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The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Ken4Christ: 10:17am On Sep 05, 2020
The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not a parable. This story was narrated by our Lord Jesus as recorded in Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

If you examine this passage, specific characters where mentioned; Lazarus, Abraham and Moses. I believe Jesus knows the name of the rich man but deliberately didn't mention it.

In parables, specific characters are not mentioned. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to mention any other parable where names where mentioned.

Our Lord Jesus said this by revelation just the way he told the woman of Samaria he met in the well her past.

Even if you insist it's a parable, it doesn't change the message. It still proves that lost souls will go to hell. You don't tell parables with things that are not real. All the parables of Jesus are illustrated with realities.

Besides, there are many other Scriptures that supports the existence of a burning hell. Scriptures must not be interpreted in isolation.

Please, give your life to Jesus if you haven't done so. Hell is real. You have been warned. The torment there is unbearable. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Nobody: 10:29am On Sep 05, 2020
Alright, I Get U.
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 10:31am On Sep 05, 2020
Ken4Christ:
The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not a parable. This story was narrated by our Lord Jesus as recorded in Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

If you examine this passage, specific characters where mentioned; Lazarus, Abraham and Moses. I believe Jesus knows the name of the rich man but deliberately didn't mention it.

In parables, specific characters are not mentioned. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to mention any other parable where names where mentioned.

Our Lord Jesus said this by revelation just the way he told the woman of Samaria he met in the well her past.

Even if you insist it's a parable, it doesn't change the message. It still proves that lost souls will go to hell. You don't tell parables with things that are not real. All the parables of Jesus are illustrated with realities.

Besides, there are many other Scriptures that supports the existence of a burning hell. Scriptures must not be interpreted in isolation.

Please, give your life to Jesus if you haven't done so. Hell is real. You have been warned. The torment there is unbearable. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.
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Please don't STOP to DECEIVE YOURSELF
The Principle of Precedence is well established, we know God punished Adam, we know God punished Sodom/Gomorrah, we know God punished the rebellious sons of korah, we know God punished wickedness of Noah's day.
We know God punished Ananias& Sapphira.
None of them with perpetual, everlasting torture and torment.
OP, I challenge you to name the person who God have kept in perpetual torture and torment since their death.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by paxonel(m): 10:36am On Sep 05, 2020
Ken4Christ:

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom:
we know that Abraham bossom isn't heaven, Is Abraham bossom also real?
If yes, then why is it not popular as hell in the minds of people today?
Does it mean that people like to hear more about evil(hell) over good(Abraham bossom) ?

Just asking.
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Nobody: 10:43am On Sep 05, 2020
Ken4Christ:
The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not a parable. This story was narrated by our Lord Jesus as recorded in Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

What exactly was the evil deeds of the rich man and what were the act of righteousness done by the Lazarus. So that everyone can learn from them?

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

What is the meaning of Hell and how close is it to Abraham's bosom?


26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Where was Abraham the time of the event?
Jesus was narrating this story as a past event yet Abraham has not been resurrected {John 5:28-29} so did Abraham do/say all these inside his grave?

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Abraham never lived to know Moses yet he's saying to the rich man "your brothers who are still alive have Moses and the prophets" so what brought Moses and the prophets into the story, and which of Abraham's descendants was a beggar? Psalms 37:25

If you examine this passage, specific characters where mentioned; Lazarus, Abraham and Moses. I believe Jesus knows the name of the rich man but deliberately didn't mention it.

In parables, specific characters are not mentioned. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to mention any other parable where names where mentioned.

Our Lord Jesus said this by revelation just the way he told the woman of Samaria he met in the well her past.

Even if you insist it's a parable, it doesn't change the message. It still proves that lost souls will go to hell. You don't tell parables with things that are not real. All the parables of Jesus are illustrated with realities.

Besides, there are many other Scriptures that supports the existence of a burning hell. Scriptures must not be interpreted in isolation.

