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Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Joagbaje(m): 10:23pm On Mar 12, 2011 |
nuclearboy: I'm not Goms pls. If I will ever have to have a new I.D. I will still maintain my colors and style in scriptural quotations. But I pray I will not have a reason to. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Joagbaje(m): 10:40pm On Mar 12, 2011 |
nuclearboy: Initially they said there should be no miracles at all.That went on for years. But they could show native doctors and traditional medicines Whose cure can't be verified . But We prayed, and last year we heard that the law has been changed. Some stations are still afraid of NBC to showcase the miracle testimonies. We had to lay hold on the NBC code to show some of these stations that the Code has been changed. Many of them have started airing them. We didn't run. We have countless of them. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Azibalua(f): 10:53pm On Mar 12, 2011 |
Initially they said there should be no miracles at all.That went on for years. But they could show native doctors and traditional medicines Whose cure can't be verified . But We prayed, and last year we heard that the law has been changed. Some stations are still afraid of NBC to showcase the miracle testimonies. We had to lay hold on the NBC code to show some of these stations that the Code has been changed. Many of them have started airing them. We didn't run. We have countless of them. How important knowledge is, How necessary for us as Christians to always be informed There's no room for mediocrity anymore |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 10:58pm On Mar 12, 2011 |
^^^ @Jo: Honesty is a PLUS - NBC NEVER said no miracles. What they said was unsubstantiated miracles. Btw, I know you are not Gombs. I was teasing you using an unusual language construct (what I meant was "na your work be this question?) because the "Legion" comes out to defend you by scattering the issue to the point where everything is derailed. Unfortunately, the impression given is as if you are telling them to help you scatter everything so you don't have to answer "uncomfortable" questions. It has happened a few times recently and you should go back and read "when did the Apostles become born-again" - if it was a legal battle, una don win but being what it is, it only showed that it was a deliberate effort by a group of people to obfuscate matters and create white space. Poor theology cannot be hidden by noise. The pharisees found that out long ago. They don't help you when they do it. Even if you are innocent (which I suspect many times), it looks like they are afraid you will be swamped and so come to scatter everything. What does that say about their trust in you? Knowing that people back home read many of these threads, I wonder if that impression pleases you. Sincerely though, it would be nice if you found intelligent people to help you. I can bet my nose what I will find anytime 4 of your people here post. Its as if you do an IQ test and choose the lowest. I was dazed when the two "rich" eddiots boasted about riding Okadas daily - so revealing, wasn't that? And then one boasted (they love boasting forgetting a man is not the sum of his stomach or lusts) about using an IPhone. Very plebian - na everything dey scatter poor persin head |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Joagbaje(m): 11:17pm On Mar 12, 2011 |
Everyone is on their own . Ofcourse there's freedom of association. You have your friends , I do too. Nothing is wrong with that. Truth is not about how many people but in the content. The thread on the apostles had already enter abuses . I can't be embarrased by the bible , If I'm wrong I don't need to win argument. Prove to me by scripture . I will humble myself to admit . But these days it' hasn't been discussions but it's like political debate. Its an unhealthy enviroment for learning. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 11:43pm On Mar 12, 2011 |
@Joagbaje: The abuses, fighting and what you call "like political debate" comes ONLY because of deliberate falsehood. Stop spreading falsehood arrogantly! When someone tells a lie and wants to force it down other people's throats, they get insulted and retaliate. Consider the issue at hand. You have said something - that ALL miracles were canceled. "Azibulua" quickly "stupidly" jumped in to snidely insult me by saying I was NOT informed and thus, am mediocre. YET THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU LIED! Or maybe you just didn't know but trusted a friend or your pastor who lied to you and so you too kept on with that lie. Which would make you innocent but still a liar! So she too was wrong and a liar. Who is NOT informed now? Who is mediocre? Yet you insist ON FALSEHOOD! The truth of the matter is -
