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Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Nobody: 7:16pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
tensazangetsu20:Thank DCP Frank Mba also, he is above 40 years of age.
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Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by cocolacec(m): 7:31pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
tensazangetsu20:You should mention 60 years and above because your grandfathers are still ruling Nigeria since independence.They refused to hand over to their children’s generation. |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:43pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
Martinez39s: SOMETIMES THEY SAY THEIR MINDS AND I'M LEFT WITH SO MUCH SHAME. IF WE LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE AND WORK WITH THEIR OPINIONS I'M TELLING YOU, OUR STANDARD OF LIVING IN THIS NATION WILL GO BACK TO THE STONEAGE BECAUSE THEIR PRIMITIVE WAYS OF REASONING IS UNBEATABLE. 7 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by CAPSLOCKED: 8:46pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
Rugaria:TO HELL, AND BEYOND! 2 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Gerrard59(m): 10:46pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
imhotep: We're to believe a man who said people against SARS are aiming for online validation?! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Regex: 6:45am On Oct 12, 2020 |
Before reading this thread, I don tackle my mama... And she no get talk again. Today I deh plan on go buy Sim she tell me say no, say protest deh i be like mama una don start. Those people who deh protest, no people pikin? I deh go buy my sim if I die, make I die. Oyibo leave country for them, them no fit manage am yet they're older and wiser. 6 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Magnoliaa(f): 3:15pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
ibedun: Different realities and environment. Older generations had a lot of things we simply do not have, so you can't compare the outcomes 'cos the foundation and resources aren't same for us. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by ibedun: 3:23pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Magnoliaa: They didn’t have much either but the population and human WANTS were not as many as we have today and the corruption was not as vile as we have now. All the same please (for your own sake) don’t dwell too much on what you don’t or didn’t have, START focusing your mind on what you want to achieve or do with your life. Trust me you will find what you focus on in life! If you concentrate on the poverty in the country you will end up in that poverty. Acknowledge the realities but focus on your dreams. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Magnoliaa(f): 3:45pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
ibedun: And so, it should have been relatively easier to build the nation then, right? They played a part and contributed to this, that's our point. The corruption started with them and they are still the ones being recycled - yes by the youths. I've read stories and heard about the past, seen pictures, even from my parents. So they had the 'needed'. Things were good. (A television set for 250 naira, e.g). All the same please (for your own sake) don’t dwell too much on what you don’t or didn’t have, START focusing your mind on what you want to achieve or do with your life. I get your point and I know how the mind works. These things are easier said than done. I take care not to judge people without my outlook, environment and access to opportunities from my place. Not every is strong, not everyone is resilient, positive-thinking and all that. Some people won't be great, don't even want to or desire much. Just to live well. What about them? Why should I not live normally unless I'm aspiring for riches and luxury? Why do I have to depend on dreams to be able to treat myself well in the future, in case I become terminally ill now? If I had an accident walking on the road - what are my chances for survival in a government/state hospital? I may have gotten a chance from fate to have older ones who influence me, and to live in a good place, but what about people who lives in the slums? Young kids born to parents who prostitute themselves and their kids and are touts? Victims of trafficking, abuse, and in the most vile societal conditions, etc? How can you begin to tell those people to 'think positive' and self-help and see the bright side of life? If they don't have access to education, or something as small as a book and pen -- where are the factors that'll condition them for success going to come from? 4 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Aderr: 3:45pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
