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Re: Christianity And LGBT by HellVictorinho(m): 12:10pm On Nov 15
Life is an absurdity.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by jeruzi(m): 12:28pm On Nov 15
1Sharon:


My friend shut the hell up. Homosexuality is a natural and it's not "bad"

Gay people are not your problem.
No ms. You are wrong. Homosexuality is not natural, it's perversion of the natural. If you are involved in it, you have to stop for your own sake
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Heathen777(m): 12:35pm On Nov 15
Ihedinobi3:


I think that that is a comparison of apples and oranges. Writing is a human invention with which we communicate and preserve knowledge. It is not a moral matter at all. We write in many different ways, with lead markings, with ink, and now with phones, tablets, and laptops. It is a question of convenience and ability how we write, not one of morality.

Who gets to decide what constitutes a moral matter. A culture/religion may consider it as a moral matter, and create its set of guidelines.

Your argument is centered around how we use our body parts. You were saying that using those parts for something other than what its biological purpose is - is wrong.

So by your own admission (from this response), using your body part in an alternative way isn't necessarily wrong in itself.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Heathen777(m): 12:43pm On Nov 15
Image123:


So homosexuality is a deformity right?

It's a natural disposition, that people are born with.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Heathen777(m): 1:00pm On Nov 15
Image123:


This rubbish argument keeps popping up too. Who says it's not harmful to anyone? It is harmful to me and every true Christian fa of that is your basis. It is harmful to most of the family members and neighbors of the LGBT. Your reasoning is like saying, if your wife consented to sex outside marriage, it is a harm to no one. While the two sides probably enjoy the sin, it should hurt you if you are normal. It should hurt your children and close ones if they heard.

Well, extramarital affairs may hurt the other partner in the relationship because it could be a breach of trust. If the other partner is aware and approves, then it is okay.

Either way, extramarital relations are not made illegal (at least not in most nations), because it is consensual and no one is harmed, and neither should homosexuality.

Also, how do homosexuals hurt you? Saying Christians are hurt by homosexuals, is like saying that Muslims are hurt by pork eaters.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Ihedinobi3: 1:06pm On Nov 15
Heathen777:


Who gets to decide what constitutes a moral matter. A culture/religion may consider it as a moral matter, and create its set of guidelines.

Your argument is centered around how we use our body parts. You were saying that using those parts for something other than what its biological purpose is - is wrong.

So by your own admission (from this response), using your body part in an alternative way isn't necessarily wrong in itself.


Your argument provides the evidence for the futility of debates between atheists and Christians. We don't share fundamental appreciations of reality. When you ask who decides what constitutes a moral matter, the answer is obviously God for the Christian, but for you atheists, it could be yourself, the state, or the flying spaghetti monster whenever it takes your fancy. So, where do we go from there? We don't agree on how the human body came into existence, so we cannot agree on who or what has the right to dictate its use. So, we might as well forego the debate.

My argument is consistent within itself. It just isn't compatible with your worldview, and that does not make it wrong. It only makes it unacceptable to you and others who share your worldview. So, while indeed writing is not a moral matter in the Christian worldview, sexuality very much is. Therefore, even though it is not wrong in and of itself to use the body in an alternative way in some neutral matter, using it in a different way than dictated by God in moral matters is wrong.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Hermes119: 2:00pm On Nov 15
Ihedinobi3:


I think that that is a comparison of apples and oranges. Writing is a human invention with which we communicate and preserve knowledge. It is not a moral matter at all. We write in many different ways, with lead markings, with ink, and now with phones, tablets, and laptops. It is a question of
and ability how we write, not one of morality.

What of childbirth,it is not a human invention so Caesarian sections must be bad right ?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Hermes119: 2:05pm On Nov 15
Ihedinobi3:


I asked questions several times and in different ways, LordReed, and you accused me of playing dumb.

I don't see the difference between your argument about homosexuality here and how I stated it earlier.

