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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Olu317(m): 3:34pm On May 25
TAO11:




Professor Biobaku’s thesis (or belief as you call it) in the 1970s is based on what??

This is the crucial question you must continue to ask yourself whenever you come across writings which suggest foreign roots for Oduduwa.

If you shy away from asking this question, then every supposed investigation you make afterwards is not only superficial but also rooted in self-deceit.

To answer this question, Professor Biobaku’s thesis here is (like many other similar theses which suggest foreign roots for Oduduwa) based on the conclusion reached in the late 1800s by the Rev. S. Johnson.

The Rev. Samuel Johnson concluded in the 1800s that the Yorubas (including the historical personage known as Oduduwa) hail originally from Upper Egypt.

It is on the basis of this original thesis of Rev Johnson that all subsequent historical theses of foreign roots (i.e. Middle-Eastern roots) was then based till date.

As such, it is important to ask the next key question — which is that, on what foundation did S. Johnson himself base his very hypotheses/conclusion?

Was his hypothesis/conclusion based on accounts which originate ab-initio from the Yorubas themselves? The answer here is NO.

Instead, his ‘Middle-East’ hypotheses/conclusion is based on an account from Hausaland (authored by Sultan Bello) collected by Europeans in the early 1800s.

In contrast, this account of Yoruba origin which comes from Hausaland is completely opposite to the accounts of Yoruba origin (collected also in the early 1800s by Europeans) from Yorubaland.

The story that the Yorubas as a whole are originally from the Middle-East is the genesis of all the various accounts which regard Oduduwa as having his roots from the Middle-East.

This story was authored by Sultan Bello of Sokoto in the year 1824. He noted that the Yorubas originated from the Middle-East — (“Mecca” particularly).

Whereas, during the same period (and of course centuries earlier), the accounts collected from the Yorubas themselves by the Europeans maintains the complete opposite — that is, the Yorubas originated in their present homeland region.

This Bello’s story (which the Yorubas’s own testimony of the same period refutes) is the genesis of the ‘Middle-East’ narrative.

The Rev. Samuel Johnson jumped on this Middle-East direction (from Sultan Bello) to reach his own slightly different conclusion, viz. “Upper-Egypt or Nubia”.

Similarly, the best minds in historical scholarship whom came after Johnson simply followed Johnson’s lead (without the second thought of investigating the origins of his conclusion).

They all faced the Middle-East and arrived at their respective conclusions. One of these scholars is the Professor Biobaku himself, among others.

It wasn’t until deep into the 1900s, before a new direction emerged. This new direction now focuses on the indigenous evidence — that is, what the account of the Yorubas say ab-initio. Rather than what Bello’s story (from Hausaland) says about the Yorubas.

This new direction (which focuses on the indigenous evidence and other source material evolved as part of a more scientific study of African history in general) has now enabled scholars of Yoruba & African history to respectfully lay aside Sultan Bello’s story as well as the Johnsonian hypothesis which is based on it (including all other conclusions based on them).

In contrast, the indigenous accounts of the Yorubas themselves has it, ab-initio, that: (1) the Yorubas’ emergence as an ethnolinguistic group of people first occurred inside the regions of their present homeland; (2) Oduduwa as a historical personage hails from a hilly settlement, viz. Oke-Ora — one of the seven hilly settlements surrounding the Ife-bowl.

Moreover, there is not one single conflict between these two foregoing piece of indigenous Yoruba tradition on one hand, and modern scientific knowledge on the other hand.

In fact, these two pieces of information have found a significant amount of corroboration in archaeology, linguistics, and recently (though still ongoing) genetics.

As it stands today, “All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that ... It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”.~ S. Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” 2010.

Cheers!
grin grin grin angry Father of lies; The devil. Only Professor Akintoye is correct. Abookwritten in 2010. I cant stop laughing at your ignorance.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 3:47pm On May 25
Olu317:
grin grin grin angry Father of lies; The devil. Only Professor Akintoye is correct. Abookwritten in 2010. I cant stop laughing at your ignorance.
Dear Olu317 the scam artist,

Thank you for confirming your disability — yes your natural inability to comprehend English sentences. cheesy

Kind regards,
TAO — aka. Olu317’s tormentor.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Olu317(m): 3:55pm On May 25
Christistruth00:



TAO11 how are you hope everything is going well.
I found this article by Prof Biobaku which he wrote in the 1970s he also believed Oduduwa migrated from outside Ile Ife

