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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 6:09pm On Apr 24
nisai:
Who wouldn't run for a class where one has to receive crushing koboko on one's skull each time he/she exhibits dumbness. A default dumbo will never be happy or stay long in such class.

They are bunch of empty but egotistical and cowardly nonentities.

They know they cannot defeat you intellectually. They secretly admire you. In fact, they blame themselves for getting involve against you.

Erin nlo l'oko agbe ntaka, babanla baba tani oo fi oko p'erin?

Yoruba lagba!
God! You are so hilarious — especially with that proverb. ko s’omo na. cheesy

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 8:01pm On Apr 24
TAO12 post=101085111

However, the members of his family are not his slaves like you the general populace. Yes they are his subject, but the term [color=#990000:

slave[/color] is reserved for you natives whom the Ife son met on ground.



Cheers!
"Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter". If you couldn't decode this person is from the Oba's family then you are irredeemable, I had to call him so he could clarify things and he came through. I am vindicated! viola!. In him we live and in him we have our being. He is just like a child you feel you must protect and take care of at all cost. That is how we the Benins see our traditional institutions. It is voluntary and inherent in every Benin man because we believe the well-being of the Oba reflects the well-being of the people. this online division you feel you are creating it's not there and I know it pains you that it's not there, when you are done shouting Yoruba Oba, you can go into your inner chambers and cry miserably for been from a cursed tribe (bastard nor dae Edo)you must be able to point your father's house and trace your ancestry down to the earliest of time. It is not a tribe you come into and after twenty years you say you are from that tribe. you must be able to identify your family unit and they must also be able to identify you and your immediate ancestor. if you are a foreigner, you will be a foreigner for life in Benin because it will be extremely difficult for you to mix with the locals. Our fathers left us an heritage and we are proud of it.EDORODION!! EDOIRISIAGBON!!AISAGBONRIOBA!! and lastly He is not from ife, the one you are talking about got missing in owo forest. They left us a strong identification system

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 8:06pm On Apr 24
UGBE634:
"Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter". If you couldn't decode this person is from the Oba's family then you are irredeemable, I had to call him so he could clarify things and he came through. I am vindicated! viola!. In him we live and in him we have our being. He is just like a child you feel you must protect and take care of at all cost. That is we the Benins see our traditional institutions. It is voluntary and inherent in every Benin man because we believe the well-being of the Oba reflects the well-being of the people. this online division you feel you are creating it's not there and I know it pains you that it's not there, when you are done shouting Yoruba Oba, you can go into your inner chambers and cry miserably for been from a cursed tribe (bastard nor dae Edo)you must be able to point your father's house and trace your ancestry down to the earliest of time. It is not a tribe you come into and after twenty years you say you are from that tribe. you must be able to identify your family unit and they must also be able to identify you and your immediate ancestor. if you are a foreigner, you will a foreigner for life in Benin because it will be extremely difficult for you to miss with the locals. Our fathers left us an heritage and we are proud of it.EDORODION!! EDOIRISIAGBON!!AISOGBONRIOBA!! and lastly He is not from ife, the one you are talking about got missing in owo forest. They left us a strong identification system
(1) The word in Benin context is “slave”.

(2) You have identified as the oba’s slave. That’s okay.

(3) However, your oba’s family line is NOT a slave line.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 8:14pm On Apr 24
TAO12:
(1) The word is slave.

(2) You have identified as the oba’s slave. That’s okay.

(3) However, your oba’s family line is NOT a slave line.
I did not do this because of you but I am doing it because of those reading. I am vindicated,Areafada2 is from the Umogun oba's line and he came through to clarify things with this comment so I am vindicated and this will certainly be my last comment to you."Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter".

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 8:20pm On Apr 24
UGBE634:
I did not do this because of you but I am doing it because of those reading. I am vindicated,Areafada2 is from the Umogun oba's line and he came through to clarify things with this comment so I am vindicated and this will certainly be my last comment to you."Every Benin person (including Oba's children and siblings) is Oba's servant and if they choose to call it slave, so be it. The British call it Queen's subjects, but tribalists only have issue with Benin matter".
(1) The word “subject” is used generally for the peoples of a kingdom.

