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To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by justcool(m): 9:49pm On Nov 09, 2020
Two men, Mr. A and Mr. B, were asked a question about a person whom they have never met.
The question was, "Is he a liar?"
Mr. A, although familiar with the rumor that the man was a liar, answered, "I do not know because I have never had any dealings with him."
Mr. B decided to base his answer on the popular rumor about the man and said, "Yes! He is such a liar."
However, in the end, it turned out that the man was actually a liar.
Did either Mr. A or Mr. B bear false witness against the man?

Thanks!
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by Kobojunkiee: 12:14am On Nov 10, 2020
justcool:
Two men, Mr. A and Mr. B, were asked a question about a person whom they have never met.
The question was, "Is he a liar?"
Mr. A, although familiar with the rumor that the man was a liar, answered, "I do not know because I have never had any dealings with him."
Mr. B decided to base his answer on the popular rumor about the man and said, "Yes! He is such a liar."
However, in the end, it turned out that the man was actually a liar.
Did either Mr. A or Mr. B bear false witness against the man?
Thanks!
Of course Mr B bore false witness against the man in question.

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Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by justcool(m): 6:36pm On Nov 10, 2020
Kobojunkiee:
Of course Mr B bore false witness against the man in question.


Thank you Komojunkiee!
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by Lifeseeker(m): 7:18am On Dec 08, 2020
@Justcool
Please do you mind if I ask a question here?

Thank you
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by justcool(m): 6:03am On Dec 13, 2020
Lifeseeker:
@Justcool
Please do you mind if I ask a question here?

Thank you

Hello Lifeseeker!

You are welcome to share your questions with me. I saw the question you asked on the other Inquiry for Justcool and mnwankwo....thread and I was getting ready to share my perceptions when you removed it. I apologise, if I was taking to long to reply.

You can share your questions with me but please be patient with me as I'm a very busy person. Don't feel discouraged or snubbed if I don't reply promptly.

Remain blessed
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by King2019(m): 8:32pm On Dec 13, 2020
When will you be online again?
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by Lifeseeker(m): 11:59pm On Dec 14, 2020
justcool:


Hello Lifeseeker!

You are welcome to share your questions with me. I saw the question you asked on the other Inquiry for Justcool and mnwankwo....thread and I was getting ready to share my perceptions when you removed it. I apologise, if I was taking to long to reply.

You can share your questions with me but please be patient with me as I'm a very busy person. Don't feel discouraged or snubbed if I don't reply promptly.

Remain blessed

Thanks @Justcool

No problem, I actually removed it because I thought you did not follow the thread anymore, I will repost it after this question. My question is how does it happen that the human spiritual from the lowest part of spiritual creation must descend all the way to gross matter( the lowest point of creation) furthest from its home than any other species in creation. Even the animals on earth are from the animistic realm so they do not descend as far. And as far as I know the divine beings, particularly the elders who are at the lowest point of the divine realm do not descend into spiritual creation for maturity. So why must it happen that all of a sudden the beings at the lowest point of spiritual creation have to go all the way to gross matter to mature, how does it happen that it is not the ethereal realm or animistic realm we go to mature?
Please reply on your free time. I thought the inquiry thread might no longer be active which was why I removed the former question.

Thanks.
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by justcool(m): 1:54am On Dec 21, 2020
Lifeseeker:
Thanks @Justcool

No problem, I actually removed it because I thought you did not follow the thread anymore, I will repost it after this question. My question is how does it happen that the human spiritual from the lowest part of spiritual creation must descend all the way to gross matter( the lowest point of creation) furthest from its home than any other species in creation. Even the animals on earth are from the animistic realm so they do not descend as far. And as far as I know the divine beings, particularly the elders who are at the lowest point of the divine realm do not descend into spiritual creation for maturity. So why must it happen that all of a sudden the beings at the lowest point of spiritual creation have to go all the way to gross matter to mature, how does it happen that it is not the ethereal realm or animistic realm we go to mature?
Please reply on your free time. I thought the inquiry thread might no longer be active which was why I removed the former question.

