cap28:

Gadaffi is doing the right thing, the west is trying to topple him by way of a fake "revolution", Libya unlike Egypt is not  a client state of the US and therefore Gadaffi is well within his rights to fight off any attempt to topple him.

The US govts fingerprints are all over this so called "uprising", Gadaffi should resort to any means to crush this fake rebellion because it is not legitimate.

Gadaffi has done a lot for his people, Libya unlike nigeria is a nation which has succeeded in providign a decent standa\rd of living for all its citizens, Gadaffi may be autocratic in terms of the way he runs the country but he is not syphoning billions of oil revenue away into swiss accounts and condemning his people to a life of grim poverty and misery.  Neither has he mortgaged his nation to the IMF, opened up the country to foreign direct investment aka appropriation of domestic resources into the hands of slave masters.  His only crime is that he has refused to be a western puppet like all of nigeria's so called leaders since "independence".

I pray that the US govt and their puppets will not succeed in their planned take over and toppling of Gaddaffi.

wow! the same game isn't it?  where the US gets the blame for every goat that misses it's menstrual cycle in North Africa or middle east.

Are the protesters Americans?  oh lemme guess,. . . . .  yeah, they must have received a secret call from white house to protest a 41 years dictatorship!

Isn't it plausible to think Libyans are also tired and would love to see Gaddaffi leave his positions?  did the US also organised the October 1993 attempted assassination of this tyrant by elements within his own army?

Was it the US that started the crises in Tunisia as well?  . . . it has to be!.  . . the late Mohamed Bouazizi must have received a call from the United States secretary of states to set himself on fire which eventually was the situation that led to the protest. .!

violent:


wow! the same game isn't it?  where the US gets the blame for every goat that misses it's menstrual cycle in North Africa or middle east.

Are the protesters Americans?  oh lemme guess,. . . . .  yeah, they must have received a secret call from white house to protest a 41 years dictatorship!

Isn't it plausible to think Libyans are also tired and would love to see Gaddaffi leave his positions?  did the US also organised the October 1993 attempted assassination of this tyrant by elements within his own army?

Was it the US that started the crises in Tunisia as well?  . . . it has to be!.  . . the late Mohamed Bouazizi must have received a call from the United States secretary of states to set himself on fire which eventually was the situation that led to the protest. .!

Well said. I knew it was a matter of time before some misguided fellows attached the West to Libya and Iran. To these people, the agitation in countries like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Bahrain, Djibouti etc are all real while those in Iran, Syria, and Libya are make believe.

Sometimes you can't help but feel a lot of pity at the ignorance on display. Really pathetic.

african are so poor $30000 mean alot to them. even in nigeria , you can get the nigeria military and have 1000 officers ready to take over govt.

Last I heard this morning is that over 200 Libyans have been mauled down by Gaddaffi and his son.
Too bad, because for years we have told Libyans that Gaddaffi needed to see a psychiatrist, now they can wait till he nukes his own people just to stay in power.

^^^

You can imagine that, and someone here thinks Gadaffi is doing the right thing!

Gadaffi is doing the right thing, the west is trying to topple him by way of a fake "revolution", Libya unlike Egypt is not  a client state of the US and therefore Gadaffi is well within his rights to fight off any attempt to topple him.

The US govts fingerprints are all over this so called "uprising", Gadaffi should resort to any means to crush this fake rebellion because it is not legitimate.

"Any means" ---meaning if that includes killing his own countrymen in thousands just to hang on to power. It's really disturbing the way people think. Hundreds are mourning their relatives as we speak, simply because they desired what everyone else desires----a government by the people, why should that be even wrong?

I am hoping someone could at least provide some sort of plausible explanation on how US could have secretly been the center of the Libyan protest,. . it would be too stúpid to think all those who believe that the protest is controlled by some powers in the west don't have a reason for thinking so.

I guess the "great satan" is no longer to be blamed for everything wrong with the Arab world. You can fool some people for some time, you can never fool all the people all the time.

Evil Brain:

If Libya is so fantastic, then why are their people braving bullets to come out and protest? People think the place is so fantastic when in reality its not that different from Nigeria. Some people live in luxury while most have very little. They may not have the kind of abject poverty we have here, but their society is still very unequal. The petrodollars mostly end up in the pockets of a privileged few.

Libya is not the hell hole that the west are trying to make us beleive it is, if the west want to start talking about dismantling brutal dictatorships they should be clamouring for the toppling of the Saudi Royal Family but they wont because the Saudis opened up their country to the US to exploit to the hilt.

Libya on the other hand has refused to play ball and therefore  Gaddafi  has been marked for removal by the US govt.

By the way you say the protesters have braved bullets to come out and remove Gadaffi, do you know anything about the people protesting on the streets?  Do these people represent the vast majority of Libyans?

When the CIA staged a coup to overthrow Chavez in 2002  they paid anti Chavez protesters to come out and start shooting and causing mayhem on the streets , the western press subsequently reported this as the killing of peaceful anti Chavez protesters by pro Chavez supporters - do you see how easy it is to be bamboozled by western propaganda?
I would advise you to go and google "colour revolutions" and the name "George Soros"  - that may explain in detail why these "revolutions" are happening at this particular time in the middle east.

Oh and by the way, Nigeria is not a democracy. Democracy means the people have the power to change their government whenever they are unhappy with its performance. Can you name one state outside of Lagos where that is even remotely possible? Here, our leaders get chosen through political manipulation (e.g. Yar'Adua), backstabbing (e.g. Alao Akala) and rigging (e.g. everybody else). The people have nothing to do with it.

I agree with you nigeria is merely masquerading as a democracy, yes it holds elections every 4 years, but they are nothing but a charade, the results are already predetermined.
My point was that the west don't seem to have a problem with nigeria and its leadership despite its open disregard for democratic priniciples but instead it seems hell bent on demonising Gadaffi who has provided more for his people than any nigerian leader since independence has ever done.