(2) In the Benin context, the specific word used is slave.

(3) I can’t verify the Benin lineage of AreaDullard

(4) He has claimed different things at different times.

(5) Anyways, he is yet to confirm to me that he’s a slave.

(6) You have confirmed that you are a slave. No issues.

(7) Your oba’s lineage is NOT a slave lineage.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 8:56pm On Apr 24
TAO12:
(1) The word “subject” is used generally for the peoples of a kingdom.

(2) In the Benin context, the specific word used is slave.

(3) I can’t verify the Benin lineage of AreaDullard

(4) He has claimed different things at different times.

(4) Anyways, he is yet to confirm to me that he’s a slave.

(5) You have confirmed that you are a slave. No issues.

(6) Your oba’s lineage is NOT a slave lineage.
The word used is not slave but I believe that as a slowpoke that you are you will just say things in absolutism without leaving ogbomosho to confirm, because symbrixton said so. Again know that I am not doing this for you because you are not worth it. Anyone who can go through areaFada2 post should not have a problem with identifying where he came from. The word we used to refer to ourselves in Benin is 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' meaning Oba's child. my very last reply I promise as I believe the audience does not have a low IQ like you and many of them are well traveled and have seen things for themselves, they would certainly not be swayed away by your attempt to ridicule Benin online regardless of how much you were paid. You are not the one to trace his lineage as you are a bastard yourself having descended from a slave line yourself (an omoale)we the Binis knows where he comes from just by mere looking at his post.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 9:24pm On Apr 24
UGBE634:
The word used is not slave but I believe that as a slowpoke that you are you will just say things in absolutism without leaving ogbomosho to confirm, because symbrixton said so. Again know that I am not doing this for you because you are not worth it. Anyone who can go through areaFada2 post should not have a problem with identifying where he came from. The word we used to refer to ourselves in Benin is 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' meaning Oba's child. my very last reply I promise as I believe the audience does not have a low IQ like you and many of them are well traveled and have seen things for themselves, they would certainly not be swayed away by your attempt to ridicule Benin online regardless of how much you were paid. You are not the one to trace his lineage as you are a bastard yourself having descended from a slave line yourself (an omoale)we the Binis knows where he comes from just by mere looking at his post.

(1) UGBE634 days ago before the strong grip of inferiority complex:
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(2) The 1600/1700 eyewitness, David Van Nyendael:
When a male infant is born it is presented to the king, as properly and of right belonging to him, and hence all the males of the land are called the king's slaves; but the females belong to the father, and live at home as long as he likes, till they are of age, after which he marries them when and to whom he pleases ~ D. V. Nyendael quoted in H. L. Roth, 1903, p. 40.

With this few points of mine, I hope I have been able to convince you that the word is “slave”.

Tainkiu!
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 9:33pm On Apr 24
TAO12:


(1) UGBE634 days ago before the strong grip of inferiority complex:
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(2) The 1600/1700 eyewitness, David Van Nyendael:
When a male infant is born it is presented to the king, as properly and of right belonging to him, and hence all the males of the land are called the king's slaves; but the females belong to the father, and live at home as long as he likes, till they are of age, after which he marries them when and to whom ~ D. V. Nyendael quoted in H. L. Roth, 1903, p. 40.

With this few points of mine, I hope I have been able to convince you that the word is “slave”.

Tainkiu!
David van nyendeal account does not reflect the status of things on ground and the Igbos who are well traveled knows this. "Because your own na if he nor dae book he nor dae", it is either 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' Oba's child these are the words we use to refer to ourselves in Benin. The Igbos who are well traveled know this my very last reply. I shouldn't take you serious for the fact that you have not step a foot in Benin all your life. That was the sixteenth hundred, this is the 21st century wake up!
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 9:37pm On Apr 24
UGBE634:
David van nyendeal account does not reflect the status of things on ground and the Igbos who are well traveled knows this. "Because your own na if he nor dae book he nor dae", it is either 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' Oba's child these are the words we use to refer to ourselves in Benin. The Igbos who are well traveled know this my very last reply. I shouldn't take you serious for the fact that you have not step a foot in Benin all your life

Nyandeal was an eyewitness. He documented centuries ago. And the ink has dried up.

