For those of you who got the story twisted, Oranmiyan was the son of a Benin prince Ekaladeran, who was exiled, he went to a place known today as Ile'ife, called Uhe (Ife) then, and became prominent there. When his father, the king died, they searched for him to become the new king, he instead sent his son Oranmiyan (who was born in the area known as ile'ife today), perhaps due to his old age, and an oath he took after his exile never to set foot on Benin again, and that was how Oranmiyan ruled Benin briefly, his father was a full blooded Benin man that was on exile in Ile'ife...the dynasty has seen previous kings before Oranmiyan came into the picture, as it was the practice that a king is succeeded by his first son.

The mythical Oduduwa falling from the sky, is as false and unbelievable as it sounds, a myth, fables... falling from the sky to become king, in a land where they had a set system of crowning kings, which is by inheritance, the firstborn becomes King, when a king dies...and several kings had ruled ogodomigodo before the Oranmiyan episode, he was not the first king of Benin, he was the son of Ekaladeran, an heir to the throne.

The dynasty, throne, greatness and glory strictly belongs to the Edo people, that's why the bronze works and artistry depict Edo culture, spirituality and heritage, most of the artwork depicted the Edo kings, Queens, and symbols, secondly no Yoruba influence in our language, culture, traditions, it is distinct...in other words, the kingdom and throne was established by the Edos and ruled by the Edo people from the igodomigodo dynasty till now, Oranmiyan had an Edo father, his father was an exiled Edo Prince, an heir to the throne.

Read the full piece by By Ambrose Osawe

Benin, once known as Igodomigodo, was the kingdom of rulers who regarded themselves as sky-kings, those whose divine rule is derived from the sky – Ogiso. At the eclipse of this dynasty, there was still no authentic heir to the throne, Owodo; the last of the Ogisos was desperate for a successor. His only heir, Ekaladerhan, being the son of an unfavoured queen (Arukho), had little or no prospect of succeeding his father as he was entrapped in a web of palace intrigues with the sole aim of depriving him succeed his father.

A plot purported to be the wish of the gods was eventually hatched to eliminate him.

The executioners, sensing intrigue and betrayal, spared his life. He secretly sojourned westward into a community the Binis called Uhe (Ife). At Uhe (Ife), he assumed the title of Oduduwa (I have sought my path of prosperity).
Back home, the last of the Ogisos died without producing a heir to his throne. During the period of interregnum, a republican called Evian as administrator of the kingdom was succeeded by Ogiamien who became overzealous and ambitious. He wanted to perpetuate Evians hegemony in
Benin. In order to sustain the age old tradition of primogeniture, the elders resolved to set up a search party to trace the whereabouts of Ekaladerhan, the only surviving heir of Ogiso Owodo.

The elders, headed by Oliha, who were opposed to the overbearing nature of Ogiamien, were resolute to invite Ekaladerhan home to take over his rightful position as heir apparent. It became evident that the system of succession (father to son) had been the culture of the Binis since inception. It is therefore obvious there was an existing kingdom under the rule of the Ogisos before the establishment of Eweka I dynasty.

It is also beyond doubt that this practice had been with the Binis before the establishment of the present dynasty of which Erediauwa is the 38th Oba in an unbroken succession since Eweka I in 900AD.

A delegation of nobilities, under the leadership of Oliha, eventually arrived at Ile-Ife and implored Ekaladerhan to return to Benin. At the time the emissaries reached him, he yelled in excitement, ‘Ewore ka,’ meaning the nucleus or the source, heart or soul of the flow will never go dry. He was assured of his safety and the hope of making him the ruler of the kingdom. The aged prince refused the invitation and promised that he would rather delegate power to one of his sons

Ekaladerhan’s refusal to honour the elders’ invitation could be subject to many interpretations. Firstly, he must have become so old that he felt it unreasonable to move to Benin. Secondly, he had adapted himself to the culture of his new environment that he would prefer to remain.

He was, in fact, the leader of the community as a result of his ingenuity and prowess in all aspects of community enterprise.

Thirdly, he probably wanted to abide by the pledge he made that he would not set his foot on the Benin soil again.

However, Ekaladerhan entrusted his son, Oranmiyan, into the care of Oliha who had promised to ensure his protection. Oranmiyan’s reign in Benin was short-lived. His departure from Benin was dictated by two factors. One, he was greatly embarrassed by the opposition of Ogiamien and his adherents.

Two, Oranmiyan’s cultural background was in conflict with the custom and tradition of Binis.

On his way back to Ile-Ife, Oranmiyan had a short stay at Ego where he impregnated Erhinmwinde, the daughter of the Enogie. This affair resulted in the birth of Eweka 1.

Femi Fani Kayode’s write up in Sunday Vanguard of May 26, 2013 at pages 20-21 entitled, ‘Who are the Yoruba People?,’ was quite interesting.

But while discussing the Ife-Benin relationship, like some others before him, he too fell into a similar error by referring to old Benin Empire as one of the kingdoms established by Oduduwa’s progeny. He also wondered how the name Yoruba came about. Mr. Femi Fani Kayode, a lawyer and former minister, is probably influenced by a vengeful clique of revisionist theorists and court jesters commissioned to deliberately rewrite the history of the Yoruba vis-à-vis Ife/Benin relationship to assuage the hurt ego of some monarchs in search of contemporary political relevance. History has today, therefore, become an intellectual pawn in the pen and armour of ethnocentrics as forerunners of empire builders and irredentist adventurers.

I would, therefore, proceed by avoiding historical pitfalls which has become the lot of some bubbling Afrocentrics who seize every opportunity to re-invent myths as favourable facts of history.

YORUBA is not originally a Yoruba word. Rather, it is a corruption of Iyoya rruoba (I have gone to pay my homage to the Oba). It is a Bini word corrupted into Yoruba which Fani Kayode queried. He wrote “yet the fact of the matter is that the word ‘Yoruba’ has no meaning in our language or any other language that is known to man.… For all we know it could even be a deep and ancient insult….”

Read full article here-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2013/06/benin-kingdom-of-the-sky-kings/amp/

Long live the great empire state.

A brief history class, to set the record straight.

Let us look at the praise names of oba of Benin

One of it is

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

(Odua of Ife is the same as Oduduwa of Ife)
Notice Oba of Benin was not called the Son of Ekaladeran of Igodomigodo



Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila


Oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title


So with your own mouth you have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed your case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of Benin was indeed Oduduwa's Son

There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

Christistruth03:

Let us look at the praise names of oba of Benin

One of it is

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

(Odua of Ife is the same as Oduduwa of Ife)



Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila


Oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title


So with your own mouth you have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed your case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of Benin was indeed Oduduwa's Son

There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

You are actually the confused one here. His write was about the true identity of Oduduwa and as he rightly said, Oduduwa is a Benin prince.

UMUAZEE:


You are actually the confused one here. His write was about the true identity of Oduduwa and as he rightly said, Oduduwa is a Benin prince.

Oduduwa was already dead when Igodomigodo had opportunity to beg ileife to help resolve the problem of chaos.

Obalufon 1 alias "Ogbogbodirin" was on the throne during 1100s before Oranmiyan used Usen as a launch pad to establish Yoruba dynasty of Oduduwa in 1170 AD to form Oba dynasty in Igodomigodo turned in to Binu . So, stop making false claims

Funny set of ifatẹ́ẹ́rù tí ṣé ọmọ igodo

Olu317:
Oduduwa was already dead when Igodomigodo had opportunity to beg ileife to help resolve the problem of chaos.

Obalufon 1 alias "Ogbogbodirin" was on the throne during 1100s before Oranmiyan used Usen as a launch pad to establish Yoruba dynasty of Oduduwa in 1170 AD to form Oba dynasty in Igodomigodo turned in to Binu . So, stop making false claims

Funny set of ifatẹ́ẹ́rù tí ṣé ọmọ igodo

the name Benin was gotten from the European Benyn

Olu317:
Oduduwa was already dead when Igodomigodo had opportunity to beg ileife to help resolve the problem of chaos.

Obalufon 1 alias "Ogbogbodirin" was on the throne during 1100s before Oranmiyan used Usen as a launch pad to establish Yoruba dynasty of Oduduwa in 1170 AD to form Oba dynasty in Igodomigodo turned in to Binu . So, stop making false claims

Funny set of ifatẹ́ẹ́rù tí ṣé ọmọ igodo

Talk facts speak intelligently, a people that had a set system of crowning kings will go beg for a king?