Thanks.

You hinted on the answer to you question yourself. Divine beings, animistic beings, and human spirits are all different species; and hence carry different abilities.

Look around you on earth you see the same thing represented even in the physical realm. There are species of animals that give birth to live offspring while others lay eggs.
Your question is like asking, “why do goats give birth to kids and chickens lay eggs?” They are different species and hence exhibit different characteristics.
It’s like asking, “why are sharks born ready to fend for themselves without needing parenting while most animals are born totally dependent of their parents for a shorter or longer time.”
What about some unique aquatic animals, like tetrapods that live in the water, yet lay eggs on the land. The eggs must hatch on the land and the infant must find their way back to the sea where they were conceived, or they will perish on land. This is almost like the human spirit which awakens or hatches in subsequent creation and must find its way back to creation or perish.

Let’s look at plants for example. Some must eject their on to the land for an offspring to arise. Another can be propagated by ingrafting, without needing to be planted. Another only propagates when you cut of a piece of the stem and plants it.

Divine beings should not even enter this discussion because they are not part of creation. They, as part of the unavoidable radiation of God have always existed; there are not created beings. Hence, they are called the elders or eternal ones. God is Light, and Light must radiate. The Divine beings are the direct radiation of God.

Primordial beings, created directly by the Holy Spirit do not need to leave their sphere to mature. They were created fully grown and mature; even the primordial specie that develops from children do not leave the primordial spiritual sphere to attain this development.

The same is applicable with the spiritual, in terms of coming into being fully conscious. Even the spiritual that develop from children do not need to descend into matter to attain development.

Only the human spiritual, which is the weakest species of spirit, needs to descend into the world of matter or subsequent creation to achieve consciousness. The spiritual species consists of The Primordial spiritual, The spiritual, and The human spiritual.) The human spiritual comes into being as spirit seed which must develop into a spirit germ and planted into the world of matter where it can attain consciousness and develop till it returns home. It did not come into being in a fully conscious state like other spiritual species above it. It is too weak to awaken to full consciousness in its home because of the pressure of the nearness of God there. Hence it needs to the world of matter where due to further distance from the Light, the pressure is weaker. One can say that only the world of matter caries the condition necessary for the spirit germ to grow and mature.

Here is an analogy: Mammals can form inside the womb of their mother, while reptiles and birds must form in an egg outside their mothers. In this analogy, mammals represent the Primordial spiritual and spiritual, while birds and reptiles represent the human spirits. And the wombs of their mothers represent their planes or spheres of origin.

It is like a seed that must fall off the tree to the ground where it can germinate and grow. Only the ground offers it the condition necessary for its germination and growth. Indeed, some seeds need to be planted under the soil. The conditions, like the direct sunlight and air pressure above the ground or on the tree where the seed came from are too strong and harsh to allow the seed to germinate. Hence the seed must be planted under the soil where it is not exposed to direct sunlight and harsh or dry air.

There is nothing strange or stupendous in the case of the human spirit; we see similar process of development all around us in both plant and animal kingdom.

The fact that the animals travel lesser distance than the human spirit to arrive on earth is simply because the animals originate from the lowest point of the animistic sphere which far closer to the earth than the lowest part of the spiritual sphere from where the human spirit originate.


The earth or the physical plane is the lowest in the rung of God’s creation; planes lower than the physical need not exist and did not stem from God’s Will. Here on earth, due to the enormous distance from the Light, the pressure is so reduced that the spiritual can fully awaken or activate its will; and strengthen it through exercise or living according to God’s Wil till it is strong enough to remain awake even in Paradise or the Kingdom of God . Animals have to be on earth because they have roles to play here, just as we human spirits have a role to play here too.

Thanks and remain blessed.

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Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by Lifeseeker(m): 6:59am On Dec 22, 2020
justcool:


You hinted on the answer to you question yourself. Divine beings, animistic beings, and human spirits are all different species; and hence carry different abilities.

