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|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by osayi90: 4:01am On Oct 14|
Absolutely FALSE. It is just an approximation which is true for only short distances. Flat earthers use this erroneous number to disprove a spherical Earth. This is why I asked for the young man's background. I have sketched out the proof to the approximate formula flat-earthers use. Pay attention to the assumption made. The formula is only TRUE for SHORT distances. When the distance between the object and the observer is long the formula gives NONSENSE. Watch that little creature discredit everything, well because he does not understand Maths and Physics.
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|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by osayi90: 4:20am On Oct 14|
The great EMILO2STAY, ,. The only man capable of discarding the whole academic enterprise. I crave your indulgence . In my whispering tone (I know you think the moon landing was also fake) . I am so scared of your brilliance. The only man that never got the scores he deserved because of his pretty girlfriend. The world is jealous of your mind and achievement.
@ the bolded I have interacted with many actually, and honestly, you are the dumbest of them all by a mile. The curvature of your dumbness is 8 IQpoints/ time^2 (no pun intended ). If I were to play the devil's advocate, I certainly can come up with far more convincing and interesting arguments supporting the flat-earth model. For starters, I would know the difference between mass and weight, I will acknowledge gravitational force etc. Anyway, let me know when you have an interesting argument.
PS: Are you not tired of the name-calling... fool, idiot, etc. It is now a cliche. Not helping your argument boss
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 10:07am On Oct 14|
osayi90:empty statements to help your deluded self. Why don't you tackle my arguments word for word with facts. You can't because of your ignorance I challenge you to try, pls put your intelligence to the test. I know your type your actually scared but you just help your self by putting up silly statements to mock me stupidly because you have nothing to offer.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by osayi90: 10:54am On Oct 14|
Oh believe me I would have if you are smart enough to understand the very very basic concept. I'm sorry, but the tools I have to try to
convince you that the Earth is round is clearly beyond you. You do not believe in gravity, you do not know about the properties of light, you do not know the difference between weight and mass, you do not understand relativistic speed, you just do not understand anything. How am I suppose to convince you? There should be a framework upon which both of us agree before I can build an argument to convince you. I really feel so sad that for some reason at your old age you have not obtained the sufficient prerequisite-- which is common sense-- to be able to attract my attention.
I also think I have suffeciently derailed the thread, hence going forward in time, this sadly maybe my last response to you. Henceforth, I will be posting more interesting stuff about astronomy for the enthusiast.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 10:58am On Oct 14|
osayi90:useless formula that proves nothing. I am sure you and your partner do not even understand the maths you put up there.
Now for you information the 8inches per mile squared is the official arithmetic given for the globular earth curvature go use earth curve calculator and come to tell me what inches per mile is used to calculate the earths curvature? https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature#what-is-the-earths-curvature.
According to mainstream science, the earth is 7914 miles in diameter equaling approximately 8inches per mile.
If you say it is wrong then you are saying they are wrong thereby proving me right. And also if you say the figure is wrong then you should have provided the right figure. Whatever the case and whatever figure you provide it would still fail if put to test because all experiments prove the earth is without any curve at all. I challenge you to provide proof of any object obscured by the curve of the earth due to whatever figure you think the earth is curved at.
Let's how you run again
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by khingTony(m): 10:59am On Oct 14|
osayi90:I'll like to urge you to stop replying that guy, the does not trust anything about science that goes against his beliefs and mindset, he'll believe that current can pass through water/some metals and produce electricity, he'll believe that fluoride can help prevent cavities in his teeth and also believe that NaOH can Neutralize HCL, but when it has to do with Mass, acceleration and gravitational force, he'll argue as if he has conducted any experiment to disprove it, He's irredeemable.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 11:04am On Oct 14|
osayi90:exactly what i expect from you like the typical dog that runs away cowardly with tail in-between legs you have coward away after making so much noise of been knowledgeable and educated. You've met brilliant flat earthers but cannot tackle a non brilliant flat earther,.. coward. Next time when you see another thread debunking mainstream science foolishly rush into it thinking you can debunk everything in 5minutes when your actually very ignorant. I believe you have now learn your lesson the bitter way.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Spy360(m): 2:27pm On Oct 14|
EMILO2STAY:How cone the sun ALWAYS rises invthe east and sets in the west ALWAYS? Isn't there a rotational movement which ONLY can explain this?