Nominal elections held for show don't make us a democracy any more than they made Mubarak a democrat. If the international community would allow it I'm sure the ruling class would rather skip the pretense, embezzle the INEC money and swear in GEJ after a PDP "family meeting".

True, but the illusion of democracy has been successfully used to bamboozle the majority of the nigerian populace for years , so i think its serving its purpose and its for that reason that i refer to nigeria as a democracy albeit a fake one.

Also the "international community" could not care less how the nigerian govt chooses to govern its people, after all they have backed military dictatorships in nigeria in the past (Babangida).

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Aigbofa:

I guess the "great satan" is no longer to be blamed for everything wrong with the Arab world. You can fool some people for some time, you can never fool all the people all the time.

What are you talking about? Don't you see these people cooking up the most brain-dead of conspiracies so they can blame it on America? Look . . . read what some of these posters are throwing around here . . . TUFIAKWA . . . ROFLMAO!!


People are being mauled over by their own President  . . . shot down like chicken by their own government, and you have human beings here cheering Ghaddafi on, pretending those people are not Libyan lives that are worth anything.

cap28 said:

My point was that the west don't seem to have a problem with nigeria and its leadership despite its open disregard for democratic priniciples but instead it seems hell bent on demonising Gadaffi who has provided more for his people than any nigerian leader since independence has ever done.

Dude, please engage your brains before you type. What is Libya's population? Is it not 6 million?

That's less than 1/4 the population of Lagos. And they have and export more oil than 150 million strong Nigeria.

WHY THE HELL WILL THEY NOT HAVE A GOVT WHO has ''provided more for them than any govt in Nigeria has done for its people''?

If we were to say all the federal money goes to Abuja from today, will Abuja not turn into a Dubai??

Some of you really come across as dense, honestly. You don't think before making these your daft comparisons.

Meanwhile. despite this vast oil money for such a tiny population, you still have MILLIONS of people in Libya suffering in poverty and unemployment. Considering their tiny population, Libya has actually done FAR WORSE than Nigeria in improving the lives of its people. By right, every Libyan should be living in a mansion and driving a merc. The person who says Gadaffi has not stolen billions is a clueless goat.

Gadaffi owns TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, perhaps even more than Mubarak's reported $70 billion.

Gadaffi now is ordering his troops to KILL protesters after vowing a ''violent and thunderous response'' to their protests for freedom. (At least 400 killed in the last 2 days)

Libya is a place with no freedom of speech. The place is swarming with secret police. Unexplained disappearances of critics are common. Torture and murder of political opponents are the order of the day. Newspapers are heavily censored.  Freedom of assembly, zero. Political prisoners number in their tens of thousands. All this for 42 straight years!

Fact is the Libyans are virtual slaves on their soil. That is why they are revolting and risking their lives. Nigerians, for all their economic problems, have the right of speech, the right to criticize their govt, to demonstrate without getting shot, to go to court, to vote, to challenge electoral decisions etc etc. They will therefore NOT take to the streets in their millions because society has avenues for expressing discontent without recourse to such mass action.

^GENIUS!

Dude, please use you brains when you type. What is Libya's population? Is it not 6 million?

T[b]hat's less than 1/4 the population of Lagos. And they have and export more oil than 150 million strong Nigeria.
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WHY THE HELL WILL THEY NOT HAVE A GOVT WHO has ''provided more for them than any govt in Nigeria has done for its people''?

If we were to say all the federal money goes to Abuja from today, will Abuja not turn into a Dubai??

Some of you really come across as dense, honestly. You don't think before making these your daft comparisons.

Meanwhile. despite this vast oil money for such a tiny population, you still have MILLIONS of people in Libya suffering in poverty. The person who says Gadaffi has not stolen billions is a clueless goat.

Gadaffi owns BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, perhaps even more than Mubarak's reported $70 billion.

Gadaffi now is ordering his troops to KILL protesters after vowing a ''violent and thunderous response'' to their protests for freedom.

Libya is a place with no freedom of speech. The place is swarming with secret police. Unexplained disappearances of critics are common. Torture and murder of political opponents are the order of the day. Newspapers are heavily censored. Freedom of assembly, zero. Political prisoners number in their tens of thousands. All this for 42 straight years!

Fact is the Libyans are virtual slaves on their soil. That is why they are revolting and risking their lives. Nigerians, for all their economic problems, have the right of speech, the right to criticize their govt, to demonstrate without getting shot, to go to court, to vote, to challenge electoral decisions etc etc. They will therefore NOT take to the streets in their millions because society has avenues for expressing discontent without recourse to such mass action.

again for emphasis!

Lmao! for once we agreed on something

Some of you really come across as dense, honestly. You don't think before making these your daft comparisons.

People really do come across as dense and it berates me the sorts of comaprisions and justifications they attempt to back their claim!

if anything, Libyans have more reasons to hate Ghadaffi than Egyptians have for Mubarak.  The dude has been been a dictator for 41 years, now that the people want change, the son-of-a-bítch orders the slaying of his own people, and some dude in his right senses think this is right!

violent:

^^^

You can imagine that, and someone here thinks Gadaffi is doing the right thing!


"Any means" ---meaning if that includes killing his own countrymen in thousands just to hang on to power. It's really disturbing the way people think. Hundreds are mourning their relatives as we speak, simply because they desired what everyone else desires----a government by the people, why should that be even wrong?

I am hoping someone could at least provide some sort of plausible explanation on how US could have secretly been the center of the Libyan protest,. . it would be too stúpid to think all those who believe that the protest is controlled by some powers in the west don't have a reason for thinking so.