The above is from the BBC website at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3784659.stm I would have searched for the NBC direct link (their website is http://www.nbc.gov.ng and you can write them there to clarify through - Awwalu Salihu, Head, Public Affairs +234 9 7805730 Email : masalihu@nbc.gov.ng) but I doubt you will say the BBC is lying above. If you want the direct link, its a simple search or a short letter to the above address. I once earlier defined this same thing on NL - if you tell a falsehood, you insult everyone you say it to because you are effectively saying they are not intelligent enough to know the truth and so must swallow your lie. But if I know/find out and then say "you're a liar", you see that as an insult! Does that make sense? We claim Christ - what would He do? Or say? Would He take anything Peter said and start arguing with it against everyone? Don't assume you know always - that was what caused issues with the PARABLE of Lazarus and the Rich man. That is what caused this post about what NBC said! And it is why many so called MOGs don't like being questioned - cause they are false/ignorant yet claim special status |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by LoveKing(m): 7:18am On Mar 13, 2011 |
@nuclearboy You always stand tall among all like an Iroko tree. Even when the wind blows, you never shake because your foundation is solid. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Nobody: 7:19am On Mar 13, 2011 |
hmmm. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Gombs(m): 10:11am On Mar 13, 2011 |
nuclearboy:there's no point being crude and obnoxious for no cogent reason(s).i simply asked you to outline your problems with pastor chris or christ embassy as the case may be,(i was just being civilized), but your reply shows and sums up your mental capability, does the words 'sacred' or 'dumbfounded' mean anything insulting?, dumbfounded means to astonish greatly,while sacred means nervousness in,or fright. . .You need not act the way you did, . . Hey,we were discussing.that's civilization.insults is just the other way around. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by SirJohn(m): 10:28am On Mar 13, 2011 |
Gombs: You don't get it do you? it is spelt 'scared' not 'sacred'. . . now you can see how a little twisting of letters alter a message |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 10:36am On Mar 13, 2011 |
Gombs: The high-lighted/bolded is especially brilliant and your post shows why it is particularly you that I should take serious. Dude, you are the LAST person to talk about mental capability - you are rude, half-literate, ignorant and proud! But I digress and waste time talking to "scenery". @LoveKing: please what is your email address? I hope you don't mind. @SirJohn: Chei! Why you tell am now? Methinks it is time to let all these people who come making noise of education, wealth, position etc show their true nature to the world. I was really enjoying the dudes grammar and pride |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 10:39am On Mar 13, 2011 |
@Gombs: "SACRED"means nervousness? Na im be say SALVATION means naira and kobo No wonder you're confused! |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by KunleOshob(m): 11:49am On Mar 13, 2011 |
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Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by free123: 11:55am On Mar 13, 2011 |
the truth must be told no matter who is affected |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Gombs(m): 1:58pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
Guys,you all knew i meant scared not sacred?why the fuss?. . .You are deviating from the point.nuclearboy,am still waiting for your outlined problem(s).i'd ignore your attitude,it doesnt get to me, It's part of the fun and the highlights of the topic or discussion.cheers |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 2:06pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
^^ You sincerely want to be taken seriously and not seen as a blind follower of a blind fake guide? Fine, that is great - then handle post #101 above. Let us see what you feel about people lying and claiming right/injury when called liars. You will prove or disprove yourself with that. Then we will speak about why such lies are fruit of CE and why such fruit are not of Christ! We will also then explain that crowds (Michael Jackson had greater) are not a sign of right. And Reverend King also said he was right so claims too mean nothing! Good luck PS: Evasion is an insult. Pretending not to see or understand only makes you look the same as pointed out above. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by LoveKing(m): 3:08pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
@nuclearboy lovemission21@yahoo.com |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Gombs(m): 3:32pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
am sorry,i cant make a head nor tail of post 101, just write the question here,we'd start our new page from here.thanks |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by martisyno: 3:39pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