You are talking fables, your timeline is wrong hence your submission is false and myths, Benin empire began in AD 900, 1170 AD is about 200 years later, no Yoruba man ever ruled Benin, this is neither reasonable or logical, that a people with an established set of kingship will go looking for a king outside, and oduduwa falling from the sky bla bla bla, is all fables, the person you call your god oduduwa was a Benin prince called Ekaladeran, that is why his son oranmiyan was allowed to rule Benin only temporarily, but he too was later expelled by the king makers in Benin because they felt they needed a prince that was born, raised in Benin, his father the person you call oduduwa called Ekaladeran in Benin, is a Benin Prince that was exiled, he bore him (oranmiyan) outside Benin with a foreign woman, hence the kingmakers eventually booted Oranmiyan out.

Ekaladeran went and resided in an area known as Uhe (ife) then, and Ile'Ife today, after being exiled following a Palace intrigue or tussle...then the area was a forest uninhabited, no Ile'Ife kingdom yet, these were the beginning times, when Oduduwa or Ekaladeran's father died, he was the heir to the throne, so king makers sent emissaries to search for him, then he had became prominent in the area he settled, known as Uhe (ife) then, and called Ile'Ife now, when they asked him to return to become king after his father, because the strict hereditary system must be followed, as they already had kings and an established hereditary system of kingship, but due to old age or the oath he made of never setting foot in Benin again, he sent his son Oranmiyan to become king in his stead...our empire was earlier, bigger and stronger than Ile'Ife's.

Yorubas twisted this narrative to suite their ego, your fathers lie to you, if it doesn't make sense, it can't be true. At that time ile'ife was not established yet, the whole area was forest and pocket of inhabitants. 'Oduduwa' was a Benin Prince.

To know Edo state was ahead of ile'ife and Yoruba culture, you will observe that today, not one single Yoruba language is spoken in Edo state, all the artistry and bronze work created in Benin depicted Benin kings, Queens and Symbols, not one depict ile'ife kings or symbols, if you ruled a place you would influence them, but rather it's the Edo people that influence Yoruba. Secondly the Aworis Ile'Ife princes paid taxes to Benin warriors to gain access into Lagos, if ile'Ife and Benin had such connection they won't have to pay. Use.your head, if it doesn't make sense, it's not true. Saying oduduwa fell from the sky etc, is all fables, all the Yoruba stories shared on this topic are fables.

How can the Benin people that have had several kings suddenly wake up and go get an outside king?

Why isn't t the ile'Ife influence seen in our artworks, language, culture or traditions?

How did the Ile Ife people come into Benin, when at that point of the creation of Benin, there was no organized state in the area Ile' Ife is now, just forests and pockets of people. Are you saying Edos and yorubas are one, I don't understand how yorubas emerged in the midst of Edo people, there is quite a distance between the two geographical location.

To occupy and rule a people as strong and stubborn as the Benin you needed to wage a war and capitulate them, no such history of war between Yoruba and Benin exists.

Why are they no indegenous Edos in youruba land, and yorubas in Edo, since time immemorial. Stop this dumb talk and face reality, don't claim our glory.

Yorubas were part of the slaves, including igbos that the Benin kingdom used to build his city wall, benin moat etc. Benin people were conquerors, very proud, it will take a battle and it's capitulation for them to allow outsiders rule them, but the only people known to defeat them are the British.

You people should stop listening to fables of oduduwa coming from the sky, the person you call oduduwa was a Benin prince. Benin empire's greatness and strength precede ile'Ife, in terms of where it stretched to and influence, going all the way to Lagos, South east fringes and Dahomey.

Listen to what Erelu dosumu said about the Benin empire collecting taxes from Aworis, if truly Ile'Ife had such clout over Benin they won't pay tax. This is an interview, verifiable, not stupid fables, the strong tax the weak not the other way round. Benin people and yorubas never had such close relationship the way you people make it seem, don't steal our glory. Be proud of your own history, or is it not big or fascinating enough, lol.

Read the interview- https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

Christistruth03:

Let us look at the praise names of oba of Benin

One of it is

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

(Odua of Ife is the same as Oduduwa of Ife)



Another of oba of benin's praise names is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila


Oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was his Title


So with your own mouth you have already given the evidence that fully demolished and destroyed your case which had no legs to stand on in the first place and have confirmed with your own Mouth that the oba of Benin was indeed Oduduwa's Son

There is nothing left to drag because it is settled

You called him oduduwa, that was not what he was called while in Edo land, you are a fool, the person you call Oduduwa is an exiled Edo prince, he settled in the land called Uhe (Ife), you see him as a god, we know he was an exiled prince, this is the point of confusion for you people, an Edo prince got to a place called Uhe (Ife), then there was no Ile'Ife kingdom, no organized Ile'Ife Kingdom owned by yorubas at that point, when you people saw him living in this land and thriving in the wilderness it was then, and his prowess you took him as your god...our prince was your God and one of your progenitors, that's why you people call Edo people Omo Oba.

Show me any evidence of any such claim by you revisionists of Ile'Ife being greater, even your obas pay homage to the Benin oba, you people and igbos were part of our slaves then. Tell me, how did the Ile'Ife people enter Benin then, when there was no Ile'Ife as we know it then, it's was a place sparsely populated, the Benin empire got it's footing way before the Yoruba people arranged themselves to have any semblance of a kingdom, infact it was the Edo Prince Ekaladeran who you call Oduduwa was one of the first inhabitants of the area you call Ile'Ife today, then it was a forest, no kingdom yet.

How did you enter Benin to govern it, when you people were still bush men with no warriors or army?

You really believe in oduduwa falling from the sky

All our artefacts, bronze works, painting depict Edo culture, Edo kings, Queens and spirituality, no Ile'Ife or Yoruba influence...as you know these portrait depict the culture heritage of the people back then, and why didn't we imbibe Yoruba language.

Thirdly Edos do not understand Yoruba, yorubas don't understand Edo.

Fourthly why were Aworis, Princes from Ile'Ife paying dues to Benin people for passage in Lagos, as explained by Erelu Dosunmu in a recent interview in vanguard.

How did the Yoruba people enter Benin, to start ruling them without a battle or
Why do Yoruba oba's pay obeisance to Oba of Benin?

Uhe Ife at that point was not a Yoruba land, the Benin people have it that name, then Ile' Ife has not been established as a kingdom,.Ekaladeran who you call oduduwa was one of the first people who settled there, in effect we Edo people are part of your progenitors, you people came under us. Even one of your oba's, oba of Lagos traced his origins, the origin of his throne to Benin not ile'Ife, in an interview, or you know history more than a king?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/amp
this is empirical evidence.

Erelu Dosunmu here as well clearly tracing the roots of the kingship and authority to Benin not Ile ' Ife, these are Yoruba kings and Princess, but they know where the throne emanate from- https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/


All the things you started prove nothing and sound dumb, I expect you to come up.with something smarter...give me timelines and empirical evidence.

A slave pays taxes to the master not the other way round, there is no proof to your fables.

Uhe Ife at that point was not an established kingdom or people yet, just aboriginal Yoruba men scattered in the bushes, am talking of early as 600 AD...so a Benin prince was one of your progenitors and god (oduduwa).

Why didn't Ile'Ife able to build the type of monuments built in Benin, if it was so great, the Benin wall, the moat, the modern city state, Benin people had slaves who were yorubas and igbos to help build those monuments, you can't build soluch world wonders without slaves.

Current empirical evidence clearly shows who the greater kingdom was, the great wall, the great military exploits, taxing aworis and everyone else for access to Lagos.

Your points are hereby squashed, and can't hold, you better be proud of your own heritage and stop claiming the glory of Edos, or go meet the Oba of Lagos or an honest traditionalists to enlighten you.

Ignoramus it is of course settled, Yoruba is an offshoot of Benin.

Olu317:
Oduduwa was already dead when Igodomigodo had opportunity to beg ileife to help resolve the problem of chaos.

Obalufon 1 alias "Ogbogbodirin" was on the throne during 1100s before Oranmiyan used Usen as a launch pad to establish Yoruba dynasty of Oduduwa in 1170 AD to form Oba dynasty in Igodomigodo turned in to Binu . So, stop making false claims

Funny set of ifatẹ́ẹ́rù tí ṣé ọmọ igodo

Confused set of people. Does your newly found history make sense to you?
Yoruba say Oranmiyan is son of Oduduwa and Oduduwa's lineage sits on Ife throne. Is Obalufon Oduduwa's son?
Ife throne was founded by an Edo prince..