You agreed days ago. Today you don’t anymore. What changed?

The word is SLAVE.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 9:38pm On Apr 24
TAO12:

Nyandeal was an eyewitness. He documented centuries ago. And the ink has dried up.

You agreed days ago. Today you don’t anymore. What changed?

The word is SLAVE.
David van nyendeal account does not reflect the status of things on ground and the Igbos who are well traveled knows this. "Because your own na if he nor dae book he nor dae", it is either 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' Oba's child these are the words we use to refer to ourselves in Benin. The Igbos who are well traveled know this my very last reply. I shouldn't take you serious for the fact that you have not step a foot in Benin all your life. That was the sixteenth hundred, this is the 21st century wake up!
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 9:40pm On Apr 24
UGBE634:
David van nyendeal account does not reflect the status of things on ground and the Igbos who are well traveled knows this. "Because your own na if he nor dae book he nor dae", it is either 'Okpioba' meaning Oba's man or 'Ovbioba' Oba's child these are the words we use to refer to ourselves in Benin. The Igbos who are well traveled know this my very last reply. I shouldn't take you serious for the fact that you have not step a foot in Benin all your life. That was the sixteenth hundred, this is the 21st century wake up!
Oh I get what you’re saying now.

You mean in the days of Nyandeal — you lot are slaves.

But presently, you lot have tampered with tradition.

Okay, now you’re talking. Everything makes sense now. cheesy

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by UGBE634: 9:49pm On Apr 24
TAO12:
Oh I get what you’re saying now.

You mean in the days of Nyandeal — you lot are slaves.

But presently, you lot have tampered with tradition.

Okay, now you’re talking. Everything makes sense now. cheesy

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if you want to reference me reference me completely you argue to win and not to say the truth this truly proves it omoale if you were paid it shall not stand, the Edo nation is too big for your gimmick. you can see another of my brother liking and commending my post in Benin language because I reflected the mind of the majority

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 9:57pm On Apr 24
UGBE634:
if you want to reference me reference me completely you argue to win and not to say the truth this truly proves it omoale. if you were paid it shall not stand, the Edo nation is too big for your gimmick. you can see another of my brother liking and commending my post in Benin language because I am reflecting the mind of the majority
(1) We have now settled part A which is that:

Your tradition originally demands that you lots are slaves (per eyewitnesses), but you lot have now tampered with tradition (as usual). I get that part

(2) The part B which I want to settle now is this. Please answer this with one word and one word only — A “yes” or a “no”.

Are you a slave of your oba?
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 10:15pm On Apr 24
UGBE634: Is that you? Just asking oo. Lol.

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Olu317(m): 6:14am On Apr 25
Fezz:


I can't be too precise about the dates you are requesting for. It is said that Oranmiyan stayed in igodomigo around 1170 AD because archaeological work was done on his palace that was built in Uzama quarters in Usen and his palace still exists on that site till today.

Ekalederan had no descendants in Ughoton, he was still quite young when he left Ughoton. According to records, all that is mentioned is that he had followers who accompanied him from igalla land to ile-ife. He had a wife in igalla. According to records he had only one child called okanbi and i cant say if akanbi was born in igalla land. I'm sure you are aware of all the names of his grand children.


1.If you are not sure of the date of Ekelederan's father's time of existence on earth,then how can you determine that he was Ọṣì/OdùIwá ?

2.Are you aware Igala/Akpoto was not in existence, when Yoruba ancestors fused temporarily with some Nupe/Jukun /Kwarafa to breed the present day Igala?

3.Do you have evidence to proof Igala is not a mixed breed of Yoruba and Nupe group's ?

4. What exactly is the emigration account of Ekeladeran to Igala Land ?

4. Who are Ekalederan's descendants in Igala Land ?

5. Do you have accounts that Ekalederan didn't have biological descendants in Ughoton /Gwato ?
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 6:38am On Apr 25
Olu317:
1.If you are not sure of the date of Ekelederan's father's time of existence on earth,then how can you determine that he was Ọṣì/OdùIwá ?