I think that your claim about the effects of homosexuality on the human community is both ignoring the obvious and assuming perfect knowledge of humanity, both of which make me unwilling to accept its validity. Obviously, homosexual relationships limit the perpetuation of the human race since it ties up reproductive resources. That is deleterious in nature. Since, also, you cannot know humanity perfectly, it is entirely possible that there are other deleterious effects that you failing to reckon. For one thing, if homosexuality is truly evidencing insanity, then it may be tied to other deleterious effects that are not immediately apparent to you. So, it is not a comparison of apples and oranges.

You say homosexuality is wrong because it ties up reproductive resources, can we condemn Friars too. Besides homosexuality is about pleasure not reproduction, a homosexual person can still have as many kids as s/he wants if that is a necessity to the person.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Hermes119: 2:07pm On Nov 15
Ihedinobi3:


No, no one is under any compulsion to follow the Christian way. But that is exactly the same as saying that no one is under any compulsion to eat healthily. You can eat anything you like. But if you eat unhealthy things, you will harm yourself. Is that bad? Whatever you think, I think you would agree that it isn't good. Likewise, you are free to indulge in homosexuality if it is not against the law and your partner is consenting, but that does not mean that it is a good or proper thing to do. It is harmful to you and to the rest of the human community, even if you have the liberty to do it.

How is it harmful to the human community ?

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Hermes119: 2:13pm On Nov 15
Ihedinobi3:


I think that you just made my argument for me. Obviously, homosexual relationships do not produce offspring without help from heterosexual activity. So, the very thing is an argument against its own self.

This is, of course, not even bothering with any arguments about the effect that being raised in an unnatural family setting has on any child. Of course, the individuality of human beings can also cancel such effects in the children, but that does not mean that it is by any means ideal for them.

I'm afraid I might not continue this debate going forward, LordReed. I really don't see what good doing so would do.
The point of homosexual relationships is not for reproduction !!!

People who have been raised by a "natural family setting" still end up as criminals and the rest. It is not about the setting its about the training. We have single parents and orphanages and other unnatural settings raising kids who become law abiding adults

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Hermes119: 2:15pm On Nov 15
jeruzi:
No ms. You are wrong. Homosexuality is not natural, it's perversion of the natural. If you are involved in it, you have to stop for your own sake

I'm tired of hearing that homosexuality is unnatural so I would ask u these questions

1) What do u mean by natural and show how homosexuality diverts from that norm

2) Do u consider every other act that is "unnatural" to be bad ?

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Ihedinobi3: 2:45pm On Nov 15
Hermes119:


What of childbirth,it is not a human invention so Caesarian sections must be bad right ?
Hermes119:


You say homosexuality is wrong because it ties up reproductive resources, can we condemn Friars too. Besides homosexuality is about pleasure not reproduction, a homosexual person can still have as many kids as s/he wants if that is a necessity to the person.
Hermes119:


How is it harmful to the human community ?

Hermes119:

The point of homosexual relationships is not for reproduction !!!

People who have been raised by a "natural family setting" still end up as criminals and the rest. It is not about the setting its about the training. We have single parents and orphanages and other unnatural settings raising kids who become law abiding adults
Hermes119:

The point of homosexual relationships is not for reproduction !!!

People who have been raised by a "natural family setting" still end up as criminals and the rest. It is not about the setting its about the training. We have single parents and orphanages and other unnatural settings raising kids who become law abiding adults
Hermes119:


I'm tired of hearing that homosexuality is unnatural so I would ask u these questions

1) What do u mean by natural and show how homosexuality diverts from that norm

2) Do u consider every other act that is "unnatural" to be bad ?

Taking your questions and counters in order...

I'm not sure how childbirth is a moral issue in the Christian worldview. I've never seen it to be so in the Bible.

I'm not sure what we are arguing about here. The sexual aspect of the human nature was designed both for pleasure and for reproduction. When one insists on pleasure to the detriment of reproduction, that can be an affront to God. As I have already told others here, obviously this is something on which Christians and atheists fundamentally disagree, since we don't even agree on how the human person exists at all and, therefore, to whom we have any responsibility for our choices. But, obviously, if homosexuality exists purely for pleasure, then it has nothing to do with reproduction. If it has nothing to do with reproduction, then the whole argument about homosexuals being able to have and raise kids is really stealing from a paradigm outside of homosexuality, that is, homosexuality is hitching a ride for legitimacy off of the back of heterosexuality.