THE PATTERN OF YORUBA HISTORY D r . SABURI BIOBAKU

Director of the Yoruba Historical Research Schzme, Nigeria
THE history of the indigenous peoples of West Africa is ripe for intensive research. The inevitable starting point is their traditional accounts; for since they were non-literate until comparatively recent times, their historian cannot expect to base his work on the normal raw materials of written documents. Happily, the research has begun, and the purpose of this short article is to summarize what a preliminary study of the traditional accounts of one of the peoples of West Africa has revealed of their history.
The Yoruba are one of the leading peoples of West Africa. They number over 4 million in the Western Region of Nigeria; the remainder inhabit a small part of Northern Nigeria and over- flow into French Dahomey and Togo, where they are known as 'Nagot' or 'Anago\ The Itsekiri of Western Nigeria are an offshoot of the main Yoruba stock, and the Oba of Benin and his immediate nobility can trace their descent from Ile-Ife, the Yoruba Holy City. Younger members of the Benin ruling house carried *Yoruba' influence eastwards across the Niger as far as Onitsha and into the Creeks, notably to Nembe in the Brass District. Yoruba descendants are also found at Freetown,
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Sierra Leone, where they are known as the Aku ' people. Out-
side West Africa, they are known as the 'Lucumi' in Brazil. While concentrating on the Yoruba in Nigeria, what is said of them is essentially true of the other Yoruba-speaking peoples. They had a common origin; they might even have had an earlier common name which has been lost. They possess certain characteristics in common: they are farmers who dwell in towns ; their political institutions are monarchical and yet democratic; their indigenous religion is polytheistic, but they recognize a supreme deity, the Olorun; they are an artistic people whose skill was once of a very high order. The fact that the Yoruba possess a homogeneous culture is noticeable throughout the areas which they inhabit or into which their influence has
penetrated.
The Yoruba are not indigenous to Nigeria; they were immi-
grants from a region where they came under the influences of ancient Egyptians, Etruscans and Jews. Their original home

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must have been in the Near East, and it is probable that the all-Black Kingdom of Meroe in the Sudan played an important part in transmitting Egyptian influences to them. Whether it was in Upper Egypt or the Yemen, the Yoruba came under Arab influences in their old homes, and their subsequent migra- tion was connected with Arab movements. The migrations, which occurred in waves, formed parts of well-known migra- tions in the Sudan, through which the culture and civilization of North Africa were diffused throughout the regions immediately to the South. The first major wave, part of the great migration of Meroitic peoples, led by Kisra, a magician King, took place in the 7th century A.D. When it arrived in the area which is now Northern Nigeria, the Yoruba wave passed through the confluence of the Niger and the Benue and left a Yoruba settle- ment round Idah. These Yoruba immigrants subsequently became known as the Igara. The major wave swept on into part of the area now known as Yoruba-land, and the wanderers established themselves in the Ekiti country among their thinly spread predecessors, who were probably Efa or Egun peoples. From Ekiti, a minor wave went southwards and gave rise to the
Idoko branch of the Yoruba.
In this first wave of migrations, the Yoruba brought with
them all their characteristic institutions. The band of wanderers led by bold hunters soon founded towns, their political centres, whilst the people farmed in nearby areas. Each small town had an Oba or sacred chief at its head who was assisted by several secret societies, such as the Ogboni, in the exercise of rudimentary political and civic powers. Numerous sacred chiefs and small independent political units resulted in the Ekiti country and elsewhere. The Kisra migration was largely a peaceful penetra- tion, as witnessed by the various relics which it left behind in places such as Karissen, Wukari and Bussa. With the enter- prising farmers in search of better land who followed the great King, came also artists and artisans, who probably brought with them the prototypes of some of the well-known Yoruba terra- cottas and bronze heads. This first wave resulted in the planting of Yoruba elements, which not only helped to prepare the way effectively for the larger influx of the next major wave, but contributed much to the whole stream of Yoruba culture.
The second wave, the Oduduwa migration, is the best known in tradition. It arose from the pressure which the incursion of the Arabs into the Sudan exercised upon remnants of the

