Angelfrost:

You are not wrong... But, you are not being realistic.
We are talking Naija sir, not America or some other nations with actual rehab centers littered everywhere.

Nuttella:
I am a good person and the color of my aura is very bright, your heart is dark and your deeds are dark.

joinpreneur post=98167635:
The bible emphasises on wine. It says it's good.

Medically, alcohol does more harm to the body than good. You know what that means? It's simply not advisable. So if Bible says wine is good for the health, then definitely it's not the alcoholic.

Ultimately, My Brother Reno missed the target.

blackmantis:
Drinking alcohol is not a sin..... excessive drinking and drunkenness is a sin.

There are some medicine that are made with alcohol.

But as a Christian it's not mandatory to drink infact if your drinking alcohol can stumble others then it's better you abstain why should you use your freedom as a Christian to stumble another. But anyone saying taking a small amount of alcohol occasionally is a sin is not saying the truth.

Kobojunkie:
Neither is Drunkenness a sin...Not according to Jesus Christ, the Law and the Law Giver Himself!

I don't know where you all get your claim that God declared drunkenness a sin because it is certainly not biblical or stipulated in any of God's Laws (I.e. neither in the Old or New Covenants).

Galatians 5:21: envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 5:11: Woe to those who rise early in the morning that they may pursue strong drink, Who stay up late in the evening that wine may inflame them!

Proverbs 20:1: Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, And whoever is intoxicated by it is not wise

Habakkuk 2:15: “Woe to you who make your neighbors drink, Who mix in your venom even to make them drunk So as to look on their unclothedness!

Titus 1:7: For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain,

Sanchez01:

Isaiah 33:22

I take it this is coming from a drunk? One obvious and loud teaching of the Scripture is moderation. If it is in excess, then it is bad, no matter how good it might come off as.


The Scripture has never hidden the fact that alcohol causes one to lose or lowers one's inhibitions as in the case of Lot (Gen 19:32) and several others. Drinking isn't the issue but getting drunk is. There is a reason some SPECIAL PEOPLE WERE MANDATED TO STAY AWAY FROM ALCOHOL. Nazarites were barred from drinking alcohol just as Levites. These set of people were special to God and they didn't choose to stay away from alcohol on their own. It was God's very own instruction to them. That should mean something to anyone who chooses to not just worship God from a distance. By default, most Churches today are referred to as 'Nazarite Churches' and its workforces as Levites. And guess what? Jesus Himself was a Nazarite, and so was Samson and John the Baptist and I choose to believe they weren't born as one by chance.

That said, the word "Nazarite" comes from the Hebrew word 'nazir' meaning "consecrated" or "separated" and its origin is found in Numbers 6:1–21. You can't say you are God's chosen people, a royal priesthood and all of those without being separated or consecrated. This was why the Apostles advocated staying away from it, which many sects latch on to today. The why is because it is almost difficult to apply moderation to alcohol and the best way of staying out of trouble with it is to 'FLEE' its appearance. And by extension, to today's Christians - Nazarite Churches with Levites priests and worshippers.

And no, JESUS WAS NOT THE LAWGIVER, GOD IS. Jesus never came to abolish the law as He was never the one who handed it in the Torah, even though He was much around. He said it Himself He had only come to fulfill it. So where you got your own Lawgiver-Jesus from is beyond me.

Anyways, This is the Nazarite vow where THE LAWGIVER HANDED THE NAZARITE LAW TO MOSES in Numbers 6:1–21: https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0406.htm#1

Happy reading.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are all tangled up in nuts and don't even realise it.

Since you are not yourself a Israelite, I don't know why you would concern yourself with the Old Covenant which is instead an agreement between God and the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Anyways, as a Christian, or one who professes to be one at least, the law that applies to you is Jesus Christ..the New Covenant/agreement between God and man. Yes, Jesus Christ is the Law and the Law giver Himself since even He said "I and my Father are one" or did He not ?

