to say can start WORLD WAR 3.

.........some old reports said that WW3 would be fought with pen,paper and internet.Some had started here on Nairaland
Go and buy your new exercise books and Biro pls.
LOL!