litaninja:
Sir,
The benefit of a superior argument is that there is no need to resort to insults...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_Air_Force_aircraft

businessinsider.com/all-the-planes-in-us-air-force-2016-5?IR=T

military.wikia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_military_aircraft

Those are 3 different pages with the aircraft in the US military inventory (the not-so-classified ones at least)

Your A-29 you are hyped about appears on the LAST line of one of the lists as the most basic TRAINER aircraft in the U.S. military inventory.
Sure, you can modify it to carry some payloads, but don't even begin to imagine that you have top of the range modern warfare performance from LIGHT aircraft designed for LOW Threat environments.
Your country is using trainer aircraft as the bedrock of her airforce. Think about it for a minute.

Best mil unit in the world? The SAS may want to disagree with you on that one.

Enjoy your day.

Gaetz, other Congress members push for broad light-attack program

Dec 8, 2019 at 3:48 PM


Hurlburt Field, headquarters of Air Force Special Operations Command, could get as many as three light-attack A-29 Super Tucano single-engine turboprop aircraft early next year.

HURLBURT FIELD — A number of Florida congressmen, including Republican Sen. Marco Rubio and Northwest Florida Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz, have been working to ramp up a defense program aimed at using light-attack aircraft, instead of the F-35 and other fighter jets, for at least some missions.

Additionally, the letter noted that transitioning to light-attack aircraft, which would also be used by U.S. partner nations, "offers a low-cost solution to absorb missions currently being conducted by 4th and 5th generation platforms (including F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, as well as the newer F-22 and F-35 fighter jets

https://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20191208/gaetz-other-congress-members-push-for-broad-light-attack-program

Do, you mind explaining to us why the US congress is pushing for the US military to buy, adopt and deploy the Tucano to carry out combat functions that the best and the most expensive fighter jets like the F35, F16 and F22 are currently involved in?

Why? Because the Tucano can do what the best jets in the world can not do and not suited for.

Do you know more than the US Navy Seals?

Do you know more than the US congress and congressional armed services members?

I don't know why some of you just won't keep your ignorant rubbish to yourselves.

The WWII-Era Plane Giving the F-35 a Run for Its Money

RISE OF THE SUPER TUCANO

The Super Tucano was a throwback to a bygone era of aerial combat—a time when pilots looked through the blur of a propeller and pointed their nose at the enemy before pulling the trigger. A time before auto-pilot, guided missiles, and infrared gun "pods." The A-29 was fast enough to get to a fight quickly and light enough to stay there in a low, slow orbit overhead the battle.

Philosophically, the Super Tucano occupies a sort of middle ground between the United States' two main gunships. As a plane, the A-29 could reach altitudes over the Hindu Kush higher than the AH-64 Apache helicopter, and remain overhead for hours before refueling like the legendary AC-130 Spectre gunships.

But the Spectre only flew at night. By day, Super Tucano's tight turning radius and low stall speed meant pilots could maintain constant visual contact with ground forces and instantly shift from surveillance and reconnaissance to attack. And after dark, an A-29 could use night vision and thermal sensors as sophisticated as those on any fighter jet.

"It's a great plane," says recently retired Air Force Lt. Col. Shamsher Mann, an F-16 pilot who has flown A-29s. "Pilots love it. It handles beautifully, sips gas, and can go anywhere. If you want to get into the fight and mix it up with the guys on the ground, the Super T is a great platform."

Another former fighter pilot tells me that the Super Tucano provided the "low-end" air-to-ground attack capability the United States simply never had in Afghanistan—a capability the Pentagon's F-35 could never hope to replicate.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxzyv/low-and-slow

US fighter pilots sharing their experience about the Super Tucano, they can do for cheap what the F35, the best fighter jet in the world can not do.

The Tucano is equipped with capabilities to defectively deploy the same sophisticated high tech bombs, missiles and munitions found in the F35.

The A-29 could use night vision and thermal sensors as sophisticated as those on any fighter jet, according to US fighter pilots.

The US military, the most powerful military in the world saw the A-29 advantage over their best fighter jets and the US congress is also pushing for the A-29 Tucano to take over some combat roles from the best fighters in the world, but some low mentality ignorant people sitting in their village think they know more and better than the best fighter pilots in the world, the best military in the world, the Navy seals and the US congress all because you hate your own country so much, all because you are hateful, bitter and anti Nigerian.


Very sad.

NGpatriot:
The WWII-Era Plane Giving the F-35 a Run for Its Money






US fighter pilots sharing their experience about the Super Tucano, they can do for cheap what the F35, the best fighter jet in the world can not do.