Talking about GPS satellites, you only need a pair of binoculars to see the ISS. Try it. Because I have.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 10:00pm On Oct 14|
Spy360:this is because the sun moves around the face of the earth in a clock wise manner from left to right, it is the sun that moves not the. If the earth was moving and the sun static 93 million miles while half of the earth is lit and the other half not, then all the lit part of the earth comprising of the north and south poles should have the same level of heat and light at the same time also their winter and summer seasons should come at the same time. But this is not the situation in out world today.
Spy360:This people spend a lot of money to convince the world of a ball earth. Nasa budget is 90billion yearly. The hologram technology has come along way not research project blue beam and the Chinese floating cities. the iss is not a physical object. It is most likely a holographic projection because it wobbles and changes colour as you view it.
The iss is said to be in the thermosphere were heat level is above 2000°c temperature hot enough to melt steel. What technology or human can withstand that?
The human body reacts to speed and cannot withstand speed of about 17500mph which the iss is said to be moving in the thermosphere beside that how do they get to a moving iss moving at that rate.
The coriolis effect is said to be the displacement of a bullet as it leaves the barrel of a gun. That is to say that as the bullet leaves the gun it had left the surface of the earth while the earth is still rotating and therefore that bullet will be deflected by the rotation of the the earth. The earth is said to be moving at 1000mph while the iss at the geostationary orbit is moving in synchronism with the earths surface at 17500mph. If the a bullet can be displaced by the then the jet used in going to iss should even be more displaced than the bullet and the jet should never be able to catch up with the iss because of the speed.
Yet another problem is that the iss is said to be moving in synchronism with the earth surface and as such you can only see it if your directly under it or near side to it. Aside that you are not supposed to see it because it should be hidden behind the curve of the ball earth.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Spy360(m): 10:57am On Oct 15|
EMILO2STAY:You are not correct bro.
1. If the sun is moving in a clockwise direction, it will not RISE in the east and SETS in the west. Rather everybody in the flat earth would have a level of sunshine all day, and everybody will see the sun revolve around the earth. Meaning, no day/night, seasons etc.
2. The ISS is very close to the earth and can be physically observed using simple binoculars or telescope. I have personally done this several times. So it cannot be a hoax or something sort of holographic projection, this one is a cheap excuse from you.
3. You probably don't understand rocket science. Well few people do. So I won't blame you for this one.
4. At higher altitudes, temperatures actually drop. So such extreme temperatures don't hold as air is not a good absorber of heat.
Thanks all the same for intelligent conversation.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Spy360(m): 11:22am On Oct 15|
The sun is the star of our solar system. Located at the centre, it is the primary source of heat and light-- the energy that drives the planets and other objects found in the solar system. It is the only luminous member of our solar system.
Located about 93millions miles from us, it is about 1.3million times the size of the earth and about 333,000times it's mass. A journey from earth to the sun is 1AU(astronomical unit).
The sun is made up of mainly hydrogen and helium. Both under going nuclear fission and releasing enormous amount of radiation that is felt thousands of light years away. The temperature of sun is about 6000 degrees Celsius while it's core is over 27million degrees Celsius. Nothing survives near it. It's hellish nature is absolutely unimaginable.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 11:05pm On Oct 15|
Spy360:the sun has to move in a clock wise direction from left to right as it circles the surface of the earth. However the earth being a vast plane and the sun being small and close to the earth with its light acting like a spot light makes it impossible to illuminate the entire vast plane at once. The light of the sun is concentrated an evidence of this is the fact that dun spot has been observed several thousand ft in the sky which is why the equator is the hottest part of the earth. This cannot happen if the sun is 93million miles away from the earth. The reason why sun rises and goes down is due to perspective. Just like when you see an aircraft fly past above you till it get to the vanishing point at the horizon and then it looks like its dipping down into the horizon till it disappears. this view is due to the nature of the human eye view since we are small on the earth and objects tend to get smaller as they move away from us. You have to understand that the earth is far more bigger than the sum. With the sun acting as spot lite it cannot illuminate every part of the earth at once. The chinese yinyang symbol is patterned after the the direction of the sun and moon light parts. The ancients have known this but we have only been brain washed
Spy360:I do not doubt that you cannot see it. I said it is a hologram because the iss doesn't look like a physical object when observed with binoculars because it wobbles and changes colours. The iss is said to be in geostationary orbit and in perfect synchronized rotation with the earths surface. If thus is true then one should not be able to it since it is even closer to the earth its like saying you can see an aircraft flying over America from Nigeria. So you see there is a problem with that. This deception is deep and a deeper one is coming. I still have a lot to say about space and its hoaxes. Like the moon landing, voyager one ,.. your can do your research on this.