UMUAZEE:


Confused set of people. Does your newly found history make sense to you?
Yoruba say Oranmiyan is son of Oduduwa and Oduduwa's lineage sits on Ife throne. Is Obalufon Oduduwa's son?
Ife throne was founded by an Edo prince..

I ask you question . Did Ekarlederan lived or existed in 1100AD ? I mean during the time Oranmiyan came to Igodmigodo.. If yes, Obalufon 1 was on the throne.

Infact, it only burst Edo liars that Oduduwa was on the throne as at this period.

Obalufon is different family entirely from Oduduwa-Ogun-Oranmiyan outrightly.

Ileife history and families will tell you these. This is one of the reason Yorubas laugh at you people when you claim Oduduwa was Ekarlederan..

Interestingly, Oba Bini oriki/panegyric never claimed to Ogiso but Yoruba's praise names. Does this not make mockery of you people ?

Here are the praise names of Oba Bini with Yoruba colouration :

Appellation of Oba Bini.
1. Ovbi Umogun Oza : The child of Oba whose mother hailed from ola

2. Ovbi Ekpen N'owa: The son of leopard.

3. Ovbi Adimila: The son of Adimila

4. Ékèji Orisa :Second in commands to the gods
5.Agbaghe N'ovbi Olokun: The son of Olokun ,who is the cynosure of all mortals

6. Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe: The son of the wealthy odua of Uhe

7. Ovbi Ada,Ovbi Eben: The child of the owner of the Ada ( scimitar ) and Eben ( royal sword ) as symbol of sovereignty of Edo

8.Ovbi Ekenekene ma doyo: The son of beauty who never fades

9. Ovbi Ekuaho N'olo Ovbi Ekuaho N'olo: The son of the rocky army, the brave and the powerful

10. Ovbi Ikpinhianbo: kpuru no Gb'oduma:The son of the short fingered man that was still able to kill a lion.

11. Nohien utete no ghughe s'omwan : The king on the hill who sees more than everyone.

12. Ovbi Ogbonwan nei bun Aro:The son of the fearless, who looks without twinkling of his eyes

13. Ovbi ode ode N'ohan ren mu ete: The son of the warrior whose enemies got frightened at the announcement of his approach

14 . Uku Akpolokpolo : The mighty one that rules; the biggest stone

15. Ovbi Adolo no dolo uwa dolo Utomwen : The son of the wise judge and peace maker who combines wisdom and wealth with long life.

16. Ovbi Oven owie no gbaisi: The son of the morning sun that covers everywhere

17. Ovbi Akpogunla, Ogie no y'igho b'owa : The child of the womb of Akpogunla- The warrior who fought big wars and built house of cowries.

18. Oba N'osa = king that is god

19. Ovbi Otolo N'olomi Ologberonwon nei rie iruen ebo ayemwinre eminiminimini : The son of the water controller, the son of beauty itself, the starter of things, and the person whose reign saw people with many tongues

20. Enoniyagbon:the lord of the earth

21. Agbagbe Lo Gi'Olukun: The offspring of Olokun that we want to see

22. Elimidu :The Oro whip

23. Ogie No Gboma Adenuwuighoma : slayer of men who do not die.

24.Adimila O sakeji :second to god(Adimula igbakeji Orisa)

Sit up and accept Yoruba colonisation of Igodomigodo. As simple as at

creativehubb:

Talk facts speak intelligently, a people that had a set system of crowning kings will go beg for a king?

You are talking fables, your timeline is wrong hence your submission is false and myths, Benin empire began in AD 900, 1170 AD is about 200 years later, no Yoruba man ever ruled Benin, this is neither reasonable or logical, that a people with an established set of kingship will go looking for a king outside, and oduduwa falling from the sky bla bla bla, is all fables, the person you call your god oduduwa was a Benin prince called Ekaladeran, that is why his son oranmiyan was allowed to rule Benin only temporarily, but he too was later expelled by the king makers in Benin because they felt they needed a prince that was born, raised in Benin, his father the person you call oduduwa called Ekaladeran in Benin, is a Benin Prince that was exiled, he bore him (oranmiyan) outside Benin with a foreign woman, hence the kingmakers eventually booted Oranmiyan out.

Ekaladeran went and resided in an area known as Uhe (ife) then, and Ile'Ife today, after being exiled following a Palace intrigue or tussle...then the area was a forest uninhabited, no Ile'Ife kingdom yet, these were the beginning times, when Oduduwa or Ekaladeran's father died, he was the heir to the throne, so king makers sent emissaries to search for him, then he had became prominent in the area he settled, known as Uhe (ife) then, and called Ile'Ife now, when they asked him to return to become king after his father, because the strict hereditary system must be followed, as they already had kings and an established hereditary system of kingship, but due to old age or the oath he made of never setting foot in Benin again, he sent his son Oranmiyan to become king in his stead...our empire was earlier, bigger and stronger than Ile'Ife's.

Yorubas twisted this narrative to suite their ego, your fathers lie to you, if it doesn't make sense, it can't be true. At that time ile'ife was not established yet, the whole area was forest and pocket of inhabitants. 'Oduduwa' was a Benin Prince.

To know Edo state was ahead of ile'ife and Yoruba culture, you will observe that today, not one single Yoruba language is spoken in Edo state, all the artistry and bronze work created in Benin depicted Benin kings, Queens and Symbols, not one depict ile'ife kings or symbols, if you ruled a place you would influence them, but rather it's the Edo people that influence Yoruba. Secondly the Aworis Ile'Ife princes paid taxes to Benin warriors to gain access into Lagos, if ile'Ife and Benin had such connection they won't have to pay. Use.your head, if it doesn't make sense, it's not true. Saying oduduwa fell from the sky etc, is all fables, all the Yoruba stories shared on this topic are fables.

How can the Benin people that have had several kings suddenly wake up and go get an outside king?

Why isn't t the ile'Ife influence seen in our artworks, language, culture or traditions?

How did the Ile Ife people come into Benin, when at that point of the creation of Benin, there was no organized state in the area Ile' Ife is now, just forests and pockets of people. Are you saying Edos and yorubas are one, I don't understand how yorubas emerged in the midst of Edo people, there is quite a distance between the two geographical location.

To occupy and rule a people as strong and stubborn as the Benin you needed to wage a war and capitulate them, no such history of war between Yoruba and Benin exists.

Why are they no indegenous Edos in youruba land, and yorubas in Edo, since time immemorial. Stop this dumb talk and face reality, don't claim our glory.

Yorubas were part of the slaves, including igbos that the Benin kingdom used to build his city wall, benin moat etc. Benin people were conquerors, very proud, it will take a battle and it's capitulation for them to allow outsiders rule them, but the only people known to defeat them are the British.

You people should stop listening to fables of oduduwa coming from the sky, the person you call oduduwa was a Benin prince. Benin empire's greatness and strength precede ile'Ife, in terms of where it stretched to and influence, going all the way to Lagos, South east fringes and Dahomey.

Listen to what Erelu dosumu said about the Benin empire collecting taxes from Aworis, if truly Ile'Ife had such clout over Benin they won't pay tax. This is an interview, verifiable, not stupid fables, the strong tax the weak not the other way round. Benin people and yorubas never had such close relationship the way you people make it seem, don't steal our glory. Be proud of your own history, or is it not big or fascinating enough, lol.

Read the interview- https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

Oh I see. Yes there was a king system but not Obaship.
It was called Ogisos(hip)

I guess I am chatting with a young person to tell me there is no single words of Yoruba in Bini lexicon? But panegyric of Oba Bini mentioned Adimula. A yoruba praise name for king.

Kindly get information correctly cos I am not ready to engage in a frivolous juxtaposition from you.

Olu317:
I ask you question . Did Ekarlederan lived or existed in 1100AD ? I mean during the time Oranmiyan came to Igodmigodo.. If yes, Obalufon 1 was on the throne.

Infact, it only burst Edo liars that Oduduwa was on the throne as at this period.

Obalufon is different family entirely from Oduduwa-Ogun-Oranmiyan outrightly.

Ileife history and families will tell you these. This is one of the reason Yorubas laugh at you people when you claim Oduduwa was Ekarlederan..

Interestingly, Oba Bini oriki/panegyric never claimed to Ogiso but Yoruba's praise names. Does this not make mockery of you people ?