2.Are you aware Igala/Akpoto was not in existence, when Yoruba ancestors fused temporarily with some Nupe/Jukun /Kwarafa to breed the present day Igala?

3.Do you have evidence to proof Igala is not a mixed breed of Yoruba and Nupe group's ?

4. What exactly is the emigration account of Ekeladeran to Igala Land ?

4. Who are Ekalederan's descendants in Igala Land ?

5. Do you have accounts that Ekalederan didn't have biological descendants in Ughoton /Gwato ?
Ekaladerhan lived his whole life in Ughoton. He has not a thing to do with Igala or/and Ife.

The Ife spin to the story (and of recent the Igala spin) are the 1970s face-saving revisions which are disallowed by the much older documentations on Ekaladerhan.

The conclusion that he lived all his life in Ughoton is the only conclusion obtainable from the authentic account of Ekaladerhan which was collected by Cyril Punch in the 1880s and published by H. Ling Roth in 1903.

The same authentic account of Ekaladerhan collected by Punch and published by Roth was also collected by Chief Egharevba from an entirely different generation of Binis in circa 1930.

In each of the foregoing early accounts (especially that of Punch published by Roth), the conclusion obtainable is that he lived all his life in his kingdom of Ughoton.

It took about 100 years since Punch’s collection before a group of insecure Binis (non-historians) stepped in to attempt a reversal of the original Ekaladerhan narrative by seeking to make him to be one and the same person as Oranmiyan/Oduduwa.

And when asked to name their informants or cite even a source for their new and strange information, they didn’t name or cite one thing.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Etrusen(m): 7:34am On Apr 25
UGBE634:
if you want to reference me reference me completely you argue to win and not to say the truth this truly proves it omoale if you were paid it shall not stand, the Edo nation is too big for your gimmick. you can see another of my brother liking and commending my post in Benin language because I reflected the mind of the majority



Ekpen a biese

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Olu317(m): 11:50am On Apr 25
TAO12:
Ekaladerhan lived his whole life in Ughoton. He has not a thing to do with Igala or/and Ife.

The Ife spin to the story (and of recent the Igala spin) are the 1970s face-saving revisions which are disallowed by the much older documentations on Ekaladerhan.

The conclusion that he lived all his life in Ughoton is the only conclusion obtainable from the authentic account of Ekaladerhan which was collected by Cyril Punch in the 1880s and published by H. Ling Roth in 1903.

The same authentic account of Ekaladerhan collected by Punch and published by Roth was also collected by Chief Egharevba from an entirely different generation of Binis in circa 1930.

In each of the foregoing early accounts (especially that of Punch published by Roth), the conclusion obtainable is that he lived all his life in his kingdom of Ughoton.

It took about 100 years since Punch’s collection before a group of insecure Binis (non-historians) stepped in to attempt a reversal of the original Ekaladerhan narrative by seeking to make him to be one and the same person as Oranmiyan/Oduduwa.

And when asked to name their informants or cite even a source for their new and strange information, they didn’t name or cite one thing.
I have had the opportunity of seeing some of your references,which are also available to these Binis as well. Even at this, many eye glaring researches ,that specifically denounce such dubious assumption claiming Odua as Ekeladeran which is the reason I want to see evidence that proofs Ekeladeran being Odua , if indeed such is true.

Obviously , Fezz position and others, who claimed Ekeladeran had no descendants remained the reason I want to inform these Binis that ideed Ekelaredan wasn't OduaIwa because Afonso D'Aveiro met Ekeladeran's descendant in Gwato/Ughoton. Thuough I await Binis response to my questions.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 1:47pm On Apr 25
TAO12:
Did I say Benin learnt bronze casting from the Yorubas? No I didn’t say that.

It is Benin traditional account that insists that the knowledge and technique of bronze casting was taught to the Binis by the bronze casters from the ancient city of Ife.

It is not my fault that you’re ignorant of your own traditional account.

