jesusjnr2020:
John 1:1-3 (KJV)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


That meeting in the beginning was a meeting of the highest order of heaven. It involved the Three in one Person.

The Father, the Word (which later became flesh in Jesus) and the Spirit.

The Word and Spirit belongs to the Father and They were both instrumental in the Work He did in the beginning. The Word came out of His Mouth, and the Spirit performed the Word.

So when God said let Us make man in our Own image, the "Us" referred to Word and the Spirit which He used to make the things He made in the beginning.

He also used "let Us" in the Instance of the tower of babel, where the one language of the world was divided. It involved the same Word and the Spirit which He used to make things in the beginning, hence after the same Word was made flesh, and was multiplied after His death, and the Spirit of God performed the Word that had multiplied, they were able to speak in the one language that was divided because of the tower of Babel when God used the term, "let Us" as He did in the beginning.

God doesn't consult with the angels concerning any plans He has, He just makes decisions and gives them instructions to carry out. The angels weren't involved in the making of things in the beginning so God couldn't have been talking to them but those involved which was His Word and His Spirit.

God bless.

Electrochemistry:
you are very wrong. Image does not mean physical appearance but the qualities of God such as wisdom, free will etc

AustineJohn908:
Alright then. so who is the Word that was with God doing Creation.

Donspicey:



Isaiah 45:1-10 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

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Nothing here relates to my post....


so wats ur point?

BigBrother9ja:

The God who couldn't defend himself?

Even your Bible will rebuke you and be ashamed of you...

‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

The Bible says that God is not a son of man

‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)


The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’

‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)

Lastly,
Is it your god that was crying and felt FORSAKENED BY GOD?
Father father WHY HAVE THOU FORSAKEN ME...

Youngzedd:


There are so many scriptures that counters this claim. Below are some of them

a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
but have eternal life.

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Can God stand at the right hand of God?

Revelation 5:7
He (Christ) went and took the scroll from the right hand of him (God) who sat on the throne.


In conclusion: Christ is the son of God, not God himself.

Cc: divinemichael
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patomberekpe:


You just quoted john1:1 Can You read the same verse 10? I just noticed You only quote the verse that justify your claim,But put blind eyes to the rest,Please read Bible to the fullest, Jesus have a title, Lord God, As well As God and Lord himself.

Michoous:


Very selective in your scripture quotation.Why didn't you start from verse 15?

Jiokejohn:

QED!
Bible stated and clarified so.
Read Hebrew chapter 1 : 1 - 14 comprehensively.
I lay emphasis on verse 8 and 9.
{Hebrews 1:8-9
[8]But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
[9]You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”}
When words are written in quotes, we know what it implies, who is speaking, who is referring and who is being directed to.
Please, let us read and become wiser.

Paretomaster1:


Olodo! When Jesus himself pray, and constantly mentioned the father.... Was Jesus praying to himself, or asking for help from himself?

And don't give us the 3 in 1 bullshit...

thinkmoney:

The concluding words clarified the whole thing; FOR IT PLEASED THE FATHER.
The father made him and used him to create all things. Another part of the Bible said all things are placed under him, however that same part quickly went further to clarify that if all things were 'placed' under him, those things doesn't include the person placing it under him. That person is God the Father, Jehovah. That part of the Bible then ends like ; "so that God can be all in all". The absolute. The finality!

GOVERNMENT2:
NUMBERS 23:19 READ!

MrPRevailer:


Do you want to rewrite the Bible?

What does it mean when the Bible says "ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM".

Who created Hevean and Earth? Answer: GOD

Jesus said in

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Has plain English become too hard for an English speaker?

thinkmoney:

What's your point exactly? I have only quoted Bible above

MrPRevailer:


John 1:14 "The Word was made flesh and dwelt among men and we beheld his glory....

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

o42austino:
the son doesn't exist then, he was speaking with all the heavenly host(Angels). Jesus was not in heaven then. the first time jesus went to heaven was on the accession day.

mtisTheQubit:

i think ya confused there bro...God is not science...God is beyond what your limited mind can think of..He created the laws of science...you dont create something an become that thing...

thinkmoney:

What's your point exactly? I have only quoted Bible above

Do you want to rewrite the Bible?

What does it mean when the Bible says "ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM".

Who created Hevean and Earth? Answer: GOD

Jesus said in

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Has plain English become too hard for an English speaker?

MrPRevailer:


You quoted the Bible to prove what? That's Jesus is not God? You're claiming I took it out of context. Yet the scriptural verse is plain and simple not complex words.

I showed you that Jesus is God

sonmvayina:


Nobody..who ever wrote the gospel saying it was through jesus ovbiously was lying and being deceptive...

Every sane person who has done a proper reserch knows that christianity is just rebranded paganism..

sonmvayina:


Jesus is just a Roman/Greek invention to mock God and deceive people...jesus is fiction.

Read Isaiah 45:1-10

AustineJohn908:
But when we sing uto God, unto him...we feel his presence

AustineJohn908:
But when I'm singing a gospel song I feel like I'm in the spirit. I feel love. I feel the present of Jesus. I feel his love. no be lie na truth

livingchrist:
you have started looking for argument again, of course that is what your governing body idiots and watch tower dog teaches you.
Is Jesus not Jehovah God? Next time read and digest my post else you disgrace yourself.

jesusjnr1:
What makes me a liar. The fact that I repeated what you said?

You said this:



You also said this:



And i said this:

So if you said THE WORD was Jesus, and THE TRUTH was God's speech, and Jesus THE WORD said He's also THE TRUTH that you claimed was God's speech, shouldn't that tell you Jesus, the Word of God, was also God's speech?