I will repeat what i said earlier - Gaddaffi is well within his rights to crush any attempt to topple him - he has served his people well, taking Libya out of poverty and modernising it into a self sufficient nation despite years of western imposed economic embargoes.  He even survived an air strike carried out the by the US govt in 1986 which killed his only daughter:

The air strike killed 45 Libyan soldiers and government officials, and 15 civilians. Forewarned by a telephone call from Malta's Prime Minister, Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici, that unauthorized aircraft were flying over Maltese airspace heading south towards Tripoli, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and his family rushed out of their residence in the Bab al Aziziya compound moments before the bombs dropped. Gaddafi escaped injury but his 15-month-old adopted daughter Hanna was killed, and two of his sons were injured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Libya#Libyan


Nigeria has been kow towing and kissing the ar.se of america and Britain for 50 years and the only thing nigerians have to show for it is mass unemployment, brain drain, sub standard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, death trap roads, armed robbery and very soon another round of crippling structural adjustment policies.

Those so called protesters should move to nigeria and then they will know what it means to live in a hell hole.  At least they eat three square meals a day, live in decent accommodation, have access to free education, health care and live in a clean environment.

tufiakwa!!!

^^^ STFU

Dont bring your stupidity and bad belle to the argument

Please Kobo, dont spoil this thread!

violent:

^^^
You can imagine that, and someone here thinks Gadaffi is doing the right thing!
"Any means" ---meaning if that includes killing his own countrymen in thousands just to hang on to power. It's really disturbing the way people think. Hundreds are mourning their relatives as we speak, simply because they desired what everyone else desires----a government by the people, why should that be even wrong?

I am just as stunned by some of these responses as you are.

cap28:

I will repeat what i said earlier - Gaddaffi is well within his rights to crush any attempt to topple him - he has served his people well, taking Libya out of poverty and modernising it into a self sufficient nation despite years of western imposed economic embargoes.  He even survived an air strike carried out the by the US govt in 1986 which killed his only daughter:

The air strike killed 45 Libyan soldiers and government officials, and 15 civilians. Forewarned by a telephone call from Malta's Prime Minister, Karmenu Mifsud Bonnici, that unauthorized aircraft were flying over Maltese airspace heading south towards Tripoli, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and his family rushed out of their residence in the Bab al Aziziya compound moments before the bombs dropped. Gaddafi escaped injury but his 15-month-old adopted daughter Hanna was killed, and two of his sons were injured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Libya#Libyan


Nigeria has been kow towing and kissing the ar.se of america and Britain for 50 years and the only thing nigerians have to show for it is mass unemployment, brain drain, sub standard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, death trap roads, armed robbery and very soon another round of crippling structural adjustment policies.

Those so called protesters should move to nigeria and then they will know what it means to live in a hell hole.  At least they eat three square meals a day, live in decent accommodation, have access to free education, health care and live in a clean environment.

Again, you are not making much sense here bro.

First, Libya has one of the worst human rights records in the world, the people simply want freedom, surely that can't be too much to ask. . . .No?

Second, Ghadaffi does NOT own Libya, the fact that he could lay claim to achievements in certain sectors of the country should not give him right to make Libya his personal Heritage, . . .He's been there for 41 years dude!. . the people simply said they don't want him anymore, surely that can't be too big a request,. . . .No?

It's really strange that you mention that he has every right to crush any attempts to topple his regime, question is by whom? his own people?. . dude, hundreds of un-armed Libyans are falling from the shells of military power and you think this is right?  excuse me, are you smoking something dangerous to your health?

I will repeat what i said earlier - Gaddaffi is well within his rights to crush any attempt to topple him

So in your warped mind it is ok to live in a society where you cannot speak out, assemble with your peers, or criticize the govt, or risk death to self and family, so long as you have food on your table? Do you know you actually sound very corrupt?

- he has served his people well, taking Libya out of poverty and modernising it into a self sufficient nation.

 

Even a cretin with the IQ of a brick wall can do what he did. It's hardly rocket science to share billions in oil money among 6 million people enough for no one to starve. When will you get this vital point or are you truly dense?

Nigeria has been kow towing and kissing the ar.se of america and Britain for 50 years and the only thing nigerians have to show for it is mass unemployment, brain drain, sub standard educational instititutions, non existent health care facilities, death trap roads, armed robbery and very soon another round of crippling structural adjustment policies.

I can't really see the basis for any comparison at all between Nigeria and Libya. The two countries are as different as it is possible to be.

Those so called protesters should move to nigeria and then they will know what it means to live in a hell hole.  At least they eat three square meals a day, live in decent accommodation, have access to free education, health care and live in a clean environment.

You need to take their outrage as a lesson, ie that food, drink and free education are nowhere near enough to keep a population content in the absence of basic civil rights and political freedoms, a situation which makes their country a hell hole for them.

@topic

link?

in any case, no be today.

in ancient times, black armies were formed solely for this type of thing. I came across that info somewhere.

@knowall
I find it very upsetting when some persons give the excuse that afterall America's demorcracy is hundreds of years old. So this Nigeria's 'democracy' growth process is permitted.
Must Nigeria be say 200yrs old, before we can have an ideal democracy?
Can't we learn from their history and enhance our democratic governance in good time?
Our so called political leaders (elected & non-elected) are executing an "Unwritten Policy" where by default, they can continue to steal, protect themselves & their stolen wealth, & lord it over the citizenry.
WE CAN ACHIEVE TRUE DEMOCRACY IN GOOD TIME, IF WE HAVE THE WILL & SET OUR PRIORITIES RIGHT.