Spy360:you dont tell me i dont understand rocket science because i know what it is more than all who have challenged me on the matter. If you can refute me and give reasons to see why i am wrong then you will be saying something reasonable because i gav e you reasonable facts.
Let me repeat if the coriolis effect can displace bullets as they leave the surface of the earth then the common sense logic here is that the rockets too will be greatly displaced if they are flying to a destination moving 17500mph. This is impossible yet we believe this.
Spy360:this makes no sense. The word thermo is dealing with heat and if a temperature is measured and it reads 2000°c then that is 2000°c hot. It cannot be 2000°c and at the same time be 0°c except there os a problem with the science associated with that statement. This is the excuse they come up with just to patch up their flawed science
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 11:06pm On Oct 15|
Spy360:the sun is not a star and stars are not suns.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Spy360(m): 8:11am On Oct 16|
EMILO2STAY:What's their differences and their similarities?
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 8:31am On Oct 16|
Spy360:the suns nature is hot, antiseptic and drying. Its colour is bright golden and it colour does not change.
There is nothing in the stars that suggest similarities with the sun.
If viewed with a high powered zoom camera or telescope one can see that the stars have different colours and and their light fluctuate and sometimes change colour.
The stars you see in the sky all move in circular motion as if they are one giant body round about the face of the flat earth. This is what they won't tell you. The set of stars you see in January are not the same set you see in December. I have observed this myself. All the stars move except the north pole star Polaris which stays fixed and never move while all others revolve around it as if a giant body of stars.
If the earth is a ball moving around the sun and the sun moving with the planets through the galaxy and the stars we see are distant suns, then we should not be seeing the same stars night after night. The zodiacs which were made many years ago are patterned after the stars which can still be seen today. So the saying that stars are suns of other galaxies is mere speculation Infact it is not true at all. The purpose is to give an impression of other planets and possible life forms in those planets.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Spy360(m): 9:24am On Oct 16|
Your explanations are mostly based on physical observation and perception. But when I used that logical pattern, you throw it away and bring up your own imaginations, I wanted to argue based on your own logical pattern.
1. By merely observing the sun's movement, one can easily see that it moves in a down up direction from east to west in a rising setting pattern. At noon, the sun is directly overhead which marks the middle of the day. This fact which does not require any laboratory test has been known for millennia. The sun RISES in the east and SETS in the west we shouldn't argue this bro. If it moves from left to right in a CLOCKWISE direction, then it must be completely visible all day including at night with a telescope even if it is on the other side as there is no curve to obscure vision only perspective. This a practically is not true. Also if it is up down on a flat earth, a time then it will go under the earth's surface and completely disappear from all over the world for at least a day's time. This also does not occur.
2. Explain why mountain tops are always frozen using Mt Everest as case study.
3. The ISS which I see is not a hologram. Even if it was where was it shot from? Also what technology was used to keep the hologram in an orbit if the earth is flat?
4. Coriolis effect affects projectiles fired towards the North or South Pole not away from the earth's gravitational field like rockets.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Spy360(m): 9:38am On Oct 16|
EMILO2STAY:Even the sun's rays emit different colours on certain times of the day and year. This is as a result of light diffraction in air and atmospheric conditions and weather.
The stars also do not change positions (at least significantly) but their orientations change with respect to us as our planet not only rotates but also revolves. The North Pole star seems fixed because our rotation is about the Polar axis. The poles are the only relatively fixed point of direction.
Now that you have mentioned galaxies, what are they? Have you used a telescope before. Honest question.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 6:23pm On Oct 16|
Spy360:wrong. the suns colour never changes. It turns golden/yellow early in the morning and evening due to atmospheric blocking while it is bright at the area it is directly over head.
If you should look at the star some of them have a fluctuating light the sun does not behave like this, while some diminish in light just like in the case of Pluto which can no longer be seen today.
The stars exhibit different colour from blue to red to green most of them are not even round in shape. The stars are not suns of other galaxies.
