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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 9:03am On Oct 31
I'm almost through with learning JavaScript basics... I'd learn React then PHP.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by naijasensei: 10:03am On Oct 31
talk2hb1:
PHP is dead yet it still food on our table, PHP still funds our account, Abeg dead man putting money for person akkant died. I have been doing PHP for almost 10years, Abeg grin

I think PHP is the bogeyman, the man that refused to die. Just like Benjamin Button, PHP keeps getting fresher and better with each release. I am sure when some Node developers sleep they always have PHP based nightmares grin. PHP is not going anywhere anytime soon.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by lordally(m): 10:52am On Nov 01
Regex:
I'm almost through with learning JavaScript basics... I'd learn React then PHP.

How long did it take you to learn the JS basics bro please kindly share...
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 11:01am On Nov 01
lordally:


How long did it take you to learn the JS basics bro please kindly share...

Just 1 month. A lot of factors contributed to it. I already spent 3 months learning the basics of python coupled with the fact I am a fast learner.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by lordally(m): 11:04am On Nov 01
Regex:


Just 1 month. A lot of factors contributed to it. I already spent 3 months learning the basics of python coupled with the fact I am a fast learner.

Ok that's cool... about to start it dou
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 11:06am On Nov 01
lordally:


Ok that's cool... about to start it dou

It's a great journey bro. You won't understand half the things in it. Others will look like you made a bad decision, just a fraction will you understand.

Just be stead fast. And always use your chrome to debug your code. In fact you will be doing more debugging than coding.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by lordally(m): 11:15am On Nov 01
Regex:


It's a great journey bro. You won't understand half the things in it. Others will look like you made a bad decision, just a fraction will you understand.

Just be stead fast. And always use your chrome to debug your code. In fact you will be doing more debugging than coding.

Make I PM you jawe make we role
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by africanman85: 12:56pm On Nov 01
Regex:


It's a great journey bro. You won't understand half the things in it. Others will look like you made a bad decision, just a fraction will you understand.

Just be stead fast. And always use your chrome to debug your code. In fact you will be doing more debugging than coding.
I'm a real novice to programming. Were can I start from JavaScript ?
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 1:10pm On Nov 01
africanman85:
I'm a real novice to programming. Were can I start from JavaScript ?

Pm me so I'd give you a book to start on for free.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 1:11pm On Nov 01
lordally:


Make I PM you jawe make we role

Seen your pm. Gave you my number, contact me.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by cixak95211: 1:11pm On Nov 01
jaycpu:
is there any cheap way to host these stacks? I mean u can get a cheap server for php sites to host at relatively cheap price. any availability for the MERN stack



A server is a server . . and it doesn't matter what you host on it.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by africanman85: 1:14pm On Nov 01
Regex:


Pm me so I'd give you a book to start on for free.
My pm doesn't work 08032655418 ( my Whatsapp number )
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by cixak95211: 1:18pm On Nov 01
tensazangetsu20:

The only way to make money with the MERN stack is to get a job or build your own startup. Startups are hard and there's a 95 percent chance of failure. If one needs a team of developers to build an idea, to me they have already failed. This WordPress, Shopify and Magento stuff is something a developer can use few hours of their time to build and they are already part of an ecosystem. Imagine building a useful wordpress plugin with a freemium model. Plugin has like 10000 downloads and you even start charging 5 dollars a month for advanced features and like 1000 people pay. That's 5000 USD a month from one plugin. WordPress advertises your plugins. You don't need SEO, you don't need a whole development team, you don't need frontend or backend or UI and UX designers and all of that to do a plugin. The koko is the knowledge to even learn to build and develop a useful plugin in hidden from the public. Not much videos and courses so you need to read your eyes out and ask questions out there.