When the news first broke of the protests in Lybia I shuddered because
I knew it would be a bloody affair making the hundred or so that died in Egypt  childs play.While not taking anything away from the tunisians and the Egyptians they had it easy.Plese let me explain: The leaders in those countries had their health in teneous situations. Ben Ali`s health was failing and is under intence medical care same goes for Mubarak who in any case planned to leave by august only snag was he had planned to install his son which brought tension between him and the Elites(Military and Civillian) they had no problems with him handing over to anyone of his. Choice but not his son.Considering this and the fact that the West(yes that devilish evil entity conspiracy theorists love to hate responsible for everything wrong even my pot of stew that went bad cos power was unavailable ) was unhappy with. The level of violence the the Egyptian Gorvernment initialy employed he (Mubarack figured. What the heck might as well go and rest now.Its notewordy he didn't flee to Saudi .Coming back to Lybia if they really want to get Gaddafi out the better be ready for a bloddy resistance a whole lot more of them are going to die and even at that they still might not get him out.Gaddafi wount play by any rules of moderate behaviour mind you he had the foresite to ban most communications (internet) and news coverage of the protests so his hands are not in anyway constrained and since he is
Considered a “Mad dog” by the west they have no “influence” on him

ROSSIKE:

cap28 said:

Dude, please engage your brains before you type. What is Libya's population? Is it not 6 million?

That's less than 1/4 the population of Lagos. And they have and export more oil than 150 million strong Nigeria.

WHY THE HELL WILL THEY NOT HAVE A GOVT WHO has ''provided more for them than any govt in Nigeria has done for its people''?

If we were to say all the federal money goes to Abuja from today, will Abuja not turn into a Dubai??

Some of you really come across as dense, honestly. You don't think before making these your daft comparisons.

Meanwhile. despite this vast oil money for such a tiny population, you still have MILLIONS of people in Libya suffering in poverty and unemployment. Considering their tiny population, Libya has actually done FAR WORSE than Nigeria in improving the lives of its people. By right, every Libyan should be living in a mansion and driving a merc. The person who says Gadaffi has not stolen billions is a clueless goat.

Gadaffi owns TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, perhaps even more than Mubarak's reported $70 billion.

Gadaffi now is ordering his troops to KILL protesters after vowing a ''violent and thunderous response'' to their protests for freedom. (At least 400 killed in the last 2 days)

Libya is a place with no freedom of speech. The place is swarming with secret police. Unexplained disappearances of critics are common. Torture and murder of political opponents are the order of the day. Newspapers are heavily censored.  Freedom of assembly, zero. Political prisoners number in their tens of thousands. All this for 42 straight years!

Fact is the Libyans are virtual slaves on their soil. That is why they are revolting and risking their lives. Nigerians, for all their economic problems, have the right of speech, the right to criticize their govt, to demonstrate without getting shot, to go to court, to vote, to challenge electoral decisions etc etc. They will therefore NOT take to the streets in their millions because society has avenues for expressing discontent without recourse to such mass action.

People like you make me sick, always making excuses for the sorry state that nigeria is in, this excuse you have given is the same one made by Obasanjo when asked by the foreign press why 70% of nigerians live on less than $1 a day despite the fact that nigeria is the 8th largest exporter of oil in the world.

Are you not ashamed of yourself for peddling the pathetic lie that Libya exports more oil than nigeria - and you have the nerve to call me dense - let me say it again - NIGERIA IS THE EIGHT LARGEST EXPORTER OF OIL WORLDWIDE AHEAD OF LIBYA:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html

Look at the s.tupid excuse you are givign for nigeria's underdevelopment - high population - are you an i.diot (dont answer that cos i already know the answer)
If high population density translates into inability to provide constant electricity, proper infrastructure, good standard of health care and education then China with a population of 1.5 billiion should have condemned its citizens to the stone age and India with a population of just over a billion should have condemned at least half of its population to destitution and starvation , and yet despite these countries lack of natural resources  they have still been able to provide a standard of living to their citizens that puts nigeria to shame  - why is that?  Life expectancy for a man or woman in India is 69 years while in nigeria it is 46, why is that the case?  Your argument is completely senseless.

Nigeria makes on average $50billion in oil revenue annually, this is excluding profits that it has received from recent  oil windfalls, as at october 2010, nigeria was even able to record a current account surplus - 80% of this revenue is controlled by the federal govt and yet less than 1% of it trickles down to the nigerian populace and you have the nerve to open your cakehole and talk about our large population.
People who reason like you are a disgrace to nigeria, you come on here spouting this garbage pretending as if you know what you are talking about but the bottom line is you might as well be in a coma.

So libya is a place without freedom of speech, thats funny last time i checked nigeria wasnt exactly a bastion of democracy and respect for human rights.

Isnt this the same nigeria in which peaceful protesters in the niger delta were ra.ped. gunned down and brutalised by the nigerian army under instructions from OBJ in 1999, isnt this the same place where Ken Saro Wiwa was executed extra judicially for daring to challenge the nigerian govt in cahoots with a western multinational, isnt this the same place where Dele Giwa was blown up with a letter bomb for daring to expose IBB and his criminal cabal, isnt this the same place where Fela Anikulapo Kuti had his house burnt, his wives rap.ed and his mother killed for daring to speak out against the atrocities committed by the corrupt and brutal govt of nigeria.

Is the nigerian media uncensored ? you make me laugh. Which nigerian journalist in their right mind publishes stories criticising the nigerian govt - Go and start protesting on the streets of abuja and lets see whether you will live to tell the story of the beating you will receive from MOPOL.

Nigerians have been living under 50 years of oppression at the hands of a brutal northern oligarchy but you are in such an advanced state of self delusion you can't see it.

k9ine:

@knowall
I find it very upsetting when some persons give the excuse that afterall America's demorcracy is hundreds of years old. So this Nigeria's 'democracy' growth process is permitted.
Must Nigeria be say 200yrs old, before we can have an ideal democracy?
Can't we learn from their history and  enhance our democratic governance in good time?
Our so called political leaders (elected & non-elected) are executing an "Unwritten Policy" where by default, they can continue to steal, protect themselves & their stolen wealth, & lord it over the citizenry.