Spy360:good you admitted they do not change positions that is what they call "parallax" if these things are suns of other galaxies which are moving at incredible speeds, should there not be parallax?
The orientation change is because they rotate like one Giant body of stars in the heaven and not because the earth rotates. This doesn't make sense if the solar system is moving through the galaxy we should not be seeing the same stars two nights in a row.
If the earth is tilted then there is no reason for the north pole star to remain fixed in the the north pole. Or are you saying that the star tilts with the earth also? This north pole star can be seen from 23° southern latitude ( which is the reason for the lie of the earth tilted at 23.4°) of the earth every single time and this position has never changed. Besides that, if the earth is moving away with the sun and the entire galaxy then we should not be seeing Polaris today at all. but that star has remained on that position for centuries since man existed on the earth therefore proving that the earth does not move or spin or tilts.
Spy360:I have not used a telescope but I have used a p900 camera with 83× zoom capacity more powerful than many telescopes today.
Galaxies are only the invention of mainstream science. The only thing existing out of this world is the throne of God as the Bible mentions. There is nothing like milky way galaxy. If you want the religious text proof for the flat enclosed and motionless earth I will be happy to present them.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Lovepeacetrust: 10:29pm On Oct 16|
Me I want to see religious text proof
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 1:33pm On Oct 17|
Spy360:but that is exactly what am doing. What have I said here that based on my imaginations.
Spy360:you seem not to understand perspective. Now for example if you watch a plane fly across the sky right over you, the plane flies straight across the sky until it gets to the line of the horizon were it actually looks like it is dipping down into the horizon untill it disappears out of sight. This does not mean that the aircraft is flying down the curvature of the ball earth since aircraft fly straight to there destination but yet is obscured by the horizon even if one uses a telescope to bring back into view the aircraft it will still fly into the horizon were it cannot be brought back in sight, but this happens due to perspective. Since the earth is a flat surface the horizon tend to rise and meet the sky at the vanishing point. This is the characteristic of a flat surface
The earth is a vast plane surface does not mean you can use a telescope to view from one country to another the earth is too vast for this to be possible plus atmospheric blocking does not allow for this.
If the earth is a ball then the sun should not only be hot at noon but should be from the very moment the light hit the earth since it is 93million miles away and not concentrated. Plus the both poles should have their seasons at the same time. But this is not the nature of our world.
Spy360:i dont know waht this have to do with flat or ball earth.
Spy360:well you are free to believe. But the truth is that according to their own science it is located in the thermosphere a place were it should have burnt up and speeding at17500m/ph a speed which the human body cannot handle plus . I told you to check the project blue beam and the Chinese floating cities to show how far they have gone in the technology of hologram.
Spy360:well this makes no sense and it is false. The coriolis effect is said to affect bullets as they leave the surface of the earth or it affect the angle at which water sinks into to kitchen sink hole or toilet hole, but is this true? absolutely not.
There is no experiment that shows bullets are displaced due to the rotation of the earth and the the angle at which water sinks into kitchen sink hole is determined by the angle which the water is poured into the sink that determines how bit sinks not a spinning earth. How the earths movement influence all this things and yet you feel non of it?
If the coriolis effect is true according to their own definition then aircrafts flights would not be possible because they would be greatly displaced as they fly up and leave the surface of the earth for hours this is the reason aircraft pilots train with a facility that simulates aircraft flights in a flat and non rotating earth the federal aviation authority admits this even the lying nasa. they know the truth and can't compromise safety for their bullshit spinning ball earth theory they feed us in schools. This is why i said that if the iss is moving in perfect synchronism with the surface of the earth were it spins at 17500mph then no aircraft would be able to reach it since its speed exceeds that of the aircraft. This is common sense. When you out all the inconsistencies of their own flawed science plus the reality you see then you will know that the iss is not what you have been made to believe. It is a hoax not human can live a vacuum for six months you will be crushed in minutes.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 3:16pm On Oct 17|
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 3:18pm On Oct 17|
19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the FIRMAMENT sheweth his handywork.19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,19:5 Who is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to RUN A RACE( the sun moves not the earth) 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his CIRCUIT(it goes round) unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. Psalm19
And these mountains shall became FLAT LIKE THE EARTH in the presence of the lord and his righteousness, and the hills shall become like a fountain of water. And the righteous one shall have rest from the oppression of sinners. --book of Enoch 53:7
Then shall I uncover the four parts of the east, and there shall come forth four great winds, and they shall sweep up all face of the earth from one end unto the other. And the lord shall sweep sin of the face of the earth, and the earth shall be made whit like snow, AND IT SHALL BECOME AS A LEAF OF PAPER WITHOUT CAVE, OR MOUNTAINS, OR HILLS, OR ROCK. BUT THE FACE OF THE EARTH FROM THE RISING EVEN TO THE SETTING OF THE SUN SHALL BE LIKE A TABLE AND WHIT AS SNOW.