If you guys are christians, you better be careful what you say. Even the resurection of Christ was disproved by some men how much more pastors miracles. Am not ignorant of false prophet but just let God be the judge or we anger the holy Spirit without knowing it. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by aletheia(m): 6:40pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
martisyno: Hello there. . .the Resurrection of Christ was disputed by some men not disproved. Be careful what you say. You see how one word changes the meaning and import of a sentence? The Lord said by their fruit we shall know them. When savage wolves attack the flock, what are we to do? Wring our hands? No. Here is an example from a man after God's own heart: And David said unto Saul, Thy servant kept his father's sheep, and there came a lion, and a bear, and took a lamb out of the flock: And I went out after him, and smote him, and delivered it out of his mouth: and when he arose against me, I caught him by his beard, and smote him, and slew him. (1 Samuel 17:3) In this war. . .the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And in obedience to this command: And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. (Ephesians 5:11-14) The scriptures are what we use for reproving: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (2 Timothy 3:16) |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Gombs(m): 6:41pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
Nuclearboy,hope this answers post 101,dont hesistate to forward your doubt(s). The ban on telecast of gospel miracles by the Nigeria broadcasting Commission (NBC) is the focus of this writ. This is intended to explain broadly. Section 39 of the subsisting constitution of the federal republic of Nigeria states as follows: 1. Every person shall be entitled to freedom of expression, including freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart ideas and information without interference. 2. Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) of this section, every person shall be entitled to own, establish and operate any medium for the dissemination of information, ideas and opinions: Provided that no person, other than the Government of the Federation or of a State or any other person or body authorized by the President on the fulfillment of conditions laid down by an Act of the National Assembly, shall own, establish or operate a television or wireless broadcasting station for, any purpose whatsoever. 3. Nothing in this section shall invalidate any law that is reasonably justifiable in a democratic society - a. for the purpose of preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, maintaining the authority and independence of courts or regulating telephony, wireless broadcasting, television or the exhibition of cinematograph films; or b. Imposing restrictions upon persons holding office under the Government of the Federation or of a State, members of the armed forces of the Federation or members of the Nigeria Police Force or other Government security services or agencies established by law. The emphasis contained therein is mine. This section provides for freedom of expression of opinion, impartation and reception of ideas and information without interference. It does not require general acceptance of such information or ideas. The NBC is empowered to regulate operation of television and radio broadcast in Nigeria, and must have relied on this power to make this ban. Yet such ban is only acceptable if it is "reasonably justifiable in a democratic society" as stated in subsection 3 above. How justifiable is the ban? Indeed, how reasonably justifiable is it? Moreover, how reasonably justifiable in a democratic setting is this ban? I set out to explore this here. Religious matters are very sensitive especially in a country like Nigeria, notorious for religious intolerance. The NBC's insistence on evidential proof before broadcast of miracles on television in Nigeria without provision for guidelines for establishing genuineness of such miracles leaves room to much speculation. Is this ban out of a pure motive or meant to get at private broadcasting media? In Acts 19:24-29, we have the account of the incitement by a certain man named Demetrius of fellow Silversmiths whose trade was endangered by the powerful ministry of Apostle Paul. People deserted the shrines of the goddess Diana (whose shrines were made by Demetrius and his colleagues in trade)for the true God whom Paul preached with signs, miracles, and wonders. The incitement against Paul was purely for economic reasons as Demetrius himself testified. Now,Is the NBC truly concerned that "unproven miracles" are broadcast on television or are they acting some hidden script?then,former Senate President Wabara compared broadcast of miracles with display of pornography. What a horrific and incongruous comparison! It is public knowledge that human beings are diverse in beliefs; so, we should not expect uniformity of opinion on matters. What is disturbing is for NBC to assume the role of religious arbiter and with bravado,tread the path that devils fear to. The NBC should know the following: 1. A miracle is an act or event that does not follow the laws of nature and is believed to be caused by God (Oxford Adv. Learner's dictionary 6th edition). It is not subject to human comprehension. It is beyond NBC(including some folks here). 