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Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by capitalzero: 7:50am On Jan 16, 2021
AfonjaMuslim:
In reality, Buratai doesn't answer to him. It's a ceremonial position
Only in lawless country
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Tranquill: 8:02am On Jan 16, 2021
Lordsagna:

but defence chief is a general and army chief is a lieutenant general.... meaning the general can command the lieutenant general and has influence to command troops over army chief because of his rank.

I said TROOPS. look at it this way, there are some generals in the defense headquarter who are higher in rank than the GOCs but what makes GOCs more powerful is that they have troops under their command. Defense chief has no troops under his command.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Tranquill: 8:04am On Jan 16, 2021
Lordsagna:

but defence chief is a general and army chief is a lieutenant general.... meaning the general can command the lieutenant general and has influence to command troops over army chief because of his rank.

I said TROOPS. look at it this way, there are some generals in the defense headquarter who are higher in rank than the GOCs but what makes GOCs more powerful is that they have troops under their command and most times have direct access to the commander in chief which these higher ranking officers don't have. Defense chief has no troops under his command.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by azidomedogo: 8:40am On Jan 16, 2021
Today in Nigeria the CDS and CNS are useless. Nobody hear of them in the news.
COAS and CAS are doing their best
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by JohnBullMySon: 9:26am On Jan 16, 2021
Tranquill:


I said TROOPS. look at it this way, there are some generals in the defense headquarter who are higher in rank than the GOCs but what makes GOCs more powerful is that they have troops under their command and most times have direct access to the commander in chief which these higher ranking officers don't have. Defense chief has no troops under his command.
stop all this lies na. why then is he a general, a civilian would have had the job if so. remember that buratai rank is lower than olusakin
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Xmen149(m): 10:05am On Jan 16, 2021
Tranquill:


I said TROOPS. look at it this way, there are some generals in the defense headquarter who are higher in rank than the GOCs but what makes GOCs more powerful is that they have troops under their command. Defense chief has no troops under his command.

funny enough he has...but not as large as the ones under the army,navy and airforce.

its usually a collection of troups from the 3 and usually seen as elite

the elite troups function under dhq only i guess....dig well

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Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by iokpebholo: 10:52am On Jan 16, 2021
BafanaBafana:
The chief of Defence staff out-ranks the chief of army staff.
Who is more powerful however depends on who's head is stronger.
During Jonathan, Alex Badeh, the chief of defence staff was more powerful.
Now it is Buratai who is more powerful.
It should be noted though that the chief of army staff commands ground troops while the CDS doesn't.
Bros u not exactly correct,Alex Badeh an airforce service chief can never be more powerful than d chief of army staff sir.In terms of military protocol, it's d army,navy and airforce.Thats y u will never see an air force or navy general as head of state during military time.Alex Badeh was just a ceremonial chief of defence staff with no power of deployment and redeployment sir
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 12:25pm On Jan 16, 2021
CHIEF OF DEFENCE IS NEXT IN COMMAND TO THE COMMANDER IN CHIEFS MR PRESIDENT FOR ALL EXTERNAL DEFENCE OF NIGERIA.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 12:29pm On Jan 16, 2021
CHIEF OF DEFENCE IS NEXT IN COMMAND TO THE COMMANDER IN CHIEFS MR PRESIDENT FOR ALL EXTERNAL DEFENCE OF NIGERIA.

CHIEFS OF ARMY, AIR FORCE AND NAVY REPORT THROUGH HIM TO THE C IN C.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 12:39pm On Jan 16, 2021
Oblongata:
Chief of defense staff oversees Chief of Army staff, Airforce, and Navy.

He is the boss of Chief of Army staff.




Agreed.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 12:42pm On Jan 16, 2021
stambakky:
The chief of defence staff is a 4 star general while other service chiefs are 3 star general..so therefore chief of defence staff is superior to other service chiefs


Agreed. No one played The Role better than Late ABACHA.