Look around you on earth you see the same thing represented even in the physical realm. There are species of animals that give birth to live offspring while others lay eggs.
Your question is like asking, “why do goats give birth to kids and chickens lay eggs?” They are different species and hence exhibit different characteristics.
It’s like asking, “why are sharks born ready to fend for themselves without needing parenting while most animals are born totally dependent of their parents for a shorter or longer time.”
What about some unique aquatic animals, like tetrapods that live in the water, yet lay eggs on the land. The eggs must hatch on the land and the infant must find their way back to the sea where they were conceived, or they will perish on land. This is almost like the human spirit which awakens or hatches in subsequent creation and must find its way back to creation or perish.

Let’s look at plants for example. Some must eject their on to the land for an offspring to arise. Another can be propagated by ingrafting, without needing to be planted. Another only propagates when you cut of a piece of the stem and plants it.

Divine beings should not even enter this discussion because they are not part of creation. They, as part of the unavoidable radiation of God have always existed; there are not created beings. Hence, they are called the elders or eternal ones. God is Light, and Light must radiate. The Divine beings are the direct radiation of God.

Primordial beings, created directly by the Holy Spirit do not need to leave their sphere to mature. They were created fully grown and mature; even the primordial specie that develops from children do not leave the primordial spiritual sphere to attain this development.

The same is applicable with the spiritual, in terms of coming into being fully conscious. Even the spiritual that develop from children do not need to descend into matter to attain development.

Only the human spiritual, which is the weakest species of spirit, needs to descend into the world of matter or subsequent creation to achieve consciousness. The spiritual species consists of The Primordial spiritual, The spiritual, and The human spiritual.) The human spiritual comes into being as spirit seed which must develop into a spirit germ and planted into the world of matter where it can attain consciousness and develop till it returns home. It did not come into being in a fully conscious state like other spiritual species above it. It is too weak to awaken to full consciousness in its home because of the pressure of the nearness of God there. Hence it needs to the world of matter where due to further distance from the Light, the pressure is weaker. One can say that only the world of matter caries the condition necessary for the spirit germ to grow and mature.

Here is an analogy: Mammals can form inside the womb of their mother, while reptiles and birds must form in an egg outside their mothers. In this analogy, mammals represent the Primordial spiritual and spiritual, while birds and reptiles represent the human spirits. And the wombs of their mothers represent their planes or spheres of origin.

It is like a seed that must fall off the tree to the ground where it can germinate and grow. Only the ground offers it the condition necessary for its germination and growth. Indeed, some seeds need to be planted under the soil. The conditions, like the direct sunlight and air pressure above the ground or on the tree where the seed came from are too strong and harsh to allow the seed to germinate. Hence the seed must be planted under the soil where it is not exposed to direct sunlight and harsh or dry air.

There is nothing strange or stupendous in the case of the human spirit; we see similar process of development all around us in both plant and animal kingdom.

The fact that the animals travel lesser distance than the human spirit to arrive on earth is simply because the animals originate from the lowest point of the animistic sphere which far closer to the earth than the lowest part of the spiritual sphere from where the human spirit originate.


The earth or the physical plane is the lowest in the rung of God’s creation; planes lower than the physical need not exist and did not stem from God’s Will. Here on earth, due to the enormous distance from the Light, the pressure is so reduced that the spiritual can fully awaken or activate its will; and strengthen it through exercise or living according to God’s Wil till it is strong enough to remain awake even in Paradise or the Kingdom of God . Animals have to be on earth because they have roles to play here, just as we human spirits have a role to play here too.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Thanks Justcool. Your post has cleared things up a lot for me.
Please allow me to ask the question I previously asked on the Inquiry for Justcool and Mnwankwo thread and in different words as I don’t remember the original way I put it. Reply when you can. (Edited) I am now going to ask this question on the Inquiry thread.
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by Jomonix: 12:23pm On Dec 27, 2020
justcool:


You hinted on the answer to you question yourself. Divine beings, animistic beings, and human spirits are all different species; and hence carry different abilities.