Here are the praise names of Oba Bini with Yoruba colouration :

Appellation of Oba Bini.
1. Ovbi Umogun Oza : The child of Oba whose mother hailed from ola

2. Ovbi Ekpen N'owa: The son of leopard.

3. Ovbi Adimila: The son of Adimila

4. Ékèji Orisa :Second in commands to the gods
5.Agbaghe N'ovbi Olokun: The son of Olokun ,who is the cynosure of all mortals

6. Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe: The son of the wealthy odua of Uhe

7. Ovbi Ada,Ovbi Eben: The child of the owner of the Ada ( scimitar ) and Eben ( royal sword ) as symbol of sovereignty of Edo

8.Ovbi Ekenekene ma doyo: The son of beauty who never fades

9. Ovbi Ekuaho N'olo Ovbi Ekuaho N'olo: The son of the rocky army, the brave and the powerful

10. Ovbi Ikpinhianbo: kpuru no Gb'oduma:The son of the short fingered man that was still able to kill a lion.

11. Nohien utete no ghughe s'omwan : The king on the hill who sees more than everyone.

12. Ovbi Ogbonwan nei bun Aro:The son of the fearless, who looks without twinkling of his eyes

13. Ovbi ode ode N'ohan ren mu ete: The son of the warrior whose enemies got frightened at the announcement of his approach

14 . Uku Akpolokpolo : The mighty one that rules; the biggest stone

15. Ovbi Adolo no dolo uwa dolo Utomwen : The son of the wise judge and peace maker who combines wisdom and wealth with long life.

16. Ovbi Oven owie no gbaisi: The son of the morning sun that covers everywhere

17. Ovbi Akpogunla, Ogie no y'igho b'owa : The child of the womb of Akpogunla- The warrior who fought big wars and built house of cowries.

18. Oba N'osa = king that is god

19. Ovbi Otolo N'olomi Ologberonwon nei rie iruen ebo ayemwinre eminiminimini : The son of the water controller, the son of beauty itself, the starter of things, and the person whose reign saw people with many tongues

20. Enoniyagbon:the lord of the earth

21. Agbagbe Lo Gi'Olukun: The offspring of Olokun that we want to see

22. Elimidu :The Oro whip

23. Ogie No Gboma Adenuwuighoma : slayer of men who do not die.

24.Adimila O sakeji :second to god(Adimula igbakeji Orisa)

Sit up and accept Yoruba colonisation of Igodomigodo. As simple as at

If Yoruba have praise names for the Oba of Benin it's because He conquered and ruled them, so it makes sense for your tribe to praise their conqueror.

The only historical evidence of colonization is Benin colonization of Lagos and half of Yoruba land and I believe your ancestors where in the part of yoruba we colorized..

Olu317:
Oh I see. Yes there was a king system but not Obaship.
It was called Ogisos(hip)

I guess I am chatting with a young person to tell me there is no single words of Yoruba in Bini lexicon? But panegyric of Oba Bini mentioned Adimula. A yoruba praise name for king.

Kindly get information correctly cos I am not ready to engage in a frivolous juxtaposition from you.

Oduduwa falling from the sky, is as mythical and false as it sounds...it makes sense for you people to have praise names for Oba of Benin because he conquered you people, and is the greater Oba, where Yoruba kings got the Obaship from, we don't have any praise names for Yoruba obas.

Please speak fact, and stop basing your argument on a mythical god that fell from the sky, you are just saying what your parents tells you. Go ask oba of Lagos and Erelu dosunmu, they are custodians of Yoruba culture. You definitely are a kid swallowing fables and folklores without empirical evidence or fact, show me anything language or culture that Edos copy from Yoruba, it is yorubas that copied our obaship, thus showing clearly who colonized who...

The artworks symbols and great monument created in Benin, clearly shows where the power is. Yorubas should be proud of their culture and stop trying to share in our glory, we share nothing with them, you people copied our Obaship...Oba' to kpe i'se. Our people have been greeting our Oba this way for thousands of years...Ile'Ife was never as strong and powerful as Benin empire.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

Only a clown will believe in mythical gods falling from the sky. No Yoruba ever ruled Benin...it would have taken a battle to overrule the already established monarchy system of the great Ogodomigodo empire, and such a battle never occured in history. Ogodomigodo and Ogiso are Edo names and words. Yoruba and Edo share no language resemblance, no Yoruba understand Edo language...how can you say Ile'Ife governed Edo, when Ile'Ife has not yet become a kingdom at that point, you people are revisionist...be proud of your history don't steal ours, everything between us is different.

Yoruba arts and crafts clearly depicted Yoruba kings and signs, and Benin artistry clearly depicts Benin kings, symbols, spirituality...none of our precious bronze work depicted Yoruba kings, signs or symbols, no trace of such inter relationship.

Benin Prince Ekaladeran is who you call Oduduwa, he didn't fall from the sky, he was born in Edo and exiled into Uhe (ife), then the area was deserted no Ile'Ife Kingdom then, our prince is one of your progenitors, so you should show respect to the great Benin empire.

Yoruba wannabes come up with this illogical story every months thinking if they propagate it often enough they would get more believers.

Yet, they worship Yoruba gods, bear Yoruba names and share Yoruba Oriki.

They even claimed that Ashipa the first first Oba of Lagos is from the Bini conquered by Oranmiyan.

UMUAZEE:


If Yoruba have praise names for the Oba of Benin it's because He conquered and ruled them, so it makes sense for your tribe to praise their conqueror.

The only historical evidence of colonization is Benin colonization of Lagos and half of Yoruba land and I believe your ancestors where in the part of yoruba we colorized..

Funny Lad. Seem you cannot comprehend my point ? Yorubas didn't give Oba Bini any praise names.

It was Bini Royal Courtyard that praise Oba Bini ancestral praise names of his Yoruba ancestry which was documented by an Author who researched it and established this fact.

Bunch of absolute liars.

Olu317:
Funny Lad. Seem you cannot comprehend my point ? Yorubas didn't give Oba Bini any praise names.

It was Bini Royal Courtyard that praise Oba Bini ancestral praise names of his Yoruba ancestry which was documented by an Author who researched it and established this fact.

Bunch of absolute liars.

If you like cry a river.. your Yoruba revisionist tales cannot change already established facts.
Mighty Benin conquered and ruled Yoruba.
The Yoruba praise name for the Oba of Benin only points to the Oba's lordship over conquered Yoruba.
Even Ibos and other tribes all praise the Oba..

Olu317:
I ask you question . Did Ekarlederan lived or existed in 1100AD ? I mean during the time Oranmiyan came to Igodmigodo.. If yes, Obalufon 1 was on the throne.

Infact, it only burst Edo liars that Oduduwa was on the throne as at this period.

Obalufon is different family entirely from Oduduwa-Ogun-Oranmiyan outrightly.

Ileife history and families will tell you these. This is one of the reason Yorubas laugh at you people when you claim Oduduwa was Ekarlederan..

Interestingly, Oba Bini oriki/panegyric never claimed to Ogiso but Yoruba's praise names. Does this not make mockery of you people ?

Here are the praise names of Oba Bini with Yoruba colouration :

Appellation of Oba Bini.
1. Ovbi Umogun Oza : The child of Oba whose mother hailed from ola

2. Ovbi Ekpen N'owa: The son of leopard.

3. Ovbi Adimila: The son of Adimila

4. Ékèji Orisa :Second in commands to the gods
5.Agbaghe N'ovbi Olokun: The son of Olokun ,who is the cynosure of all mortals

6. Abieyuwa N'ovbi Odua N'uhe: The son of the wealthy odua of Uhe

7. Ovbi Ada,Ovbi Eben: The child of the owner of the Ada ( scimitar ) and Eben ( royal sword ) as symbol of sovereignty of Edo

8.Ovbi Ekenekene ma doyo: The son of beauty who never fades

9. Ovbi Ekuaho N'olo Ovbi Ekuaho N'olo: The son of the rocky army, the brave and the powerful

10. Ovbi Ikpinhianbo: kpuru no Gb'oduma:The son of the short fingered man that was still able to kill a lion.

11. Nohien utete no ghughe s'omwan : The king on the hill who sees more than everyone.

12. Ovbi Ogbonwan nei bun Aro:The son of the fearless, who looks without twinkling of his eyes

13. Ovbi ode ode N'ohan ren mu ete: The son of the warrior whose enemies got frightened at the announcement of his approach

14 . Uku Akpolokpolo : The mighty one that rules; the biggest stone

15. Ovbi Adolo no dolo uwa dolo Utomwen : The son of the wise judge and peace maker who combines wisdom and wealth with long life.