I agree.

Also, you can't really compare Nigeria with the U.S. The American system was designed specifically to prevent the type of nonsense we're seeing in Libya and Nigeria. Principles like free speech, freedom of association, assembly and the right to bear arms were put in their constitution to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical. In America, the next general election is never more than 2 years away allowing the people to punish an unpopular government quickly. Because of this, the American government has never been as corrupt or as useless as ours is now.

The Nigerian system is like Americans' bas.tard stepchild. Many of the checks and balances have been removed allowing for strange things to happen like the ridiculous salaries legislators earn. The end result is a dictatorship in all but name. Have no doubt that if Nigerians gathered in significant numbers in Abuja to call for the president's resignation, the police would teargas, horsewhip and probably shoot at them.

The Libyan system is even worse, It's actually a dictatorship by design. I really don't blame them for trying to get rid of that Ghadaffi guy. They should have done it 20 years ago. May God grant them success.

All of us should be cheering them on. For all we know we could be doing the same thing in a few years time.

cap28 said:

People like you make me sick, always making excuses for the sorry state that nigeria is in, this excuse you have given is the same one made by Obasanjo when asked by the foreign press why 70% of nigerians live on less than $1 a day despite the fact that nigeria is the 8th largest exporter of oil in the world.

Obasanjo answered that question correctly. He informed them that the ''$1 a day'' figure is NONSENSICAL, which is absolutely true.

I know you have no brains, so anything a white agency  tells you, you swallow without processing it.

Kindly inform us of the dollar price of a plate of roast yam, palm oil and smoked fish which every poor rural dweller in Nigeria can afford to eat for breakfast. I'll tell you. At least 10 dollars if bought in a Nigerian restaurant in Houston.

What of a plate of eba with egusi which the overwhelming majority of Nigerians CAN afford to eat daily? (If you say they cannot, please show us the starving, skeletal people and food aid trucks) Price in America? At least $20. So please GO TO BLAZES with your idiotic figures given you by the white man to make you feel inferior. WE are not buying it.

Are you not ashamed of yourself for peddling the pathetic lie that Libya exports more oil than nigeria - and you have the nerve to call me dense - let me say it again - NIGERIA IS THE EIGHT LARGEST EXPORTER OF OIL WORLDWIDE AHEAD OF LIBYA:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html

Big deal. Nigeria is 8th largest and Libya is 11th largest. Proportionally speaking, Libya still exports A HUGE amount for her tiny population in comparison to Nigeria. You need to go back to school since you're too thick to see this basic fact.

Look at the s.tupid excuse you are givign for nigeria's underdevelopment - high population - are you an i.diot (dont answer that cos i already know the answer)
If high population density translates into inability to provide constant electricity, proper infrastructure, good standard of health care and education then China with a population of 1.5 billiion should have condemned its citizens to the stone age

China? You talk as if China has always been a developed country. (Actually it still isn't, which is why millions of Chinese are escaping the country every year for greener pastures elsewhere, including Nigeria, as any visit to Lagos will show you) China only became a major advancing economy in the last 30 years. They've been independent for hundreds of years, so it's HIGH TIME THEY became developed. It is idiotic comparing them to Nigeria who just gained independence 50 years ago.

and India with a population of just over a billion should have condemned at least half of its population to destitution and starvation , and yet despite these countries lack of natural resources  they have still been able to provide a standard of living to their citizens that puts nigeria to shame  - why is that?

Now India is more related to Nigeria in terms of colonial history, and NO India's level of development does not 'put Nigeria to shame' at all. Nearly half India's population is illiterate. They still suffer from power cuts. There is rampant poverty, malnutrition and destitution there, and the slums of Mumbai, Calcutta, and other cities make those of Lagos look like Dubai.

So libya is a place without freedom of speech, thats funny last time i checked nigeria wasnt exactly a bastion of democracy and respect for human rights.

Fine. You can write and insult GEJ in public in Nigeria - in the markets, in restaurants, on Nairaland. Try visiting Libya and do the same against Gadaffi and see whether your Arab worshipping blockhead doesn't find itself in a torture chamber in 2 minutes.

Isnt this the same nigeria in which peaceful protesters in the niger delta were ra.ped. gunned down and brutalised by the nigerian army under instructions from OBJ in 1999

Peaceful protesters who so happened to kill a few Nigerian soldiers? Is that how they do peaceful protest in your knucklehead? That you need to go back to 1999 to find examples of human rights abuses in Nigeria shows the poverty of your argument, not to mention your rank dishonesty.

isnt this the same place where Ken Saro Wiwa was executed extra judicially for daring to challenge the nigerian govt

Aah! He's going even much further back in history! 1995! lol. That shows you have NOTHING but self hatred backing your position. Now bugger off to hell and go live in Gadaffi's kingdom, you brainless twit.

isnt this the same place where Dele Giwa was blown up with a letter bomb for daring to expose IBB

Dele Giwa? 1985! In fact you are shameless. This is beyond ludicrous. We must beat up ourselves for what happened under military rule in 1985??

Now I'm convinced you're a drunk.

isnt this the same place where Fela Anikulapo Kuti had his house burnt

Chineke God! He's still going further back. To 1976 no less! lol lol lol

You are indeed a clown.

Ok, the USA is a hellhole, and very unsafe. How can anyone visit there today?  Afterall  blacks were routinely lynched in the 1940s, and Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1963, and Kennedy was slaughtered in 1966. My God, what a hell hole America is.

Dummy dum dum!

