Is it not drinking alcohol that leads to getting drunk? If you want to avoid getting drunk you stop intake of alcohol.

Fadunsin:
"Drinking alcohol is not a sin. Drunkenness is a sin. It is unscriptural to preach against alcohol. Wine is drunk even in heaven (Matt 26:29). Wine is medicinal (1 Tim 5:23). In fact, Psalm 104:15 says God created wine to gladden the hearts of men.
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The way and manner some people interpret bible this is amazing, some do it to suit their condition while some do it mislead others. For example this Matthew 26:29 didn't mention wine but ...fruit of the vine... (KJV (i) although some of us may say that wine is from the fruit... i.e. fruit without alcohol. We have wine that contain alcohol in different percentage, so when you want to convince people please to make it clear not given people have baked bread to eat just to satisfy yourself. (ii) 1Tim 5:23 Yes you are right wine is medicinal but wine without alcohol. Moreover please Mr Omokri please always study your bible very well before you quote it out for people, please I beg you in the name of God, you must know the story behind the verses you want to quote and also ask Holy Spirit to guide you very well before you quote any verse, because you can use it to mislead some people and even people that are not christian or bible scholar, so I challenge you to go back and read your Concordance, Dakes, Strong and Bible Comentary if you have any of these, so as to know the story behind each verses of the bible. because wine should be used as a help, and not a hindrance to our work, life and usefulness. (iii) [i]Psalm 104:15" And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine and bread which strengthen man's heart" the bible says "WINE" not wine with 1% alcohol not to talk of alcohol, please stop using bible verse to mislead people and blindfolding them away from the truth... Doing this is leading people astray and God will not be happy with you. So stop it.

fadunsin
Please. Stop sitting on the fence, you admit that some wines may contain alcohol content But Betrayed yourself by outrightly telling us that the wine that paul recommends for Timothy to cure his stomach upset is still a fruit juice? We all know that a little alcoholic wines are used for stomach upset and.medicinal...its called roots.

Lets talk about the Bible Wine Now

In Genesis 9:20 and 21
(20 And Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard. 21 Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent lO.)
Noah Drank of the Bible Wine And was Intoxicated...Got...Drunk...and Naked himself ...You can Only get Drunk from Alcoholic content..Stop forcing your opinion on the scriptures. It's a sin when you add to the scriptures......

Although this is a Christian platform but that doesn't undermine the fact that unbelievers will cross this. Believer or unbeliever, this information is very important for your soul. No one is above God, and His commands are ultimate. Pls, read this till the end for your good and that of others. Thanks as you comply.

For you that does not believe in God, Jesus Christ or anything Christianity, always bear in mind that you did not create yourself, and that the body you live in will give away one day. When this happens, your soul will be required of you by your maker. What will you tell God about how you lived your life here on earth?

How would you feel if your creation goes against your will, do you ever stop to think about how God feels whenever you discard His commands and disregard His existence.

...For we are but sojourners here in earth..
The life we live on earth is only a fraction of eternity.

Romans 14:10; ..for we shall all stand before the Judgement Seat Of Christ..