So as one who claims to believe in Jesus Christ, you are commanderd by Jesus Christ to Obey His Commandments and His commandments are about 46 in count. Now, none of those 46 commands you against drinking of alcohol or any such, in fact one particular one tells you that you are free to eat and drink what you want because it is not what you eat that makes you unclean...Jesus Christ explained to His disciples how what you put in your mouth, goes in and comes out the other end. That it is instead what you store up in your heart that makes you unclean.
Isnt it fascinating what you learn then you abandon the doctrines of rules of men -lies Jesus Christ calls them all.

You will find the details of the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, recorded in the 4Gospels. I hope you dump all those lies you have previously fed on so you can finally learn the Truth of God from Jesus Christ Himself... The embodiment of the New Covenant that God sent to the world to save those who will believe and obey.

Sanchez01:
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And I thought I was engaging someone who will respond with Scripture back ups? Humour me a minute? Is there a God Head? If yes, does the statement of Christ invalidate the authority or role of the God Head when he is only the Son? The Old Testament was not exclusively for the Children of Israel but I doubt I would want waste my time. JESUS SAID HE WAS SENT ONLY SENT TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL IN Matthew 15:24. Question is, if this is the case, why then do you worship Him when He isn't sent to you since you are not an Israelite?

Truth is, I meet the "New Covenant-only" people like you periodically and I see the same glaring pattern of selective amnesia and what-suits-me mindset.

ABIODUN105:
Isaiah 5;11 Woe to those who rise
early in the morning, that
they may run after strong
drink, who tarry late into
the evening as wine
inflames them!

Taiwojon:


no!!!!!

it will. remember suicide is sins and in smoking and drinking alcohol is Sins because in smoking a warning is given


smoker are liable to die young so also is alcohol it kill and shorten the life span of a person

so why kill yourself or take your life when you cannot give life

smoking and alcohol are factor that Led one to his early grave.
so life you can't give don't take it
avoid alcohol is kill. what the Bible is talking about in the verse quote was talking about all this harmless wine like 5 alive or juice.
so stop misquoting the Bible and flee alcohol

AZeD1:

Gluttony is a sin and it's from eating you become a glutton so why bother eating at all?

kushe:
The bible teaches against excess.
Excessive words,excessive idleness, excessive drinking and revelry in general.
The bible doesn't condemn the intake of alcohol as even Jesus was accused of being a drunkard.
We are saved by grace through faith and not this false religious piety that is totally unscriptural.
However because it demands a lot of self denial people actually feel righteous doing those things.

Kobojunkie:
I like the taste of cake too but you won't see me stuffing my face with zero-calorie option cause the real stuff makes e fat.
What next? Zero-calorie beef?

Kobojunkie:
Bullsheet!

Primase:

The 5% alcohol Heineken beer is still available in the market. This one is just an alternative.

Kobojunkie:
Where did Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law Himself, tell you that drunkeness is a sin?

nwekeugochukwu:
Reno Omokri has said that the act of consuming alcohol is not a sin, IgbereTV reports.

The former presidential aide said that people who preach against the drinking of alcohol are going against what the scriptures said in relation to the matter.

According to him, the act of drinking it is not a sin, rather, it is getting drunk as a result of the intake that’s a sin.

He wrote via his Twitter handle:


https://twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1350493665240748033?s=19

Kobojunkie:
Excessive drinking is not a sin. God warned you all against adding or removing from His commandments.

gobuchinny:

Drunkness being a sin is stated all over the NT. REMEBER Yeshua was Himself born under d law and until d death of the testator, a testament is not in force so after His death the apostles ushered d NT LAW for which drunkness is a sin stated clearly its excess like gluttony or greed which is excess of material things.

Drinking alcohol is no sin but drunkness is as Paul and other apostles stated severally in his letters

Kobojunkie:
Excessive drinking is not a sin. God warned you all against adding or removing from His commandments.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you may have been reading your Bible upside down and sideways backwards.

See, in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ Himself is the law and no where did the Law state that Drunkeness is a sin.
Under the Old Covenant laws, Drunkenness is also not listed as a sin. Of the 613 commandments that make up the Old Covenant, not one of them lists drunkenness as a sin. Gluttony is not even listed as a sin either.