angelfallz:Gbam. He must be one of those empty pant- sagging boys. Question is: what has his generation achieved with everything given to them? Youths in Asia are on sleepless nights working hard for a better future for their society while people like him are hiding behind phones. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Magnoliaa(f): 3:53pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Aderr: What are the things given to us? From older Nigerian generations oh. I'll like to know. Can you list them? (Do not tell me to go research, plix and plix). 2 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by ibedun: 4:59pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Magnoliaa: Hmmm, how many people had the N250 to buy a telly back then? How many? May be 1% of the Nigerian population (mostly those living in Lagos). And who told you all these LIES about people having access to opportunities, environment bla bla bla? Who told you these lies? They had needed things? Are you for REAL? All the conditions you highlighted above can be found in almost all developed countries (I was in the almighty California in January this year). Same story/conditions...RELATIVELY speaking of course but not different. A lot of Nigerians live better than Americans and Europeans but you don’t know that. The reality of life is that most people will be poor (many Americans are very poor) regardless. The truth is no government on earth can provide its citizens the perfect conditions to thrive. It is an individual choice. Choose right bro. The wretched poor man who chooses to have 8 children and sinks himself and his family into further poverty and misery IS NOT your headache. Those who live in slums somehow end up there as a result of the choices they made somewhere along the lines. Nigeria has NEVER been perfect and the problems you are experiencing today were much less because the vast majority of the population were living in the villages back then. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Aderr: 6:40pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Magnoliaa:Let's go there: 1. Your elders/parents educated you. You might not appreciate it, but that was one powerful tool they gave you. Try to imagine what your life would be without their sacrifice. 2. Most of us were young or yet unborn during the bad days of the military. So we can't truly appreciate what our elders went through risking their lives to push against guns and tanks. What have we the younger generation done with their sacrifice? We now rig election for thieves for money believing that they are more powerful than us because they got money and guns. Yet our own parents braved the guns of Abacha! 3. Some people made investment in the media space that most of you abuse today. Both foreigners and local investors. Right now you can pick your phone and get whatever information you need. You can post whatever you like and galvanize people. That's power. Ask them in some Islamic countries. 4. You live in a society where you can start your own small business and watch it thrive. New businesses are springing up everyday started by people younger than you. Nigeria, especially, the southern part is a huge informed market due to education. Some people made it so. 5. Most of you apply to banks and other companies. Do you think these companies were founded by youths? 6. You live in a country with a huge rich diaspora which was established as far back as decades ago by our fathers. Bar the youths( people of your age) spoiling the country's name abroad ) these Diaspora across the world can actually help you find your feet if you are clean and know where to look. There is no meaningful country in the world where our elders have not put roots. I can go on and on but if you don't know your worth, it would make no sense to you like the op who thinks his elders are unfortunate because he is being forced to hustle for himself. Take the bull by the horn. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Karleb(m): 6:52pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
ibedun: They had the greatest economy in the history of Nigeria. Naira value was the best against Dollar. There was time N1 equals $2. I heard people sent money to their relatives abroad. Then a government job guaranteed good standard of living. A certificate guaranteed a job. Did you know till today some parents don't consider a child who isn't a lawyer, doctor or engineer worthy? Go to school, get a 9 to 5 job they say. Who would start start-ups if everyone is a 9-5ers? ...and anything other than civil service is fraud. Religious indoctrination (and tribalism) which is largely responsible for extreme poverty and illiteracy in Nigeria is largely due to the fault of our elders. Grand mas and Grand pas are not left out too. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by tensazangetsu20(m): 6:56pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Karleb:Bros why are you even replying to the guy. They killed protesters today at surulere. See Nigeria is doomed. Any youth who doesn't have leaving Nigeria at the top of his bucket list anything you see take am like that o. See how police behaved today like animals. Terrible devils. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Karleb(m): 6:57pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
https://www.nairaland.com/6176309/vandefan-tersugh-it-raises-suspicion Just look at our extremely wise elders speaking thrash. Just click the link. |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by DelilahMakinde(f): 7:22pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
The generation you're talking about were held captive by 4 successive military governments. There was very little they could do, except flee the country at any given opportunity. Mind you Sowore who organised the IBB step aside protests is from that same generation. Our generation is at a crucial turning point, we can be free only if we fight hard and fight smart. Otherwise, I tell u... another captivity is just around the corner. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Karleb(m): 7:39pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
tensazangetsu20: I still dey confuse. You shoot at protesters carrying placards. Where is the sense in that? No accountability. Absolutely no sense. You just seat in your offices and do things the way they have been since the 60s, no innovative thinking. Anyone who dare you is an enemy. I no go lie at this point I no even understand wetin dey happen again. |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by ThatFairGuy1: 7:44pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