The word escape means to break free from confinement or control. The context of this subject suggests a dangerous situation that needs to be fled from. It also an unpleasant and precarious situation that needs to be separated from.
The Bible is replete with clear warnings to mankind to flee from destruction. In the days preceding Noah, God saw that the afflictions of men were only evil continually and would have destroyed them without notification, bit the righteous and holy God would not do that rather. He decided to inform righteous Noah of his s intentions and used him to prepare the Ark to save his family and preserve all species of animals from the wrath of God and the destruction that was to be unleashed on that generation.
Gen 6:5-7
God eventually destroyed man and all living creatures that remained on earth. This is a salutary lessons to all the humans in this generation to repent of their evil deeds. The rain of Noah's dispensation that destroyed nearly every soul alive then, came suddenly on the people and they could not escape. The people were eating, drinking, marrying, making merriment and doing all sort of things as is being done today until the floods came and destroyed them.
Matt 24:38-39
God also revealed to Abraham of his intentions to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, to enable him intercede for the city. The result was the deliverance of Lot and his family from the great inferno.
Gen 19:17
If God did not spare the generation of No ah and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sins, please note that he will not spare this generation, including sinners, no matter the excuses.
2 pet 2:5-9
Nearly all the adult Israelites that left Egypt by the Lord's mighty hand could not enter the promise Land because of sin and rebellion against God.
Sin in man makes sacrifices abominable and unacceptable to God. Sin in man makes him a willing companion of unquenchable fire of hell. In all dispensations, those who sinned against God without genuine repentance recieved their doses of varying degree of punishment.
Heb 10: 28-29
Jesus died to save man from the unbearable and sore judgement and the accompanying interminable suffering that will be the lot of billions of people. Yet, man has shunned this great work of grace and has chosen to bear the consequences instead.
Dear friends, it must be clearly stated that more than 95% of adults what are dying today end up in hell fire because of one sin or the other.
Be rest assured that if you shun the instruction of the Lord which says, 'strive to enter in at the strait gate', you can never say no to the command of the devil in hell(with great torments and pain), whose interest you serve as an unrepentant sinner on earth.

We must therefore be courageous to cut off those things that lead us to condemnation in hell fire, no matter how dear they may appear to us materially, physically and spiritually. Let no one be deceived, unquenchable fire with worms that can never die, awaits all sinners.
If you do need to wish to face eternal suffering in hell fire, please ensure that you escape from the following; adultery, fornication, worldliness, unforgiving spirit, anger, malice, strife, bitterness, fear, envy, list, pornography, lying tongue, deceit, fraud, extortion, covetousness, pride, wickedness, ungodly dressing such as tight fitting and skimpy dresses, body exposing dresses, perming of the hair, dying of the hair, wearing of attachments and unnatural hair/extensions. In summary, anything that's not your hair, or changes the natural state of your hair.
For validation, check this scriptures: Rom 1:28-32, Gal 5:19-21, Zephaniah 1:8.
Along with this, you must desist from painting the body, nails, toes lips, tattoos, bleaching the skin, wearing extra lashes, etc. For validation, see:
Prov 7:10, Jeremiah 4:30.
No one knows his or her time, if you want to escape the damnation of your soul in hell fire, please ensure you put off all adornments ( earrings, necklaces, Leg/hand chains, Bangles, beads, etc) For validation, see:
Deut 7:25-26, Isaiah 3:18-23, Zeph 1:18, Zeph 1:8
You may want to argue about this, but this is not the time to win any argument. It is a time to wait on the Lord and hear him speak to you.
All those who wrestle scriptures to justify their lustful desires do so to their destruction. The exhaustive list applies to both men and women. Husband's tell your wives and wives do suit.
We must all note that we have a creator, 'God Almighty'. We are not our own, we all have destinies to fulfill on earth in line with God's will. It is not the will of God that any man should perish. If you have doubts, pray earnestly and seek the face of God to reveal to you, and He will.
There is a general new trend of wordiness in the church today. People can wear anything (including sensitive parts exposing clothes), drink anything (including strong drinks), dance to any tune of music, allow choreography, immoral dances and different forms of unholy amusement on the pulpit. Yet, the Ministers of the gospel do not see anything wrong in them.

People tatoo their bodies, get funny and demonic haircuts, women wear trousers and seductive tights and yet the churches as well as their Ministers are very comfortable with them. All that matters is the prosperity of the people and the increased number of excited unrepentant sinners for the gain of the ministers.
Please note that hell fire awaits you if you fall into the above indicated sins, whether as a member or as a minister that allows them in your church.
If you are in a ministry where salvation, sanctification and Holiness if individual members and the entire church is not emphasized, then you are an unprofitable servant already on a dark tunnel to hell fire. Matt 25:30
Fortunately, there is a way out. As long as you are alive, it is never too late to amend your ways.