The Tucano is equipped with capabilities to defectively deploy the same sophisticated high tech bombs, missiles and munitions found in the F35.

The A-29 could use night vision and thermal sensors as sophisticated as those on any fighter jet, according to US fighter pilots.

The US military, the most powerful military in the world saw the A-29 advantage over their best fighter jets and the US congress is also pushing for the A-29 Tucano to take over some combat roles from the best fighters in the world, but some low mentality ignorant people sitting in their village think they know more and better than the best fighter pilots in the world, the best military in the world, the Navy seals and the US congress all because you hate your own country so much, all because you are hateful, bitter and anti Nigerian.


Very sad.

You are missing a point here amigo. First you can't compare the skills of the USAF and USN crew with ours, they have been drilled rigorously including crazy simulations. Also, for every deployment of the USAF or USN each craft either the F-16, 17, 22, 35, A-10 e.t.c are backed by the full force of their respective organization which means behind them is the crazy fleet of aircraft carrier carrying hundreds of other beasts, destroyers, frigates, cruisers and even sometimes submarines. So you see where the real strength is coming from. A lone f35 could be blown out of the sky without proper support. There is a video on youtube of a USAF pilot that got separated with it's wingman he was almost dealt with by an arab enemy pilot until the wingman appeared out of nowhere and the arabian retreated and crashed without them using a single munition.

If you can't provide enough force in the background then at least buy aircrafts that can hold their own in action.

BotherMleeper:



I absolutely agree on the thunderbolt and the rationale for getting the A29.

My comment was in reference to a certain donkey's assertion that we're getting a "world-class" facility, not necessarily about the planes.

ok I understand

Enceladus:


You are missing a point here amigo. First you can't compare the skills of the USAF and USN crew with ours, they have been drilled rigorously including crazy simulations. Also, for every deployment of the USAF or USN each craft either the F-16, 17, 22, 35, A-10 e.t.c are backed by the full force of their respective organization which means behind them is the crazy fleet of aircraft carrier carrying hundreds of other beasts, destroyers, frigates, cruisers and even sometimes submarines. So you see where the real strength is coming from. A lone f35 could be blown out of the sky without proper support. There is a video on youtube of a USAF pilot that got separated with it's wingman he was almost dealt with by an arab enemy pilot until the wingman appeared out of nowhere and the arabian retreated and crashed without them using a single munition.

If you can't provide enough force in the background then at least buy aircrafts that can hold their own in action.

Show me where I compared skills, my point was about the plan's capabilities and the fact that the US military and the seals are using the same planes.

Does your rubbish about the capabilities of the F35 alter the capabilities and positive narratives about the Tucano.

Does, your rubbish alter the fact that the Navy seals love the Tucano and are buying more and more of it?

Does your rubbish alter the fact that the US congress is pushing the military to let the Tucano carry out some of the functions of the F35?

Learn how to read and comprehend simple English words, argue based on what was said and not the silly and irrelevant rubbish you made up.

It is not by force to comment.

NGpatriot:

Calm down son!!

Does your rubbish alter the fact that the US congress is pushing the military to let the Tucano carry out some of the functions of the F35?

It's obvious you don't know shit about these matter as you don't know the function of an A class craft. How can an A class craft carry out the function of an F class. Mention any A class jet with stealth. USAF publicly only uses warthog, and the 3 lockheed A -130 family for A missions.

Does, your rubbish alter the fact that the Navy seals love the Tucano and are buying more and more of it?

Again what kind of shit is this? They love it? They only rented one for testing of it's capabilities and nothing else!! It has long and non foldable wings, and it doesn't even have a tailhook so no arrested landing so why the fu*ck will the Navy buy it? Only USAF bought some and they donated it to Afghanistan and are using the others for pilot training!!

Show me where I compared skills, my point was about the plan's capabilities and the fact that the US military and the seals are using the same planes.
Does your rubbish about the capabilities of the F35 alter the capabilities and positive narratives about the Tucano

Yes you didn't compare skills but I was pointing it out to you they could afford flying the tin can, and no they are not using it for warfare!! The marines on the other hand that are fully backed in the background by the Navy fleet wants it to shadow them in the air because it is lightweight not because it is a crazy powerful aircraft.

No sane military would fill it's rank of craft with mediocre A class crafts where there are B, F, M and other powerful A classes.

Yea, read through your previous posts & replies. No point in engaging a troll or sponsored apologist.