ethicallyright:Emboldened, I disagree with you on that. As we have school nah scam crooners so we have very innovative youths who Government would ignore to hail and abbet stupidity. |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by ibedun: 8:25pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Karleb: I only fault the elders for FOOLISHLY having too many children knowing fully well they haven’t got the means to look after them. God will punish whoever told you the above rubbish! without proper context! Did the person explained the country was hijacked by inexperienced, illiterate, unexposed and stupid young military officers? Just look at what the stupid Nronsi did.......and how ojukwu sent his people to the slaughter? |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Etinosa1234: 8:30pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
This thread is just full of blames and no solution If u continue like this, ur children will also come and blame u 4 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Karleb(m): 8:31pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
ibedun: Kindly point out the rubbish in the post. |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Etinosa1234: 8:34pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
tensazangetsu20: In America , when Martin Luther king junior was fighting for the rights of blacks, black protesters were also killed. If they didn’t protest for their rights, they’d have still be where they were then They fought for their rights and got it If after complaining abt Nigeria, ur only solution is to leave hmm 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by AustineJohn908(m): 8:51pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
Op I agreed with all you have said. the older generations above 50 spoilt Nigeria, our generation will fix it. No mind wetin that guy dey talk..na asslicker him be |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by freeborn02: 9:03pm On Oct 12, 2020 |
tensazangetsu20: You are even more stupid. Ask your head if it is all those who are above 40 that are in government, then you will realise how very stupid you are yourself 3 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Aderr: 4:10am On Oct 13, 2020 |
freeborn02:Don't blame him too much. He lacks critical thinking and the sad part is that there are many like him. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Magnoliaa(f): 12:46pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
Aderr: Uhn uhh. Most of what you wrote doesn't cut it. At least in relation to my question. Maybe, I didn't specify enough... I'm talking about a structured, collective, economical whole or good or gain, AS LEGACIES, our parents left... My parents? This ain't subjective. Otherwise, we shouldn't have undereducated youths, with proof of statistics showing the deplorable state of education in Africa/Nigeria (and in contrast to the past). 2. Most of us were young or yet unborn during the bad days of the military. So we can't truly appreciate what our elders went through risking their lives to push against guns and tanks. What have we the younger generation done with their sacrifice? We now rig election for thieves for money believing that they are more powerful than us because they got money and guns. Yet our own parents braved the guns of Abacha! Sah, my question was what YOU LEFT FOR US. That we can do something with... During the military rule, the economy was good. As in, while, and in the reign of soldiers. Both coexisted, not so? I understand they abused human rights, that's not my point. From the point of independence, all through 2 republics and the beginnings of the fourth -- was Nigeria stable or not? 3. Some people made investment in the media space that most of you abuse today. Both foreigners and local investors. Right now you can pick your phone and get whatever information you need. You can post whatever you like and galvanize people. That's power. Ask them in some Islamic countries. Don't hijack, our recent achievements, plix. No be we be hustlers, doing start up businesses here and there? The 21st Century, technology-addicted kids? Our older Nigerian elders made it so? 5. Most of you apply to banks and other companies. Do you think these companies were founded by youths? Something our elders left for us to work with, again, as you said. This is not it. How many of us are actively into banking, benefitting from it? How many applications get rejected due to a lack of qualifications and working experiences they ask for? Yeah, y'all founded it. But, are we in them, running things? 6. You live in a country with a huge rich diaspora which was established as far back as decades ago by our fathers. Bar the youths( people of your age) spoiling the country's name abroad ) these Diaspora across the world can actually help you find your feet if you are clean and know where to look. There is no meaningful country in the world where our elders have not put roots. I'm not contending the ills of the youth. Same, so how many of us clean ones have been helped by diaspora? Should this not be evident everywhere? I can go on and on but if you don't know your worth, it would make no sense to you like the op who thinks his elders are unfortunate because he is being forced to hustle for himself. Take the bull by the horn. Hustling is not the issue. It is an enabling and fertile environment suitable to make one blossom. 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Magnoliaa(f): 12:56pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