2. A miracle is usually activated by faith. As an acronym, FAITH could be explained thus: F for Facts of the bible; A for Acceptance of the facts; I for Internalization of these facts-not only for person A or B was this written in the bible, but for me; T for Trust-A firm certainty that relief will come your way, and damnation is past; H for Hope-Now you hope for glory and not death. The greatest of all miracles is Salvation,which comes by faith in Jesus Christ; that is to be born again. The NBC does not understand that it is attacking the very basis of our Christian faith, maybe unwittingly-and it is dangerous. How can NBC (or some folks here) verify scientifically the miracle of the new birth? I remember, while teaching in a secondary school in a Muslim area in Northern Nigeria (during my IT period), I was summoned to the principal's office for preaching Jesus Christ in the school. The principal asked me to explain in his hearing and others what it meant to be born again. I joyfully gave the comparison between a pig and a cat. If by some miraculous operation, the heart and nature of a cat is transferred into a pig, though it maintains its physical body, it will display sanitary qualities of a cat instead of its filthy lifestyle. Now,How can the NBC explain scientifically the spiritual transformation of a sinner? 3. Miracles are a command by our savior Jesus Christ to be part of the ministry of the church (the body of believers in Jesus). In the gospel according to Mathew chapter 10, after Jesus had appointed the twelve apostles (who formed the foundation of a great spiritual body on earth called the "Church", He gave them certain commandments, among which were-Verse 8a "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons …" These are active verbs! And should the work of God be hidden? Should we not declare "on the house tops" what Jesus shows us in the secret? Ours is not secret society. Jesus Christ Himself led by example as we have in Mathew chapter 9 verse 35 "Then Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people." The three-fold ministry of teaching, preaching, and healing is what Jesus Christ left with the church. He said to us His church that "As the Father has sent me so send I you; If you believe, you can do greater works than I do because I go to the Father"-John 20:21, 14:12. It should be noted that in the days of Jesus the religious people of the day-Pharisees and Sadducees- did not believe Him. In fact, they claimed he used demonic powers (read Mathew 9:34; Mark3:22; Luke 11:14). They were jealous of Him. The fame of Jesus Christ spread so much through His miraculous works so that sometimes (not always) He would request people not to speak of the miracles, not that it was bad, but so that He could have time to attend to some gospel matters in other places also, "for this reason had the Son of man come into the world". He told the demoniac who was delivered by Him to "go tell what the Lord has done for you, and how He has been gracious to you". This man went out and began to publicize this. If there were broadcast media in Jesus' time, how much do you think they would broadcast those miracles? When people say that Jesus was against broadcasting His miracles, they err. If Jesus Christ were against it, how is it that we read of these accounts in the gospels today? Why has the record been preserved? In fact, these gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John) are a chronicle of His miraculous deeds on earth. John ended his gospel account by saying that Jesus did so many miracles that if they were all written the whole world could not contain the books. Then he made this significant statement, and I quote, "but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name." John 20:31. There are many people who don't go to church services but watch on television. The NBC is hindering their belief by this ban. Miracles are meant to encourage/stir faith in Jesus. What harm do they do to faith? When John the Baptist had some momentary doubts about Jesus (Maybe because Jesus did not go to deliver him from prison. Some people in our country say that if Miracle preachers were genuine, they could have gone round hospitals in Nigeria and healed patients of their ailments. They lack the knowledge and wisdom of God) and sent messengers to Him to confirm, Jesus sent this message, "Go and tell John the things which you hear and see: The blind see and the lame walk; the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear; the dead are raised up and the poor have the gospel preached to them" Mathew 11:5. If someone testifies they have been healed by prayer of faith (as the bible says in James 5:15), who is NBC to assert otherwise? Like I said, the foundation of the Christian life is FAITH. We r saved by faith; we live by faith; we are healed by faith; we receive the promise of the Spirit by faith; we are justified by faith; we even walk by faith and not by sight; we please God by faith. NBC's action is injurious