NGpatriot:





Do, you mind explaining to us why the US congress is pushing for the US military to buy, adopt and deploy the Tucano to carry out combat functions that the best and the most expensive fighter jets like the F35, F16 and F22 are currently involved in?

Why? Because the Tucano can do what the best jets in the world can not do and not suited for.

Do you know more than the US Navy Seals?

Do you know more than the US congress and congressional armed services members?

I don't know why some of you just won't keep your ignorant rubbish to yourselves.

Enceladus:



It's obvious you don't know shit about these matter as you don't know the function of an A class craft. How can an A class craft carry out the function of an F class. Mention any A class jet with stealth.

USAF publicly only uses warthog, and the 3 lockheed A -130 family for A missions.
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[quote]Additionally, the letter noted that transitioning to light-attack aircraft, which would also be used by U.S. partner nations, "offers a low-cost solution to absorb missions currently being conducted by 4th and 5th generation platforms (including F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, as well as the newer F-22 and F-35 fighter jets

https://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20191208/gaetz-other-congress-members-push-for-broad-light-attack-program

Another former fighter pilot tells me that the Super Tucano provided the "low-end" air-to-ground attack capability the United States simply never had in Afghanistan—a capability the Pentagon's F-35 could never hope to replicate.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxzyv/low-and-slow

1. I clearly posted what the US congress said about the Tucano as a low-cost solution to absorb missions currently being conducted by 4th and 5th generation platforms (including F-15 and F-16 fighter jets, as well as the newer F-22 and F-35 fighter jets.

What they said is right there in black and white, but ignorant can't read and comprehend people like you with zero knowledge about anything love to make up your own silly and pointless argument while thinking you are smart when in fact you are not, you are just another ignorant joker spewing garbage.


2. A former US fighter pilot Tucano flying experience clearly stated that the Tucano has capabilities the Pentagon's F-35 could never hope to replicate.

That's also there in black and white for you to read and comprehend, but instead, you are talking rubbish and making up irrelevant nonsense about what wasn't said.

You don't know more than the Navy seals, you don't know more than the US congers and you definitely don't know more than US fighter pilots with battlefield Tucano experience. You are just another ignorant joker spewing ignorant rubbish on NL.

And the rest of your rubbish is just ignorant rubbish.

Again, I advise you to go back to elementary school for proper English and comprehension skills.

NGpatriot:

You are hopelessly lost son. Adios

I hope they will be deployed to the north to combat the terrorists fulani herdsmen, armed bandits and Boko Haram

NGpatriot:






Navy Seals don't and won't disclose anything about their combat operations because their operations and activities are always classified.

It says right there in the article that the Navy Seal spotted spotted the potential of the Tucano and fought hard for it to be adopted to provide better close air support.

They obviously deployed it because they highlighted the RESULT by saying the Tucano proved them right and it performed so well that they they bought more of it.

Nothing was omitted and I did not write the article, you on the other hand omitted or didn't read and understand the article and specifically the fact that the Navy Seal deployed clearly deployed the plans and was so impressed with the Tucano that they bought some more to add to their stable.

But lot of the SEALs classified information has be declassified continuously in the past including their mission in Pakistan that took out Osama bin laden,so how come there's no single info on the actual battle efficacy of the Tucanos?, besides do the SEALs engage in large continuous operations that would require the Tucanos giving close air support?,at the range of 1000fts you should know that those planes will we'll be with the range of MANPADS,RPGs,GPMG N AA guns so what the hell is the so much noise about this plane,if there's no just single info about the tucanos actual effectiveness in battle then certainly it capabilities are questionable.

Mahsums:
the "fine" alpha jet isn't a march against the A29 super tucano

This is inaccurate. While A29 Super Tucano truly has its advantages, it's inaccurate to say it's no match for the Alpha Jet. A-29 Super Tucano has its advantages especially when it comes to counterinsurgency, Alpha Jet also has its own advantages. There is no need comparing the two. They are different.

Deepthoughts:
But lot of the SEALs classified information has be declassified continuously in the past including their mission in Pakistan that took out Osama bin laden,so how come there's no single info on the actual battle efficacy of the Tucanos?, besides do the SEALs engage in large continuous operations that would require the Tucanos giving close air support?,at the range of 1000fts you should know that those planes will we'll be with the range of MANPADS,RPGs,GPMG N AA guns so what the hell is the so much noise about this plane,if there's no just single info about the tucanos actual effectiveness in battle then certainly it capabilities are questionable.