And the reins of the earth shall be consumed by fire, and it shall cry unto me, saying I am a virgin before you o lord, and there is no sin in me; as the prophet David said aforetime, you shall sprinkle me with hyssop, and I shall be made pure, you shall wash me and I shall be made whiter than snow.
And again he said, EVERY CHASM SHALL BE FILLED UP, AND EVERY MOUNTAIN AND HILL SHALL BE BROUGHT LOW, AND THE CROOKED PLACES SHALL BE MADE STRAIGHT AND ALL THE ROUGH PLACES MADE SMOOTH and all flesh shall see the salvation of God. -- the revelation of saint John.
God is just right above the firmament of the closed earth where the heavenly luminaries are there is no space. The reason he is called the most high God.
HEAVEN IS MY THRONE AND THE EARTH IS MY FOOT STOOL-- Isaiah 66:1
24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: AND THERE WAS UNDER HIS FEET AS IT WERE A PAVED WORK OF A SAPPHIRE STONE, AND AS IT WERE THE BODY OF HEAVEN IN HIS CLEARNESS. Exodus24:10
22:12 Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!22:13 And thou sayest, How doth God know? can he judge through the dark cloud?22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.22:12 Is not God in the height of heaven? and behold the height of the stars, how high they are!22:13 And thou sayest, How doth God know? can he judge through the dark cloud?22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven. Job22:12-14
40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; THAT STRETCHETH OUT THE HEAVENS AS A CURTAIN, AND SPREADETH THEM OUT AS A TENT TO DWELL IN: Isaiah40-22
26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds,( talking about the antarctic ice barriers) until the day and night come to an end.26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. Job26:10.
40:20 He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, THAT SHALL NOT BE MOVED.40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?40:22iIT IS HE THAT SITTETH UPON THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH, AND THE INHABITANTS THEREOF ARE AS GRASSHOPPERS; THAT STRETCHETH OUT THE HEAVENS AS A CURTAIN, AND SPREADETH THEM OUT AS A TENT TO DWELL IN( talking about the firmament) Isaiah 40:20
8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: WHEN HE SET A COMPASS UPON THE FACE OF THE DEPTh:8:29 WHEN HE GAVE TO THE SEA HIS DECREE, THAT THE WATERS SHOULD NOT PASS HIS COMMANDMENT: WHEN HE APPOINTED THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH:8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: Proverbs 8:27
Though has fixed the earth immovable. Psalms 93:1
104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Psalm104-5
37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?( talking about the firmament) Job 37:18
It is strong indeed
150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the FIRMAMENT OF HIS POWER. Psalm 150.1
He has spread out the heavens like a dome and made it secure upon the waters. Esdras 16-59.
The heavens declare the glory of the lord and the firmament sheweth his handy work. Psalms19.1
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.1:17 AND GOD SET THEM IN THE FIRMAMENT OF THE HEAVEN TO GIVE LIGHT UPON THE EARTH. Genesis 1:16
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Lovepeacetrust: 6:34pm On Oct 17|
Emilo2stay, if the earth was flat why don't we fall off the edge
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by Heartlessbanker: 7:48pm On Oct 17|
Lovepeacetrust:and why do you think the flat earth model involves a "falling "off the edge? Who says there's an edge?
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 1:15pm On Oct 18|
Lovepeacetrust:the earth is surrounded by water all around and that water is enclosed/encircled by a huge ice wall we call Antarctica. Fact....
Funny how people ask why don't we fall off the edge but believe they wouldn't fall off a ball that is even spinning. Indeed brain washing is very effective.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by beauty7(f): 4:30pm On Oct 19|
So sir, what is the difference between a star and a sun?
I didn't look before asking the question above.
I just saw your answer to Spy360.
|Re: General Thread For All Lovers Of Astronomy And Space by EMILO2STAY(m): 5:30pm On Oct 19|
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