to the glory of Jesus and hinders the faith of some. This is a serious claim which I firmly stand by. The import of the ban is that any preacher who wants to reach multitudes of people via the broadcast media will be constrained in what he says from the bible on the pulpit (and we have the command to heal in the bible) simply because NBC has become the "Holy Spirit". This is a dangerous situation and the beginning of an insidious trend. tomorrow, they may ban preaching without "license". Those so-called Christians and Christian leaders who are playing along and falling in with NBC should be careful of betraying the cause of Christ. In Philipians1:15-18, Paul said: "Some preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice." 4. Paul had the attitude of rejoicing that Christ was preached, whether by false preachers or genuine. In Mark 9:38-40 we have this account "Now John answered Him, saying, 'Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.' But Jesus said, 'Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of me. For he who is not against us is on our side.'" (emphasis mine) Can NBC learn from this? Jesus Christ would never approve of their ban. 5. Gamaliel gave this restraining counsel when the religious people in the days of the early Apostles sought to stifle the gospel of Jesus Christ which was attracting multitudes through signs and wonders: "And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it-lest you even be found to fight against God." (emphasis mine)-Acts of the Apostles 4:38, 39. Can NBC fight God and survive? 6. Testimony is part of our Christian faith, and any attempt by anyone- whether a churchgoer or not- to stop or frustrate it will be tantamount to persecution. In Revelations 12:11 we have the following words "And they (Christians) overcame him (the devil) by the blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ) and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death." The NBC does not seem to fully appreciate what they are stepping into, and the earlier they retrace their steps the better for all of us. No one ever fought God and won. All of us have the right to choose what religious programs to watch. The NBC should not deprive some Christians who obtain spiritual edification from watching telecast of gospel miracles of such benefit, more so when it is in agreement with their faith. Those who claim the miracles are fakes should demonstrate the genuine for all to see, nuclearboy hope you got something? |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 8:21pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
@Gombs: Wonderful - you copied this thesis just for me? Follow this sequence PART ONE 1. Pastor chris shows miracles on tv 2. Nigeria says All aired miracles will now be verified 3. Pastor chris stops showing miracles. 4. WHY? PART TWO 1. I ask Why on "NairaLand" 2. CEC members say any and all miracles were banned 3. I say no, government only said they will verify ANY SHOWN ONES 4. Jo says I am wrong (because he heard so from someone, I guess) 5. Azibulua jumps in to say I am not informed and mediocre 6. I showthat I am informed and right and that they were the wrong ones i.e. they LIED to support their pastor 7. I now say they exhibit wrong fruit and that the said fruit shows what kind of tree pastor chris is 8. I ask you to comment on Pastor Jo lying and Azibulua talking without knowledge because the Bible says be slow to speak PART THREE 1. You say you could make no sense of what I wrote. Truth made NO sense to you 2. Then you copy a portion of the case 2 CE members brought against the NBC 3. But your essay has no bearing on what I asked and thus MAKES NO SENSE. IT IS ACTUALLY DAFT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING OF WHETHER NBC WAS RIGHT OR NOT. Rather, we are asking why the miracles suddenly disappeared when government said they will verify them. Or would you say this essay you copied was a reply to my question about why baba chris ran away and why JO & Azibulua lied and if that is Christian behavior? Joagbaje and Azibulua LIED openly. Is that Christian fruit? But see where you went to - you're trying to weigh a ton of fire, to smell the color of a shirt. I ask what is your name and instead of saying "Gombs", you start singing "We are the World". Am I sensible to spend time debating with such a person? Dude, keep enjoying your ignorance - it offers you bliss |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by free123: 8:44pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
Gombs your long post did nothing to address the issue. Thanks for that section of constitution u put up there. I must let u understand the issue on ground - verifiable healing or miracle when a well known cripple or a blind man goes to ur CEC and receives his healing and this healing is certified by a doctor or people that know this man to be true then we have a clear case of verified and certified healing. But when the miracle CANNOT be verified in the case of a criple or a blind with no known address is claimed to be healed then it is termed unverified and uncertified healing that NBC is against. NBC is never against preaching the genuine word of God and performing authentic miracles as u claime above |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by LoveKing(m): 9:06pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