ROSSIKE:

So in your warped mind it is ok to live in a society where you cannot speak out, assemble with your peers, or criticize the govt, or risk death to self and family, so long as you have food on your table? Do you know you actually sound very corrupt?

Boy i never knew people as flat out stupid as you existed on this planet, if you could take a minute to get your "brain" to work you would ask yourself one simple question: if Gadaffi were such a demon how come he has been able to remain in power all these years?  surely if he is this hated by his people it would have been easy to get someone to remove him, why now? why has this "revolution" sprung up at this particular point in time?

Being a complete simpleton you fail to hold your own leaders to the same standard of accountability that you hold Gadaffi - you pathetically let nigerian leaders off the hook giving the pathetic excuse for nigeria's failure as being down to its huge population and then like the st.upid fool you are you then castigate a man who has done more for his people than your own leaders will ever do in ten lifetimes.

Take a minute out to listen to your pathetic excuse for the failure of nigeria's leadership - "its our huge population" - and you still dont think that you are the one who is dense!!!!!

Look at how your own barbaric dictators have been  content to sit by and watch their own citizens live in abject poverty, they havent even attempted to solve the basics, and then you open your hole to criticise a man who has acheived more in 42 years than more than 10 nigerian supposed leaders over a 50 year period!!!!

Even a cretin with the IQ of a brick wall can do what he did. It's hardly rocket science to share billions in oil money among 6 million people enough for no one to starve. When will you get this vital point or are you truly dense?

But i would sooner have this conversation with that brick wall rather than you because i would get more sense out of it.  If it is so easy to share billions of dollars in oil revenue with 6 million people, why is it that despite recording surpluses and oil windfalls the nigerian govt  finds it virtually impossible to allow even 1% of its oil revenue to trickle down to the nigerian populace?

I can't really see the basis for any comparison at all between Nigeria and Libya. The two countries are as different as it is possible to be.

Thats because you are a brainwashed simpleton, and i am tired of trying to explain the similiarities to you.

You need to take their outrage as a lesson, ie that food, drink and free education are nowhere near enough to keep a population content in the absence of basic civil rights and political freedoms, a situation which makes their country a hell hole for them.

Is that so, perhaps the Libyans need to start relocating to  nigeria en masse just to see how unimportant, food, free education and health care, is im sure they'll be bowled over by the sight of rat infested slums, death trap roads, armed robbers, substandard schools and hospitals and grinding poverty.  Im sure after all of that they'll leave no stone unturned in order to obtain nigerian citizenship, so that they too can enjoy the freedom of speech that many nigerians take forgranted!!!!! wow you sound as if you're just recovering from a lobotomy!!!

[b]Residents say troops defect in Libya's Benghazi


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20/02/2011 21:41

TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Members of a Libyan army unit told Benghazi residents on Sunday they had defected and "liberated" Libya's second city from troops sup[/b]porting veteran leader Muammar Gaddafi, two residents said.

Habib al-Obaidi, who heads the intensive care unit at the main Al-Jalae hospital, and lawyer Mohamed al-Mana, told Reuters members of the "Thunderbolt" squad had arrived at the hospital with soldiers wounded in clashes with Gaddafi's personal guard.

"They are now saying that they have overpowered the Praetorian Guard and that they have joined the people's revolt," al-Mana said by telephone. It was not possible to independently verify the report.

Obaidi said the bodies of 50 people killed on Sunday had arrived at the hospital in the late afternoon. Most had died from bullet wounds.

Sunday's bloodshed follows the deaths of scores of protesters on Saturday in one of the most violent days since protests began sweeping through the Arab world two months ago.

Residents said tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of protesters had taken to the streets of the city to bury scores of dead killed in the last 24 hours. A witness said security forces opened fire on them.

The United States said it was "gravely concerned" by what it called credible reports hundreds of people had been injured or killed.

"Libyan officials have stated their commitment to protecting and safeguarding the right of peaceful protest. We call upon the Libyan government to uphold that commitment and hold accountable any security officer who does not act in accordance with that commitment," said State Department spokesman Philip Crowley.

Protesters, inspired by uprisings in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt, are demanding an end to the 41-year rule of strongman Gaddafi. His security forces have responded with a violent crackdown. Communications are tightly controlled, and Benghazi is not accessible to international journalists.

Human Rights Watch said 84 people were killed in the city on Saturday, bringing the death toll in four days of clashes mainly in the east of the country to 173 before Sunday's violence.

"A massacre took place here last night," one resident, who did not want to be named, told Reuters by telephone on Sunday.

A leading tribal figure who requested anonymity said security forces, mainly confined to a compound, had been venturing out of their barracks and shooting protesters in the street in "cat and mouse chases."

Clashes were taking place on a road leading to a cemetery where thousands had gone to bury the dead.

"The situation is very tense and scattered fires have erupted in revolutionary committee headquarters and other buildings," he said.

"DOZENS OF MARTYRS"

Piecemeal accounts suggested the streets of Benghazi, about 1000 km (600 miles) east of the capital Tripoli, were largely controlled by anti-government protesters, under periodic attack from security forces who fired from their high-walled compound.

If the Libyans can persevere, I will praise my God specially for them!!

cap28 said:

Quote from: ROSSIKE on Today at 09:10:10 PM
So in your warped mind it is ok to live in a society where you cannot speak out, assemble with your peers, or criticize the govt, or risk death to self and family, so long as you have food on your table? Do you know you actually sound very corrupt?

Boy i never knew people as flat out silly as you existed on this planet, if you could take a minute to get your "brain" to work you would ask yourself one simple question: if Gadaffi were such a demon how come he has been able to remain in power all these years?  surely if he is this hated by his people it would have been easy to get someone to remove him, why now? why has this "revolution" sprung up at this particular point in time?