Look around you on earth you see the same thing represented even in the physical realm. There are species of animals that give birth to live offspring while others lay eggs.
Your question is like asking, “why do goats give birth to kids and chickens lay eggs?” They are different species and hence exhibit different characteristics.
It’s like asking, “why are sharks born ready to fend for themselves without needing parenting while most animals are born totally dependent of their parents for a shorter or longer time.”
What about some unique aquatic animals, like tetrapods that live in the water, yet lay eggs on the land. The eggs must hatch on the land and the infant must find their way back to the sea where they were conceived, or they will perish on land. This is almost like the human spirit which awakens or hatches in subsequent creation and must find its way back to creation or perish.

Let’s look at plants for example. Some must eject their on to the land for an offspring to arise. Another can be propagated by ingrafting, without needing to be planted. Another only propagates when you cut of a piece of the stem and plants it.

Divine beings should not even enter this discussion because they are not part of creation. They, as part of the unavoidable radiation of God have always existed; there are not created beings. Hence, they are called the elders or eternal ones. God is Light, and Light must radiate. The Divine beings are the direct radiation of God.

Primordial beings, created directly by the Holy Spirit do not need to leave their sphere to mature. They were created fully grown and mature; even the primordial specie that develops from children do not leave the primordial spiritual sphere to attain this development.

The same is applicable with the spiritual, in terms of coming into being fully conscious. Even the spiritual that develop from children do not need to descend into matter to attain development.

Only the human spiritual, which is the weakest species of spirit, needs to descend into the world of matter or subsequent creation to achieve consciousness. The spiritual species consists of The Primordial spiritual, The spiritual, and The human spiritual.) The human spiritual comes into being as spirit seed which must develop into a spirit germ and planted into the world of matter where it can attain consciousness and develop till it returns home. It did not come into being in a fully conscious state like other spiritual species above it. It is too weak to awaken to full consciousness in its home because of the pressure of the nearness of God there. Hence it needs to the world of matter where due to further distance from the Light, the pressure is weaker. One can say that only the world of matter caries the condition necessary for the spirit germ to grow and mature.

Here is an analogy: Mammals can form inside the womb of their mother, while reptiles and birds must form in an egg outside their mothers. In this analogy, mammals represent the Primordial spiritual and spiritual, while birds and reptiles represent the human spirits. And the wombs of their mothers represent their planes or spheres of origin.

It is like a seed that must fall off the tree to the ground where it can germinate and grow. Only the ground offers it the condition necessary for its germination and growth. Indeed, some seeds need to be planted under the soil. The conditions, like the direct sunlight and air pressure above the ground or on the tree where the seed came from are too strong and harsh to allow the seed to germinate. Hence the seed must be planted under the soil where it is not exposed to direct sunlight and harsh or dry air.

There is nothing strange or stupendous in the case of the human spirit; we see similar process of development all around us in both plant and animal kingdom.

The fact that the animals travel lesser distance than the human spirit to arrive on earth is simply because the animals originate from the lowest point of the animistic sphere which far closer to the earth than the lowest part of the spiritual sphere from where the human spirit originate.


The earth or the physical plane is the lowest in the rung of God’s creation; planes lower than the physical need not exist and did not stem from God’s Will. Here on earth, due to the enormous distance from the Light, the pressure is so reduced that the spiritual can fully awaken or activate its will; and strengthen it through exercise or living according to God’s Wil till it is strong enough to remain awake even in Paradise or the Kingdom of God . Animals have to be on earth because they have roles to play here, just as we human spirits have a role to play here too.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Though I have read the Grail Message but your clarification here is a eureka moment for me. Thanks.
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by justcool(m): 12:20pm On May 15
The preacher’s apprentice.