Please, give your life to Jesus if you haven't done so. Hell is real. You have been warned. The torment there is unbearable. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

God condemned the act of burning people inside fire saying such horrible thought never came into his heart {Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5} so where is Adam presently since he's the first and foremost sinner who caused all these? Romans 5:12

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by OtemAtum: 10:45am On Sep 05, 2020
Janosky:

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Please don't STOP to DECEIVE YOURSELF
The Principle of Precedence is well established, we know God punished Adam, we know God punished Sodom/Gomorrah, we know God punished the rebellious sons of korah, we know God punished wickedness of Noah's day.
We know God punished Ananias& Sapphira.
None of them with perpetual, everlasting torture and torment.
OP, I challenge you to name the person who God have kept in perpetual torture and torment since their death.
God Almighty, the creator of Jehovah, did not punish any of these people you mentioned above. God is the Totality if Existence and it is illogical to think that God will punish its creature for any reasons. All those stories in the bible are the make-believes of the cavemen.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by illicit(m): 11:21am On Sep 05, 2020
Parable or not
There's no hell
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by haddeylium(m): 12:06pm On Sep 05, 2020
illicit:
Parable or not

There's no hell


There is Hell
Hell is the common grave of mankind and we're all going to experience it
What there isn't is hellfire- No such thing

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by CodeTemplar: 12:13pm On Sep 05, 2020
Janosky:

grin grin grin
Please don't STOP to DECEIVE YOURSELF
The Principle of Precedence is well established, we know God punished Adam, we know God punished Sodom/Gomorrah, we know God punished the rebellious sons of korah, we know God punished wickedness of Noah's day.
We know God punished Ananias& Sapphira.
None of them with perpetual, everlasting torture and torment.
OP, I challenge you to name the person who God have kept in perpetual torture and torment since their death.
Are you implying there is no hell?
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Nobody: 12:51pm On Sep 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Are you implying there is no hell?

There is HELL!
It's the common GRAVE that all dead people are kept!
Even Jesus went to HELL but God did not allow him to perish there! smiley

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by CodeTemplar: 1:28pm On Sep 05, 2020
Maximus69:


There is HELL!
It's the common GRAVE that all dead people are kept!
Even Jesus went to HELL but God did not allow him to perish there! smiley
So why was there a distance between Lazarus and the rich man after death if was the common grave dead men go to?
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Nobody: 1:58pm On Sep 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:
So why was there a distance between Lazarus and the rich man after death if was the common grave dead men go to?

My guy use your brains for once nah! undecided

That's not a story but a Prophetic illustration! smiley

Lazarus ~ common Jews who only goes to the temple (Rich Man's gate) to take home whatever the Pharisees and Saddusees infuse in their brains, that's the food dropping from the Rich Man's table!

Rich Man ~ Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis loading the people with unbearable human traditions!

Lazarus's ulcers ~ hardship experienced by common Jews due to the heavy burdens of the man-made traditions!

Dogs licking his wounds ~ Pagan nations like Rome dominating the Jewish nation due to their spiritual condition!

Their death ~ When Christ arrived to make his choice of disciples amongst the Jews!

Father Abraham's bosom ~ Favour as Jesus chose common Jews promising them of heavenly glory in God's kingdom!

Rich Man's torment ~ When Christians began performing signs to prove what Prophet Joel said about those that will be blessed after the coming of the Christ (Messiah) Joel 2:28 compare to Act 2:16-18

Rich Man's comments ~ When the religious leaders were worried as Christians kept declaring the resurrection of Jesus with powerful signs, they began fighting them to stop the preaching! Act 4:18; 5:28

Father Abraham's reply ~ God's holy spirit continue to strengthen the Christians to preach and teach in all the regions instead of giving in to the threat of their rulers!

Rich Man's brothers ~ Future Satan's agents who will also be tormented anytime the truth is preached!

Moses and the Prophets ~ The Bible Scriptures that everyone needs to carefully consider before pitching his tent for worship!

So it's not a real life event but a Parable! smiley

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Janosky: 2:10pm On Sep 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:
So why was there a distance between Lazarus and the rich man after death if was the common grave dead men go to?

Bros, use your brain.....
Why would someone in hellfire (rich man) see somebody in heaven (Lazarus) ?
Una Christendom no talk say heaven dey above and hellfire pit dey below?

Do you know that in Luke 16:19-31, the Greek word there is Hades?

Hades is NOT a place of torture, Bros go and learn grin

Luke 16:19-31 is a parable, fulstop !

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by CodeTemplar: 4:39pm On Sep 05, 2020
Maximus69:


My guy use your brains for once nah! undecided

That's not a story but a Prophetic illustration! smiley

Lazarus ~ common Jews who only goes to the temple (Rich Man's gate) to take home whatever the Pharisees and Saddusees infuse in their brains, that's the food dropping from the Rich Man's table!