So if there's any liar here between the both of us, it's the person who would say Jesus is THE WORD, but at the same time, say Jesus, THE WORD, is not THE TRUTH.

I don't even need to argue with you anymore because your own words has betrayed you and exposed your lies.

Jesusjnr dullard LYING
John 17:8 "For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them."

John 17:8,17 needs no explaining.

For your mind Jesus is "words you gave me and I accepted them"

thinkmoney:

Ehiiiii!!!!!!! Bye bye, bye bye abeg, CHIZOSSS. I never see. I pity your partner oh. Na your type dey make wrong decisions even in elections , implicate all of us. Ontop say I don proof to you with examples even grammatically that the understanding and wisdom are the same.
God help you. You can't be helped any other way. Ma see wetin go make me reply u again

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was referred to as WISDOM means by the time the CHRIST will arrive on this planet it will take divine WISDOM to recognize him! Matthew 16:13-17
Most religious teachers and scholars of the first century finds it really difficult to recognize the Messiah that all their patriarch ancestors have been longing to see! John 8:56
So Jesus surely arrived but only those who are like babies in knowledge could identify him {Matthew 11:25} the highly respected and intellectuals amongst the Jews failed to recognize their long awaited Messiah! John 1:11

Of course Jesus WAS God just as Moses also WAS God at a point in time but presently Jesus is no more serving as God, he has returned to his position before God who empowered Moses to serve as God also did the same to Jesus! Exodus 7:1

May you have PEACE!

thinkmoney:

May you have peace too.
Trust me, I have taken due time to really try and understand your piece. And I have checked up the verses u gave (this is the right attitude. But unfortunately many don't go that route).
I agree with you that the earthly wise and highly placed religious leaders didn't recognize Jesus when he came.
But he wasn't called wisdom for this. He was referred to as the wisdom of God, because aside him being the manifestation of God's wisdom in words and deeds, in him also was the fullness of God's wise plan to redeem the world. A plan that got angels and Devil dumbfunded. Devil especially was cut off guard in a lot of instances. One of those instance was when he thought he has successfully schemed to put an end to Jesus, only for Jesus to pay the ransom by his death and give hope to all mankind with his resurrection.
Another place were I disagree with you is where you insinuated Godship can be given and taken from someone. That's not scripturally correct. What is scriptural is that that word God, means somebody that is powerful, that has spiritual authority. (This is the root meaning). So Jesus, angels and Devil were referred to as gods because they are spiritually powerful/influencial. Some human beings like Moses and the Pharisees were referred to as gods because they exercise some spiritual influence-moses in Egypt over pharoah and the Pharisees at the synagogue over Israel.
However, Jehovah is said to be the almighty God because he is the supreme powerful spirit and he exercise absolute power and influence. This is the scripture my friend.
Your position somehow makes me sense you might be an olumba follower. I might be wrong though.

Janosky:



Jesusjnr dullard LYING
John 17:8 "For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them."

John 17:8,17 needs no explaining.

For your mind Jesus is "words you gave me and I accepted them"

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmm this is wonderful!
Well what gave me that impression is the Bible book of Isaiah 9:6 where it is written "he (Jesus) will be called mighty God" there i note that there were several titles given to the same person in that particular verse.
©A child is born, a son is given
©Rulership will be upon his shoulder
©Wonderful counselor
©Mighty God
©Everlasting Father
©Prince of Peace

Jesus was once a child born to a Jewish couple, he grew up to be a wonderful counselor and by his teachings a global family of peace loving worshipers has been gathered today. But he served in those offices at different times not the same, he will also rule for 1,000 years. That's why i come to the conclusion that his position kept changing because though he was once a baby but he only served that position for a limited time, he was a wonderful counselor in the midst of his Jewish contemporaries but he's no more physically around today, he will also rule the earth but for a limited time 1,000 years!
So being a God also must have been like that of Moses who served for a period of time {Exodus 7:1} but today Moses is no more serving as God, and Moses himself foretold of a prophet who will serve like him {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} that's why i come to the conclusion that Jesus who is the prophet like Moses also served as God for a period! Act 3:22

As for angels who turned themselves to gods for humans to worship them, God himself never allow for such {Exodus 20:3} Moses and Jesus both served as mighty Gods in the midst of God's enemies but none of them is to be worshiped. John 20:17
That's my submission, i stand to be corrected though if you have something much better!
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmm this is wonderful!
Well what gave me that impression is the Bible book of Isaiah 9:6 where it is written "he (Jesus) will be called mighty God" there i note that there were several titles given to the same person in that particular verse.
©A child is born, a son is given
©Rulership will be upon his shoulder
©Wonderful counselor
©Mighty God
©Everlasting Father
©Prince of Peace

Jesus was once a child born to a Jewish couple, he grew up to be a wonderful counselor and by his teachings a global family of peace loving worshipers has been gathered today. But he served in those offices at different times not the same, he will also rule for 1,000 years. That's why i come to the conclusion that his position kept changing because though he was once a baby but he only served that position for a limited time, he was a wonderful counselor in the midst of his Jewish contemporaries but he's no more physically around today, he will also rule the earth but for a limited time 1,000 years!
So being a God also must have been like that of Moses who served for a period of time {Exodus 7:1} but today Moses is no more serving as God, and Moses himself foretold of a prophet who will serve like him {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} that's why i come to the conclusion that Jesus who is the prophet like Moses also served as God for a period! Act 3:22

As for angels who turned themselves to gods for humans to worship them, God himself never allow for such {Exodus 20:3} Moses and Jesus both served as mighty Gods in the midst of God's enemies but none of them is to be worshiped. John 20:17
That's my submission, i stand to be corrected though if you have something much better!
I am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!