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Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 12:43pm On Jan 16, 2021
stambakky:
The chief of defence staff is a 4 star general while other service chiefs are 3 star general..so therefore chief of defence staff is superior to other service chiefs


Agreed. No one played The Role better than Late ABACHA. MACBAN FEARED ABACHA.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Bulldozer90: 12:48pm On Jan 16, 2021
Although chief of defence staff is higher in rank, the chief of army staff heads an actual institution.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Emyzoloye5(m): 12:49pm On Jan 16, 2021
BafanaBafana:
The chief of Defence staff out-ranks the chief of army staff.
Who is more powerful however depends on who's head is stronger.
During Jonathan, Alex Badeh, the chief of defence staff was more
powerful.
Now it is Buratai who is more powerful.
It should be noted though that the chief of army staff commands ground troops while the CDS doesn't.


exactly my thoughts....it all depends on the occupant of the seat

olonishakin seems to be a very quiet man ..... during badehs tenure as CDS he was so powerful cus he was previously the CAS unlike olonishakin who was appointed directly as CDS

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Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 12:54pm On Jan 16, 2021
CodeTemplar:
Defense covers army and other arms of defense like police and navy.


POLICE not included. POLICE IS INTERNAL SECURITY.. THE GOVERNORS ARE THE DIRECT BOSSES OF THE POLICE, MR. PRESIDENT BEING THE PRESIDING GOVERNOR. THIS IS WHY IT'S USURPATION OF THE 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATE GOVERNMENTS RIGHTS TO DEPRIVE THEM OF AUTONOMOUS POLICING RESOURCING AND ELECTIONEERING CONTROL FOR THEIR 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:00pm On Jan 16, 2021
yinkus6750:
OP, what is your own with superiority of top military Generals?
Trouble sleep, yanga go wake up.
Continue.


He has a Right to Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding. So please stop embarrassing NIGERIANS with your silly Fear of men in Uniforms.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by muykem: 1:07pm On Jan 16, 2021
Chief of defence staff is an administrative head of all military formations I.e army, navy and air force. It's the way commissioners of police is more pronounced than AIG.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:13pm On Jan 16, 2021
Nonexistent:
One is a snake charmer and the other is completely useless and unheard of. Do you need other differences?


MACBAN STARTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER CIVIL WAR. SINCE THEN, THE FULANIS HAVE BEEN PLANNING DOMINATION AND FEUDALISM. THEY SUPPORTED SHAGARI TO OUTPLAY GENERAL AKINRINADE. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHOOT BUT LIKE TO CONTROL THE SHOTS.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:16pm On Jan 16, 2021
Nonexistent:
One is a snake charmer and the other is completely useless and unheard of. Do you need other differences?


MACBAN STARTED IMMEDIATELY AFTER CIVIL WAR. SINCE THEN, THE FULANIS HAVE BEEN PLANNING DOMINATION AND FEUDALISM. THEY SUPPORTED SHAGARI TO OUTPLAY GENERAL AKINRINADE. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO SHOOT BUT LIKE TO CONTROL THE SHOTS AND THE SHOOTER.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:28pm On Jan 16, 2021
Nonexistent:
One is a snake charmer and the other is completely useless and unheard of. Do you need other differences?


Let us have a simpler example. SHAGARI asked for Revenue Allocation Formula. Prof Aboyade gave him one which he complained he could not understand. Until another gullible NIGERIAN wrote him a SIMPLE FORMULA.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:33pm On Jan 16, 2021
Lordsagna:

Bro, I haven't heard anything from the chief of defence in terms of security that's why I'm asking if the position is potent cos it's brutai here and there.



It's all RIFA-RUGA ISLAMISATION FULANISATION AND ANARCHY.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:37pm On Jan 16, 2021
Lordsagna:


Bro, I support the fact that the CDS is useless because if he has authority over brutai then the Nigeria army won't be a shadow of it's self.



He is not useless. His Boss can't RELATE USEFULLY.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by orisa37: 1:40pm On Jan 16, 2021
Nigeriabiafra80:
Similarities they are clueless


Agreed.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by SUPERPACK: 2:47pm On Jan 16, 2021
Tranquill:


I said TROOPS. look at it this way, there are some generals in the defense headquarter who are higher in rank than the GOCs but what makes GOCs more powerful is that they have troops under their command. Defense chief has no troops under his command.
Same way the COAS has no troop too. Both of them are holding an office/head of staff positions, which is an office position. When a coup occurs they are at the mercy of the young officers that have direct contact with the troops.