A preacher and his apprentice boarded a plane. They were traveling to the east on an evangelical mission. As the metallic bird pierced through the skies, the preacher started enthusiastically teaching his trainee. From one page of the scripture to the next and from one book to the next he pulled information and stitching them together, he made his case, assuring his apprentice that as believers they were assured of salvation. The student listened, totally mesmerized by his teacher’s knowledge.

Soon the skies started mumbling and a very loud thunderclap announced the plane had entered a heavy storm. The passengers became startled, and many kids held on to their parents, afraid as the plane galloped and undulated in the turbulent clouds. Then to the horror of everybody in the plane, a lightening bolt struck the right wing of the airplane, giving the plane a big jolt. A minute later, the Pilot announced that they had lost one of the engines of the three-engine airplane. He asked the flight attendants to make sure everybody was buckled to their seats as they were entering a heavier tempest. And finally, he asked the passengers to remain clam. But one could notice the panic in his voice, even though he tried his best to conceal it as he had been trained to do.

Despite the steward’s efforts to calm the people, disorder began to increase in the plane by the minute. The pastor switched his mode from preaching to praying; he spoke in many tongues, calling and reminding Jesus that He could defeat the devil that was trying to make the plane crash. One could hear murmurs, whispers and prayers from all parts of the plane, all laden with fright and fear of an impending doom. The almost silent whisperings and prayers broke into loud cries of frenzy when another lighting bolt struck the other wing of the plane, taking out the second engine. Now left with only one engine and battered by the terribly angry storm, the airplane shock and swung from left to right as it flew.

The passengers screamed at the top of their voices. The pastor raised his bible and waved it from left to right, reminding God of His promises, and demanding that God should end the storm immediately, as if him and God once signed a treaty that he will never get caught in flight disaster. To the pastor’s prayers, his trainee added the loudest “Amens!” he could muster. The frenzy reached a crescendo when one of the passengers, out of panic, unbuckled herself and stood up, then a sudden jerk from the airplane threw her across the isle and she passed out. People screamed and screamed and screamed at the top of their voices.

Only one man remained calm. He did gasp when the lightning took out the engine, but he never went into a frenzy. Like many in the plane he prayed too, but in a calm manner: He simply clamped his palms together rested his chin on them and closed his eyes for a few minutes.

After the whole ordeal had clamed down, and the plane had landed safely in a nearby airport, as the passengers were still recovering from the shock of what they had experienced in the plane, the Pastor’s apprentice walked up to the man who had remained clam through the ordeal.
“Sir, may I ask, what’s your religion?” The preacher’s apprentice asked the man.
“Why do you ask?” The man replied.
“I noticed how calm you were during the frightening storm. How did you know that the plane was not going to crash and that we weren’t going to die?” the apprenticed asked.
The man smiled and said, “I didn’t know we weren’t about to die. I had actually prayed, during the storm, that we would be safe.”
Alarmed, the apprentice almost screamed, “Are you not afraid of death?”
“You believe in God, you believe that life continues after death, and you have lived an honest life.”
The apprentice nodded as the man continued, “Then why do you panic so much in the face of death? Why when confronted by death you behave as if it’s all about to end when actually it’s only a transition?”

The apprentice walked back to the pastor, shock his hands and parted ways with him.
“Where are you going?” the Pastor asked.
“I have found a man with genuine faith and I’m going to ask him to accept me as his apprentice. The ordeal we experienced in the flight had shown me that neither you nor I possessed genuine faith. Bye and thanks for everything.” The freed man said and walked away.
To remain calm during the turbulent phases of life is to show genuine faith in God.
The best way to spread the Truth is to live it. The way you live speaks louder than your words.

Fidelis Nwabueze
5/7/21
Re: To Keep You Awake. Part 1 by Lifeseeker(m): 2:49am On May 31
justcool:
The preacher’s apprentice.