As recent events prove, once we begin to legitimize insanity and immorality, we demonstrate that we have lost basic human decency. Human sexuality is a sacred thing. It takes breaking through a few other common sense limits to get to the point where we call an obvious madness a legitimate thing. So, if we are not only legitimizing but also legalizing homosexual relationships, the human community is pretty much fit for nothing good anymore. What tends to follow that is summary destruction by God. But then, this is not in your worldview, so you need not make an issue of it.

As I said, even the children born or raised in the different family or home situations that exist in the world have a free will and can make a choice for themselves, independent of the various stimuli that they have to deal with, who they want to be. So, that is not at all any reason to think that the environment in which they are born or raised has no impact on them. It certainly does. They're just able to decide how to let it impact them.

What I mean by natural is what God calls or defines as natural in the Bible. It is also perspicuous to the still-normal human conscience. Atheists, by definition, have already rejected reality, so their consciences are "seared," a term used by the Bible to denote a conscience that is pretty much destroyed. So, when we Christians make this argument, we understand that it means nothing to the atheist, but we make it to explain where we stand.

I have no idea what you think I consider to be unnatural, so I don't even know how to begin to answer your question.

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Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:05pm On Nov 15
LordReed:


Homosexuals are not barren so why would the human race go extinct?

Increase in crime? Danger to children? You are just making those up.

The depression and trauma are because people like you continue to live in denial and want to force Homosexuals to become heterosexual.

How many children have homosexual couples produced? Zero. It's unfortunate why i have to state the obvious. The more homos we have, the less children we have in the society, it's common sense.
Millions of people are depressed and traumatized nonetheless.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:14pm On Nov 15
LordReed:


This is a poor argument. I don't have sex with my wife in the middle of the road doesn't mean I don't have sex with my wife at all. What then is different with homosexuals? Are they clamouring to have sex in the middle of the road like animals? Or the simple recognition you give every human being?

It is the line you chose, remember? You were trying to prove that homosexuality is natural and animals do it, so i have to ask you if you behave like an animal in those natural areas too? Are we as humans to react only on how we feel or we can control our feelings? Your chief witnesses and models do not control themselves, do they. It is natural for them to poop when they feel it, it is natural for them too to be homos when they feel like it. But at least, thank God you don't have sex or poop just because you feel like it. You do what you think is human and decent as against the "natural" feelings you had about all the random women on the streets and offices.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:17pm On Nov 15
LordReed:


The reason cures were even attempted was because of the wrong notion that they were somehow sick which of course is false.

Hopefully I look forward to world that does away with all these antiquated notions.

If you are presented with testimonies of people who say they were cured by Jesus, you would accept it, right?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:25pm On Nov 15
DeusXmachina:

Can you please point me to where these effects are observed in societies that accepted homosexuality today?

And another thing homosexuals have always been a minority, a certain small, but not insignificant percentage in a population, even after social acceptance, the percentage of gay people in a society doesn't somehow increase, it remains the same. Only people that where in hiding come out.

An Average straight person doesn't just wake up one day and decide to be homosexual, that's not how it works. So why do you assume that humans will go extinct because of it?

I mentioned an INSTANCE where everyone was homo. You say homos are a minority but i should point out what i said will happen in a majority. Be careful.
How many homos do you know BTW? Many sodomites i know were influenced into it. Either by media, in hostels, prisons or same sex pressure environments. If you go to a place that has a lack of the opposite gender, you would see such practices more prevalent. It's this plain.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:29pm On Nov 15
LordReed:


LoL. Apparently it is you assuming homosexuals are incapable of having children, on the contrary we have numerous examples of homosexuals having their own biological children. We also know of homosexual couples adopting children. In every study conducted so far, no children of homosexual couples have suffered any increased disadvantage nor are they more likely to become homosexual themselves. There simply are no deleterious effects exclusive to homosexuality.

cheesy cheesy cheesy you are blind, right? They adopted children and you are asking if they are barren. Why didn't they naturally have children since they are natural. They go to look for sperm or egg, lol. Make the poor ones hear well oh, explain to them wella while convincing them to be natural, lol. Let them have children by being homos na. Rubbish
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:32pm On Nov 15
LordReed:


LoL, so when heterosexual couples require help to conceive or adopt children its an argument against heterosexuality? Be serious, it is not argument against anything.