Just the same way you could build a MERN OR PERN app and get lucky and hit 10k subscribers with 3k MRR at 5 usd = 15k usd per month.....And also get unlucky designing a plugin nobody wants. These things happen. So much misinformation here. With regards to the jobs, a senior development role be it, php, python, c++ or javascript will command high remuneration that an entry-level role.......
And yes there are thousands of job offers for these stacks, Two things are just happening
1.) You are not just looking at the right places. and, even if you were
2.) You are not just qualified enough, cos

Cos the problem with these stacks, e.g. MERN, blah blah blah , is that they expose your deficiency pretty quickly. Unlike a plugin where it's just a one man's job and you could be average with it. Stack jobs often require a greater degree of expertise cos of the lots of moving things attached, eg. ci/cd, unit testing, data structures for the backend, performance[ Uncle Big 0], and scalability. Thus most roles you will see for these require a senior.
Up your game, and you won't have to create threads like this. In fact, if someone gives you a wordpress job to execute, you'll fling it away.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by tensazangetsu20(m): 1:27pm On Nov 01
cixak95211:


Just the same way you could build a MERN OR PERN app and get lucky and hit 10k subscribers with 3k MRR at 5 usd = 15k usd per month.....And also get unlucky designing a plugin nobody wants. These things happen. So much misinformation here. With regards to the jobs, a senior development role be it, php, python, c++ or javascript will command high remuneration that an entry-level role.......
And yes there are thousands of job offers for these stacks, Two things are just happening
1.) You are not just looking at the right places. and, even if you were
2.) You are not just qualified enough, cos

Cos the problem with these stacks, e.g. MERN, blah blah blah , is that they expose your deficiency pretty quickly. Unlike a plugin where it's just a one man's job and you could be average with it. Stack jobs often require a greater degree of expertise cos of the lots of moving things attached, eg. ci/cd, unit testing, data structures for the backend, performance[ Uncle Big 0], and scalability. Thus most roles you will see for these require a senior.
Up your game, and you won't have to create threads like this. In fact, if someone gives you a wordpress job to execute, you'll fling it away.


This is exactly my point. Those stacks aren't for junior developers looking to break into the Industry and also looking to make money with their skillsets. Someone said it's not even convincing to be a junior and a MERN stack developer. I love React but I am talking about making money especially as a developer at the junior level. You would have more chances with the wordpress, Shopify and Magento stuff than the MERN stack stuff.

Another thing is that people who are hiring for the other stuff that isn't cool don't care about your level of expertise. They don't care if you are a junior or senior. They just care that you get work done. So for someone looking to break early Into the industry and make some money, I feel this overlooked things are better to learn and master than the shiny stuff. The shiny stuff can be mastered later as you learn and grow as a developer.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by cixak95212: 1:48pm On Nov 01
Well, if you are argument is that for juniors, its nice to swing at WP et al, then it's valid, but based on the topic of the thread, which made it seem
like WP , php and co will give you more money, then that's false; and actually inverse.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by tensazangetsu20(m): 2:01pm On Nov 01
cixak95212:
Well, if you are argument is that for juniors, its nice to swing at WP et al, then it's valid, but based on the topic of the thread, which made it seem
like WP , php and co will give you more money, then that's false; and actually inverse.
The topic should have been why is that technologies that can enable a junior software developer to make money or get a job quickly are always hidden.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by lordally(m): 2:04pm On Nov 01
Regex:


Seen your pm. Gave you my number, contact me.

Yeah I don see am baba
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 3:09pm On Nov 01
africanman85:
My pm doesn't work 08032655418 ( my Whatsapp number )

OK. Name?
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Carmal90(m): 4:04pm On Nov 01
tensazangetsu20:



This is exactly my point. Those stacks aren't for junior developers looking to break into the Industry and also looking to make money with their skillsets. Someone said it's not even convincing to be a junior and a MERN stack developer. I love React but I am talking about making money especially as a developer at the junior level. You would have more chances with the wordpress, Shopify and Magento stuff than the MERN stack stuff.

Another thing is that people who are hiring for the other stuff that isn't cool don't care about your level of expertise. They don't care if you are a junior or senior. They just care that you get work done. So for someone looking to break early Into the industry and make some money, I feel this overlooked things are better to learn and master than the shiny stuff. The shiny stuff can be mastered later as you learn and grow as a developer.