A preacher and his apprentice boarded a plane. They were traveling to the east on an evangelical mission. As the metallic bird pierced through the skies, the preacher started enthusiastically teaching his trainee. From one page of the scripture to the next and from one book to the next he pulled information and stitching them together, he made his case, assuring his apprentice that as believers they were assured of salvation. The student listened, totally mesmerized by his teacher’s knowledge.

Soon the skies started mumbling and a very loud thunderclap announced the plane had entered a heavy storm. The passengers became startled, and many kids held on to their parents, afraid as the plane galloped and undulated in the turbulent clouds. Then to the horror of everybody in the plane, a lightening bolt struck the right wing of the airplane, giving the plane a big jolt. A minute later, the Pilot announced that they had lost one of the engines of the three-engine airplane. He asked the flight attendants to make sure everybody was buckled to their seats as they were entering a heavier tempest. And finally, he asked the passengers to remain clam. But one could notice the panic in his voice, even though he tried his best to conceal it as he had been trained to do.

Despite the steward’s efforts to calm the people, disorder began to increase in the plane by the minute. The pastor switched his mode from preaching to praying; he spoke in many tongues, calling and reminding Jesus that He could defeat the devil that was trying to make the plane crash. One could hear murmurs, whispers and prayers from all parts of the plane, all laden with fright and fear of an impending doom. The almost silent whisperings and prayers broke into loud cries of frenzy when another lighting bolt struck the other wing of the plane, taking out the second engine. Now left with only one engine and battered by the terribly angry storm, the airplane shock and swung from left to right as it flew.

The passengers screamed at the top of their voices. The pastor raised his bible and waved it from left to right, reminding God of His promises, and demanding that God should end the storm immediately, as if him and God once signed a treaty that he will never get caught in flight disaster. To the pastor’s prayers, his trainee added the loudest “Amens!” he could muster. The frenzy reached a crescendo when one of the passengers, out of panic, unbuckled herself and stood up, then a sudden jerk from the airplane threw her across the isle and she passed out. People screamed and screamed and screamed at the top of their voices.

Only one man remained calm. He did gasp when the lightning took out the engine, but he never went into a frenzy. Like many in the plane he prayed too, but in a calm manner: He simply clamped his palms together rested his chin on them and closed his eyes for a few minutes.

After the whole ordeal had clamed down, and the plane had landed safely in a nearby airport, as the passengers were still recovering from the shock of what they had experienced in the plane, the Pastor’s apprentice walked up to the man who had remained clam through the ordeal.
“Sir, may I ask, what’s your religion?” The preacher’s apprentice asked the man.
“Why do you ask?” The man replied.
“I noticed how calm you were during the frightening storm. How did you know that the plane was not going to crash and that we weren’t going to die?” the apprenticed asked.
The man smiled and said, “I didn’t know we weren’t about to die. I had actually prayed, during the storm, that we would be safe.”
Alarmed, the apprentice almost screamed, “Are you not afraid of death?”
“You believe in God, you believe that life continues after death, and you have lived an honest life.”
The apprentice nodded as the man continued, “Then why do you panic so much in the face of death? Why when confronted by death you behave as if it’s all about to end when actually it’s only a transition?”

The apprentice walked back to the pastor, shock his hands and parted ways with him.
“Where are you going?” the Pastor asked.
“I have found a man with genuine faith and I’m going to ask him to accept me as his apprentice. The ordeal we experienced in the flight had shown me that neither you nor I possessed genuine faith. Bye and thanks for everything.” The freed man said and walked away.
To remain calm during the turbulent phases of life is to show genuine faith in God.
The best way to spread the Truth is to live it. The way you live speaks louder than your words.

Fidelis Nwabueze
5/7/21

This a very beneficial post. I am striving to have such conviction.

Justcool, please I wanted to let you know that I moved my post from this thread to the Grail Message Inquiry thread. I apologize if this causes you any inconvenience. I did not want my questions to obstruct the purpose of this thread so I thought it would be better to ask it on the inquiry thread. It is there now.

Thank you.

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