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Yoruba and must have taken place towards the end of the 10th century A.D. The people who resisted all-conquering Islam found a great leader in Oduduwa (a leader later deified in tradition) and left their homes in search of a place where they could practise their traditional religion in safety. From the large chiefdoms which they later founded, it is evident that the leaders of this migration brought with them greater political
ideas and experience than the earlier ones.
We may safely assume that the Oduduwa migration entered
the area of modern Nigeria in the neighbourhood of Nupe. After crossing the Niger, it went southwards and eventually found a suitable site for a settlement at Ile-Ife, overwhelming the earlier inhabitants by its superior numbers and readily absorbing them. The newcomers, virile and united under one leadership, soon developed a stronghold at Ile-Ife, which became their cultural and artistic centre. Ife terra-cotta and bronze heads, distinguished by their unusual naturalism, testify to the high order of their artistic sensibilities. They also established their traditional religion with its 401 gods at Ile-Ife, which became a Holy City and was gradually idealized by them into the centre of creation. The gods they worshipped were either deified rulers such as Oduduwa or Obalufon; or gods of fertility (Orisa Oko) ; of divination (Ifa); of the sea and rivers (Olokun, Oshun); or of prosperity and well-being (Aje Shaluga). All these gods were but intermediaries to the supreme god, the Olorun (owner of the sky).
When the Yoruba had consolidated their political powers at Ile-Ife, they penetrated the neighbourhood in fan-like directions. This sudsidiary penetration occurred in two phases. The first phase was relatively peaceful and is known euphemistically in tradition as the division of the Kingdom among Oduduwa's sons. Minor waves of migration from Ile-Ife resulted in large and small chiefdoms such as Ketu and Shabe in the far west, Oyo in the Savannah, and Benin to the east. This phase occurred chiefly in the 11th century, when the Yoruba brought into play their political genius and organizing ability; for large chiefdoms were based upon large towns, which presented problems of law and order, of farming and of trade. During this phase also, the sub-tribes such as the Ijesha, the Oyo-Yoruba, the Ijebu, the Egba became differentiated.
The second phase was that of penetration by conquest. Gradually, two powerful kingdoms arose in the Yoruba country,

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and each became imperial. Oyo, to the West, achieved great-
ness under two warrior rulers—Oranyan and Shango—and
exercised suzerainty over a wide area. At the height of Oyo's
power in the 17th and 18th centuries, Dahomey paid annual
tribute to it, and Yoruba influence probably extended as far
as the Ga of the Gold Coast (now Ghana) as well. The ruler ,
of the 'empire was the Alafin (owner of the palace), and he established at Old Oyo, the capital, a truly elaborate court complete with eunuch and seraglio. The empire was divided into provinces, each of which embraced several chiefdoms. Metropolitan control was exercised through Ilari or intendants sent from Old Oyo, and sometimes through an Ajele or pro- consul, who represented the Alafin at the headquarters of pro- vincial kings. At the capital itself, the Alafin was assisted by the Oyomisi (the nobility), led by the Bashorun and the Esho Esho (or war lords), who were led in turn by the Are-ona Kakanfo; the commander-in-chief.
The second imperial chiefdom, which lay to the east of Ife, was Benin. It took two penetrations to establish the Yoruba dynasty firmly among the Edo people. The resulting kingdom rapidly extended its sway over an 'empire' stretching across the Niger and then recoiled westwards to include some Yoruba states. The Portuguese established contact with Benin in the
15th century, and the kingdom became famous for its bronze works (a derivative form of the Ife heads) and the mightiness of its rulers.
Space does not permit a more detailed account of either the Oyo or the Benin empire, nor of the other Yoruba states includ- ing the kingdom of the Olu of the Itsekiri. By the 19th century, both empires were in decay, and the Yoruba country was in the grip of internecine war. The ravages of the transatlantic slave trade aggravated the disruptive influences, and the result was that the Yoruba were weak, divided and demoralized when British penetration of their country began in earnest. Never- theless, they once held their own as a transmitter of culture and civilization. The artistic side of that culture is now receiv- ing recognition in the acknowledgement of the excellence of Ife terra-cotta and Benin bronzes. Dependent status in the
modern world has, however, obscured the political and economic aspects of their earlier achievements.
Law and order was maintained throughout the Oyo empire, and, even when it was on the wane in the 19th century, the