Rich Man ~ Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis loading the people with unbearable human traditions!

Lazarus's ulcers ~ hardship experienced by common Jews due to the heavy burdens of the man-made traditions!

Dogs licking his wounds ~ Pagan nations like Rome dominating them due to their condition!

Their death ~ When Jesus arrived to make his choice of disciples amongst the Jews!

Father Abraham's bosom Favour as Jesus chose common Jews promising them of heavenly glory in God's kingdom!

Rich Man's torment When Christians began performing signs to prove what Prophet Joel said about those that will be blessed after the coming of the Christ (Messiah) Joel 2:28 compare to Act 2:16-18

Rich Man's comments When the religious leaders were worried as Christians kept declaring the resurrection of Jesus with powerful signs, they began fighting them to stop the preaching! Act 4:18; 5:28

Father Abraham's reply God's holy spirit continue to strengthen the Christians to preach and teach in all the regions instead of giving in to the threat of their rulers!

Rich Man's brothers ~ Future Satan's agents who will also be tormented anytime the truth is preached!

Moses and the Prophets ~ The Bible Scriptures that everyone needs to carefully consider before pitching his tent for worship!

So it's not a real life event but a Parable! smiley

Extreme stupidity. So a simple question about a fact that your initial submission doesn't explaini is what you are playing stupíd games for? Answer the question directly or get lost.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Nobody: 5:03pm On Sep 05, 2020
CodeTemplar:
Extreme stupidity. So a simple question about a fact that your initial submission doesn't explaini is what you are playing stupíd games for? Answer the question directly or get lost.

We will surely leave you and our PEACE will reign with us {Matthew 10:13-13; John 14:27} soothe yourself with whatever you decide upon the Parable or Story (as you wish to call it) smiley
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by DappaD: 8:12pm On Sep 05, 2020
Ken4Christ:
The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not a parable. This story was narrated by our Lord Jesus as recorded in Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

If you examine this passage, specific characters where mentioned; Lazarus, Abraham and Moses. I believe Jesus knows the name of the rich man but deliberately didn't mention it.

In parables, specific characters are not mentioned. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to mention any other parable where names where mentioned.

Our Lord Jesus said this by revelation just the way he told the woman of Samaria he met in the well her past.

Even if you insist it's a parable, it doesn't change the message. It still proves that lost souls will go to hell. You don't tell parables with things that are not real. All the parables of Jesus are illustrated with realities.

Besides, there are many other Scriptures that supports the existence of a burning hell. Scriptures must not be interpreted in isolation.

Please, give your life to Jesus if you haven't done so. Hell is real. You have been warned. The torment there is unbearable. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.

So when someone simply says “I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and savior”, the person is no longer bound to go to this mythical “hellfire” of yours? grin

Please can you show Biblical evidence of this Lazarus being a worshiper of God or a follower of Jesus that he merited going to heaven? undecided
Since you churchgoers will say that the Abraham's bosom represents heaven and that the rich man is in hellfire
If this was a true event that happened and Lazarus truly went to heaven, then Jesus was lying that before him NOBODY ELSE had ascended up to heaven—John 3:13.


Churchgoers who have differing beliefs about this “hellfire” will often miscontrue the PARABLE OF THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS to fit their own useless doctrines. Take a look at your concluding statements, you so so so want people to burn forever in your mythical nonsense! embarassed
Something that had never come into God's heart at anytime—Jeremiah 7:31

I'll leave you with one question which should be easy to answer—using the Scriptures, that is.


Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?


Is he in this mythical “hellfire” ? Or somewhere else?
Please do answer in earnest with Scriptures, thanks.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Ken4Christ: 9:49pm On Sep 05, 2020
You will all get responses to your questions tomorrow. I just saw them.
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by MuttleyLaff: 9:55pm On Sep 05, 2020
Ken4Christ:
The story of the Rich man and Lazarus is not a parable. This story was narrated by our Lord Jesus as recorded in Luke 16:19-31

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

If you examine this passage, specific characters where mentioned; Lazarus, Abraham and Moses. I believe Jesus knows the name of the rich man but deliberately didn't mention it.