Any link to start learning??
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by tensazangetsu20(m): 4:13pm On Nov 01
Carmal90:


Any link to start learning??
Bro if you see better link or course on wordpress theme and plugin development alongside Shopify theme and app development abeg let me know. Me I dey find seriously. All the ones I have seen so far are rubbish.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by ayomikuolatunji(m): 4:33pm On Nov 01
I just started Javascript last week. It is tough to practice and become perfect. I downloaded upto 20 videos with length more than 8hrs that is I have upto 100hrs videos on my pc. I just mastermind html and CSS... So I decided to start Javascript my first programming language to learn. Please how can I learn it? As I am typing now, I have sitted with my pc since 9am till now....
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Karleb(m): 4:44pm On Nov 01
ayomikuolatunji:
I just started Javascript last week. It is tough to practice and become perfect. I downloaded upto 20 videos with length more than 8hrs that is I have upto 100hrs videos on my pc. I just mastermind html and CSS... So I decided to start Javascript my first programming language to learn. Please how can I learn it? As I am typing now, I have sitted with my pc since 9am till now....

You are about to go into what is known as tutorial hell.

20 videos with more than 8 hrs length?

That's too much.



There are so many resources online for Javascript, you can start with www.w3schools.com or www.freecodecamp.org amongst others.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Anonime1105(m): 7:39pm On Nov 01
ayomikuolatunji:
I just started Javascript last week. It is tough to practice and become perfect. I downloaded upto 20 videos with length more than 8hrs that is I have upto 100hrs videos on my pc. I just mastermind html and CSS... So I decided to start Javascript my first programming language to learn. Please how can I learn it? As I am typing now, I have sitted with my pc since 9am till now....


Tutorial Hell LOADING....

Bro u don't need many tutorials cos the truth of the matter still remains that u can't learn everything from those tutorials.

Take one or two then u start building anything, if you don't understand anything just Google it, the problem would probably have been solved somewhere, as Danny Thampson would say ABB (Always Be Building)

That's the best way to solidify your knowledge

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Karleb(m): 8:03pm On Nov 01
Anonime1105:



Tutorial Hell LOADING....

Bro u don't need many tutorials cos the truth of the matter still remains that u can't learn everything from those tutorials.

Take one or two then u start building anything, if you don't understand anything just Google it, the problem would probably have been solved somewhere, as Danny Thampson would say ABB (Always Be Building)

That's the best way to solidify your knowledge


grin

You know Danny Thompson?

ABB. ABC. CCC.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Devynecheeh(m): 9:51pm On Nov 01
I just finished html and css..am about to start javascript and am also learning User Interface design on the side..
What advice can i get becus am looking forward to freelance..
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Breech500: 5:09am On Nov 02
Regex:


Pm me so I'd give you a book to start on for free.

How do I pm you. I want the material too
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Regex: 6:09am On Nov 02
Breech500:


How do I pm you. I want the material too

The normal way. Or let me upload it to my drive then put the link up in my description.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Anonime1105(m): 7:16am On Nov 02
Karleb:


grin

You know Danny Thompson?

ABB. ABC. CCC.

Yes I follow him on twitter and I am subscribed to his YouTube channel.

the guy that went from frying chicken to frying code bugs grin grin grin
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Grandlord: 8:47am On Nov 02
tensazangetsu20:
I started this thread because of the other thread a nairalander made about monetizing his skills.

Most people who learn programming start this way. HTML, CSS, JavaScript, React or angular or Vue and Node or python and Django. This are all great technologies but there aren't any easy to make money with. Getting a job with the MERN stack nowadays isn't easy. Node only powers 0.9 percent of websites globally and yet everyone wants to learn it. Hng internship everyone wanted Nodejs. 90 percent of the tech industry still uses relational and MySQL databases yet people are killing themselves over nosql databases like MongoDB and of recently graphql.

If you look on the freelance market, Upwork, Fiverr, freelancer et al and also look at the general job market you would see that there aren't that many opportunities for those stacks. The thing that gives people money, the things a junior developer can start to use to put money in their pocket isn't taught. Go and look up WordPress plugin development from youtube and there's just like two videos that explain the process. If you really want to get deeper into that, get ready to read your eyes out on the WordPress documentation. It's also the same thing with WordPress theme development. Magento is also another hot area. The largest E commerce platform in the world yet it's not taught anywhere. Shopify isn't also taught anywhere. Shopify uses liquid as its own programming language base. When was the last time you heard about this or saw anyone teaching or using it. Even the resources to learn these stuffs are very scanty.