16. Ovbi Oven owie no gbaisi: The son of the morning sun that covers everywhere

17. Ovbi Akpogunla, Ogie no y'igho b'owa : The child of the womb of Akpogunla- The warrior who fought big wars and built house of cowries.

18. Oba N'osa = king that is god

19. Ovbi Otolo N'olomi Ologberonwon nei rie iruen ebo ayemwinre eminiminimini : The son of the water controller, the son of beauty itself, the starter of things, and the person whose reign saw people with many tongues

20. Enoniyagbon:the lord of the earth

21. Agbagbe Lo Gi'Olukun: The offspring of Olokun that we want to see

22. Elimidu :The Oro whip

23. Ogie No Gboma Adenuwuighoma : slayer of men who do not die.

24.Adimila O sakeji :second to god(Adimula igbakeji Orisa)

Sit up and accept Yoruba colonisation of Igodomigodo. As simple as at

Ovbi umogun’Oza~the child of one whose mother is from Oza not Ola beside Edo has the ol word, i don’t see why it would be modified to Oz again when there is a reputable Oza community in Edo whose historical tradition traces the mother of Oba Ewuare to Oza.

Ovbi’Ekpen’owa~the child of the home leopard. Ovbi is child in Edo. Ekpen is leopard in Edo, it’s not the same with Yoruba, Owa is house in Edo. I don’t think it is the same with yoruba which is Ile.

Ovbi Adimula ~Again Ovbi means child in Edo, Adimula is the strange word. But again some historians has traced Uhe to Igala which is a Yoruboid language.

Abieyuwa N’Ovbi’Odua’N’Uhe~Abieyuwa is a full Edo word, the literal translation is the one wey dem born inside wealth, it cannot be interpreted in another language, it has its life in Edo. Ovbi as i have explained before is a word for child in Edo . Again the word Odua and Uhe is not certain to have come from Ife. Some historians has traced this Odua and Uhe to the middlebelt which seem to be more plausible than Ife.

Ovbi Ada,Ovbi Eben, ~ Ovbi i say again is a word for child in Edo. Ada and Eben are scepters of authority in the palace of the Oba of Benin.

Ovbi Ekene kene ma deyo ~ Ovbi i say again is the word for child in Edo. Deyo as a word is used to refer to putting something off. Ya du kpa ni yo means go and put off that light. Do-eyo directly means put it off. Ma deyo. Means it did not go off. Ma negates the activity of deyo. That is where never fades comes into play. Ekene kene seem to be something associated with beauty that is only used in relation to the Oba of Benin.

Ovbi Ekuaho n’Olo Ovbi Ekuabo n’Olo~ the brave and powerful, the rocky arm. It is actually the other way round. OBO means hand in Edo Ekuabo means a mighty or rocky hand.


Ovbi Ikpianbo kpuru no gbo oduma ~ The son of the short fingered man who killed a lion. -Obo is hand in Edo, ikpianbo means little part of the hand. Kpuru means to be brief or short in Edo. No gbe oduma means the one that killed a lion. The Oduma in Yoruba totally mean something strange and it is not related to lion.

Nohien utete no ghughe sowman ~ to hien is to climb, Utete is a high place which gives one an edge of overseeing everything above everyone. Ughe means to look. Ghughe is an action word which means looking. Se is an Edoid word for better, bigger etc. that is where the Urhobo “Ose “ is from. Example Ikhian Tu ma no Ose maya. I am going to cry to someone that is beyond me and you whether by virtue of age, status, etc. owman is the word for a human being in Edo. Basically It literally translates to the one that climbs a high place and see better than everyone.

Ovbi Oghonwman nei bun Aro- the literal translation in Edo means the child of the one who looks at someone with out batting his eyelid. Which then translates to mean the one who is fearless.

Ovbi Ode Ode no’han ren mu ete~ Ode Ode as a word here is a symbolic expression. It means “he dae come “ he dae come” . It’s a symbolic expression that describes one whom everyone watches out for and is afraid of. Ohan means fear in Edo. Ete is like an enemy or set of persons not desired.


Uku Akpokpolo ~ kpolo is a word for big in Edo. Eg Osakpolor ~means God is big, Edokpolor~Means Edo is big, etc Uku is an igbo word word for great.

Obvi Adolo no dolo uwa dolo utowmen ~ the child of Adolo that brings wealth and longevity. Ovbi again is an Edo word for child. Adolor is an Edo name, it means the one that repairs literally, Uwa is wealth in Edo language, Utowmen is longevity.

Ovbi Oven Owie no’gbaisi-ovbi is child in Edo, Oven is sun in Edo, Owie is sun in Edo, nogbaisi is also an Edo interpretation. It means whose influence is felt everywhere.

Agbaghe N’Ovbi’Olokun~ the literal translation of Agbaghe means let us go and look together . Ovbi’Olokun. ~the son or child of Olokun. It’s a full Edo word

There is nothing like Enoniyangbon. It’s Enoyangbon. It is a full Edo which means the owner of the world.

Elimidu~ i did not see this one online, I even checked, if for any reason, it is part of it, it is not even close to the nonsense you wrote there, it would forever be close to the Edo Eriwmin ~du and the Esan Eliwmin~du which means a son of the spirit of the land.

Ogie No gbo wman Ede nuwukhowman ~ the meaning of it is the king who kills someone when that person is not ready to die.

Ovbi akpogunla , ogie no yi gho b’owa ~Ovbi means child in Benin, akpogunla is the strange word there, Ogle no yi gho bowa is a full Edo word, the king that builds his house with money. Which can further be interpreted to mean the one who decorated his house with money. Cowries in those days.


Ovbi' otolo n'olomi; Ologberonmwon nei rie iruen, ebo, ayemwinre eminiminimini. Some parts of this word is strange. Ovbi , nei rie iruen , Ebo, ayewminre, eminimini mini. Ologberowmon, Are all Edo words. because of the 90 percent comprehension that can be gotten from this word, I would assume the other one is an ancient Edoid word lost in history. ~

The literal sensible translation to this is ~ the son of the water controller, the son of beauty himself, the starter of things and the person whose reign left many people in awe.

These are Edo words that cannot be translated or interpreted by Yoruba. If not that it’s scattered over the internet which you copied from and made your selfish modifications to suit your selfish narrative.

There are two of them which are Yoruboid and it certainly came from the middlebelt which is Igala which so 4 and 24.

All those wordings are all Edo save for 4 and 24 s

laiperi:
Yoruba wannabes come up with this illogical story every months thinking if they propagate it often enough they would get more believers.

Yet, they worship Yoruba gods, bear Yoruba names and share Yoruba Oriki.

They even claimed that Ashipa the first first Oba of Lagos is from the Bini conquered by Oranmiyan.

Yorubas were our slaves then, that's why they have praise names for oba of Benin, we have no praise names for Yoruba oba's. Be proud of your heritage, we share nothing...we are your masters.

No Yoruba understand Edo language, igodomigodo is an Edo word, Ogiso is an Edo word, even your oba's know we extended the obaship to Yoruba, that's why aworis paid dues to Benin empire to access Lagos. Know your master, and stop coining nonsense and foolish meaningless words. Yoruba people are the one trying to identify with Benin empire, we are proud of our culture and history,we want nothing to do with you people. You guys are history revisionist, with your weak ile'ife, no monuments, no glory, no strength...how can the weak conquer the strong

Ologbo147:
Ovbi umogun’Oza~the child of one whose mother is from Oza not Ola beside Edo has the ol word, i don’t see why it would be modified to Oz again when there is a reputable Oza community in Edo whose historical tradition traces the mother of Oba Ewuare to Oza.

Ovbi’Ekpen’owa~the child of the home leopard. Ovbi is child in Edo. Ekpen is leopard in Edo, it’s not the same with Yoruba, Owa is house in Edo. I don’t think it is the same with yoruba which is Ile.

Ovbi Adimula ~Again Ovbi means child in Edo, Adimula is the strange word. But again some historians has traced Uhe to Igala which is a Yoruboid language.