In parables, specific characters are not mentioned. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to mention any other parable where names where mentioned.

Our Lord Jesus said this by revelation just the way he told the woman of Samaria he met in the well her past.

Even if you insist it's a parable, it doesn't change the message. It still proves that lost souls will go to hell. You don't tell parables with things that are not real. All the parables of Jesus are illustrated with realities.

Besides, there are many other Scriptures that supports the existence of a burning hell. Scriptures must not be interpreted in isolation.

Please, give your life to Jesus if you haven't done so. Hell is real. You have been warned. The torment there is unbearable. God doesn't send people to hell. Your decision does.



MuttleyLaff:
We have verses in Old Testament (e.g. Psalm 9:17 et cetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it actually was Yahushua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in the New Testament, who with shedding more light on the subject, brought things into their proper and clearer perspective for us, when He shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol, with the story of the Rich Man, being elsewhere and then Abraham, with the Poor Man, being on a different side.

Remember that, just like because you're telling a joke, it doesnt necessarily mean, the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality in it, so is the case with the parable of the rich man and poor man, or even FOLY\KAZE's tortoise story
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by MuttleyLaff: 9:57pm On Sep 05, 2020
Janosky:
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Please don't STOP to DECEIVE YOURSELF
The Principle of Precedence is well established, we know God punished Adam, we know God punished Sodom/Gomorrah, we know God punished the rebellious sons of korah, we know God punished wickedness of Noah's day.
We know God punished Ananias& Sapphira.
None of them with perpetual, everlasting torture and torment.
OP, I challenge you to name the person who God have kept in perpetual torture and torment since their death.
Please show where OP in original post typed to the effect that God will have people kept in perpetual torture and torment since their death. If you cant then please put a lid on. Thanks angry angry angry

CodeTemplar:
Are you implying there is no hell?

Maximus69:
There is HELL!
It's the common GRAVE that all dead people are kept!
Even Jesus went to HELL but God did not allow Him to perish there! smiley
Sheol/Hades/Hell is for sinners. There is no way Sheol/Hades/Hell would hold or contain the God incarnate, in whom no sin is found

CodeTemplar:
So why was there a distance between Lazarus and the rich man after death if was the common grave dead men go to?

Maximus69:
My guy use your brains for once nah! undecided

That's not a story but a Prophetic illustration! smiley

Lazarus ~ common Jews who only goes to the temple (Rich Man's gate) to take home whatever the Pharisees and Saddusees infuse in their brains, that's the food dropping from the Rich Man's table!

Rich Man ~ Pharisees, Saddusees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis loading the people with unbearable human traditions!

Lazarus's ulcers ~ hardship experienced by common Jews due to the heavy burdens of the man-made traditions!

Dogs licking his wounds ~ Pagan nations like Rome dominating them due to their condition!

Their death ~ When Jesus arrived to make his choice of disciples amongst the Jews!

Father Abraham's bosom Favour as Jesus chose common Jews promising them of heavenly glory in God's kingdom!

Rich Man's torment When Christians began performing signs to prove what Prophet Joel said about those that will be blessed after the coming of the Christ (Messiah) Joel 2:28 compare to Act 2:16-18

Rich Man's comments When the religious leaders were worried as Christians kept declaring the resurrection of Jesus with powerful signs, they began fighting them to stop the preaching! Act 4:18; 5:28

Father Abraham's reply God's holy spirit continue to strengthen the Christians to preach and teach in all the regions instead of giving in to the threat of their rulers!

Rich Man's brothers ~ Future Satan's agents who will also be tormented anytime the truth is preached!

Moses and the Prophets ~ The Bible Scriptures that everyone needs to carefully consider before pitching his tent for worship!

So it's not a real life event but a Parable! smiley

So. It doesnt mean there's no element of truth & reality in it

Why didnt Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, say to the thief on the RHS, that today you meet me at Abraham's bosom, but instead said Paradise, huh?


Janosky:
Bros, use your brain.....
Why would someone in hellfire (rich man) see somebody in heaven (Lazarus) ?
Una Christendom no talk say heaven dey above and hellfire pit dey below?

Do you know that in Luke 16:19-31, the Greek word there is Hades?

Hades is NOT a place of torture, Bros go and learn grin

Luke 16:19-31 is a parable, fulstop!
Who have you read said it was a place of torture, hmm?