How the Navy SEALs transformed the Tucano into a Super Tucano

U.S. Navy SEALs often identify the very best technology and then trailblaze with it.

The SEALS spotted the potential of the Tucano and fought hard for it to be adopted to provide better close air support, transforming it into the Super Tucano.

The result? The birth of the A-29B Super Tucano and an aircraft that would prove the SEALS right time and again downrange. It performed so well that the Super Tucano stable grew.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/seals-tucano-planes-and-more-than-3300-pounds-of-weapons

Close air support (CAS) is a requirement and part of every special operations mission planning because special ops including the SEALS must be able to call in and receive air support in case of any mishaps and urgent need for air support to suppress enemy fire and effect evacuation from hostile zone. The Seals or any special ops crew can not go on any mission without close air support planning and presence.

The Seals reached a conclusion that the best platform for close air support for them is the Tucano, they tested it, they used it and the arrived at the conclusion that it's the best platform for them and the bought more of it.

Now, you are sitting here questioning the efficacy of the Tucano and how applicable it is during operations, have you not read what I posted several times where the Seals said in black and white that they've used the Tucano and it performed so good that they bought more Tucano for the operations.

The Navy SEALS fought hard to get the Tucano for air support, but you are sitting here questioning the Seal's need for the Tucano?

Do, you know more than the US Navy seals?

Have you been on special ops mission with the Seals?

Do you know more about the needs of the US Navy Seals than the Seals themselves?

What military or battlefield knowledge do you have to question the Navy seals or doubt their knowledge, skills and specials operation decisions?

This is what I just don't get about you people and your baseless and illogical argument.

You are not a military official, you've never been on any battlefield field or faced enemy threats in your life, but the folks doing this job everyday know what they are talking about so learn from them and stop pedaling your opinion, they know more than you.

They are not loading up on the Tucano for decoration.

TheAviator:


This is inaccurate. While A29 Super Tucano truly has its advantages, it's inaccurate to say it's no match for the Alpha Jet. A-29 Super Tucano has its advantages especially when it comes to counterinsurgency, Alpha Jet also has its own advantages. There is no need comparing the two. They are different.

What are the advantages of the Alpha jets against the Tucano?


The alpha jet is a jet that only drop bombs and fire guns and canons at high speed and quickly return to base, but the Tucano can do that and more and remain in the same hostile area for up to 4 - 6 hours in the air punishing the enemy with all manner of weapons, bombs, rockets and heavy cannon guns.

The Tucano carries over 3,300 pounds of weapons that the alpha can not carry

The Tucano can protect forces unleashing weapons from above for more than three hours – whereas fast jets may only be able to help for a mere fraction of that time before they need to refuel at bases that are often a great distance away.

In addition to two internal machine guns, it can bring two .50" machine guns in the wings, with each unleashing 200 rounds for powerful close support of ground forces.

Rocket launchers like the LAU-68 and bombs like the Mk 81 or Mk 82 equipped with guidance kits are two other sorts of firepower it can unload to defeat enemy forces.

Tucano has top end electro-optical and infrared sensors, laser and GPS-guided bombs, rockets, twin .50 cal. machine guns, encrypted radios.

NVG Gen. III infra-red vision capability to details like cockpit and external lights that are compatible with NVG.

The electro optical infrared system helps the pilots recognize targets by collecting images around the clock, both day and night. FLIR (Forward Looking Infrared) supplies digitized thermal imaging.

The advanced laser designator and pointer is integrated with the weapons system and enhances precise attack.

If the Super Tucano is under attack from an enemy plane, then it can unleash short-range air-air missiles like the AIM-9 Sidewinders – just like jets.

The Tucano is a deadly beast with great capabilities for modern warfare and counter insurgency operations.

Tha alpha jet is just a bomb dropper, that's all.

NGpatriot:



What are the advantages of the Alpha jets against the Tucano?


The alpha jet is a jet that only drop bombs and fire guns and canons at high speed and quickly return to base, but the Tucano can do that and more and remain in the same hostile area for up to 4 - 6 hours in the air punishing the enemy with all manner of weapons, bombs, rockets and heavy cannon guns.

The Tucano carries over 3,300 pounds of weapons that the alpha can not carry

The Tucano can protect forces unleashing weapons from above for more than three hours – whereas fast jets may only be able to help for a mere fraction of that time before they need to refuel at bases that are often a great distance away.

In addition to two internal machine guns, it can bring two .50" machine guns in the wings, with each unleashing 200 rounds for powerful close support of ground forces.

