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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 4:44pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy: See the attached coming directly from the horse’s mouth — Ekpo Eyo, the archaeologist who worked on and dated the Owo arts. From this evidence, it becomes obvious that even in the 15th century (i.e. 1400s) what Owo was doing was not even ‘bronze’ yet — they were still doing terra-cotta. So, if they ever casted any ‘bronze’ figures at anytime (which they obviously didn’t except for reliefs), then they did so starting from the 16th century (i.e. 1500) at the earliest. So, you made the matter worst for yourself. Reference: Ekpo Eyo, “Masterpieces of Nigerian Art”, 2008, p.22. 16 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 4:45pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: Benin invasion in owo was 1400 did that stop owo to have mafe those sculptures 100yrs ago before the benin invasion I think you are the one blocking your brain with over desperation Both sculpture date the same year but both regalias are different The 3rd picture depicit an eastern Yoruba monarch which has same similar attire with the second scupture
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 4:51pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: I never objected to to this as a matter of fact both artisans are same people My only objection is owo taught ife how to make artworks but majourity of owo art were destroyed by benins As a matter of fact owo palace owo palace is even olderthan any yorubas oba palace to tell you why |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 4:58pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:According to Ekpo Eyo, the artwork of Owo which dated to 1400 were even terra-cotta to begin with. Here we’re dealing with ‘bronzes’ — a latter art invention. In sum: IF Owo later casted ‘bronze’ figures, then it must be in the 1500s/1600s. Yet we’re talking of a 1300 ‘bronze’ figure. I have obviously flogged your brain out of your cranium. Ntor! They certainly didn’t cast bronzes before Benin or did they? I think you are the one blocking your brain with over desperationNo! The regalia is exactly precisely one and the same thing. Cry! The following is a comparison criteria based on a detail-by-detail analysis of the royal regalia: (1) The textile covering the lower body. (2) The two longer and bigger beaded necklaces running from close to the shoulder down towards the knees. (3) The two or three stack of annulus-shaped neck pieces sitting quite atop the collarbone. (4) The one piece of necklace (made of small spherical beads) sitting quite atop the annulus-shaped pieces. (5) The many intricately designed pieces of beaded necklaces covering the upper body — including the chest and the abdomen. (6) And the most unique and important, the two beaded pieces of regalia sitting right on the chest. Figure (a)i & ii is the image of the 1300 ‘bronze’ figure excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom. (a)i Source: S. P. Blier, 2012, p.77. www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555237_11424577screenshot20190518174256jpeg914408e4bec15692c9e651a0b301769f_jpeg_jpeg30203ddd5168bccf1908e9c9f5a1fead (a)ii Another Angle: www.nairaland.com/attachments/11555238_11427363screenshot20200426at115936amjpegda815e1e70859f70855eca8ea386219f_jpeg_jpeg1556c8b25833645cac380aa021666e32 Based on the above set-out comparison criteria, sane folks may now compare and contrast this ‘bronze’ figure excavated from Benin Palace with the ’bronze’ figures below excavated from Ife. Figure (b) and (c) below are two different examples of ’bronze’ figures of Ife kings recovered from Ife itself. (b)www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680193_screenshot20200606161235_jpeg88b6cb1312b4cc63bab7ca95f3bba6e0 (c) www.nairaland.com/attachments/11680177_screenshot20200606160130_jpega8c506efc9844ee61b89afa5a0240dee An Edo dullard must be soaked in hot bloody tears at the moment. I know in your reply to this you will, as usual, bring up the distraction of how the crowns are different while completely ignoring the unique regalia which is not found anywhere else except in Ife. The ready-made refutation for such reply is that just as Benin kingdom does not have only one type of crowns for its kings; Ife also (as well as any kingdom for that matter) have different variety of crowns for its kings. The embedded image below is an example of a crown from Ife which is likewise tall and likewise without the signature-round & vertical front piece. www.nairaland.com/attachments/11684185_screenshot20200607101757_jpeg78a5e08cfa86f285ad9a1f44002ccdd9 In sum then, this find here is a hard evidence (i.e. from archaeology) which not only proves the early connection between Ife and Benin, but also specifically proves the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin Kingdom. The President’s portrait is kept in the office of the Governor, et al., but never the other way round. The 3rd picture depicit an eastern Yoruba monarch which has same similar attire with the second sculptureAll modern Yoruba monarchs wear Agbada , and they also possess the tall crown known as Ade Nla. In fact, the ‘bronze’ figure in question didn’t even wear an agbada to begin with. So, how does his regalia look in anyway like the one of the modern-day (or latter day) king you posted?? D Let the hot tears roll, gregyboy! 