CodeTemplar:
Extreme stupidity. So a simple question about a fact that your initial submission doesn't explaini is what you are playing stupíd games for? Answer the question directly or get lost.
Gbam!


MuttleyLaff:
I will explain "how" and affirmative, I do 10000% believe in "Sheol" as you soon would see confirmed in my considerable long winded explanation

Hell or better put, Hades, actually is, a Greek concept, and the Jews, in reality have no concept of Hell or Hades, they have Sheol, alright, but as for the concept of Hell or Hades, this is a Greek one.

Now Blabber\mouth, it will interest you to appreciate, that, Sheol is more of a proper and real biblical Israelite concept of where the dead are ''interned'' Sheol in an oversimplified or elementary manner can be grave and/or has been referred to as grave

Grave aka tomb, crypts, ossuaries, sepulchre sites, cemetery, catacombs, mausoleum et cetera are merely places of deposit for a corpse. So Blabbermouth, Sheol is the realm of where the dead or departed souls are confined, sent down into, held et cetera.

Contrary to popular belief, souls, do not linger in the air. Souls, do not stay in limbo. Souls, do not hang about. Souls, do not make revisits et cetera

Blabber\mouth, real magic happens when you understand the "how" So this is "how" the real magic happened/happens. Over here, we accept Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of the whole wide world, believe in Him as the Son of God, by default become automatically born-again (i.e. born from high) and because of the confession with mouth, that “Jesus is Lord,” and believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, we are saved by His grace, but here is the thing, until Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ in the New Testament astonishing interjection, Sheol, in general, to the Jews, without necessarily distinguishing between righteous or unrighteous souls, has been the realm of the dead or abode of the dead. Period.

We have verses in OT (e.g. Psalm 9:17 etcetera) suggesting that the wicked go to Sheol but it was, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ in the New Testament that brought things into perspective when He shared the hyperbolic illustration of Sheol with the story of the Rich Man being elsewhere and Abraham with the Poor Man being on a different side.

Remember Blabber\mouth, just like because you're telling a joke, it doesn't necessarily mean, the joke is devoid of some element of truth and reality, so is the case with the parable of the rich man and poor man hyperbolic illustration, given by Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ

Digging in deeper into this. Sheol (i.e. the original Hebrew concept of afterlife) now, has gray lines shared with Gehenna (i.e. the refuse dump in Jerusalem hyperbolically referred to, by Jesus in Matthew 5:29 Matthew 18:9 and Mark 9:47) and Hell (i.e. a Greek mythology and Greek concept of afterlife) which arent by most, really understood.

The etymology of afterlife from a Jewish concept (i.e. Sheol, with 2 sections) has changed over time and Sheol, since, has being interchangeably replaced with Gehenna and Hell/Hades

Reiterating, Hell which has become synonymous with Hades, is neither Hebrew or Greek in origin. Sheol is, what you'll find in the original Hebrew text for any word for Hell. In other places, Hades or Hell was the Greek substitution for the part of Sheol where the Rich man is, from the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus

As a matter of fact, Hell, actually finds it roots in the classic Greek mythology, Hades, where Hades interestingly and actually, was the ancient Greek god of the underworld's name. This god's name (i.e. Hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is exactly what Sheol is, what is signifies or represents.

If we are to talk about Gehenna, well it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse site and so was used by Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ to depict the Lake of fire (i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things)

As I have earlier mentioned, where Gehenna was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem, Hades however, historically and originally is the name of a Greek god until it got turned to meaning the place or abode of the dead. It later got interchanged with Hell, which is from a German word root.

It was bible translators who were substituting the original Hebrew word Sheol (i.e. the part where the dead of the Rich man sort are), with Greek counterparts Hades/Hell that made the legacy word(s), Hades/Hell, stick with us today

Death, is not a physical person but it will cease to exist because it will be destroyed when figuratively thrown into a physical lake of fire

Blabber\mouth, on a side note, this might interest you, do you know that in Yoruba spirituality, there is the absence of a concept of sin and that doubly interesting, in same Yoruba spirituality, there is the absence eternal damnation or any kind of judgement after the end of the world. Yoruba spirituality happens to be Hell/Hades/Lake of Fire agnostic

I hope, Blabber\mouth, you didn't find my the "how" explanation long winded, just as I did advanced warn
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by MuttleyLaff: 9:58pm On Sep 05, 2020
DappaD:
So when someone simply says “I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior”, the person is no longer bound to go to this mythical “hellfire” of yours? grin

Please can you show Biblical evidence of this Lazarus being a worshiper of God or a follower of Jesus that he merited going to heaven? undecided
If this was a true event that happened and Lazarus truly went to heaven, then Jesus was lying that before him NOBODY ELSE had ascended up to heaven—John 3:13.