Rocket launchers like the LAU-68 and bombs like the Mk 81 or Mk 82 equipped with guidance kits are two other sorts of firepower it can unload to defeat enemy forces.

Tucano has top end electro-optical and infrared sensors, laser and GPS-guided bombs, rockets, twin .50 cal. machine guns, encrypted radios.

NVG Gen. III infra-red vision capability to details like cockpit and external lights that are compatible with NVG.

The electro optical infrared system helps the pilots recognize targets by collecting images around the clock, both day and night. FLIR (Forward Looking Infrared) supplies digitized thermal imaging.

The advanced laser designator and pointer is integrated with the weapons system and enhances precise attack.

If the Super Tucano is under attack from an enemy plane, then it can unleash short-range air-air missiles like the AIM-9 Sidewinders – just like jets.

The Tucano is a deadly beast with great capabilities for modern warfare and counter insurgency operations.

Tha alpha jet is just a bomb dropper, that's all.

I know what the A-29 Super Tucano does and what the Alpha Jet does. They are different aircrafts for different purposes. No need comparing the two. One can say that the A29 Super Tucano is ideally suited to counterinsurgency just as I said in my first comment. But no need saying that the Tucano is no match for the Alpha Jet. They have different roles.

NGpatriot:





Close air support (CAS) is a requirement and part of every special operations mission planning because special ops including the SEALS must be able to call in and receive air support in case of any mishaps and urgent need for air support to suppress enemy fire and effect evacuation from hostile zone. The Seals or any special ops crew can not go on any mission without close air support planning and presence.

The Seals reached a conclusion that the best platform for close air support for them is the Tucano, they tested it, they used it and the arrived at the conclusion that it's the best platform for them and the bought more of it.

Now, you are sitting here questioning the efficacy of the Tucano and how applicable it is during operations, have you not read what I posted several times where the Seals said in black and white that they've used the Tucano and it performed so good that they bought more Tucano for the operations.

The Navy SEALS fought hard to get the Tucano for air support, but you are sitting here questioning the Seal's need for the Tucano?

Do, you know more than the US Navy seals?

Have you been on special ops mission with the Seals?

Do you know more about the needs of the US Navy Seals than the Seals themselves?

What military or battlefield knowledge do you have to question the Navy seals or doubt their knowledge, skills and specials operation decisions?

This is what I just don't get about you people and your baseless and illogical argument.

You are not a military official, you've never been on any battlefield field or faced enemy threats in your life, but the folks doing this job everyday know what they are talking about so learn from them and stop pedaling your opinion, they know more than you.

They are not loading up on the Tucano for decoration.

well,I laugh about what you thought of me,you are certainly ignorant I can excuse that,you still were not specific about the proven display of the Tucanos in operational setting, well you said it's classified,let the almighty Tucanos come,I hope we wouldn't be disappointed,but remember the internet never forget,tanx.

Originalsly:


Nigeria having a base constructed for 12 planes. Where are those planes based presently?... what have they been doing since?....why the need for a separate base? Why contract the US Military and not a private company? The base is to serve the interest of the US.... they will always be based there... for one reason or other.... Nigeria military will never have full control of that base nor occupy all of it.

We don’t have the plans yet they are set for delivery and the current air bases we have are not equipped enough to hold or account for these new fighter jets, so we need to make a new one that has the capacity to handle it. Nigerians are already in training to learn how to use it.

Deepthoughts:
well,I laugh about what you thought of me,you are certainly ignorant I can excuse that,you still were not specific about the proven display of the Tucanos in operational setting, well you said it's classified,let the almighty Tucanos come,I hope we wouldn't be disappointed,but remember the internet never forget,tanx.

lol..

so, the US special forces love the Super Tucano for no reason, they've never tested it, they've never used it ,no battlefield effectiveness, they just love the Tucano because they are dumb and foolish.


The US Navy Seals said they've used the Tucano and they love the results and end up buying more Tucanos, but you layman with zero military or special force experience is sitting here on NL is questioning their decisions.

The US congress armed services committee members with military intel reports want the US military to take away some of the functions of the F35, F22 and the F16 to the Tucano, buy you layman here oon NL think you know more than them because you have your own NL battlefield intel and special forces experience.

The US air force have been using the Tucano is Afghanistan

Look here, the US special forces have been using the Tucano in Afghanistan for years, they've used it in battles and day and night operations.

If you are going to argue, do so with facts, sound logic instead of your own layman personal opinion.