@Aderr It might seem like I'm trying to excuse or take away personal responsibility from the youths, but no. That's not so. I am simply stressing that there are causes, beyond an individual control (social facts, institutions, etc) that are linked and like a chain reaction. And we have to talk about them to deal with them. If someone doesn't have a required professional certification to apply for a specific job- there could be objective reasons for that...Unavailability of loans, etc or an income to pool together (in addition to other expenses the country brings + interests on loan); lack of standard professional bodies or colleges to transfer the knowledge a person needs for getting the qualification... I hope you get my point? |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Magnoliaa(f): 1:31pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
ibedun: C'mon though. Post-independence Nigeria?? The economy wasn't stable and striving and fresh, and growing? I just can't give you specific examples, sorry. (Wish someone could help, lol...) But good roads, education, security, light? Investment opportunities? So, say not all could afford the T.V. But people lived comfortably, could meet their needs (needs oh.) (And a reason for that could owe to the "un-complex" ways of life then sha. Lesser distractions, indulgences, pollution, and do on). All the conditions you highlighted above can be found in almost all developed countries (I was in the almighty California in January this year). Same story/conditions...RELATIVELY speaking of course but not different. A lot of Nigerians live better than Americans and Europeans but you don’t know that. How will you explain the stark disparity in/of world economies (say Nigeria vs. Sweden) If you think our societies are relatively similar in most respect? The reality of life is that most people will be poor But for things like human dignity, fundamental human rights, and humane beliefs - should or can they not live the best life possible? Poor (in wealth, yes) but not in basic amenities. That's what I'm saying... Some people's poverties are even poor in addition, if that makes sense. (many Americans are very poor) regardless. The truth is no government on earth can provide its citizens the perfect conditions to thrive. It is an individual choice. Choose right bro. Seriously?? So governmental policies, corruption, war and its like, 'stealing' from the citizens, forcefully ejected them from where they stay, mass laying of of people, diseases, natural disasters, and sooo many others are not responsible for creating urban slums? (Choices are just a facet...) Nigeria has NEVER been perfect and the problems you are experiencing today were much less because the vast majority of the population were living in the villages back then. Not disputing. |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by ibedun: 2:45pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
Magnoliaa: 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by Aderr: 8:51pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
Magnoliaa:They left a lot if you know what to do with it. Maybe you should pick my listed point one by one and analyse them and let's see how easy you can do that. Apart from the northern enclave, Nigeria's education is not as bad as some of you claim. University of Ibadan and Covenant University for example are still among top 6 in Africa. Magnoliaa:Check Nigeria's literacy rate in the 60s and today and see that Nigeria has come a long way. Start from there. What the British handed over was very bad. The past that you mentioned was worse. Then you had teachers who didn't know more than a 12 year old today. What past? Magnoliaa:The economy was bad during the military rule. Money was hard to come by as we learnt. Car ownership was far lower than what we have today. We imported almost everything from rice to frozen chicken to ordinary tomato paste. Remember it was the military who ruined the refineries. And at independence and after, Nigeria was not stable! Who is telling you these lies? Just six years after independence, we had a coup followed by war. There was little that generation of Nigerians could do. They had it tough. But they fought the military to a standstill. What have you done with the democracy they won for you? You are now rigging elections for the politicians and shouting about frivolous things like reality shows. This generation is more unfortunate than the ones before it. Read comments on this very thread and see how shallow your generation is. Magnoliaa:What achievement? You for no do anything. Those technology addicted kids got their funding and direction from the older generation you love to blame. Software writing and hardware stuff didn't start today in Nigeria. Abeg talk another thing. Magnoliaa:Most of those running the banks today heading one division or another are your age mates. Innoson that started a car company belongs to the older generation you love to disparage. What is your generation doing? Twerking and social media. Many youths have gotten loans from banks in recent times. Remove banking from a nation's economy and all is gone. Most of those banks were started by people as young as you in the 80s. They didn't waste their lives abusing past generations. Magnoliaa:Life is not served al lacarte. You fight for what you want. The Jews never had an enabling environment anywhere but those guys are fighters. Black youths should emulate that. The question is, what are YOU doing! 1 Like |
Re: Why Are Older Nigerians So Unfortunate? by NofiuFade(m): 9:23pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
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