I think you’re one of those block heads who do not read what they type replies to.

I already told you that Benins didn’t establish any land, neither did they name any land as Eko. Do you have selective seeing disease? cheesy

Here is my reply again in case your brain was under lock and keys earlier, or perhaps you have no brain at all.

(1). The idea that Lagos island was established or named (Eko) by Binis is a big fat myth that developed from Benin and was first published by them in the 1950s.

(2). The proof lies in the fact the received published accounts of Lagos history (which existed many decades before the Benin myth) already confirmed that the name Eko [contraction of Ereko] was named by Yorubas. ~ See: D’Avezac (1845: p.26).

(3). Also, Lagos island had long, long been named Eko by Yorubas prior to when any of the foreign elements (viz. Aja, Benin, or Ijaw) immigrated to the area for the first time [to take part in the European coastal trade]. ~ See: Alan C. Burns (1929: p.44).

(4). In the light of the foregoing received accounts, the reality then appears to be that:

The Binis immigrated to Lagos in the mid/late 1500s like other groups. They set up their own camp on the part of the island allocated to them. They then encountered the name Eko as the pre-existing name of the island of which their camp occupies a fraction. The name Eko then slowly flowed overtime into the their lexicon and ultimately acquired the meaning ‘camp’ among them.

This is quite corroborated with the fact that some older words actually exist for ‘camp’ in the Bini language, and those are: ‘Ago’ [and perhaps ‘Oxogbo’].


I have already provided you with the information passed down by the indigenous account of Oduduwa’s historical roots, but you appear too scared to want to hear it.

You can’t on one hand ask me what the tradition says, and another hand get sacred of hearing what it says. You have to make up your mind. The indigenous Yoruba account says:

Oduduwa grew up in the Oke-Ora hilly settlement on the outskirts of the Ife bowl. His youth, since moving down to the Ife bowl, was spent in the Omologun ward of Ife. He thereafter moved from there to set up his base at the Idio ward of Ife acter emerging as the ruler of a unified Ife following some period of great political turmoil in Ife. His personal family at Idio became the royal family from which all the different present-day royal families of Ife have emerged.

Having educated you on that, why do you need him so badly to be one of your ancestors? The received/extant traditions of Benin history disallows that he is from you. Stop trying hard to contradict your own history. No he is not one of your ancestors, he is your ‘conqueror’.

Will you now answer my questions which I have been asking? How long did it take Mr. Idu to treck from Rome to Edo state? Did Igodo’s parachute fail when he crash- landed from heaven to Edo state?

And when was Olugbo (in Ilaje) conferred with the honorary title of Professor of Ife history?

Binis are clearly a bunch of dullards who would sing the praises of anyone who massage their tiny ego. You all feel so little no matter how hard you try to veil it.

Now to debunk you properly:
EVEN IF an Australian immigrate from Australia to live in a very remote part of the world — say Congo — among some very remote & isolated natives; it still would NOT take him 16 years to master the natives’s language no matter how hard he is determined to not socialize.

The foregoing illustration is thus an example of making use of ratiocination to corroborate the assertion that the Olugbo (in Ilaje) is terribly wrong in his poorly thought out fabrication of his personal narrative.

Cheers!

Cc: nisai, gomojam




ODUDUWA
I will stick to the Ife version of this Great myth because, I am yet to read the book of Samuel Johnson and a critical review of the general situation of the yorubas at that time will really help in understanding his frame of mind and his work.

Having being a good reader of Greeks, Roman and European history, I personally believed he wanted a unifying factor in the make of a Alexander the great, Julius Ceaser etc for the Yoruba's, Oduduwa fits in perfectly. He wrote the book at a time most Yoruba domains were up in arms against one another and coincidentally several years back this same situations led to the emergence of Oduduwa, who battled a spirit man Obatala, and emerged victorious leading to the unification of Yoruba land.



ORANMIYAN
The son of Oduduwa and the grandfather of the god of thunder, Sango whom Bobrisky says his no fiction. Well the Emperor of Japan claims they descended from the SUN bet we all know better how men after turning leaders of men try to ascribe themselves all manners of godlike attributes to their ancestry.

