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Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Ajamini(m): 9:41pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
englishmart:Shut up |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by billyG(m): 10:06pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
They use u as Guinea pig & still charge U very high. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Nobody: 10:06pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
GAZZUZZ:In that case The patients should be treated free. Since they are using them to teach |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by dokyOloye: 10:16pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
HitlerGaddafi:And you think the nurse is happy to shave your friend's bed bug infested balls? |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by WriterX(m): 10:16pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Reminds me of one incident some years ago lol till date i avoid the hospital like hell when i realized one of the girls among the group of students was someone that knew someone that i know , chai meh it was not funny , its really embarrassing , they start poking you and making everything awkward lolz |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Ajibade123(m): 10:18pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Riele:underage student studying medicine teaching hospital main purpose is to teach the future doctors |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Riele: They do. Go to a teaching hospital first and seek for treatment. You will find out |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by magicminister: 10:32pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
GAZZUZZ: It’s a public hospital paid for with TaxPayer money. Patients have the right to consent to participate in their research or refuse because of privacy reasons!!! Let’s be reasonable! |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by magicminister: 10:34pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Soknown: May your days be long and prosperous. Nigerians absolutely deserve what they get. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by BRATISLAVA: 10:37pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
ElijahIme1992: The manner they go about doing it is shameful. Plus there needs to be consent. Just because they are the only ones who treat certain conditions doesn't mean the patient must become a circus in which all students enter and move on. I heard that some just open to show them and these young students may laugh or express emotions that make the patients uncomfortable |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by ibinaboonline: 10:37pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
All of una dey side for dem hospital. Okay. If na for teaching purposes dem open the hospital dem, then patient no suppose pay as na em nyash dem students dey finger like that. Why na say patient no suppose refuse make dem hol im breast like loaf of bread for every tom, dick, and harry to gawk and press, but dem go still collect money from you. E no balance o. 1 Like |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by BRATISLAVA: 10:44pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Soknown: I once brought up this exact topic and people came up to insult me because they don't care for their human rights. They just don't care. Neither do they want to know they exist. Suffering and smiling people. In that case it was a woman who had an emergency, but the doctor rejected her from the whole hospital, because the last time she was there she said she didn't want him to check her body(which is her right). The doctor had taken offense. What high-handedness. And to think doctors and patients alike were in support of throwing her out of the hospital. It shows that Nigerians know no right or wrong, they just live by degrading rules they invented for themselves. You have a right to go to a teaching hospital and not be opened up for all and sundry to see. They should take your consent first. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Dagger111(m): 10:53pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Riele: Then you are nt ready, i won't even attend to your type. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by eyinjuege: 10:54pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
HitlerGaddafi: How many of you males are nurses in the hospital? There are like 10:1 ratio of female vs male nurses, or even higher sef. They can't manufacture a male nurse from thin air. I'm very sure shaving the pubic hair of strange grown men is not any nurse's delight whether male or female and if they could avoid such, they would. If I were a male nurse, I would dodge that responsibility if possible, and push to someone else . They hardly have much of a choice in the matter and the patient's safety is key, first and foremost hence why they throw away all reservations and just get on with their jobs. Nurses are also human o, they also get embarrassed and tired of touching different balls day after day, parte after parte but just get on with it |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by mynd4409: 11:03pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
COdeGenesis:God punish your father by the way |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Kizxee(m): 11:09pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
I understand that most people are confused as to if they should be privacy or consent required before student doctors and nurses are allowed in. Let me bring out some pointers 1. Once you are admitted to teaching hospital, you are defautly to be attended to by the consultant and his team including student doctors 2. Funnily, you have the right to ask for privacy in a teaching hospital if you don't want. But the doctor might not ask you since it is a default thing 3. Consent must be asked if any examination or procedure is to be done irrespective of who... It can be denied even in a teaching hospital 4. No body has the right to take away your rights even if he is a professor Having said all that, I rest my case... |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by stasius: 11:16pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Riele: Pray not to get to a Teaching hospital. Some consultants will blatantly tell you to get out if you don't want them to teach their students... Hahahaha You never see anything. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by eyinjuege: 11:17pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