Escape for your life by leaving that ungodly and antichrist church and look for a place where righteous living, inward and outward purity is emphasized continuously.
If you continue to attend that gathering where you do not need to repent despite your sins, you are willingly sinning against God, and the result is judgement without mercy (hell fire).
Heb 10:36-27

If you really want to escape hell fire, please do the following:
1. Acknowledge that you are a sinner and that you cannot save yourself by yourself (pslm 32:5;51:1-5, Rom 3:23)

2. Identify your sins and confess them to God in repentance asking him to forgive you (Rom 10:9, James 5:16, 1John 1:9)

3. Repent of all your sins asking God for the grace to be holy (Ezek 14:6, Acts 2:38;3:19, Acts 8:22;17:30)

4. Determine not to go back to your sins (Dan 1:8, Phil 3:7-8, Rom 6:1-6)

5. Look for a Bible believing and Holiness preaching Church where biblical truths are preached without compromise (Acts 20:20, 26-27, 31-32, Rev 3:7-10)

6. Seperate from the world and worldliness for your spiritual development (2 Cor 6:14-18: Rev 18:4-5)
Thank you!

Feel free to ruminate over the message consecutively..it will profit your soul. Also share to your friends, family and colleagues. Our lives here in earth are 70- 100 if your strength can take you. But life after death is forever..eternity...

where will you spend yours?
Heaven or hell? No riches here on earth or city can be compared to the beauty of heaven, and no suffering here on earth can be compared to the pain and anguish of hell.
Make your choice now...Jesus or Satan!
It's a two way thing, there's no neutral ground.

I hope and pray that you will make the right choice..
Some years back, I would have spat at anyone that brought this kind of message my way, until I got a personal convinction from Jesus Christ Himself.
I also urge you brethren to pray for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. There's nothing more valuable than a exclusive walk with God.
Thanks again.

Primase:


Alcohol (ethanol) is just a component of the wine. There are many products of wine/beer fermentation e.g polyphenols, alcohol, peptides etc. While alcohol on its own is a disinfectant ( fights bacteria and other disease-causing microorganisms), it is also antiseptic and an antidote as well as used for preservation of some drugs. polyphenols possess antioxidant property which is good for health while peptides may possess antidiabetic, antihypertensive and even anti cancer property.

So grape juice in its natural state prior to fermentation is not yet known to be medicinal because it contains mainly sugar and the products I listed can only be gotten from the juice via fermentation. The yeast possess intrinsic enzymes that bring about the conversion.

However, excess consumption of alcohol is dangerous to health. It can lead to liver cirrhosis and in some cases cancer.

In conclusion, since alcohol does more harm to the body than good, let's focus on the grape juice that is the medicine. Updated researchers of foods, drinks and nutrients have come up with natural without fermentation. We now have nonalcoholic wine. So that one you should go for.

And Reno omokiri is just saying his opinion. Not all opinions are correct. Some are rendered out of excitement, emotions. Hence, biased. The truth will never change.

And about strong drink..dear brethren..it is a sin to drink alcohol..
Apart from the adverse health effects, it weakens your spirit man. Although you will see scriptures that condemn it, you may still argue. But ultimately, pray to God for convinction. No alcoholic has ever made heaven, even if you take a sip, you are defiled already.

..And no unclean thing shall enter therein..
Isaiah 35:8
For validation, see the following scriptures:
Prov 20:1
Leveticus 10:9
Judges 13:4,7,14

jesusjnr2020:
If drinking wine/alcohol is not a sin but drunkenness (as a result of drinking wine/alcohol) is a sin as you say, why drink wine at all?

To tempt yourself to see if it would lead you to drunkenness which you call sin?

It might not be a sin but it's obvious that it makes people to be more vulnerable to sin, not just drunkenness but fornication and the likes.

So drinking wine/alcohol is not wise. If you could avoid it, please do, because you could become addicted to it, and when that happens it would be difficult to stop.

God bless.

It's ironic you speak about my logic sounding dumb yet you go on to compare drunkenness with gluttony.

Do you have any idea of how people many people got raped, murdered, sexually abused, molested etc., because of drunkenness?

Maybe you should tell me how many of such atrocities have been perpetrated because of gluttony?

That's why drinking alcohol is not wise even though not a sin, but that's not stopping you or anyone else from drinking if you still want to. It's just an advice. Advice no be curse.

God bless.