I dont know if i'm the only one reading nuclearboys post. I said this man says the truth, Azibalua was now contending with me asking what is the truth. Hey shift away from the doctrine for a moment and look at the material world with your eyes wide open Azibalua, you'l know truth. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 10:15pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
@LoveKing: You have mail. |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by Gombs(m): 10:22pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
Nuclearboy. part one, asked why the miracles disappeared, refer to my post,. . .Pastor chris need not verify anything to you or any government,and meanwhile,t.b joshua too,they need not answer to anybody.like my post says,why didnt NBC give criterions for verifications or geniuity of a miracle.and since you know true miracles,well,i rest my case. Part 2, why jo and azibulua 'lied'?cant say about them,didnt know what transpired btw you guys,but i wouldnt say they lied,i'd better say they didnt know better in your own way or you knew better in your own way part 3. . . Miracles are act of faith,how can you explain faith scientifically?pastor chris need not prove anything,need he?i dont get your point,are you saying the miracles are fake due to his withdrawal from airing the miracle services,or that he's fraudulent due to his 'inability' to prove the miracles or that jo et al 'lied' to you?. . . And if i copied the post or not is not relevant,and i suggest you in study what NBC said was the reason for the ban.and you are making it sound like NBC did the right thing,are you?would you say jesus wouldnt have aired his miracles if such technology was available?i'd strongly recommend you read through my post,this time slowly, and pls,answer my question marked questions.cheers |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by e36991: 10:26pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
LoveKing: Nuclearboy. Okunrin meta fun ara ee. Nuclearboy holds no prisoners. He has them for breakfast |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 10:34pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
nuclearboy: @e36991: MASTER!!!!!! You are back on NL? ? |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by e36991: 10:42pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
nuclearboy: @nuclearboy It takes one to know one, my fellow lord Took a cue from InesQor but was in the neighbourhood so decided to do a pit stop |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by nuclearboy(m): 10:49pm On Mar 13, 2011 |
^^^ Abeg O Nuclearboy is "boy" to those who tell the truth & NOT a Fellow to them OR Lord like them Even Jo knows that truth & has said as much. Why are you and Inesqor (and Aletheia) joining the Archangel Viaro in avoiding NL? When truth is quiet, error screams |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by eyzhvntsn: 1:29am On Mar 14, 2011 |
nuclearboy: |
Re: Why Pastor Chris Miracles May Be Fake. by SirJohn(m): 7:20am On Mar 14, 2011 |
@Gombs, Your wanting to take up the duty of an advocate for CE came rather too late, so many have tried it and failed. Yes, miracles are supernatural acts of God, whilst we may not be able to explain how it happened, we cannot deny that it happened because just like a mature pregnancy in a woman, you cannot hide it. In your long epistle, you ask if NBC can explain the miracle of the new birth but hey come on dude, we're talking about miracle healings and not miracles in the general sense. If a man was born blind and claims to have been healed, is it anything supernatural for us to know who this man is, who knew him as a blind man, who can confirm that he indeed can see. This was the case in the time of Jesus, people could relate to his miracles and no one time was Jesus accused of being fake because his works were evident for all to see; instead they said he was a sorcerer and that he exorcised demons by the power of Beelzebub. At one time when he healed some lepers, he asked them to go show themselves to the priests, this was a form of verification. In the CE Healing School (that is if you've been there at all), miracle recipients are immediately whisked away from the general public and only released after the show is over. Again, if you argue that the action by NBC is negatively impacting the faith of people, what about the several thousands or maybe millions that believe in this sham and end up worse off or maybe even die as a result. . . The evidence abound and you cannot deny it. The lives of innocent people is at stake here and the move by NBC is very much welcome. Just in case your finger still itches and you want to talk more, why not address this long standing issue: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-193649.0.html |
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