I am presently working on a Shopify website and instead of coding a review page, I recommended to the client that we buy an app that does the same thing from the Shopify store. Would you believe a Shopify app which is basically just a JavaScript touch carousel that displays your reviews on your home page has 5 dollar monthly subscription with more than 10000 users. The theme the client is using. I had to rewrite most of the CSS. He bought it for 200 USD. I wonder how the theme was even accepted on Shopify. I mean this guys are banking low key and this are technologies no one talks about or even looks at. Everyone is MERN stack, MERN stack. If you mention WordPress they fit kill you or remove your head. Why does the tech industry hide where people can make money from men?
I guess this also has to do with what you want to do. Do you wanna get a job? Or do you want to be a freelancer?

If it's the former, then you learn the technologies in demand in the job market. If you want to be a freelancer, then you learn the techs that let you whip up something cool for your clients in no time. It's all about following the money.

PHP is the king of freelancing though.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by tensazangetsu20(m): 9:29am On Nov 02
Grandlord:

I guess this also has to do with what you want to do. Do you wanna get a job? Or do you want to be a freelancer?

If it's the former, then you learn the technologies in demand in the job market. If you want to be a freelancer, then you learn the techs that let you whip up something cool for your clients in no time. It's all about following the money.

PHP is the king of freelancing though.
True but not everyone will be lucky to get their first job fast and they still have to make money and gain real-world experience.

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Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by SegFault: 9:32am On Nov 02
tensazangetsu20:
I started this thread because of the other thread a nairalander made about monetizing his skills.

Most people who learn programming start this way. HTML, CSS, JavaScript, React or angular or Vue and Node or python and Django. This are all great technologies but there aren't any easy to make money with. Getting a job with the MERN stack nowadays isn't easy. Node only powers 0.9 percent of websites globally and yet everyone wants to learn it. Hng internship everyone wanted Nodejs. 90 percent of the tech industry still uses relational and MySQL databases yet people are killing themselves over nosql databases like MongoDB and of recently graphql.

If you look on the freelance market, Upwork, Fiverr, freelancer et al and also look at the general job market you would see that there aren't that many opportunities for those stacks. The thing that gives people money, the things a junior developer can start to use to put money in their pocket isn't taught. Go and look up WordPress plugin development from youtube and there's just like two videos that explain the process. If you really want to get deeper into that, get ready to read your eyes out on the WordPress documentation. It's also the same thing with WordPress theme development. Magento is also another hot area. The largest E commerce platform in the world yet it's not taught anywhere. Shopify isn't also taught anywhere. Shopify uses liquid as its own programming language base. When was the last time you heard about this or saw anyone teaching or using it. Even the resources to learn these stuffs are very scanty.

I am presently working on a Shopify website and instead of coding a review page, I recommended to the client that we buy an app that does the same thing from the Shopify store. Would you believe a Shopify app which is basically just a JavaScript touch carousel that displays your reviews on your home page has 5 dollar monthly subscription with more than 10000 users. The theme the client is using. I had to rewrite most of the CSS. He bought it for 200 USD. I wonder how the theme was even accepted on Shopify. I mean this guys are banking low key and this are technologies no one talks about or even looks at. Everyone is MERN stack, MERN stack. If you mention WordPress they fit kill you or remove your head. Why does the tech industry hide where people can make money from men?
All this long grammar about freelancing self, how will you get your payment after a job is done, PayPal does not work so please do tell.
Re: Why Is It That The Things That Give Money In Tech Are Always Hidden? by Sohnya(f): 9:38am On Nov 02
ayomikuolatunji:
I just started Javascript last week. It is tough to practice and become perfect. I downloaded upto 20 videos with length more than 8hrs that is I have upto 100hrs videos on my pc. I just mastermind html and CSS... So I decided to start Javascript my first programming language to learn. Please how can I learn it? As I am typing now, I have sitted with my pc since 9am till now....

Get books on JavaScript also,not only videos,books explain more and like everyone will say, “Always Practice”

Google easy JavaScript projects you can start with,but of course,it is always a Todo list and it is not bad...

Just keep on practicing,read more book, I’d recommend head first JavaScript. Don’t try to learn everything at once,you will crash.

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