10 Likes |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:36pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: Mumu Mumu Mumu Are this dump quoting the obvious Is it not obvious to you that ife and owo shared thesesame artisans So that label on the chest should be obvious Is like saying owo artwork is different from benin artworks For me owo taught ife is artworks Is it not obvious to you that both owo and ife artwork were buried, this shows that ife and owo artwork were from one source so all similarities should be expected Are you aware that many owo artwork were destroyed by bini invasion Are you also aware that not all ife artwork that, that chest symbol was made on, so why must owo be different, owo is having it in one of is sculpture you're saying no, it is not owo sculpture Because the symbol is ife If indeed is a mark peculiar to distinguish ife sculpture then all ife sculpture should be having it nor be so Tears...... As blocked your brain Ife and owo sculpture shares thesame scarification, share thesame mark whiskers share the same colour, thesame texture, thesame face pattern Then tao11 says they shouldnt share the sane symbol because na only ife get the symbol Desperado tao11 From my observations that symbol is not for bust sculpture but for full portrait sculpture just as we dont have it in ife burst scuptures so we don't have it in owo burst sculpture, it is nothing unique to any of the two tribe, both ife and owo shared thesame artisans which is obvious Is like saying benin- owo sculpture should be different because they are two different tribe, ozwor, show me any benin sculpture in owo that was designed in a benin pattern that differs slightly from the ones in benin AreaFada2 Etinosa1234 Samuk Valirex Make una help me tell her make she tune down her desperate attitude down If she still insist that sculpture is from ife let her support are clsims with written evidence from 1475 to 1897..... 1 Like |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:43pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Owo taught Ife how to make artworks, yet Ife stopped making terra-cotta in the 1100/1200; and began making bronzes in the 1200s. Yet your Owo that supposedly taught them were stuck in terra-cotta in the 1400s (and that’s even the earliest of their terra-cotta dates). I have clearly flogged out your brain from your cranium. As a matter of fact owo palace owo palace is even olderthan any yorubas oba palace to tell you whyAlthough this does not help you because the account of the same Owo people admit to have migrated from Ife. Having debunked that, provide evidence that Owo built its first palace before Ife built theirs or 600 years suffereing for you. 4 Likes |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:46pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: Mumu.......... Yes owo invented sclpture to ife Like i said many owo artwork were destroyed by benins Yes oduduwa head is a 14c artworks made of meltal... Desoetado Check it out
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:47pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:I am glad to have rendered you repetitively useless. Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world. Let the hot bloody tears roll, gregyboy. 7 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:52pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Quoting from R. Horton: “Significantly, the Owo and Benin date-series begin slightly later than their Ife counterparts. One particularly interesting Benin date is for a brass piece previously assessed by Fagg and Dark as early on the ground of its Ife-type naturalism. Thermoluminescence tests give it a date of c. AD. 1420 — just what it should be on the premises adopted by these authors.*” ~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), p.87. Even Tinubu laughed hard at the delusions of the Edo dullard: Let the hot bloody tears roll, gregyboy. 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by AreaFada2: 5:53pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:My brother you still dey follow the cross dresser reason? Please educate another rational person or other people. All his-her copy and paste stuff Na hoax. |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:54pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: AreaFada2 Etinosa1234 Valirex Ghostwon Samuk If you ever bring this sculpture again and present it as an ife sculpture when i ask you for benin-ife evidence I will knock you desperate head, and purely replying you with insult and nothing more Because that artworks has nothing unique to ife sane way owo terracotta has nothing unique to ife terracotta head, they were not made for uniqueness they were both made for worship purpose So that symbol you equate as uniquely ife symbols makes you a desperado and a lier.... 1 Like |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 5:56pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
AreaFada2: Bloody ocean of tears have began flooding in Benin Kingod. I am wickedt! 3 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 5:58pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: Robin Horton if only knew that benin had relationships with ife But little did he know...... Afc rydee still stand unopposed |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:00pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Wake me up whenever you have evidence to counter the real world. You have suffered. I will make you curse the day you were born as an Edo. My target is simply to expose Benin kingdom to the Igbos, and I will continue to do that everywhere on Nairaland. Na me and you everywhere on Nairaland. African Proverb: An Edo dullard who thinks he is an expert at propagating lies should remember that Tao still have an active Nairaland account. 