LoLz, with the unnatural still. To reiterate there is nothing unnatural about homosexuality, homosexual coupling or homosexuals raising children. All these things are found in nature.

Good you say WHEN, because homos will ALWAYS require help to conceive and adopt.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:34pm On Nov 15
Heathen777:


It's a natural disposition, that people are born with.

But you were comparing it to a deformity na.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:41pm On Nov 15
Heathen777:


Well, extramarital affairs may hurt the other partner in the relationship because it could be a breach of trust. If the other partner is aware and approves, then it is okay.

Either way, extramarital relations are not made illegal (at least not in most nations), because it is consensual and no one is harmed, and neither should homosexuality.

Also, how do homosexuals hurt you? Saying Christians are hurt by homosexuals, is like saying that Muslims are hurt by pork eaters.

You are contradicting yourself. You say "extramarital affairs may hurt", then turn to say "no one is harmed". Either you are a liar to yourself or very young and inexperienced. Extramarital affairs hurt, hurt very deeply and even sometimes permanently. You guys were asking for the negative sides of being homo and stating glibly that it harms no one. Now, it is shown to you that it harms people, you want to shift the goal. Go and tell your mother that you are homo and see if she'll not likely land in the hospital.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 11:43pm On Nov 15
Hermes119:


What of childbirth,it is not a human invention so Caesarian sections must be bad right ?

What is this one saying again. Does CS not aid childbirth?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 12:27am On Nov 16
Hermes119:
You say homosexuality is wrong because it ties up reproductive resources, can we condemn Friars too. Besides homosexuality is about pleasure not reproduction, a homosexual person can still have as many kids as s/he wants if that is a necessity to the person.
You stopped short of adding that permissible and/or acceptable homosexuality is about love, relationship, friendship, deep affection, caring, doting, devotion, kindness, fondness, warmth, commitment, companionship, loyalty, faithfulness, thoughtfulness, mutual understanding, reproduction or procreation via surrogacy et cetera

Everybody needs somebody to love, and of course, God created woman to assist with reproduction, but love in the hierarchy of things, ranks higher than reproduction. Now this is it and here is the point, lmso, reproduction isn't the main aspect of human beings' life, love is the main aspect. Three things will last forever, and they are: faith, hope, and love, of which the greatest of these, is love (i.e. 1 Corinthians 13:13)

It is a good thing to be faithful to another person. It is a good thing to hope to love another person. It is a good thing to find another person to love.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 12:45am On Nov 16
MuttleyLaff:
You stopped short of adding that permissible and/or acceptable homosexuality is about love, relationship, friendship, deep affection, caring, doting, devotion, kindness, fondness, warmth, commitment, companionship, loyalty, faithfulness, thoughtfulness, mutual understanding, reproduction or procreation via surrogacy et cetera

Exactly, just like prostitutes also make clean money from the proceeds of the jobs and big supermarkets/boutiques they run.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 1:06am On Nov 16
Image123:
Exactly, just like prostitutes also make clean money from the proceeds of the jobs and big supermarkets/boutiques they run.

Exactly just like prostitutes what?

God has no problem with prostitutes. Prostitutes, in early biblical times speaking, were a problem and nuisance to God, in terms of them being associated with orgastic temple rites, temple prostitutions, infidelity, sexual sacrifices with the belief that having sex with qadesh (i.e. in Biblical times, qadesh are men whose quality of life has degenerated to the point of being attached to certain temples, as temple male prostitutes engaging in sexual activity thats paid for) brings about divine favour, blessings and/or a new and higher level of spirituality, sexual fertility rites et cetera.

Situation of men dressed up as women and women dressed up as men, establishing themselves as sacred qadesh (i.e. male cult temple prostitutes/servants) and qedesha (i.e. female cult temple prostitutes/servants), now God had a problem with all this and categorically didnt want the Israelites badly influenced from importing and mirroring the Canaanites' idolatry cross dressing prostitution practice to desecrate the worship and reverence of Him with this distasteful ritual and impurity idolatry practice.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 1:30am On Nov 16
MuttleyLaff:

Exactly just like prostitutes what?

