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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 7:22pm On Feb 08, 2021
Kobojunkie:
You can write a small test program to find out, maybe starting with a finite set.
The answer is obvious now. How high can I jump to attempt touching the moon?
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 7:24pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:

The answer is yes. It was observed to be so and was described in Genesis 1 and in most creation myths, and it is observant in actuality as evolution.
And that is because there is an INTELLIGENCE behind it to make it happen.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by budaatum: 7:27pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

Evolution is a late description where life has already been formed only that it increased in complexity through survival of the fittest.

The situation of evolution is like having instead of basic characters, you are given whole words and phrases to juggle about.

Evolution is nothing like you seem to understand it to be.

Consider the following.

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by budaatum: 7:28pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

And that is because there is an INTELLIGENCE behind it to make it happen.
What is this "INTELLIGENCE" you refer to?

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 7:54pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:

What is this "INTELLIGENCE" you refer to?
You quoted Genesis!

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth!
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 7:56pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


I promise you I don't understand your comment.

Well maybe because you don't really know what evolution is.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 7:57pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:

I think they think evolution is some random arrangement, lol.

LoL, indeed my dear buda. And welcome back, how was Nirvana? wink

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 7:58pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

I think your fallacy is very clear to you now!

What fallacy? Your strawman?
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 7:59pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

Of course, his my brother: I didn't want to waste his time.

Actually you did but carry on.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:00pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:


You would have noted all the above by the first responses your thread received.





And to be honest, I still do not get your point.

I think he just harvested some straw and was eager to make something of it.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by Ihedinobi3: 8:03pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

Their folly is actually apparent to them. But when a person's Intellect has been chained by satan: even with eyes, they wouldn't see!

Indeed. That is actually why I lost interest in these debates.

4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV)
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:06pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:


Evolution is nothing like you seem to understand it to be.

Consider the following.
My problem with this evolution of the solar system (even though I was describing evolution of living things) is that somehow, ENTROPY just seem to be reducing immediately after the big bang/inflation of the universe. This break every known physical law for entropy is ALWAYS increasing. Entropy can only decrease if an EXTERNAL constraining force compels entropy of the system to reduce.

In the beginning, there exist no single atom. After the big bang/inflation, neutrons, protons and electrons just found a way to order themselves as single units.

Its just like sand, gravel, lime, water are scattered over the earth with a high entropy. Some people (Dangote and the Bricklayer) brought these things together to make cement to build a house of lower entropy. Sand, gravel, lime and water ordinarily cannot build a house EXCEPT there exist an EXTERNAL force to the system.

Comprehende?
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by Ihedinobi3: 8:07pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:



And to be honest, I still do not get your point.

My point is that as long as there is a mechanism by which outcomes result, the notion that there is no intelligent, personal creator is demonstrably false.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:07pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


Indeed. That is actually why I lost interest in these debates.

4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV)
Perfectly said!
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by Ihedinobi3: 8:08pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


Well maybe because you don't really know what evolution is.

You could be right. But you could also be wrong. And if you're right, I don't know it any better from your response.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:08pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


Actually you did but carry on.
Too bad!
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:08pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


What fallacy? Your strawman?
Don't worry, Buda has come to bail you out!
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:11pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


You could be right. But you could also be wrong. And if you're right, I don't know it any better from your response.

There are treatments of the facts of evolution for all levels of understanding even kindergarten so if you really want to have a proper understanding seek those out. Commenting on strawman arguments won't get you closer to understanding.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by Ihedinobi3: 8:16pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


There are treatments of the facts of evolution for all levels of understanding even kindergarten so if you really want to have a proper understanding seek those out. Commenting on strawman arguments won't get you closer to understanding.

I think you mistake me. I think that I'm reasonably educated in the subject. Therefore, the ignorance that you ascribe to me is undefined to me. That is, I don't know what you think that I don't know. So, I can't really agree or disagree with you.

Still, never mind. I really don't care all that much for these discussions anymore.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:17pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

Don't worry, Buda has come to bail you out!

LoL

budaatum:


And to be honest, I still do not get your point.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:19pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


I think you mistake me. I think that I'm reasonably educated in the subject. Therefore, the ignorance that you ascribe to me is undefined to me. That is, I don't know what you think that I don't know. So, I can't really agree or disagree with you.

Still, never mind. I really don't care all that much for these discussions anymore.

Ah ok so you understand it enough to strawman it, got it.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:23pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

Evolution is a late description where life has already been formed only that it increased in complexity through survival of the fittest.



"Survival of the fittest" is only 1 mechanism of evolution and not the whole story. Just thought you should be aware.

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by Ihedinobi3: 8:24pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


Ah ok so you understand it enough to strawman it, got it.

If you accuse me of committing a fallacy, you are also responsible to demonstrate how I did. But feel free not to do so. I really couldn't care less.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:27pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


My point is that as long as there is a mechanism by which outcomes result, the notion that there is no intelligent, personal creator is demonstrably false.

Why? Who says mechanisms always have intelligence behind them?

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by budaatum: 8:28pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

You quoted Genesis!

In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth!
Yes I quoted Genesis, or rather, what some smart individual(s) wrote in the Book of Genesis. It describes a chaos out of which order arose, and is a indication of evolution.

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:30pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


If you accuse me of committing a fallacy, you are also responsible to demonstrate how I did. But feel free not to do so. I really couldn't care less.

I won't since you claimed you know enough about evolution so I am sure you know how you strawmaned it.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:37pm On Feb 08, 2021
budaatum:

Yes I quoted Genesis, or rather, what some smart individual(s) wrote in the Book of Genesis. It describes a chaos out of which order arose, and is a indication of evolution.
The subject was GOD!
Who CREATED/MADE/FORMED the Universe.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by budaatum: 8:38pm On Feb 08, 2021
shadeyinka:

My problem with this evolution of the solar system (even though I was describing evolution of living things) is that somehow, ENTROPY just seem to be reducing immediately after the big bang/inflation of the universe.
I have the feeling that you think randomly peppering with big words gives meaning to what you write even though it does not. Take Entropy. You claim it seems to be reducing but I bet you can not provide evidence for its reduction.

I am afraid non-comprehende. But I expect you'd blame me instead of the meaninglessness of your random use of words.

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Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by Ihedinobi3: 8:39pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


Why? Who says mechanisms always have intelligence behind them?

Same person that said that insanity is a real thing.

LordReed:


I won't since you claimed you know enough about evolution so I am sure you know how you strawmaned it.

Do as you please, LordReed. Not my problem.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by LordReed(m): 8:42pm On Feb 08, 2021
Ihedinobi3:


Same person that said that insanity is a real thing.

What has this got to do with the subject matter?


Do as you please, LordReed. Not my problem.

LMFAO!
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:42pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


"Survival of the fittest" is only 1 mechanism of evolution and not the whole story. Just thought you should be aware.
I know, thats why I said increase in complexity ...

It's like starting with several small books which could be compiled to produce an entirely different bigger book.
Re: Waging A Bet Against An Impossible Statistical Odd by shadeyinka(m): 8:43pm On Feb 08, 2021
LordReed:


LoL

And he has!
And responding to it!

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