Many of you have instead sought to confuse your traditions and personal bias for God's truth, something God warned you all against doing.

God and God alone is the LAW...Paul and the others like him out there are merely servants of God, like every other follower of God. Servants don't make laws...they instead follow the LAW set in place by the one who is the MASTER. So citing what Paul and other apostles say as counter to God's own declaration is tantamount to slapping God in the face with a lie...a sin.

gobuchinny:


. I guess you must be drunk typing this trash.
I wont even bother to enlighten you. You r lost.

So Yeshua is the law but you forgot even d old law wasn't in force without d shedding of blood. Or you think d animal blood was for fancy. Yeshua being d law it was necessary He died to enforce d law. Did you not read that the foundations of Heaven has d 12 apostles names and d gates are d names of d 12 tribes you think God doesn't know what His doing? Thats y all them died horrible deaths because gold is gotten under pressure hence the gospels and doctrine

Be dia in your ac room and claiming to know more than bible.

See i didnt wanna enlighten you for i know your brain cant comprehend spiritual things like this. I won't respond to you again

Continue to get drunk

Paramountgift:
I've been following your replies from a while now and I don't see you laying reference to any scriptures of the Bible to support your claims.
I'll advise that you desist from using head knowledge to judge spiritual matters.

Rom 8:6-7; For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Do you know the Holy spirit?

John 14:26; But the helper the Holy spirit, whom the Father will send in My Name will teach you all things and remind you of everything I have told you.

Have you been baptized in water and spirit?

Mark 1:8 ; I indeed baptize you with water but He will baptize you with the Holy spirit


Do you read the same Holy Bible kjv that we know?

2 Tim 2:15; Study to shew thyself approved into God, a watchman that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.

Some points you make are pure scientific and theoretical.
Spiritual things are different from carnal things!
Not even the simplest of verses in the Bible should be approached carnally!
For instance, even the seeming phrase..'Jesus wept' in...John 11:35, should be read with a broken heart and leading of the holy spirit so as to unravel the hidden mysteries behind the message.

In the Bible, apart from just riches and prosperity, we have the gospel of Repentance, Holiness and Righteousness. We also have verses that clearly revealed damnable sins awaiting mankind if they don't repent of them.
God's anger against the intake of alcohol you so defend is also revealed in several places of the Bible.

However, if your heart is set on not believing, you will never see the truth even if they are revealed to you point blank.

With that being said, I advise that you open up your heart for new realisations in line with the scriptures, study your Bible with a lowly and contrite heart, because, even the Jesus you claim to know is meek and lowly in heart.

Ezek 36:26; ..I will put a new Spirit within you, I will take away the stone heart from you and give you a heart of flesh..

Ask God to reveal his truths and hidden mysteries to you. This message is not only directed to this person, but all that come across it.

If you have your Bible with you, check the following verses:

Alcohol ××× - proverbs 23:20..woe to them
Isaiah 5:11..- Old testament
Eph 5:18..- New testament
Gal 5:21- New testament
1 Cor 6:20..- New testament
These and so many other scriptures condemn the intake of alcohol. The punishment for those that indulge in such are not pleasant at all.

Here are some other notables:

Adultery, fornication, wordiness, unforgiving spirit, anger, malice, strife, bitterness, fear, envy, list, pornography, lying tongue, deceit, fraud, extortion, covetousness, wordiness, pride, wickedness, ungodly dressing (body exposing wears), dyeing of hair, unnatural elements
...all mentioned in..Romans1:28-32, Galatians 5:19-21, Zephaniah 1:8...

Check for yourself and argue with your Maker if you like.
I pray for a change of heart.
God bless!

David50:
Flee all appearance of evil.

Even the government recognizes alcohol as an appearance of evil (that is why there is always that asterisk in its advertisement).. what more the bible.