Churchgoers who have differing beliefs about this “hellfire” will often miscontrue the PARABLE OF THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS to fit their own useless doctrines. Take a look at your concluding statements, you so so so want people to burn forever in your mythical nonsense! embarassed
Something that had never come into God's heart at anytime—Jeremiah 7:31
Oh pulease, dont think too highly of yourself. Do you really think you can burn for ever and ever, hmm? Smh.

Now why not please answer this question. In biblical times, and talking of Gehenna, well, it is a valley, a valley in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse site and so was used by Yahshua Ha Mashiach to depict the Lake of fire (i.e. it is a place of destruction, as in, via incineration, a place for destroying things) was the fire in Gehenna ever stopped burning or never smouldering, hmm? Has the penny now dropped?


DappaD:
I'll leave you with one question which should be easy to answer—using the Scriptures, that is.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Is he in this mythical “hellfire” ? Or somewhere else?
Please do answer in earnest with Scriptures, thanks.
"The Spirit of the Almighty LORD is with me because the LORD has anointed me to deliver good news to humble people.
He has sent me to heal those who are brokenhearted,
to announce that captives will be set free and prisoners will be released
."
- Isaiah 61:1

"8That's why the Scriptures say:
"When He went to the highest place, He took captive those who had captured us and gave gifts to people."
9Now what does it mean that He went up except that He also had gone down to the lowest parts of the earth (i.e. Hades)?
10The one who had gone down also went up above all the heavens so that he fills everything.

OR
8That is why the Scriptures say,
“When he ascended to the heights, He led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to His people.”
9Notice that it says “He ascended.” This clearly means that Christ also descended to our lowly world.
10And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens,
so that He might fill the entire universe with Himself
."
- Ephesians 4:8-10

"I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!
And I hold the keys of death and Hades
"
- Revelation 1:18

Fyi, when, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ fulfilled Isaiah 61:1 in Ephesians 4:8 by leading captivity captive, and so, Adam was set free from the confinement of Sheol/Hades/Hell to be welcomed into Paradise.

Prior to Paradise, the righteous and unrighteous were all in Sheol but separated by a chasm/gulf. Everyone are conscious, on that side of eternity, in the land of dead, but once the crossover is made, they automatically stop having contact, connection, interaction et cetera with human being/souls in the land of living side.

As you can see from, Revelation 1:18 above, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, has the keys of death and Hades. So Adam is just right there, where his son, Abel, is, in Paradise.
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Blabbermouth: 12:06am On Sep 06, 2020
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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by MuttleyLaff: 3:54am On Sep 06, 2020
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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by chiommy123(f): 7:03am On Sep 06, 2020
Most times I do not understand arguments about heaven and hell why don't we live right do our possible best to avoid sin at the end if there's heaven we partake of the blessings and if there's not we are still OK cos we did the right thing. I believe there's heaven and hell though
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by MuttleyLaff: 10:05am On Sep 06, 2020
chiommy123:
Most times I do not understand arguments about heaven and hell why don't we live right do our possible best to avoid sin at the end if there's heaven we partake of the blessings and if there's not we are still OK cos we did the right thing. I believe there's heaven and hell though
"14So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good.
The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin.
15I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate.
16But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good.
17So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
18And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. I want to do what is right, but I can’t.
19I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway.
20But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.
21I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong.
22I love God’s law with all my heart.
23But there is another powere within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me.
24Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death?
25Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord.
So you see how it is:
In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin
"
- Romans 7:14-25

This is what Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, came down to earth to do for us, that, so we can have the power to live right, have the power to do our possible best to avoid sin, so that at the end of it all, we partake in eternal blessings of the kingdom of Heaven and OTHERS end up in the Lake of fire, where death and hell already have appointments with too

PS: Edited upon request, with adding clarity (i.e. OTHERS)
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by JourneytoEL(f): 1:36pm On Sep 06, 2020
paxonel:
we know that Abraham bossom isn't heaven, Is Abraham bossom also real?
If yes, then why is it not popular as hell in the minds of people today?
Does it mean that people like to hear more about evil(hell) over good(Abraham bossom) ?