Ask the thousands of Libyans who've escaped the country for decades and are now demonstrating across Europe and America against Gadaffi why they want him to go. Apologist for oppression. I bet if Gadaffi were black you would condemn him with every fibre of your body. Ode oshi.

Being a complete simpleton you fail to hold your own leaders to the same standard of accountability that you hold Gadaffi - you pathetically let nigerian leaders off the hook giving the pathetic excuse for nigeria's failure as being down to its huge population and then like the st.upid fool you are you then castigate a man who has done more for his people than your own leaders will ever do in ten lifetimes.

Dude, we know you're a slave to Gadaffi, and no, you cannot praise him for feeding 6 million people with 4/5ths of Nigeria's earnings. Doing that amounts to gross stup.idty on your part.

Take a minute out to listen to your pathetic excuse for the failure of nigeria's leadership - "its our huge population" - and you still dont think that you are the one who is dense!!!!!

It goes without saying that the more mouths you have to feed in a developing country, the longer it will take to satisfy everyone. Now if we were just 6 million like in Libya, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? We would all be in Abuja enjoying, just like they're enjoying in Tripoli.

But i would sooner have this conversation with that brick wall rather than you because i would get more sense out of it.  If it is so easy to share billions of dollars in oil revenue with 6 million people, why is it that despite recording surpluses and oil windfalls the nigerian govt  finds it virtually impossible to allow even 1% of its oil revenue to trickle down to the nigerian populace?

Yawwwwwwn. Far more oil wealth ''trickles down'' to the Nigerian population than you wish to admit. Where did the money come to build the thousands of kilometres of roads we have, the over 100 universities? The thousands of schools? The middle class numbering over 40 million? Why is Nigeria the largest telecoms market in Africa? Why has it got the biggest online community in Africa if as you say, ''we are all suffering and starving'' with 99% living on ''less than a dollar a day''? Why are we building at least 5 mono rails and light rail projects in Nigerian cities right now? Why do we have the world's fastest growing construction industry today?  Do you know what that means for employment prospects and the economy as a whole going forward?

http://allafrica.com/stories/200911130010.html


You really need to bugger off with your negativity. We are not where we want to be. Doesn't mean we have achieved nothing, or not doing anything to move forward. That your life is a failure does not mean others are similarly cursed.

You need to take their outrage as a lesson, ie that food, drink and free education are nowhere near enough to keep a population content in the absence of basic civil rights and political freedoms, a situation which makes their country a hell hole for them.

Is that so, perhaps the Libyans need to start relocating to  nigeria en masse just to see how unimportant, food, free education and health care, is im sure they'll be bowled over by the sight of rat infested slums, death trap roads, armed robbers, substandard schools and hospitals and grinding poverty.  Im sure after all of that they'll leave no stone unturned in order to obtain nigerian citizenship, so that they too can enjoy the freedom of speech that many nigerians take forgranted!!!!! wow you sound as if you're just recovering from a lobotomy!!!

Yawwwwn,  the vast majority of Nigerians do not live in slums, are not suffering grinding poverty, and are not threatened by armed robbers. If a Libyan were to enter Nigeria with money to invest, he would live a better, freer life than he ever did in Libya.

Why is Nigeria filled with Lebanese, Chinese, Indians, Germans, and other foreigners? If Libyans can't make it to Nigeria, it's because they are not empowered enough and lack the economic clout and versatility to invest overseas, courtesy of Gadaffi's iron-fisted misrule. By contrast, Nigerians are investing as far afield as South Africa, opening banks and insurance firms in Ghana, Kenya, Botswana. Our film industry is the world's second largest and set to grow even further, employing millions of people. Our music and entertainment industry rules Africa and is spreading like wildfire further afield. We have the largest and most highly educated middle class in Africa. We manufacture cars, buses, and SUVs (Innoson). What does Libya actually manufacture? Who are their leading lights in industry? The arts? The sciences? In Nigeria we can reel off such names, all day long. The only Libyan anyone knows is Muammar Gaddafi.

Thank God I'm a Nigerian.

ROSSIKE:

cap28 said:

Ask the thousands of Libyans who've escaped the country for decades and are now demonstrating across Europe and America against Gadaffi why they want him to go. Apologist for oppression. I bet if Gadaffi were black you would condemn him with every fibre of your body. Ode oshi.

Dude, we know you're a slave to Gadaffi, and no, you cannot praise him for feeding 6 million people with 4/5ths of Nigeria's earnings. Doing that amounts to gross stup.idty on your part.

It goes without saying that the more mouths you have to feed in a developing country, the longer it will take to satisfy everyone. Now if we were just 6 million like in Libya, we wouldn't be having this discussion would we? We would all be in Abuja enjoying.


Yawwwwwwn. Far more oil wealth ''trickles down'' to the Nigerian population than you wish to admit. Where did the money come to build the thousands of kilometres of roads we have, the over 100 universities? The thousands of schools? The middle class numbering over 40 million? Why is Nigeria the largest telecoms market in Africa? Why has it got the biggest online community in Africa if as you say, ''we are all suffering and starving'' with 99% living on ''less than a dollar a day''? Why are we building at least 5 mono rails and light rail projects in Nigerian cities right now? Why do we have the world's fastest growing construction industry today?  Do you know what that means for employment prospects and the economy as a whole going forward?

http://allafrica.com/stories/200911130010.html


You really need to bugger off with your negativity. We are not where we want to be. Doesn't mean we have achieved nothing, or not doing anything to move forward. That your life is a failure does not mean others are similarly cursed.


Yawwwwn,  the vast majority of Nigerians do not live in slums, are not suffering grinding poverty, and are not threatened by armed robbers. If a Libyan were to enter Nigeria with money to invest, he would live a better, freer life than he ever did in Libya.