Your logic is if taking one moderately is not a sin and taking it excessively is a sin why take it at all. I just produced the exact replica for you to check how logical your post sounded.

nwekeugochukwu:
Reno Omokri has said that the act of consuming alcohol is not a sin, IgbereTV reports.

The former presidential aide said that people who preach against the drinking of alcohol are going against what the scriptures said in relation to the matter.

According to him, the act of drinking it is not a sin, rather, it is getting drunk as a result of the intake that’s a sin.

He wrote via his Twitter handle:


https://twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1350493665240748033?s=19

That part where he said "God created alcohol to gladen the hearts of men" really got me laughing hard. I like this man o.

jesusjnr2020:
It's obviously sounds dumb to you because you drink alcohol right? That's why you deliberately omitted the part I spoke of the atrocities drunkenness has led people to commit, but not gluttony?

May you never find yourself in such a situation where you'd blame the alcohol you took, so that you'd not sound dumber that I ever did when I said it's not wise to take alcohol.

God bless.

Why don't u blame food when u eat too much.

The food is not the problem. You are the problem.

What you are saying is akin to blaming the presence of women for fornicating.

countless beats their wives without being drunk

Hongkog:
The only thing wrong about alcohol is when you take it in excess. It makes you do things that you wouldn't do ordinarily.

Imagine beating your wife and children because you are drunk, or raping some random lady you see.

jesusjnr2020:
Enjoy yourself drinking alcohol if you want to continue with it. It's only an advice not by force, so please move on with your life how you want to live it.

Thanks.

The fact that you don't like egusi soup does not make those who enjoy it sinners.
Sin is what God said that it is and not what you or your pastor think.

Wierdceo:


That part where he said "God created alcohol to gladen the hearts of men" really got me laughing hard. I like this man o.

Where the scripture said not where he said. He quoted the scripture but you will never admit it because you are more righteous than God.

Polchiz:

Where the scripture said not where he said. He quoted the scripture but you will never admit it because you are more righteous than God.

Relax. Weda he said it or the scripture said it, it was very funny. Am actually in support so dont think am against it.

Igwe29:
Is it not drinking alcohol that leads to getting drunk? If you want to avoid getting drunk you stop intake of alcohol.

Eating of food leads to gluttony, do not eat food again.

Paramountgift:
And about strong drink..dear brethren..it is a sin to drink alcohol..
Apart from the adverse health effects, it weakens your spirit man. Although you will see scriptures that condemn it, you may still argue. But ultimately, pray to God for convinction. No alcoholic has ever made heaven, even if you take a sip, you are defiled already.

..And no unclean thing shall enter therein..
Isaiah 35:8
For validation, see the following scriptures:
Prov 20:1
Leveticus 10:9
Judges 13:4,7,14

Proverbs 20:1 – “Wine [/b]is a mocker, [b]strong drink is a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.”

Can you see why unbelievers call Christians fools. Countlessly, you claimed that wine does not contain alcohol and yet you quote scripture where wine is described as a mocker (drink with high intoxicating power). Why is wine a mocker if it does not contain alcohol?
Also, because we are incapable of understanding the bible ourselves but rely on what our pastor said, you did not pay attention to the phrase "led astray". which means allowing wine to influence you into committing sin. How does wine lead people astray? The answer is simple, getting drunk with wine.

This your logic is pure trash! eg; Driving isn't bad, but driving to cause an accident or to kill someone could get you in jail; so are you saying we shouldn't drive at all? or you'll rather we drive carefully and don't over speed to cause an accident? if you don't understand the word MODERATION then you might want to look it up and get a clear understanding of it.

jesusjnr2020:
If drinking wine/alcohol is not a sin but drunkenness (as a result of drinking wine/alcohol) is a sin as you say, why drink wine at all?

To tempt yourself to see if it would lead you to drunkenness which you call sin?

It might not be a sin but it's obvious that it makes people to be more vulnerable to sin, not just drunkenness but fornication and the likes.

So drinking wine/alcohol is not wise. If you could avoid it, please do, because you could become addicted to it, and when that happens it would be difficult to stop.

God bless.