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British explorers, Captain Clapperton and Richard Lander, were able to travel in safety from Badagry on the coast to Old Oyo in the interior under the protection of the Alafin. Human sacrifice had been abolished at Old Oyo by the beginning of the 19th century, and elsewhere in the Yoruba country it was a dying custom only rarely resorted to in times of dire necessity. At CJld Oyo there was neither the blood-bath of customs that marred the military kingdoms of Dahomey and Ashanti, nor the excessive cruelty which characterized some of the other African 'empires'. In the Oyo domains trade flourished; Kola nuts were taken along the caravan routes from Badagry and were exchanged for glassware and beads in North Africa by traders who passed in safety through the imperial city of Old Oyo. Throughout the Yoruba country, cotton was grown and woven into cloths of varying excellence and worn by the people according to their means. Among the Yoruba 'manner maketh man'; culture was reflected in politeness; and urbaniza- tion bred consideration for others and their points of view.
This brief analysis of the traditional account of the history of the Yoruba has revealed not only the roots, but also the depth, of their culture. It has shown that the peoples of West Africa, despite the present dependent status from which they are rapidly emerging, have a past at once fascinating to the his- torian and rewarding in its enrichment of our understanding of the world and its peoples. The challenge is one of techniques, and several historians and archaeologists have taken it up in the various research schemes now under way in West Africa.
Bronze Plaque excavated at Benin

Dont waste your time on him. You see, to him, anything foreign about Oduduwa, simply gives him goose pimple.

In 1986, Wole Shoyinka was awarded Noble Leaurate through his work wichh was written , and acknowledged by swedish academy that Yoruaba have link with Mediterranean. Kindly read

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 4:20pm On May 25
(1) A Swedes oyinbo, in 1986, said (on the basis of a Fulani authorship from the early 1800s) that Yoruba people have their original ancestral roots in the region now called ‘Middle-East’.

(2) Yorubas, from time immemorial, said (with written documentation also from the early 1800s) that Yoruba people have their original ancestral roots within the region now called ‘Nigeria’.

Olu the scam artist clearly couldn’t deny that he is in-deed proudly a bastard.

Cc: Christistruth00

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by macof(m): 6:57pm On May 25
0balufonlll:


Obatala founded & reigned at Iranje [and later, Ife].

His descendants resident in Iranje recorded a phenomenon sometime around the 19th century. This event was very impactful such that they thought to commemorate the event in a descriptive term [Idita] which was added to the original name of the town founded by Obatala. Hence, Iranje-Idita.

Obatala's descendants started Idita, several centuries after Obatala founded Iranje. It was a form of change and continuity.

What I'm trying to say is, your theory about the etymology of Obatala is not workable bro.

Interesting. I knew Idita was Iranje sure but that the term came centuries after Obatala is new information.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 7:48pm On May 25
macof:
Interesting. I knew Idita was Iranje sure but that the term came centuries after Obatala is new information.
I was calling your attention on the other thread to this very information.

https://www.nairaland.com/6555694/one-here-interested-discussing-yoruba/2#102060946
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by macof(m): 8:20pm On May 25
Christistruth00:

1. The Yoruba are not indigenous to Nigeria; they were immi-
grants from a region where they came under the influences of ancient Egyptians, Etruscans and Jews. Their original home in the middle east..whether it was in Upper Egypt or Yemen...

2. When it arrived in the area which is now Northern Nigeria, the Yoruba wave passed through the confluence of the Niger and the Benue and left a Yoruba settle- ment round Idah. These Yoruba immigrants subsequently became known as the Igara.

3... The second wave, the Oduduwa migration, is the best known in tradition. It arose from the pressure which the incursion of the Arabs into the Sudan exercised upon remnants of the Yoruba and must have taken place towards the end of the 10th century A.D
.. where they could practise their traditional religion in safety

In addition to what TAO11 has said I want to address some key points of the content

But first I'll say...
This is why knowledge of World history is important.
When you understand that the history of any one people is only a small part of the history of all peoples you would know that an accurate narrative must be consistent and fit with facts of events happening elsewhere. Especially when you start claiming one people migrated from somewhere.. You need to know the history of that "somewhere"

1. Ancient Egyptians, Etruscans and Jews?? ... Jews are not contemporary of Etruscans and ancient Egyptians
Maybe if it was stated "ancient Hebrews" I guess that might fly
But so many problems here still...

First, I don't know why it is implied that Egypt is middle east.

Secondly, What are the influences in Yoruba from these 3 groups? And how come Etruscans influenced only Yoruba in the middle east (if we are to believe that) but no other group of middle eastern people have or had any Etruscan influence?

Surely if the basis for this narrative is claimed to be "influences" we should have a description of these influences. And proof to add, that they were from outside to inside not the other way round ie. not the Yoruba influencing these people

And none of these 3 groups mentioned are known to have influenced anybody in Yemen in ancient times. So if Yemen is the Yoruba original home, we should first look look for ancient Egyptian, Etruscan or Hebrew influences there, then we see if any found are comparable to any influence found in yorubaland.