Why is Nigeria filled with Lebanese, Chinese, Indians, Germans, and other foreigners? If Libyans can't make it to Nigeria, it's because they are not empowered enough and lack the economic clout and versatility to invest overseas, courtesy of Gadaffi's iron-fisted misrule. By contrast, Nigerians are investing as far afield as South Africa, opening banks and insurance firms in Ghana, Kenya, Botswana. Our film industry is the world's second largest and set to grow even further, employing millions of people. Our music and entertainment industry rules Africa and is spreading like wildfire further afield. We have the largest and most highly educated middle class in Africa. We manufacture cars, buses, and SUVs (Innoson). What does Libya actually manufacture? Who are their leading lights in industry? The arts? The sciences? In Nigeria we can reel off such names, all day long. The only Libyan anyone knows is Muammar Gaddafi.

Thank God I'm a Nigerian.

With all these glowing acheivements why is it that the average nigerian is ready to sell their own mother in order to get a visa to leave nigeria and come to the west?

I would really love to know why thousands of nigerians queue up on a daily basis at foreign embassies in abuja pleading, begging and crying to get the hell out of this place overflowing with milk and honey, are they suffering from a severe mental impairment or is it you who is the raving lunatic who has taken up permanent residence in cloud cuckoo land?

The foreign expatriates who live in nigeria do not live like the average nigerian, they earn ten times the salary of an average nigerian, live in gated communities away from average nigerians, are driven to work in airconditioned cars followed by armed guards and there only contact with nigerians is in the workplace usually in a boss - employee relationship so your attempt at trying to make nigeria look like some sort of magnet for all nationalities of people is nothing but a pathetic distortion of the truth.  No expatriate woudl ever chose to live in nigeria over a western nation unless they were getting paid a buckket load of money and that is the only reason why they are there.  You are too st.up.id and delusional to understand that you are being taken for a very long ride - i am now beginnign to see why europeans regard africans with contempt.

My life is far from being a failure, i have had the opportunity to acheive all the goals that i set for myself, i have also been lucky enough to be in a career which allows me to travel the world and see and experience different cultures and lifestyles, it is for that reason that i am able to comment objectively about political and cultural issues in different countries.  Unlike you i refuse to shut my eyes to the reality of what is really going on in the world.

YOu can't handle the truth this is why you resort to abuse, you sound very very unhappy and you project your misery out into your posts. The more you rant the more unhinged and miserable you sound, i feel nothing but pity for you.

@ cap28,

In as much as sometimes I sympathise with your anti American, Anti Western posts, but there has to be a limit, surely you of all people should know that Libya has one of the most evil dictators ever?!! You simply cannot justify Ghadaffi's actions. I find it appaling that you are pointing fingers at America!! Do you mean to say that Libyans do not have the right to sack that despot?

With all these glowing acheivements why is it that the average nigerian is ready to sell their own mother in order to get a visa to leave nigeria and come to the west?

I would really love to know why thousands of nigerians queue up on a daily basis at foreign embassies in abuja pleading, begging and crying to get the hell out of this place overflowing with milk and honey

But you sang the praises of China recently yet:

''The United States is home to about 1.6 million Chinese immigrants (including those born in Hong Kong), making them the fourth-largest immigrant group in the United States after Mexican, Filipino, and Indian immigrants.

Although Chinese immigration to the United States dates back to the 19th century, the Chinese immigrant population grew rapidly during the 1990s and 2000s. Today there are almost as many native-born US citizens who claim Chinese ancestry as there are Chinese immigrants.

http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=781

You also praised India profusely.

Here's a queue of Indians outside the US embassy in Mumbai ''begging for visa'':



http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?234897


Care to explain?

Nah. I'll explain it to you. Developing nations with large populations are all in the same boat, of their people, often highly educated (itself an offshoot of their govt's investment in education) seeking higher pay in foreign countries. Nigeria is not unique in this at all. Name me a developing country over 50 milllion which hasn't got a good chunk of its citizens immigrating overseas.

The foreign expatriates who live in nigeria do not live like the average nigerian, they earn ten times the salary of an average nigerian, live in gated communities away from average nigerians, are driven to work in airconditioned cars followed by armed guards and there only contact with nigerians is in the workplace usually in a boss - employee relationship so your attempt at trying to make nigeria look like some sort of magnet for all nationalities of people is nothing but a pathetic distortion of the truth.

Spare me the drivel. You must be in America or Sweden to not know of the thousands of REGULAR Chinese folks making their way to Nigeria and settling there, as labourers for construction firms or just to start a business. The vast majority of foreigners in Nigeria are NOT ''expatriates'' living in ''gated communities'', but REGULAR JOES with some cash looking to invest in a restaurant here, a courier service there, or an import/export business there.

My life is far from being a failure, i have had the opportunity to acheive all the goals that i set for myself, i have also been lucky enough to be in a career which allows me to travel the world

All courtesy of the Nigerian government's investment in mass education without which you would have been an illiterate stuck in your village farm like the vast majority of Nigerians were under British rule. So learn to be grateful for what you have. It did not just appear out of thin air, but because NIGERIA cared about YOU.

Bloody ingrate.

You can't handle the truth this is why you resort to abuse, you sound very very unhappy and you project your misery out into your posts.   The more you rant the more unhinged and miserable you sound, i feel nothing but pity for you.

You're the one who sounds unhappy. I'm simply mad about your foolishness. When are you going to relocate to Libya?

Latest gist is that the mad fool has scooted into exile. This is yet to be verified.
Tanks and other heavy weaponry are now in the hands of civilians in the newly liberated Benghazi.

Gaddafi looks every bit the fool and despotic Neanderthal that he is. I pray that he is caught alive and tried for his crimes in Libya. Does anyone remember how many Nigerians have been executed just for being illegal immigrants in Libya? That fvking mad brastard should be skewered over a slow fame.