It's ironic you speak about my logic sounding dumb yet you go on to compare drunkenness with gluttony.

Do you have any idea of how people many people got raped, murdered, sexually abused, molested etc., because of drunkenness?

Maybe you should tell me how many of such atrocities have been perpetrated because of gluttony?

That's why drinking alcohol is not wise even though not a sin, but that's not stopping you or anyone else from drinking if you still want to. It's just an advice. Advice no be curse.

God bless.

joinpreneur:


In conclusion, since alcohol does more harm to the body than good, let's focus on the grape juice that is the medicine. Updated researchers of foods, drinks and nutrients have come up with natural without fermentation. We now have nonalcoholic wine. So that one you should go for.

And Reno omokiri is just saying his opinion. Not all opinions are correct. Some are rendered out of excitement, emotions. Hence, biased. The truth will never change.

Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, [b]strong drink is a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Can you see why unbelievers call Christians fools. Countlessly, you claimed that wine does not contain alcohol and yet the scripture described wine as a mocker (drink with high intoxicating power). Why is wine a mocker if it does not contain alcohol?
Also, because we are incapable of understanding the bible ourselves but rely on what our pastor said, you did not pay attention to the phrase "led astray". which means allowing wine to influence you into committing sin. How does wine lead people astray? The answer is simple, getting drunk with wine

I love this quotation and the way you applied it qua!

If eating will make you a glutton then stop eating!
If looking lustfully will make you sin pluck out your eyes!
If urges will make you fornicate castrate yourself!
If riches will make you loose God's kingdom then throw away all your assets! Luke 18:18-23

Righteousness2:
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quench

Have to tried just a glass of trophy + fanta? .



Pls caution. Just a glass o. Or at most a bottle.

HolinessForever:


Wisdom is too High for a Fool

And your name is holiness?

Someone asked a simple question and you responded by calling the person a fool.

God's word is complete jare!

Tell them to go and delete, erase, edit or cancel Deuteronomy 14:26. There God specifically said "eat whatever you like and drink whatever you like including alcoholic beverages inside his courtyard"

So they have nothing to say they're just following man-made tradition not God's word!

Primase:


Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, [b]strong drink is a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Can you see why unbelievers call Christians fools. Countlessly, you claimed that wine does not contain alcohol and yet the scripture described wine as a mocker (drink with high intoxicating power). Why is wine a mocker if it does not contain alcohol?
Also, because we are incapable of understanding the bible ourselves but rely on what our pastor said, you did not pay attention to the phrase "led astray". which means allowing wine to influence you into committing sin. How does wine lead people astray? The answer is simple, getting drunk with wine

Nuttella:
I still will not drink alcohol.

When the bible says "lead us not into temptation" (Matthew 6:13) it knew that from drinking alcohol, we gradually become drunk and drunkenness is a sin according to my bible(Ephesians 5:18, Galatians 5:21).

God is not an author of confusion. People are just interpreting bible they want it suits them.

Imagine what you just wrote.

Wasn't the same God who wrote Psalm 104:14-15?

Wasn't the same God who wrote 1 Tim 5:23?

Why despise and condemn these Bible portions? Do you know there's a punishment for that?

The bible says that all scriptures were written by the inspiration of God

nwekeugochukwu:
Reno Omokri has said that the act of consuming alcohol is not a sin, IgbereTV reports.

The former presidential aide said that people who preach against the drinking of alcohol are going against what the scriptures said in relation to the matter.

According to him, the act of drinking it is not a sin, rather, it is getting drunk as a result of the intake that’s a sin.

He wrote via his Twitter handle:


https://twitter.com/renoomokri/status/1350493665240748033?s=19

You are confused and you are looking for support to your confused state: who told you that wine means alcohol? Na so you no book dull reach ? Grape wine is alcohol ? Fruit wine is alcohol? Hmmm be careful for bible said more punishment shall be added unto those of you who add or minus the word of God.

Primase:


Eating of food leads to gluttony, do not eat food again.