Abieyuwa N’Ovbi’Odua’N’Uhe~Abieyuwa is a full Edo word, the literal translation is the one wey dem born inside wealth, it cannot be interpreted in another language, it has its life in Edo. Ovbi as i have explained before is a word for child in Edo . Again the word Odua and Uhe is not certain to have come from Ife. Some historians has traced this Odua and Uhe to the middlebelt which seem to be more plausible than Ife.

Ovbi Ada,Ovbi Eben, ~ Ovbi i say again is a word for child in Edo. Ada and Eben are scepters of authority in the palace of the Oba of Benin.

Ovbi Ekene kene ma deyo ~ Ovbi i say again is the word for child in Edo. Deyo as a word is used to refer to putting something off. Ya du kpa ni yo means go and put off that light. Do-eyo directly means put it off. Ma deyo. Means it did not go off. Ma negates the activity of deyo. That is where never fades comes into play. Ekene kene seem to be something associated with beauty that is only used in relation to the Oba of Benin.

Ovbi Ekuaho n’Olo Ovbi Ekuabo n’Olo~ the brave and powerful, the rocky arm. It is actually the other way round. OBO means hand in Edo Ekuabo means a mighty or rocky hand.


Ovbi Ikpianbo kpuru no gbo oduma ~ The son of the short fingered man who killed a lion. -Obo is hand in Edo, ikpianbo means little part of the hand. Kpuru means to be brief or short in Edo. No gbe oduma means the one that killed a lion. The Oduma in Yoruba totally mean something strange and it is not related to lion.

Nohien utete no ghughe sowman ~ to hien is to climb, Utete is a high place which gives one an edge of overseeing everything above everyone. Ughe means to look. Ghughe is an action word which means looking. Se is an Edoid word for better, bigger etc. that is where the Urhobo “Ose “ is from. Example Ikhian Tu ma no Ose maya. I am going to cry to someone that is beyond me and you whether by virtue of age, status, etc. owman is the word for a human being in Edo. Basically It literally translates to the one that climbs a high place and see better than everyone.

Ovbi Oghonwman nei bun Aro- the literal translation in Edo means the child of the one who looks at someone with out batting his eyelid. Which then translates to mean the one who is fearless.

Ovbi Ode Ode no’han ren mu ete~ Ode Ode as a word here is a symbolic expression. It means “he dae come “ he dae come” . It’s a symbolic expression that describes one whom everyone watches out for and is afraid of. Ohan means fear in Edo. Ete is like an enemy or set of persons not desired.


Uku Akpokpolo ~ kpolo is a word for big in Edo. Eg Osakpolor ~means God is big, Edokpolor~Means Edo is big, etc Uku is an igbo word word for great.

Obvi Adolo no dolo uwa dolo utowmen ~ the child of Adolo that brings wealth and longevity. Ovbi again is an Edo word for child. Adolor is an Edo name, it means the one that repairs literally, Uwa is wealth in Edo language, Utowmen is longevity.

Ovbi Oven Owie no’gbaisi-ovbi is child in Edo, Oven is sun in Edo, Owie is sun in Edo, nogbaisi is also an Edo interpretation. It means whose influence is felt everywhere.

Agbaghe N’Ovbi’Olokun~ the literal translation of Agbaghe means let us go and look together . Ovbi’Olokun. ~the son or child of Olokun. It’s a full Edo word

There is nothing like Enoniyangbon. It’s Enoyangbon. It is a full Edo which means the owner of the world.

Elimidu~ i did not see this one online, I even checked, if for any reason, it is part of it, it is not even close to the nonsense you wrote there, it would forever be close to the Edo Eriwmin ~du and the Esan Eliwmin~du which means a son of the spirit of the land.

Ogie No gbo wman Ede nuwukhowman ~ the meaning of it is the king who kills someone when that person is not ready to die.

Ovbi akpogunla , ogie no yi gho b’owa ~Ovbi means child in Benin, akpogunla is the strange word there, Ogle no yi gho bowa is a full Edo word, the king that builds his house with money. Which can further be interpreted to mean the one who decorated his house with money. Cowries in those days.


Ovbi' otolo n'olomi; Ologberonmwon nei rie iruen, ebo, ayemwinre eminiminimini. Some parts of this word is strange. Ovbi , nei rie iruen , Ebo, ayewminre, eminimini mini. Ologberowmon, Are all Edo words. because of the 90 percent comprehension that can be gotten from this word, I would assume the other one is an ancient Edoid word lost in history. ~

The literal sensible translation to this is ~ the son of the water controller, the son of beauty himself, the starter of things and the person whose reign left many people in awe.

These are Edo words that cannot be translated or interpreted by Yoruba. If not that it’s scattered over the internet which you copied from and made your selfish modifications to suit your selfish narrative.

There are two of them which are Yoruboid and it certainly came from the middlebelt which is Igala which so 4 and 24.

All those wordings are all Edo save for 4 and 24 s

There are words inter woven inthe praise as loan words. Ogun is a Yoruba aname.

I made selfish modification? How ?
Many of these praises are of Oba Bini Courryard and not mine.

Olokun is full Edo word ? Itis a Yoruba word oo with so many evidence. Olokun is Lord of the who had a daughter Aje. Beside, Ifa is also Olokun (Asorodayo)

There is Gwatto account documented in 1485/86 by European traders with Bini Kingdom that stated Oken Olokun is chief of Gwatto and priest of Olokun ( -Barros, J.D. Da Asia (Lisbon, 1552)
appropiation who was a descendant of Ekarlederan who founded Gwatto and died there

Beside those irregularities in lettering are natural typo error so, it does not count. As far as those praise exist.

Are you aware there was early 1900s account by Richard. E. Dennett; which support the fact that Oba Bini ascertained he was one of the praisename of Oduduwa Adimula Igbakeji Orisa ? These praises are forever praises of Yoruba King in Igodomigodo turned Bini Land.

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Olu317:
There are words inter woven inthe praise as loan words. Ogun is a Yoruba aname.

I made selfish modification? How ?
Many of these praises are of Oba Bini Courryard and not mine.

Olokun is full Edo word ? Itis a Yoruba word oo with so many evidence. Olokun is Lord of the who had a daughter Aje. Beside, Ifa is also Olokun (Asorodayo)

There is Gwatto account documented in 1485/86 by European traders with Bini Kingdom that stated Oken Olokun is chief of Gwatto and priest of Olokun ( -Barros, J.D. Da Asia (Lisbon, 1552)
appropiation who was a descendant of Ekarlederan who founded Gwatto and died there

Beside those irregularities in lettering are natural typo error so, it does not count. As far as those praise exist.

Are you aware there was early 1900s account by Richard. E. Dennett; which support the fact that Oba Bini ascertained he was one of the praisename of Oduduwa Adimula Igbakeji Orisa ? These praises are forever praises of Yoruba King in Igodomigodo turned Bini Land.

Enjoy these fact

Ogun must have been a god borrowed into the Edo socio-religious lifestyle long before the Oba emerged on the throne. The Oza as a word there is Oza through and through. The fact that Ogun was borrowed does not change the fact that this statement is referring to Oza.


Well as for the Olokun, the Urhonigbe people does not agree with you that it was borrowed, other eastern Bini traditions seem to corroborate where their Olokun worship came from. To them, Olokun is the lifeblood of Urhonigbe town just as Nile is to Egypt.

The worship of Olokun in Urhonigbe land is far older than the One for Ughoton. In fact the biggest Olokun shrine in Edo state is in Urhonigbe. Urhonigbe as also a town historically and in age is also prime years above Ughoton.

You can see some of your mutilations below. What is Logi’olokun. Basically all websites online presented it as Ovbi Olokun. Is it the Elimidu that i have basically not seen online before. Is it the several words you mutilated that you obviously cannot interpret if not for the fact that it is online where you copied verbatim from.

You can see how i dissected it syllables by syllables. Your modifications are vivid below, what is Enoniyangbon. There is no better word for desperation my brother

Olu317:
There are words inter woven inthe praise as loan words. Ogun is a Yoruba aname.

I made selfish modification? How ?
Many of these praises are of Oba Bini Courryard and not mine.

Olokun is full Edo word ? Itis a Yoruba word oo with so many evidence. Olokun is Lord of the who had a daughter Aje. Beside, Ifa is also Olokun (Asorodayo)

There is Gwatto account documented in 1485/86 by European traders with Bini Kingdom that stated Oken Olokun is chief of Gwatto and priest of Olokun ( -Barros, J.D. Da Asia (Lisbon, 1552)
appropiation who was a descendant of Ekarlederan who founded Gwatto and died there

Beside those irregularities in lettering are natural typo error so, it does not count. As far as those praise exist.