TheAviator:


I know what the A-29 Super Tucano does and what the Alpha Jet does. They are different aircrafts for different purposes. No need comparing the two. One can say that the A29 Super Tucano is ideally suited to counterinsurgency just as I said in my first comment. But no need saying that the Tucano is no match for the Alpha Jet. They have different roles.

You arrived at the conclusion that they have different roles because you compared both of them, we can not arrive at any conclusions about different things and situations without comparisons.

They perform different roles, but the ultimate conclusion remains that the Super Tucano can do everything the Alpha Jet can do and so much more. With the Super Tucano, the Alpha Jet is pretty much redundant.

Alpha Jet is an old platform with very limited capabilities and effectiveness while the Super Tucano is a modern platform with modern war fighting capabilities from surveillance, to counter insurgency, sophisticated avionics, threat detection and elimination, it can carry and deploy thousands of pounds of weapons, laser guided and unguided bombs and rockets, advanced weapons like mavericks, side winders, paveway 11 bombs, napalm bombs, cluster bombs and nearly everything the best fighter jets like the F35 can deploy.

We are have no choice at the moment but to use the Alpha jets for roles that it wasn't designed for because we've made so many mistakes in the past, but the Alpha Jets are on their way out, we are replacing them with 4th generation multi role fighters, the JF 17 thunder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzxYQzK8Tco


Why the US special forces love the A29 super Tucano.

Afghan A-29 Drops First Laser-Guided Bomb on Taliban


The Afghan air force has deployed a GBU-58 Paveway II bomb from an A-29 Super Tucano in combat, marking the first time the Afghan military has dropped a laser-guided weapon against the Taliban.

Equipped with both guided and unguided bombs, an A-29 squadron used the GBU-58 on March 22 to destroy a Taliban compound in Farah, near the Iranian border, according to a U.S. Defense Department release.

[b]"The AAF used the laser-guided technology because of the target's close proximity to civilians," the release said. "The success comes just three months after the AAF completed training to employ a laser-guided bomb. AAF weapons personnel and crew chiefs loaded, armed and launched the aircraft with minimal adviser input," the release said.[/b]

https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/2018/03/27/afghan-29-drops-first-laser-guided-bomb-taliban.html

When the A-29 deployed and bombed critical Taliban target in Afghanistan with the GBU-58 Paveway II bomb, it was an even because GBU-58 Paveway II bomb deployment are vital specialties of the best fighter jets like F35.

Fast forward, as part of Nigeria's A-29 Super Tucano package, we are getting hundreds of GBU-12/58 Paveway II (PW-II) Tailkits: 500-lb (GBU-12) and 250-lb (GBU-58) are laser-guided ballistic bombs (LGBs) developed by Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

For the first time in our military history, we took our bright eyes to the market.

NGpatriot:



lol..

so, the US special forces love the Super Tucano for no reason, they've never tested it, they've never used it ,no battlefield effectiveness, they just love the Tucano because they are dumb and foolish.


The US Navy Seals said they've used the Tucano and they love the results and end up buying more Tucanos, but you layman with zero military or special force experience is sitting here on NL is questioning their decisions.

The US congress armed services committee members with military intel reports want the US military to take away some of the functions of the F35, F22 and the F16 to the Tucano, buy you layman here oon NL think you know more than them because you have your own NL battlefield intel and special forces experience.

The US air force have been using the Tucano is Afghanistan

Look here, the US special forces have been using the Tucano in Afghanistan for years, they've used it in battles and day and night operations.

If you are going to argue, do so with facts, sound logic instead of your own layman personal opinion.

it's ok,let the tucanos come so that boko Haram would be history.

NGpatriot:


You arrived at the conclusion that they have different roles because you compared both of them, we can not arrive at any conclusions about different things and situations without comparisons.

They perform different roles, but the ultimate conclusion remains that the Super Tucano can do everything the Alpha Jet can do and so much more. With the Super Tucano, the Alpha Jet is pretty much redundant.

Alpha Jet is an old platform with very limited capabilities and effectiveness while the Super Tucano is a modern platform with modern war fighting capabilities from surveillance, to counter insurgency, sophisticated avionics, threat detection and elimination, it can carry and deploy thousands of pounds of weapons, laser guided and unguided bombs and rockets, advanced weapons like mavericks, side winders, paveway 11 bombs, napalm bombs, cluster bombs and nearly everything the best fighter jets like the F35 can deploy.