I rather be a glutton than a drunkard.

when i read some replies in this thread i wonder what NL has totally become to.
now a kids playground. no sensible thinking at all.

my little inputs. whatever you over do is not good. everything in life do not over do it. even water if you drink too much it becomes a problem.
if you sleep too much it becomes a problem. if you stay awake too much is another problem. so anything at all do a little to the left and a little to the right. thats all.

jesusjnr2020:
Personally I don't see it as a sin but this is just an advice because many are trapped in it, and it has led many astray. So this is not extreme for me if it was for you, but just doing the needful. Even God warned His priests not to take alcohol because of the position they occupied, so He wouldn't have done that if there was no need to do so.

God bless.

God bless you sir....... I always enjoy your posts though. Stay blessed!!!

HedwigesMaduro:


If eating food is not a sin but gluttony is a sin why eat at all? In case you don't know how dumb that logic sounds.

glutonny can't lead u to commit sin but alcohol can lead u to commit sin. Glutonny can be dangerous to ur own health only but excess alcohol can be dangerous to yourself and others around u.

Fadunsin:
"Drinking alcohol is not a sin. Drunkenness is a sin. It is unscriptural to preach against alcohol. Wine is drunk even in heaven (Matt 26:29). Wine is medicinal (1 Tim 5:23). In fact, Psalm 104:15 says God created wine to gladden the hearts of men.
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The way and manner some people interpret bible this is amazing, some do it to suit their condition while some do it mislead others. For example this Matthew 26:29 didn't mention wine but ...fruit of the vine... (KJV (i) although some of us may say that wine is from the fruit... i.e. fruit without alcohol. We have wine that contain alcohol in different percentage, so when you want to convince people please to make it clear not given people have baked bread to eat just to satisfy yourself. (ii) 1Tim 5:23 Yes you are right wine is medicinal but wine without alcohol. Moreover please Mr Omokri please always study your bible very well before you quote it out for people, please I beg you in the name of God, you must know the story behind the verses you want to quote and also ask Holy Spirit to guide you very well before you quote any verse, because you can use it to mislead some people and even people that are not christian or bible scholar, so I challenge you to go back and read your Concordance, Dakes, Strong and Bible Comentary if you have any of these, so as to know the story behind each verses of the bible. because wine should be used as a help, and not a hindrance to our work, life and usefulness. (iii) [i]Psalm 104:15" And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine and bread which strengthen man's heart" the bible says "WINE" not wine with 1% alcohol not to talk of alcohol, please stop using bible verse to mislead people and blindfolding them away from the truth... Doing this is leading people astray and God will not be happy with you. So stop it.

Orange juice or grape juice was a fairly recent invention.
In the days of old fermentation was a normal thing except during winter when they used the cold to slow it down.

jesusjnr2020:
Don't stress yourself much about the guy. He is obviously not saved but just someone who knows the letters and tries to use it to justify his works of iniquity as the Pharisees were very well known for.

Thanks.

Salvation is not for man to determine but for God who sent Christ to die for our sins.
You are doing exactly what the Pharisees were all about,an external show of holiness.
The world had condemned the criminal on the cross but he strolled into eternity

Igwe29:



I rather be a glutton than a drunkard.

Both are sinners. No difference.

salam8528:
glutonny can't lead u to commit sin but alcohol can lead u to commit sin. Glutonny can be dangerous to ur own health only but excess alcohol can be dangerous to yourself and others around u.

Gluttony leads to greed because what you have will never be enough. That quest for more leads to stealing (sin). You think Christ was referring to your health when he stated that gluttony is a sin?

Can you see your politicians with their pot bellies? It is never enough., more chicken, turkey, chinese rice, wine etc. Why wouldn't they steal?

HedwigesMaduro:


Your logic is if taking one moderately is not a sin and taking it excessively is a sin why take it at all. I just produced the exact replica for you to check how logical your post sounded.

Thank for justifying my post by your own highly flawed comparison since eating was a necessity and drinking wasn't, apart from the effect they've shown overtime to have on those who experience them which are not comparable by any stretch.

By the way, I don't even consider either to a sin, but just wanted to preach the Gospel Truth about why drinking alcohol was not wise because of the tendency it has to lead people to sin. And I've done just that so it's left to anyone to take it or leave it.

God bless.