Just asking.
I'm not the o.p, but it is believed that Abraham's bosom was the place where the souls that died before Jesus died. At his death these souls were taken to the present heaven with Jesus as the first son. I would have loved to post many bible verses about this mystery but I don't have the time. However, let me share few. This happened when Jesus died, Matt 27:51-53, Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many." 1 Peter 3:19 says, By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by paxonel(m): 3:56pm On Sep 06, 2020
JourneytoEL:
I'm not the o.p, but it is believed that Abraham's bosom was the place where the souls that died before Jesus stayed. At his death this souls were taken to the present heaven with Jesus as the first son. I would have loved to post many bible verses about this mystery but I don't have the time. However, let me share few. This happened when Jesus died, Matt 27:51-53, Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many." 1 Peter 3:19 says, By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison.
hmm!
Interesting!
Does this scripture also suggest that many dead people resurrected from the grave after Jesus Christ resurrected in the real sense?

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by JourneytoEL(f): 4:21pm On Sep 06, 2020
paxonel:
hmm!
Interesting!
Does this scripture also suggest that many dead people resurrected from the grave after Jesus Christ resurrected in the real sense?
I don't really understand your question,but the bible passage I quoted should answer it

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by paxonel(m): 7:33pm On Sep 06, 2020
JourneytoEL:
I don't really understand your question,but the bible passage I quoted should answer it
ok
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by DollarBuddy: 4:39am On Sep 07, 2020
OtemAtum:
God Almighty, the creator of Jehovah, did not punish any of these people you mentioned above. God is the Totality if Existence and it is illogical to think that God will punish its creature for any reasons. All those stories in the bible are the make-believes of the cavemen.



Y'all should keep assuming for GOD. Until death comes calling and you see hell, you go know say A.C no be fan.

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Nobody: 6:01am On Sep 07, 2020
DollarBuddy:

Y'all should keep assuming for GOD. Until death comes calling and you see hell, you go know say A.C no be fan.

God himself said "roasting living creatures alive is horrible in his sight, disgusting and has not come into his heart" {Jeremiah 7:31, 19:5} none of your wolves in sheep's clothing called Pastors can infuse such idea in God's head!
Adam is gone and return to non-existence {Genesis 2:17} the same will happen to all those who follow Adam's path (sinners) Romans 5:12, 6:7 wink

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Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by Ken4Christ: 12:28pm On Sep 08, 2020
DappaD:


So when someone simply says “I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and savior”, the person is no longer bound to go to this mythical “hellfire” of yours? grin

Please can you show Biblical evidence of this Lazarus being a worshiper of God or a follower of Jesus that he merited going to heaven? undecided
Since you churchgoers will say that the Abraham's bosom represents heaven and that the rich man is in hellfire
If this was a true event that happened and Lazarus truly went to heaven, then Jesus was lying that before him NOBODY ELSE had ascended up to heaven—John 3:13.


Churchgoers who have differing beliefs about this “hellfire” will often miscontrue the PARABLE OF THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS to fit their own useless doctrines. Take a look at your concluding statements, you so so so want people to burn forever in your mythical nonsense! embarassed
Something that had never come into God's heart at anytime—Jeremiah 7:31

I'll leave you with one question which should be easy to answer—using the Scriptures, that is.


Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?


Is he in this mythical “hellfire” ? Or somewhere else?
Please do answer in earnest with Scriptures, thanks.

Are you saying you don't believe in the existence of literal hell where souls are tormented?
Re: The Story Of The Rich Man And Lazarus Is Not A Parable by DappaD: 12:32pm On Sep 08, 2020
Ken4Christ:


Are you saying you don't believe in the existence of literal hell where souls are tormented?

I'm saying provide scriptural evidence of such a “literal hellfire” and not hearsay and myths propounded by charlatans intended to scare/coerce people to submit to them.


My question is still waiting for you.

Can you tell me where Adam presently is right now?

Where did God say he will go and where is he now? Scriptures only please!

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