BRATISLAVA: If it were a true emergency, the Dr should have attended to the pt and could be liable [/b]especially if their facilities offer emergency services. [b] Patients also have a responsibility towards their own health and towards their health care providers. It's a 2 way street. Unfortunately, if trust is broken between pt and Dr and the relationship gone, its better someone else sees the pt If there is no other Dr in the hospital (especially if private, with few or no Drs), then it is only right to send the patient somewhere else. It may not mean the Dr took offence because he wasn't allowed to examine her previously. In certain cases (except in emergencies where they have A/E services) Drs can actually refuse treatment/ touch a patient (govt hospitals may be different though, but usually they would have other Drs there) You don't have a responsibility to see all patients that present before you. Your responsibility towards a patient only starts when you accept to treat such a patient, and you can be liable for a lot afterwards. So refer to another Dr in such a case. At the bolded, I sincerely believe private hospitals shouldn't offer emergency services except those like Eko hospital who have facilities just like teaching hospitals. Most of them aren't built to attend to emergencies. We need proper A/E services attached to proper hospitals in different parts of a town to cater to emergencies. Private cant really do the job but unfortunately Nigeria isn't ready to invest in her healthcare. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by stasius: 11:25pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Idiot doesn't even know the meaning of the TEACHING in teaching hospital. Mad Man! |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by winner37(m): 11:32pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Mr writer if everyone will be running away from the hospital of how nurses and students play with your joystick I think 85 of percent of people will die of their illness.... Recently ,I went of hospital because of how the weather is not too nice with me , instead the nurse to give me injection she started playing with my Yash (bombom) I received it because I wanted to be get treated... doctor should seek the consent of the patients before leading any term for exploring |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Nobody: 11:40pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
Those of you saying privacy are still healthy that's why, the hospital is for teaching,why patronizing them when u value your privacy. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Nobody: 11:42pm On Jan 27, 2021 |
winner37:you no respond by playing her own thing? 1 Like |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Onyxunlimited(f): 12:30am On Jan 28, 2021 |
TCD:Can the doctors really refuse a case on the grounds that the patient wants privacy? |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by Onyxunlimited(f): 12:34am On Jan 28, 2021 |
Cowmilk:Will the doctor get mad and refuse to treat you afterwards or you will have to ask to be referred to another doctor? 1 Like |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by SIRTee15: 12:39am On Jan 28, 2021 |
Kizxee: The issue is not procedural consent, but should medical student and student doctors be part of the team attending to patients without the patient's consent. Remember, it's a team with the consultant as the head. This will always be a contentious issue irrespective of the final decision. I agree privacy and respect for patients should be upheld and enforced. But the issue of consent for training from patients should be cautiously looked into. Nigeria is a largely conservatively society and remember 50 percent of the population are Muslims. Training of students in teaching hospitals could be disrupted n compromised if patients decides if they want to be seen by students doctor or nurses. Some patients may even start demanding for same sex doctors. Already, pathology trainees in the north are not well grounded in autopsy due to the religious n cultural reasons up north. They have to travel down south to learn autopsy. So what happens if southerners also start objecting to autopsy of their relatives? Most white people don't care about being used for training purposes so long as they are informed n their dignity is respected. This will not be the case in Nigeria. I support consent by default. As I said earlier, a lot can be done to make the patient feel at ease, respect for dignity and privacy. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by oracle009(m): 12:43am On Jan 28, 2021 |
Soknown: Thank you o. Really?! I can't believe ALL I'm reading here. The situation in this country has mis-configured many people's brain. CONSENT IS EVERYTHING! Going to a Teaching hospital doesn't mean you are a guinea pig. It is the right of a patient to be informed that students will be brought over to examine you. Now, you can't even compel the patient to accept. It is against his/her fundamental rights. Infact, before ANY Doctor examines you, he should seek your consent to touch you. Why are we so lackadaisical about these things? Here in the US, I am required to inform my students that I am going to be recording the Teaching sessions. If any of them objects, I dare not record. That is even a recording that is for their own benefit o. Now, I am not in anyway demeaning Drs... And asking for consent doesn't in any way diminish learning. It only mean that we recognise and respect our rights as human. I'm dissapointed in most comments I've read so far. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by BRATISLAVA: 12:45am On Jan 28, 2021 |
ElijahIme1992: They will eventually get experience the way others who aren't in teaching hospitals do. There is a proper way they should go about it. Just because people are there to see specialists doesn't mean they should lose their right to privacy. Not by just exposing them without their permission. |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by BRATISLAVA: 12:50am On Jan 28, 2021 |
oracle009: I thought Nigerians don't have rights only when it comes to sexual consent, but if you check closely they don't think they deserve rights in matters of domestic violence, they don't think they have a right to not pay bribes, they don't even know they have a right to refuse a doctor treating them in a way they aren't comfortable with. The problem is that they don't understand personal bubbles and hate to think anyone doesn't want their touch, even in a professional setting. Consent is offensive to them. There should be consent in teaching hospitals across Nigeria. Stories I've heard will ensure I never go there myself. From doctors doing gynaecological checks leaving the doors open, to a crew of young disrespectful student doctors looking in and making unsavory comments, to having no rights at all in the, to doctors taking files to do their research WITHOUT PATIENTS CONSENT. And in most instances, the patient ought to be compensated! 1 Like |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by jarkbauer: 12:53am On Jan 28, 2021 |
ADAMUdaCOWBOY: you people arrogate some imaginary things to this developed countries. teaching hospital is for teaching purposes. you lose your right to privacy the moment you seek healthcare there. When you are registering in a tertiary hospital, you agree to used for teaching for teaching purposes. Just imagine every patients rejects. Who is going to be used to teach new doctors?' |
Re: Exposing Of Patients To Student Doctors In Teaching Hospitals Without Consent by BRATISLAVA: 12:57am On Jan 28, 2021 |
eyinjuege: Ideally it's a 2 way street, but in Nigeria, it is doctors that have the exclusive rights to refuse patients, because they feel they are doing patients a favor and it's the patients who need them. It seems you've never met egotistic doctors both private and public. They are always rejecting patients, but hardly ever the other way. Of course it is slightly different in private hospitals. But because private hospitals are rarely broad specialists, they still refer you to these teaching hospitals where patients have no rights, or rather, are uninformed about their rights. Going through the comments here, you can see a lot of people don't know or believe they have a right to consent students gawking at their bodies. I don't see why a doctor will take it personally if a patient doesn't want to see them. Isn't it part of their rights? Why use that decision they are entitled to, to victimize a patient? Most Nigerians aren't true professionals. They just have the titles. |
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