We are have no choice at the moment but to use the Alpha jets for roles that it wasn't designed for because we've made so many mistakes in the past, but the Alpha Jets are on their way out, we are replacing them with 4th generation multi role fighters, the JF 17 thunder.

From what you have written above, I am sorry sir, to say that you have a very wrong idea of what the Alpha Jet is originally for, that's why you are comparing it with the counterinsurgency capability of the Tucano and the capabilities of other aircrafts such as F35.

See, the Alpha Jet was mainly built as an advanced trainer. If you know stages of training fighter pilots, then you will understand what advanced trainer means. Alpha Jet is an advanced trainer, while A29 Super Tucano was built for light-attack and counterinsurgency. I understand that some people like to claim that the Alpha Jet can be used for light-attack, however, it's mainly an advanced trainer in the mold of the BAE Sytems Hawk.

The Nigerian Air Force was the first Air Force in the world to put the Alpha Jet into combat. Most other Alpha Jet users don't use it for combat. They stick to its main role, which is advanced trainer.


The capabilities of the Tucano which you pointed out above are true. However, it's needles using them to argue with regard to what I said because I never said that Alpha Jet was more advanced or more modern, and neither did I deny the capabilities of the Tucano.

What I said was that it's inaccurate to say that the Tucano is no match for the Alpha Jet. They have different roles. The Tucano may best the Alpha Jet when it comes to counterinsurgency, but the Alpha Jet still bests the Tucano when it comes to advanced trainer for combat pilots even though it's old. They are for different roles. So, no need for comparison.

While it's true that we are acquiring the Pakistani JF 17 Thunder, they are not being acquired particularly to replace the Alpha Jet fleet. The JF-17 Thunder is not designed as an advanced trainer as the Alpha Jet. The JF 17 Thunder is a multi-role combat aircraft. It's more than an advanced jet trainer.

TheAviator:


From what you have written above, I am sorry sir, to say that you have a very wrong idea of what the Alpha Jet is originally for, that's why you are comparing it with the counterinsurgency capability of the Tucano and the capabilities of other aircrafts such as F35.

See, the Alpha Jet was mainly built as an advanced trainer. If you know stages of training fighter pilots, then you will understand what advanced trainer means. Alpha Jet is an advanced trainer, while A29 Super Tucano was built for light-attack and counterinsurgency. I understand that some people like to claim that the Alpha Jet can be used for light-attack, however, it's mainly an advanced trainer in the mold of the BAE Sytems Hawk.

The Nigerian Air Force was the first Air Force in the world to put the Alpha Jet into combat. Most other Alpha Jet users don't use it for combat. They stick to its main role, which is advanced trainer.


The capabilities of the Tucano which you pointed out above are true. However, it's needles using them to argue with regard to what I said because I never said that Alpha Jet was more advanced or more modern, and neither did I deny the capabilities of the Tucano.

What I said was that it's inaccurate to say that the Tucano is no match for the Alpha Jet. They have different roles. The Tucano may best the Alpha Jet when it comes to counterinsurgency, but the Alpha Jet still bests the Tucano when it comes to advanced trainer for combat pilots even though it's old. They are for different roles. So, no need for comparison.

While it's true that we are acquiring the Pakistani JF 17 Thunder, they are not being acquired particularly to replace the Alpha Jet fleet. The JF-17 Thunder is not designed as an advanced trainer as the Alpha Jet. The JF 17 Thunder is a multi-role combat aircraft. It's more than an advanced jet trainer.

Again, you must have compared both planes to arrive at the conclusion that they are designed for different roles and capabilities, I gave a more comprehensive comparisons.

Yes, they are designed for different roles and capabilities and I'm not even disputing that, that's settled, my point is, either against Tucano or not, the Alpha Jet is pretty much obsolete beyond dropping bombs.


For what we are dealing with in Nigeria at the moment, the Alpha Jet or any other jet including the J17 are not suitable and the Super Tuano can do their job and even do if better with better results.

Super Tucano can do surveillance and reconnaissance, it can drop the latest high tech weapons and munitions, it can stay right there on top of the target for horse while punishing the enemy relentless with all manner of weapons and deadly canon guns, it doesn't have to return to base base to refuel like regular jets and while it cost thousands of dollars per hour to run fighter jets while it cost on $500 per hour to run the Tucano with capabilities to fight day and night.

I don't see the NAF retiring the AJ at the moment for any reason even after securing the JF17, but i'm sure they'll have limited role and operational demands.