Are you aware there was early 1900s account by Richard. E. Dennett; which support the fact that Oba Bini ascertained he was one of the praisename of Oduduwa Adimula Igbakeji Orisa ? These praises are forever praises of Yoruba King in Igodomigodo turned Bini Land.

Enjoy these fact

You are trying so hard to be a part of of the great empire, talk about your ile'ife, or it's not great enough, lol. All you are saying is gibberish. We don't share anything with Yoruba, you people are under us, the oba title was borrowed from Edo state, and none of our languages are similar, if we had such close relationship, we will share at least one language...but no Yoruba understand our language. Stop making a fool of yourself. You are saying gibberish. We are talking of an empire that has existed more than 5000 years, you are taking about 1900. You people were actually our slaves. Olokun is not a Bini word, we don't use same words...stop talking nonsense, you are sounding dumb. Benin and Yoruba words as as different as oil and water, they don't sound similar at all.

Give me only 3 words that both culture share, only 3...the Benin empire had risen when ile'Ife was still a wilderness, your junk fables of oduduwa falling from the sky can only be belived by fools and desperate revisionist trying to share in the glory of the great Benin empire.

Go and ask oba of Lagos and erelu dosunmu of Lagos, they know more than your father feeding you with fables.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://m.facebook.com/112331836013444/photos/a.112747775971850/163353094244651/?type=3

The person you call oduduwa was a Benin prince, click the link and read for yourself what a Yoruba oba said, you are talking nonsense, you lay man.

creativehubb:

You are trying so hard to be a part of of the great empire, talk about your ile'ife, or it's not great enough, lol. All you are saying is gibberish. We don't share anything with Yoruba, you people are under us, the oba title was borrowed from Edo state, and none of our languages are similar, if we had such close relationship, we will share at least one language...but no Yoruba understand our language. Stop making a fool of yourself. You are saying gibberish. We are talking of an empire that has existed more than 5000 years, you are taking about 1900. You people were actually our slaves. Olokun is not a Bini word, we don't use same words...stop talking nonsense, you are sounding dumb. Benin and Yoruba words as as different as oil and water, they don't sound similar at all.

Give me only 3 words that both culture share, only 3...the Benin empire had risen when ile'Ife was still a wilderness, your junk fables of oduduwa falling from the sky can only be belived by fools and desperate revisionist trying to share in the glory of the great Benin empire.

Go and ask oba of Lagos and erelu dosunmu of Lagos, they know more than your father feeding you with fables.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

https://m.facebook.com/112331836013444/photos/a.112747775971850/163353094244651/?type=3

The person you call oduduwa was a Benin prince, click the link and read for yourself what a Yoruba oba said, you are talking nonsense, you lay man.

Where did the Benins migrate from?
Where are the ogisos from?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zpvckqt/articles/z3n7mp3#:~:text=In%20the%201100s%20the%20Ogisos,the%20first%20Oba%20of%20Benin.

Jogs1900:


Where did the Benins migrated from?
Where are the ogisos from?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zpvckqt/articles/z3n7mp3#:~:text=In%20the%201100s%20the%20Ogisos,the%20first%20Oba%20of%20Benin.

How can someone older than you, come from you, are you a fool?


Go share these nonsense with fools like yourself, anyone can post anything on the internet, listen to the interview of oba of Lagos, how can we come from you and not share anything with you, even oppress you and our soldiers ransacked Lagos and took control. Stop peddling lies. We share nothing in common with Yoruba otherwise the language and symbols will be similar. The only relationship we had with you, was a Benin Prince you made your god or deity and called oduduwa. You are a fool, if you think we are that linked with yorubas and share no language, no common heritage and today you can't find indegenous Edo people in Yoruba land or vice versa. You people were our slaves. This revisionist theory was created by your foolish father's to deceive idiots like you. Think mumu.

How can you be the top tribe or kingdom and still being oppressed by Benin, how can you be the top tribe and yet you couldn't achieve the greatness achieved by the kingdom. Look at Benin and Yoruba people, do the look similar to you, fool

The difference is like oil and water, stop showing me texts and pages uploaded by Yoruba liars like you, nothing join Yoruba and Benin, only our prince that sojourned and became your oduduwa. We have had several oba's before the oranmiyan episode. Fool said we come from Yoruba but don't understand same language. Stop disgracing Yoruba people with your stupidity.

How old is Yoruba race, how old is Benin that we will come from you

Are you saying we are from same progenitors, if yes, so why do we look different and our mannerisms different?

Why don't we speak any Yoruba language?

Why ain't any of our bronze works depicting Yoruba gods or kings?

How did yorubas come into our region, was it an invasion, conquest or the mythical oduduwa

Only fools believe in myths, show me empirical evidence, something reasonable.

Fool.

Show me one similarity between Benin and yorubas?

This is what Erelu dosunmu a Yoruba Chief in Lagos said, read for yourself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

creativehubb:

How can someone older than you, come from you, are you fool?


Go share these nonsense with fools like yourself, anyone can post anything on the internet, listen to the interview of oba of Lagos, how can we come from you and not share anything with you, even oppress you and our soldiers ransacked Lagos and took control. Stop peddling lies. We share nothing in common with Yoruba otherwise the language and symbols will be similar. The only relationship we had with you, was a Benin Prince you made your god or dirty and called oduduwa. You are a fool, if you think we are that linked with yorubas and share no language, no common heritage and today you can't find indegenous Edo people in Yoruba land or vice versa. You people were our slaves. This revisionist theory was created by your foolish father's to deceive idiots like you. Think mumu.

How can you be the top tribe or kingdom and still being oppressed by Benin, how can you be the top tribe and yet you couldn't achieve the greatness achieved by the kingdom. Look at Benin and Yoruba people, do the look similar to you, fool

The difference is like oil and water, stop showing me texts and pages uploaded by Yoruba liars like you, nothing join Yoruba and Benin, only our prince that sojourned and became your oduduwa. We have had several oba's before the oranmiyan episode. Fool said we come from Yoruba but don't understand same language. Stop disgracing Yoruba people with your stupidity.

How old is Yoruba race, how old is Benin that we will come from you

Fool.

Show me one similarity between Benin and yorubas?

This is what Erelu dosunmu a Yoruba Chief in Lagos said, read for yourself.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/

I won't dignify you with any response again..This is meant to be a learning resort...I have ties to Benin kingdom...
Benins are known to be logical but you are not..
We are both relying on accounts of what they wrote after all non of us was born as far back as 15th century but you are not.You talk as if you've been around since when both kingdoms were founded.
You believed what Erelu said because it agend with your agenda ba? Continue but meanwhile, not all Yorubas are from ife Kingdom. Moreover, the same way there were Ogisos before Oranmiyan in Benin was the same way there were rulers in Ile Ife before Oduduwa.

I'm done with you.

Jogs1900:

I won't dignify you with any response again..This is meant to be a learning resort...I have ties to Benin kingdom...
Benins are known to be logical but you are not..
We are both relying on accounts of what they wrote after all non of us was born as far back as 15th century but you are not.You talk as if you've been around since when both kingdoms were founded.
You believed what Erelu said because it agend with your agenda ba? Continue but meanwhile, not all Yorubas are from ife Kingdom. Moreover, the same way there were Ogisos before Oranmiyan in Benin was the same way there were rulers in Ile Ife before Oduduwa.

I'm done with you.

You people took our exiled prince to be your god, and called him oduduwa, you believe oduduwa fall from the sky, does that make sense to you, using myths as facts

Why was Benin taxing people to access trade routes into Lagos, and not ile'Ife princes Aworis, since you claim Benin Obaship dynasty is an offshoot of Ile'Ife?

Why don't we share a common language or lexicon if truly we share such relationship?

Why is the culture different?

The music different, no similarities at all...

What made Ile'Ife king leave Benin, a fortified wealthy city empire state?

Why didn't any of our bronze works symbolize ile'Ife dynasty or Yoruba symbols and culture, but all our priceless bronze works thousands of years old stolen by the British, all symbolize Benin kings, cultures, traditions, and symbols... artworks are a window into history, and normally bear images of the king, ruling culture etc...

How did ile'Ife people come into our region, through conquest or what...don't tell me that oduduwa mythical nonsense.

Fact is the strong oppress the weak, if not for the British, yorubas and other tribes will still be paying us obescence till today and paying us to access trading routes.