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Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jan 16, 2021
Oblongata:
Chief of defense staff oversees Chief of Army staff, Airforce, and Navy.

He is the boss of Chief of Army staff.

In Nigeria is just a ceremonial position. It carries no weight.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by jumper524(m): 3:54pm On Jan 16, 2021
Onojanson:
In Nigeria is just a ceremonial position. It carries no weight.
the military works very different from what the media presents.

even in military there's discrimination.
an NDA officer sees himself as superior to short service officer even though they are same rank.

same with an Officer who started from NMSzaria sees himself as the toughest of soldiers amongst both NDA officers and Short service officers.
olanisekin started his military carrer from NMS(secondary school) b4 moving to NDA.

olanisekin is a full general buratai is a lieutenant general. so even without appointment, olanisekin is still greater.
the chief of defense staff is a much bigger position to chief of other staff.

olanisekin is by far greater, stronger and more influential to buratai.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by jumper524(m): 4:00pm On Jan 16, 2021
AfonjaMuslim:
In reality, Buratai doesn't answer to him. It's a ceremonial position

probably the media presentation is your own version of "REALITY"
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by jumper524(m): 4:02pm On Jan 16, 2021
JohnBullMySon:
go and check the army chain of command, buratai reports to him and he to the presidency
I'm sure that lad don't know the difference between a General and a lieutenant General.
even without appointment, olanisekin would still give buratai orders.
people just present things the way they are it in the media.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by jumper524(m): 4:05pm On Jan 16, 2021
SoftP:
Chief of Defense staff - Ekiti state, South West
Chief of Army staff - Borno state , North east

Buhari - NORTH

Do ur cross game & see why Jacob became the favorite as against Esau who happens to be the first born

THIS IS NIGERIA

funny you..
you know very little about the military.
you just react base on what the media wants you to think.

what if I tell you the major General hoping to take after buratai is from katsina state, yet buhari loves a northeast man more against his brother??
think again.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by BafanaBafana: 4:23pm On Jan 16, 2021
iokpebholo:
Bros u not exactly correct,Alex Badeh an airforce service chief can never be more powerful than d chief of army staff sir.In terms of military protocol, it's d army,navy and airforce.Thats y u will never see an air force or navy general as head of state during military time.Alex Badeh was just a ceremonial chief of defence staff with no power of deployment and redeployment sir
But Badeh was calling shots at that time. It was his name everyone knew, a lot of people didn't know Minimah

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Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by BafanaBafana: 4:29pm On Jan 16, 2021
jumper524:

the military works very different from what the media presents.

even in military there's discrimination.
an NDA officer sees himself as superior to short service officer even though they are same rank.

same with an Officer who started from NMSzaria sees himself as the toughest of soldiers amongst both NDA officers and Short service officers.
olanisekin started his military carrer from NMS(secondary school) b4 moving to NDA.

olanisekin is a full general buratai is a lieutenant general. so even without appointment, olanisekin is still greater.
the chief of defense staff is a much bigger position to chief of other staff.

olanisekin is by far greater, stronger and more influential to buratai.
Olanishakin does not command any troop, he is purely an administrative officer. Every General in the army answers to Buratai. He can deploy and redeploy officers as he wishes.
Furthermore, the same president that appoints the Army chief also appoints the defence chief. They both answer to the president.
Re: Chief Of Army Staff Vs Chief Of Defence by Nobody: 5:08pm On Jan 16, 2021
jumper524:

the military works very different from what the media presents.

even in military there's discrimination.
an NDA officer sees himself as superior to short service officer even though they are same rank.

same with an Officer who started from NMSzaria sees himself as the toughest of soldiers amongst both NDA officers and Short service officers.
olanisekin started his military carrer from NMS(secondary school) b4 moving to NDA.

olanisekin is a full general buratai is a lieutenant general. so even without appointment, olanisekin is still greater.
the chief of defense staff is a much bigger position to chief of other staff.

olanisekin is by far greater, stronger and more influential to buratai.
Honestly you are right, that is how is suppose to be. But do you think that is how it is in Nigeria and other African countries? The most powerful is the president wants to be more powerful.

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