I wish periods and time could be apportioned these figures one could have seen how mythical all these beliefs are but I wonder, if the ward where Oduduwa is said to have originated from is known then this shouldn't be issue, but alas!

It is with no doubt that when Samuel Johnson was up and about his book, Benin Kingdom was well known in Europe and the craftsmanship it offered. The British in particular who exiled the Oba in 1897 to Calabar, prior to this time never spoke of any greater chief or kingdom West of Benin, had their been any it would have been well documented. Instead a calculated raid of the territory was schemed out just to justify the looting of the kingdom. Ife or Oyo would have been raided if they had anything the British wanted, but the Chiefs and land offered nothing.

Why the controversy over Lagos and not a controversy over any part of Benin kingdom?
In the first place why a debate if it never was so? The interior of present Lagos may have had inhabitants of the Yoruba stock but not the shorelines and the lands about it, every man were subject to the Oba even the Portuguese and to deal with the Oba before any transaction was carried out with a third party. This practice was done by most kings of the coastal states, their territory was a no-no to Europeans until the ganging up against African kings culminating in the partition of Africa.
The exile of the Oba to Calabar gave Britain control of Lagos, Oduduwa is nothing but myth, Oranmiyan is mythical and Lagos for over 200years was under the Obas control
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 3:26pm On Apr 25
KingOKON:
ODUDUWA
I will stick to the Ife version of this Great myth because, I am yet to read the book of Samuel Johnson and a critical review of the general situation of the yorubas at that time will really help in understanding his frame of mind and his work.

Having being a good reader of Greeks, Roman and European history, I personally believed he wanted a unifying factor in the make of a Alexander the great, Julius Ceaser etc for the Yoruba's, Oduduwa fits in perfectly. He wrote the book at a time most Yoruba domains were up in arms against one another and coincidentally several years back this same situations led to the emergence of Oduduwa, who battled a spirit man Obatala, and emerged victorious leading to the unification of Yoruba land.

ORANMIYAN
The son of Oduduwa and the grandfather of the god of thunder, Sango whom Bobrisky says his no fiction. Well the Emperor of Japan claims they descended from the SUN bet we all know better how men after turning leaders of men try to ascribe themselves all manners of godlike attributes to their ancestry.

I wish periods and time could be apportioned these figures one could have seen how mythical all these beliefs are but I wonder, if the ward where Oduduwa is said to have originated from is known then this shouldn't be issue, but alas!

It is with no doubt that when Samuel Johnson was up and about his book, Benin Kingdom was well known in Europe and the craftsmanship it offered. The British in particular who exiled the Oba in 1897 to Calabar, prior to this time never spoke of any greater chief or kingdom West of Benin, had their been any it would have been well documented. Instead a calculated raid of the territory was schemed out just to justify the looting of the kingdom. Ife or Oyo would have been raided if they had anything the British wanted, but the Chiefs and land offered nothing.

Why the controversy over Lagos and not a controversy over any part of Benin kingdom?
In the first place why a debate if it never was so? The interior of present Lagos may have had inhabitants of the Yoruba stock but not the shorelines and the lands about it, every man were subject to the Oba even the Portuguese and to deal with the Oba before any transaction was carried out with a third party. This practice was done by most kings of the coastal states, their territory was a no-no to Europeans until the ganging up against African kings culminating in the partition of Africa.
The exile of the Oba to Calabar gave Britain control of Lagos, Oduduwa is nothing but myth, Oranmiyan is mythical and Lagos for over 200years was under the Obas control
A heap of words which fails to address even one line from the comment against which it was directed, and also fails to have one line of itself substantiated by a single academic historical material is as good as a well imagined lengthy NollyWood Script.

Here thus is another corroboration of the well-known fact that OKON does indeed have a wonderfully-low IQ cheesy

Cc: nisai, gomojam

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 3:48pm On Apr 25
TAO12:
A heap of words which fails to address even one line from the comment against which it was directed, and also fails to have one line of itself substantiated by a single academic historical material is as good as a well imagined lengthy NollyWood Script.