God has no problem with prostitutes. Prostitutes, in early biblical times speaking, were a problem and nuisance to God, in terms of them being associated with orgastic temple rites, temple prostitutions, infidelity, sexual sacrifices with the belief that having sex with qadesh (i.e. in Biblical times, qadesh are men whose quality of life has degenerated to the point of being attached to certain temples, as temple male prostitutes engaging in sexual activity thats paid for) brings about divine favour, blessings and/or a new and higher level of spirituality, sexual fertility rites et cetera.

Situation of men dressed up as women and women dressed up as men, establishing themselves as sacred qadesh (i.e. male cult temple prostitutes/servants) and qedesha (i.e. female cult temple prostitutes/servants), now God had a problem with all this and categorically didnt want the Israelites badly influenced from importing and mirroring the Canaanites' idolatry cross dressing prostitution practice to desecrate the worship and reverence of Him with this distasteful ritual and impurity idolatry practice.


Meaning that you consider it okay to be a prostitute?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 2:38am On Nov 16
Image123:
Meaning that you consider it okay to be a prostitute?
Re-read the post you've asked this question in response to for your answer
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Image123(m): 2:48am On Nov 16
MuttleyLaff:
Re-read the post you've asked this question in response to for your answer

The post said "God has no problem with prostitutes." So i want to get you clearly. You personally, do you consider it okay to be a prostitute?
Re: Christianity And LGBT by MuttleyLaff: 3:42am On Nov 16
Image123:
The post said "God has no problem with prostitutes." So i want to get you clearly. You personally, do you consider it okay to be a prostitute?
Let me, in hindsight, clarify and qualify this for you by saying, biblically speaking, God has no problem with prostitutes per se, but God does mind a category type of prostitutes and this I have already shared what type this is, so to answer your question, it is evident that I dont consider it OK to be any of them sort of prostitutes associated with orgastic temple rites, temple prostitutions, infidelity, sexual sacrifices with the belief that having sex with qadesh/qedesha (i.e. in Biblical times, qadesh are men and qedesha are women, whose quality of life have degenerated to the point of being attached to certain temples, as temple male/female prostitutes engaging in sexual activity thats paid for) brings about divine favour, blessings and/or a new and higher level of spirituality, sexual fertility rites et cetera.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by Palehair: 6:18am On Nov 16
Image123:


Of course, he has done what he can to dribble and encourage us to follow the animals as our role models.
Same way you gave religion as your backbone? Yea, alright
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:19am On Nov 16
Image123:


How many children have homosexual couples produced? Zero. It's unfortunate why i have to state the obvious. The more homos we have, the less children we have in the society, it's common sense.
Millions of people are depressed and traumatized nonetheless.

LoL! You must live in a cave were you've never heard of sperm banks and surrogacy. Homosexual couples have those options and utilise them to get biological children. So your doomsday scenario is defeated.
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:22am On Nov 16
Image123:


cheesy cheesy cheesy you are blind, right? They adopted children and you are asking if they are barren. Why didn't they naturally have children since they are natural. They go to look for sperm or egg, lol. Make the poor ones hear well oh, explain to them wella while convincing them to be natural, lol. Let them have children by being homos na. Rubbish

So what if they have aid in getting biological children? Do heterosexual couples not also sometimes need aid or adopt? What is clear is your nonsense scenario of human extinction because of homosexuals holds no water, go suck on that. LMFAO!
Re: Christianity And LGBT by LordReed(m): 7:23am On Nov 16
Image123:


It is the line you chose, remember? You were trying to prove that homosexuality is natural and animals do it, so i have to ask you if you behave like an animal in those natural areas too? Are we as humans to react only on how we feel or we can control our feelings? Your chief witnesses and models do not control themselves, do they. It is natural for them to poop when they feel it, it is natural for them too to be homos when they feel like it. But at least, thank God you don't have sex or poop just because you feel like it. You do what you think is human and decent as against the "natural" feelings you had about all the random women on the streets and offices.

So because animals poop, eat and have sex humans should not do same? Are you well?

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