Let's tell ourselves the truth

mediaX:
At the last supper, wine was used, the apostles drank. At the wedding feast at Canaan wine also was used, the guests drank. As a matter of fact, born from proven historical Jewish study, wine formed an integral part of merriment in ancient Jewish culture, a culture the messiah was king of. And those who argue that wine doesn't in all cases mean 'alcoholic wine' are ignorant. Cause wine in itself, and the reason it is called wine in the first instance is because of fermentation. If fermentation didn't take place it is not wine. And it is fallacy 'petitio principii' to say wine is destructive simply because it is alcoholic. Jesus and his Jewish heritage drank wine for cultural reasons, as it formed a huge part of their culture at the time.

Let me digress a bit, so many things can impair judgment, not only alcohol. Prolonged hunger and self denial of food by itself could impair consciouness and any sane human's judgement yet fasting is never termed sin in christian scripture. Gluttony also is sin when you look at it, as detailed by christian scripture, but not the food in itself, rather the inordinate attachment to food and the greed that fuels such attachment.
Man can get attached to anything, when the usage is abused. And any inordinate attachment is a violation of the freedom of the will, that is what makes it sin. You no longer hold direct control over your decisions. The same way most people are addicted to hustling for money that they neglect time for their children and family: that is sin.

Again, have you wondered why there are different doses for children, adults and pregnant women on medical prescriptions? That goes to tell you that equal measurements do not impact equally in people's bodies. There are no one-size-fit-all definition of tolerance, as tolerance levels differ from individual to individual. 5 pints might make Enoch drunk, but it would require 8 to make Chris and David drunk. So technically Enoch gets the refreshment and no loss of consciouness so long he doesn't go beyond his body limit. And if Enoch does that twice in a month that's beautiful. Self mastery is a skill to be learned, and can be learned, but the underlying virtue is self discipline.

The medication you get at hospitals, contain signicant bits of alcohol, and in some painkillers and relaxants you'll find 'clinical marijuana'. Tramadol is a pain killer, many pastors take them after their vigorous all night deliverance service, but in prescribed medical dosage I suppose. Codeine which is a potent syrup for cough can utterly cause one to discombobulate when overdosed on it. So you can see two sides of a coin.

The biblical scripture says ' if your hand (wine) shall cause you to sin, cut it off'. Now "if" is a conditional statement, meaning it may cause some to sin (drunkenness) and may not cause some to sin. I am not you, you are not me. The fact that apostle Paul cut off the soldiers ear doesn't mean every man would have done same. The fact that peter denied Jesus 3 times doesn't mean every man would have done same. The fact that David slept with another man's wife doesn't mean every man would have done same. The fact say smell of drink dey high you, nor mean say e dey high me, as a matter of fact I reflect better and have more constructive thoughts after a bottle or two. I am not you, you are not me. Your weaknesses are not my weaknesses. As a matter of reality, your weaknesses may be my strength.

For those living in Lagos, you insult people almost everyday in buses, traffic, when driving and when outsmarted. So technically, the intense Lagos life causes you to sin, so kindly leave Lagos please!

For those living in Nigeria, the fraud government causes you to call your leaders bastards. This is sin, and a continual sin because Nigeria's situation would continue to make you call them bastards, so kindly leave Nigeria please!

This thread is funny, just like saying don't burn bushes because fire kills people. Well I have been burning bushes for more than 40 years. No one has died. So would you say I committed murder?

Kobojunkie:
Stop letting then lie to you. God never said drunkeness is a sin - men like you made that up to deceive and control you.
Wake up and learn to read that book for your own self so you can decipherr their lies by your own self. God did not give you a brain for a pin cushion. He designed yours exactly the way He designed the brains of those you have allowed to deceive you with their lies.

ibinaboonline:
I wonder what you will write if I showed you scriptures that condemned drunkenness. I don't even know where you're getting your ideas from. If you're a drunk, remember that I didn't condemn you, so don't get pissed off. I only said I won't fault anyone who chooses abstinence. For your information, drunkenness is a sin, according to that book that I actually read for myself.

ibinaboonline:
Apostle Paul cut off a soldier's ear?