Here thus is another corroboration of the well-known fact that OKON does indeed have a wonderfully-low IQ cheesy

Cc: nisai, gomojam
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That the fact you believe in Oranmiyan, Oduduwa that have all manner of fallacies with no concrete evidence tells how intelligent you are
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 4:14pm On Apr 25
KingOKON:
That the fact you believe in Oranmiyan, Oduduwa that have all manner of fallacies with no concrete evidence tells how intelligent you are
Your oba said Oranmiyan & Oduduwa are his fore-fathers.

Is there any reason why you think your Oba (Ewuare-2) is an irredeemable dullard ?

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Jagunlabiodua: 5:07pm On Apr 25
KingOKON:
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That the fact you believe in Oranmiyan, Oduduwa that have all manner of fallacies with no concrete evidence tells how intelligent you are

No fallacy, the legend of Oranmiyan is real, these were mighty kings before the Europeans came here, the world did not start 2000 years ago. Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are true stories and they are written over 1000yrs.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 5:59pm On Apr 25
TAO12:
Your oba said Oranmiyan & Oduduwa are his fore-fathers.

Is there any reason why you think your Oba (Ewuare-2) is an irredeemable dullard ?
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Hehe, anyone that believes in Oduduwa is more than a dullard
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 6:02pm On Apr 25
Jagunlabiodua:


No fallacy, the legend of Oranmiyan is real, these were mighty kings before the Europeans came here, the world did not start 2000 years ago. Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are true stories and they are written over 1000yrs.
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Very good, so which of the Oduduwa stories do you want to talk about?
The one with Ife , Mecca or Hebrews tales
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 6:13pm On Apr 25
KingOKON:
Hehe, anyone that believes in Oduduwa is more than a dullard
Wonderful! So, Oba Ewuare-2 is a dullard? shocked grin

Okay, why is he a dullard?
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 6:18pm On Apr 25
TAO12:
Wonderful! So, Oba Ewuare-2 is a dullard? shocked grin

Okay, why is he a dullard?


Anyone who believes in Oduduwa fables is a Numbskull
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 7:56pm On Apr 25
KingOKON:
Anyone who believes in Oduduwa fables is a Numbskull

So, is your oba Ewuare-2 an irredeemable dullard ? Yes or Yes? cheesy

And why do you think Ewuare-2 is a dullard?

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 8:01pm On Apr 25
TAO12:


So, is your oba Ewuare-2 an irredeemable dullard ? Yes or Yes? cheesy

And why do you think he is a dullard if you say “yes”?
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Anyone and Everyone who believes in Oduduwa fairytale falls in the above category
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 8:10pm On Apr 25
KingOKON:
Anyone and Everyone who believes in Oduduwa fairytale falls in the above category
Dear Bini dullards (gregyboy, AreaFada2, UGBE634, Fezz, et al.):

Do you all agree with Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ that the man in the picture below is the latest Benin dullard in town???

www.nairaland.com/attachments/13448159_01e8ea2aea8041fda42c86741a99bcdf_webp_webpb0165618fdf9e64003654153139e270f

Thank you for your anticipated and honest replies.

Kind Regards,
Tao

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by fregeneh(m): 10:52pm On Apr 25
TAO12:
What kind of pleading is that?

His father is Benin, his mother is Yoruba, hence he is biased against his father undecided

And the whole Bini land (including Akenzua-2) would not see what he wrote and punsih him if he had written something different from what he was given.


Do you Binis reason before talking? cheesy

Oba Akenzua-2 was also biased because ...

Oba Eweka-2 was also biased because ...

The historians of African history were also biased because ...

Cyril Punch who collected the original account of Ekaladerhan in the 1880s is biased because ...

and those fable and beer parlour gist put together by Bini paternal/maternal story teller were the ones that are not bias ??
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO12: 10:55pm On Apr 25
fregeneh:
and those fable and beer parlour gist put together by Bini paternal/maternal story teller were the ones that are not bias ??
Those Bini e-rats actually have no single clue regarding what has been going on under their noses.

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