7 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:01pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Your Ryder was shattered into pieces by Robin Horton. Babatunde Lawal (1977) whose hypothesis is simply a reiteration of Dennis Williams (1974)’s hypothesis were both leaning along the direction followed by A.F.C. Ryder (1965). These hypothesis were shattered by subsequent information unavailable at their times. And Robin Horton concludes in relation to this as follows: “As regards the alternative interpretations offered by Ryder and Williams, the recent evidence makes these look decidedly improbable. By-passing Ife and looking to the Benin confederacy, Jukun confederacy or Idah as possible homes of the Ogane now seems far-fetched, to say the least. By-passing Ife and looking to sixteenth-century Portuguese craftsmen for the origin of the Benin brass tradition would now be nothing short of perverse. ... Summing up, I would say that Obayemi's critique, like the efforts of Ryder and Williams before him, has been rendered out of date by fresh information.” ~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife: A Reassessment”, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 9, No. 4 (June 1979), pp. 87-90 Let the tears roll! 16 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 6:04pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: TAO11 am cold over here in benin i need warm pussy i can keep my joystick for d nite |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:06pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:I thought you said you have an elder sister. Remember you defended you Oba when he commited incest. Let the tears roll. 7 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 6:18pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: The way you also got wet for our oba incest case That you made it an obligation to search how the sex romps began Am offering you an edo dick, you have been longing for, and you're shying in away..... Better take it before u loose it |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 6:22pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:I know better. I was schooling both you and your Oba. And I also begged the honorable mister who brought up the topic to off his mic. Having said that, did your elder sister finally agree to your advances?? Let the tears roll! 8 Likes |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by macof(m): 6:47pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy: The third picture says "King of Oyo" But this clown is too daft to see 2 Likes |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 7:32pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: You mean i can have your eldest sisted too that would be nice threesomse to compensate me for your lies Ife symbols only unique to the ife.... And not to owo, i guess the owo terracotta is also unique to the ife with the stratification mugu Mugu wen you and your brothers be....... Edo wannabe |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 8:17pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:I simply said let the tears roll, I never said let the ocean of tears roll. I never mentioned the word ”ocean”, so why all these?? Anyways, your oba remains “Ovbi’ Oduduwa, Oba n’Uhe”. Your oba proved this just last week when he was praised as such in his palace. Now, let the tears roll! 15 Likes |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 9:43pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: And you say uhe is ife i laff on your desperation Mugu you and your lazy coward brother |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 10:45pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Even the greatest liar in the history of Benin Kings (Erediauwa) admits this particular one. See attached. And I don’t know of any serious academic who doesn’t. But let’s pretend the Oduduwa of Uhe actually means Oduduwa of Uganda — at least so that you’ll be able to sleep tonight. Mugu you and your lazy coward brotherCaptain Gallwey stayed among Binis. He said Binis are first class cowards. ~ Captain Gallwey; Journey in the Benin Country, 1893, p.128. No wonder ordinary Ijaw you kept your Oba shut. 7 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:04pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: Mumum you don't believe Erediauwa story of ekaladeran but you believe uhe... Mugu Without ekaladeran would there be uhe is not ekaladeran history that brought uhe.... Anyway the original Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with ife.... It was the twisted version which you support that turned uhe to ife Uhe was a town formerly named ughoton in now benin, We have nothing to do with you people So stop forcing it, desperado And waiting for your next points |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 11:06pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Okay I’ve heard: Oduduwa of Uhe = Oduduwa of Ughoton (or even Uganda). 7 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:15pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: Ur pussy There was never oduduwa wake up from yoyr desperate feeling It's ekaladeran n uhe.... Ekalderhan story was altered by Erediauwa to accompany his motive on tackle yoruba scholars rewriting benin history Uhe is associated with Ekaladerhan he never ventured into ife untill oba Erediauwa made him to, inorder to tackle yoruba lying mouths like you |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 11:17pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:What else do you want? Is Uhe not Uganda again? 5 Likes
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Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:19pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: I want your sticking pussy i will give it to you wearing my nose mask |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 11:49pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
gregyboy:Your elder sister is in the bush. She’s waiting for your quickie as usual. Let the tears roll! 2 Likes |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by gregyboy(m): 11:51pm On Sep 09, 2020 |
TAO11: I just finished with your sister next is you my mask is still on... Lol |
Re: Ayelala Is A Benin Worship Dont Mind The Yorubas For Claiming It by TAO11(f): 12:28am On Sep 10, 2020 |
gregyboy:I don’t have a sister, but thank you have one. She’s waiting in the bush. Hurry up! Let the tears continue rolling. 3 Likes |
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