British colonized Nigeria, we speak English, France colonized cameroun they speak french...what are the traces of our close knit relationship like you claim?

Our culture, language, mentality, mannerisms, arts, symbols are different, so you mean ile'ife left no traces of it's rule or what?

You revisionist theives want to steal our glory...come up with more evidence. Edo and Yoruba are as different as oil and water, we are similar to bayelsans, Delta people, you can see the similarities in the mannerisms and lexicon. We and Yoruba have no similarities at all, you people were our subjects...Edo people never said we created Yoruba race or kingdom, but our prince was a prominent ruler in Yoruba land, and the son he had there became a king in Benin, and being the stronger empire we wield influence and controlled the entire southern sphere...we are proud of our culture and we don't steal other people's culture, but you yorubas have been claiming our culture and kingship. Be proud of your people.

creativehubb:

You people took our exiled prince to be your god, and called him oduduwa, you believe oduduwa fall from the sky, does that make sense to you, using myths as facts

Why was Benin taxing people to access trade routes into Lagos, and not ile'Ife princes Aworis, since you claim Benin Obaship dynasty is an offshoot of Ile'Ife?

Why don't we share a common language or lexicon if truly we share such relationship?

Why is the culture different?

The music different, no similarities at all...

What made Ile'Ife king leave Benin, a fortified wealthy city empire state?

Why didn't any of our bronze works symbolize ile'Ife dynasty or Yoruba symbols and culture, but all our priceless bronze works thousands of years old stolen by the British, all symbolize Benin kings, cultures, traditions, and symbols... artworks are a window into history, and normally bear images of the king, ruling culture etc...

How did ile'Ife people come into our region, through conquest or what...don't tell me that oduduwa mythical nonsense.

Fact is the strong oppress the weak, if not for the British, yorubas and other tribes will still be paying us obescence till today and paying us to access trading routes.

British colonized Nigeria, we speak English, France colonized cameroun they speak french...what are the traces of our close knit relationship like you claim?

Our culture, language, mentality, mannerisms, arts, symbols are different, so you mean ile'ife left no traces of it's rule or what?

You revisionist theives want to steal our glory...come up with more evidence. Edo and Yoruba are as different as oil and water, we are similar to bayelsans, Delta people, you can see the similarities in the mannerisms and lexicon. We and Yoruba have no similarities at all, you people were our subjects...Edo people never said we created Yoruba race or kingdom, but our prince was a prominent ruler in Yoruba land, and the son he had there became a king in Benin, and being the stronger empire we wield influence and controlled the entire southern sphere...we are proud of our culture and we don't steal other people's culture, but you yorubas have been claiming our culture and kingship. Be proud of your people.

Where are the ogisos from?
Ijebus too were collecting taxes from traders from the hinterland to access Lagos markets.
Itshekiris see themselves as Yorubas and no tribe is more Deltan than itshekiris.
Itshekiris bear Yoruba names likewise Benins.Ask an itshekiri to read numbers 1 to 20 in their dialect and compare it with Yoruba own

Jogs1900:

Where are the ogisos from?
Ijebus too were collecting taxes from traders from the hinterland to access Lagos markets.
Itshekiris see themselves as Yorubas and no tribe is more Deltan than itshekiris.
Itshekiris bear Yoruba names likewise Benins.

Benin traditional names do not sound Yoruba at all, maybe a few Benin people who have influence in south west or just chose to give their kids Yoruba names, but Benin traditional names, do not sound Yoruba at all... likewise the case of itsekiri, it is isolated cases, people might choose names based on their personal interests, but Itsekiri and Benin local names do not sound Yoruba at all. The language and lexicon is as different as night and day, no similarities at all. I am from Benin I know what am telling you. No Yoruba understand our language, likewise we don't understand Yoruba unless the individual lived in southwest and learn it. I have shared a dozen Benin bronze works, if you check the ones of ile'Ife am sure you will see the difference.

creativehubb:

Benin traditional names do not sound Yoruba at all, maybe a few Benin people who have influence in south west or just chose to give their kids Yoruba names, but Benin traditional names, do not sound Yoruba at all... likewise the case of itsekiri, it is isolated cases, people might choose names based on their personal interests, but Itsekiri and Benin local names do not sound Yoruba at all. The language and lexicon is as different as night and day, no similarities at all. I am from Benin I know what am telling you.

Where are the ogisos the sky gods from?

Jogs1900:

Where are the ogisos the sky gods from?

They are aboriginal Benin people not Yoruba,

'Ogiso' derived from the description Ogie n' oriso (meaning king in heaven). These are the earliest people that formed what is known as Benin today, Ogiso doesn't sound Yoruba at all, in syntax or context, you people are culture and heritage thieves, focus on your weak Ile'Ife, it has nothing to do with us, Ile'Ife is a weak kingdom compared to Benin empire, Ile'Ife only started getting prominence when the Benin prince exiled there, the Benin prince is your progenitor.

Benin people emerged about 5000 years ago, am talking BCE...at that point there was no kingdom of Ile'Ife just wilderness and jungles. Empirical evidence would have survived if such close knit relationship exist, use your brain. The difference in everything will show you, we had no such close knit relationship, the only time we related was when the Benin prince went on exile, and stayed at a place called Uhe (Ife), when he got there, there still was no organized ile'Ife kingdom yet, just indegenous Yoruba people scattered over the place. How can a people not yet organized rule others?

Ogodomigodo and Ogiso are Edo words and lexicons, not Yoruba.

We are not Yoruba, our progenitors are different, bloodline different, culture different, no similarities. Your oduduwa common ancestry with us has been debunked, the person you refer to as Oduduwa was a Benin Prince...that makes you under us.

Ologbo147:
Ogun must have been a god borrowed into the Edo socio-religious lifestyle long before the Oba emerged on the throne. The Oza as a word there is Oza through and through. The fact that Ogun was borrowed does not change the fact that this statement is referring to Oza.


Well as for the Olokun, the Urhonigbe people does not agree with you that it was borrowed, other eastern Bini traditions seem to corroborate where their Olokun worship came from. To them, Olokun is the lifeblood of Urhonigbe town just as Nile is to Egypt.

The worship of Olokun in Urhonigbe land is far older than the One for Ughoton. In fact the biggest Olokun shrine in Edo state is in Urhonigbe. Urhonigbe as also a town historically and in age is also prime years above Ughoton.

You can see some of your mutilations below. What is Logi’olokun. Basically all websites online presented it as Ovbi Olokun. Is it the Elimidu that i have basically not seen online before. Is it the several words you mutilated that you obviously cannot interpret if not for the fact that it is online where you copied verbatim from.

You can see how i dissected it syllables by syllables. Your modifications are vivid below, what is Enoniyangbon. There is no better word for desperation my brother

The Olokun being associated at Gwatto was with Oba Bini. Ethiope was not known as Olokun in 1486 as a thriving port water to be known as a port of somesort by Portuguese Diplomats sent to Bini land.

Olokun is not a river from the worship at Gwatto. So,fusing Ethiope into Olokun may not be farfetched.

Finally, since you are the one who interpreted to fit what you perceive as near your linguistic colouration.

Olu317:
The Olokun being associated at Gwatto was with Oba Bini. Ethiope was not known as Olokun in 1486 as a thriving port water to be known as a port of somesort by Portuguese Diplomats sent to Bini land.

Olokun is not a river from the worship at Gwatto. So,fusing Ethiope into Olokun may not be farfetched.

Finally, since you are the one who interpreted to fit what you perceive as near your linguistic colouration.

it cannot be interpreted in another language , you are just being vividly desperate and slimy. If not that you saw it online, you wouldn’t have gotten an interpretation to it


That Olokun was already in Ethiope long before it got to Ughoton is not in doubt, they have a full festival in urhonigbe.


Get your logic right, that the Europeans did not discover it in Ethiope does not mean it has not been in existence in Urhonigbe. Infact there is very little eye witness accounts on urhonigbe as a whole. Through oral accounts, we know that Urhonigbe is Olokun and Olokun is Urhonigbe

For the fact that all Bini eastern communities that celebrate the Ekaba festival lay claim to deriving it from Urhonigbe and not Ughoton tells of its solidity in Urhonigbe.

Lastly for the fact that the mightiest Olokun shrine in Edo state is in Urhonigbe tells of the fact that if there is any community that got it from the other, it is certainly Ughoton that got it from Urhonigbe