Again, regardless of the designed and intended roles, AJ is pretty much redundant beyond dropping bombs and can not do much to support our efforts against insurgencies.

NGpatriot:




Again, you must have compared both planes to arrive at the conclusion that they are designed for different roles and capabilities, I gave a more comprehensive comparisons.

Yes, they are designed for different roles and capabilities and I'm not even disputing that, that's settled, my point is, either against Tucano or not, the Alpha Jet is pretty much obsolete beyond dropping bombs.


For what we are dealing with in Nigeria at the moment, the Alpha Jet or any other jet including the J17 are not suitable and the Super Tuano can do their job and even do if better with better results.

Super Tucano can do surveillance and reconnaissance, it can drop the latest high tech weapons and munitions, it can stay right there on top of the target for horse while punishing the enemy relentless with all manner of weapons and deadly canon guns, it doesn't have to return to base base to refuel like regular jets and while it cost thousands of dollars per hour to run fighter jets while it cost on $500 per hour to run the Tucano with capabilities to fight day and night.

I don't see the NAF retiring the AJ at the moment for any reason even after securing the JF17, but i'm sure they'll have limited role and operational demands.

Again, regardless of the designed and intended roles, AJ is pretty much redundant beyond dropping bombs and can not do much to support our efforts against insurgencies.

This is a repetition of what you have written before. It means I still need to explain my initial point. It was the person who wrote that the Tucano was no match for the Alpha Jet that I was telling that there is no basis for comparing them as they have different roles. Then you also replied my comment with comparison of the two, and stating that the Tucano was better than Alpha Jet whenit comes to counterinsurgency. There was no need for such argument because I never said that the Alpha Jet was better for counterinsurgency.

Arguing that the Tucano was better is needless because they are not the same. Alpha Jet is an advanced trainer and was acquired to train our combat pilots for advanced military flight. Alpha Jet is not really obsolete when it comes to what it's for - advanced training. The aircraft can perform most advanced training maneuvers. The only problem is its old age. The remaining fatigue life is now low.

The Super Tucano is for counterinsurgency and any Air Force that tries to use it for advanced training is joking. The Alpha Jet is for advanced training and any Air Force that tries to use it for counterinsurgency is joking.

TheAviator:


This is a repetition of what you have written before. It means I still need to explain my initial point. It was the person who wrote that the Tucano was no match for the Alpha Jet that I was telling that there is no basis for comparing them as they have different roles. Then you also replied my comment with comparison of the two, and stating that the Tucano was better than Alpha Jet whenit comes to counterinsurgency. There was no need for such argument because I never said that the Alpha Jet was better for counterinsurgency.

Arguing that the Tucano was better is needless because they are not the same. Alpha Jet is an advanced trainer and was acquired to train our combat pilots for advanced military flight. Alpha Jet is not really obsolete when it comes to what it's for - advanced training. The aircraft can perform most advanced training maneuvers. The only problem is its old age. The remaining fatigue life is now low.

The Super Tucano is for counterinsurgency and any Air Force that tries to use it for advanced training is joking. The Alpha Jet is for advanced training and any Air Force that tries to use it for counterinsurgency is joking.

Yes, I think we are going in circles because I'm not disputing their different roles.

Fact is, trainer or no trainer, AJ is conducting combat operations, it's our main and frontline fighter, it's what we send to battle to drop bombs and eliminate insurgents.

The trainer role is pretty much secondary at this point.

No need to keep going back and forth with their obvious different roles, that's a settled issue, my point again remains that trainer or no trainer, jet or no jet, the Tucano is more capable and versatile than the AJ.

NGpatriot:


Yes, I think we are going in circles because I'm not disputing their different roles.

Fact is, trainer or no trainer, AJ is conducting combat operations, it's our main and frontline fighter, it's what we send to battle to drop bombs and eliminate insurgents.

The trainer role is pretty much secondary at this point.

No need to keep going back and forth with their obvious different roles, that's a settled issue, my point again remains that trainer or no trainer, jet or no jet, the Tucano is more capable and versatile than the AJ.

Yes, no need to keep going round the circle as you said. My point from the beginning is that comparing the Tucano with the A-Jet is needless because they have different roles. If you want to compare the Tucano, you can compare it with another aircraft designed for counterinsurgency such as the ones used by the CIA in Columbia.

If one wants to compare the Alpha Jet, you can compare it with another advanced trainer such as the BAE Hawks.

I humbly think that anyone saying that the Tucano (a counterinsurgency aircraft) is no match for an advanced trainer is making a misplaced comparison.