Same for upper Egypt.. We start there by looking for Etruscan and Hebrew influence.

2. From the middle east to Kogi State Nigeria, we cannot believe this "Yoruba migration" did not stop somewhere to found settlements until Idah in the Igala country. Or none still in existence except Igala settlements in Nigeria. No Yoruba settlements in hausaland, Niger Republik, Chad etc
It is so convenient that Igala's are mentioned because obviously they speak a Yoruboid language as anybody could tell by just listening to Igala and this fact was well known when this article was written in the 70s.
But the knowledge of the yoruboid language family belonging to a language group that includes other languages spoken around wasn't well known and explored until the 80s/90s

3. OK so here I think this alludes to the fall of Nubia. But this was only after the annulment of the Baqt treaty in the 13th century.
So any mass migration from Sudan due to Arabs or Muslims would be from the 13th century down not earlier. And the Nubians were Christians not traditionalists undecided
So If the "oduduwa group" were from this region they would have brought Christianity to yorubaland.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:32pm On May 25
Thanks @macof

I wonder why lay persons are still caught up on this story whose foundation was originally set by Sultan Bello.

(1) The Yoruba account which comes from the same period as Bello’s work already refuted his story.

(2) Contemporary historical scholarship of present times has also debunked his story.

Why then does the delusion still persist?

I am dumbfounded.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by gregyboy(m): 8:35pm On May 25
Olu317:
grin grin grin angry Father of lies; The devil. Only Professor Akintoye is correct. Abookwritten in 2010. I cant stop laughing at your ignorance.


Lol, you even know her as a lier but when it comes to that of edo you, acknowledge her words as nothing but truth

Birds of same father

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Christistruth00: 9:31pm On May 25
TAO11:
(1) A Swedes oyinbo, in 1986, said (on the basis of a Fulani authorship from the early 1800s) that Yoruba people have their original ancestral roots in the region now called ‘Middle-East’.

(2) Yorubas, from time immemorial, said (with written documentation also from the early 1800s) that Yoruba people have their original ancestral roots within the region now called ‘Nigeria’.

Olu the scam artist clearly couldn’t deny that he is in-deed proudly a bastard.

Cc: Christistruth00

According to the Bible Ham the son of Noah was the Ancestor of Almost all black Africans and the Bible describes Egypt as the Land of Ham which means Egypt was a very Ancient Pre Christian Era and Pre Abraham Era dispersal point for all Black Africans

that would have been about 4000 years ago just after Noah’s Flood but interestingly the Igbo People of Ife referred to themselves as Ooyelaagbo which means the “Survivors of the Great Flood”
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 9:33pm On May 25
gregyboy:



Lol, you even kbow her as a lier but when it comes edo you, acknowledge her words as truth

Birds of same father

Lol
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 9:41pm On May 25
Christistruth00:
According to the Bible Ham the son of Noah was the Ancestor of Almost all black Africans and the Bible describes Egypt as the Land of Ham which means Egypt was a very Ancient Pre Christian Era and Pre Abraham Era dispersal point for all Black Africans
The ‘Bible’ does not necessarily contain accurate descriptions of historical [or scientific] reality.

And I don’t know of any professional historian (not ‘evangelist,’ not ‘blogger’) who holds anything contrary to this.

In fact, the example I will adduce to buttress this very point is the Noah Flood account as portrayed by the Judeo-Christian scriptures — It is erroneous.

Yes, you may find this uncomfortable because faith is something dear to people’s heart. But whether or not we’re uncomfortable, truth doesn’t really give a damn.

that would have been about 4000 years ago just after Noah’s Flood but interestingly the Igbo People of Ife referred to themselves as Ooyelaagbo which means the “Survivors of the Great Flood”
First of all, archaeological evidence dates the existence of human groups in the Middle Niger Valley (i.e. in the area now known as ‘Nigeria’) to c. 40,000 years ago.

This point is in response to your date of 4,000 years for a certain Ham from whom you said “Almost All black Africans” emerged as per your Bible.

Moreover, watch this space for details of the response I promised on the erroneous nature of the Judeo-Christian Flood account vis-a-vis the popular Ife flood account.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by EdoDefence: 9:42pm On May 25
davidnazee:


And in the 1980s your revisionist story of Oduduwa is ife indigene came out. Your damage control theory is a fail.

Nice goal grin
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 9:44pm On May 25
EdoDefence:
Nice goal grin
Scroll down a bit from there.

Or see link from where he has fled till date:

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/56#101658904

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by EdoDefence: 9:49pm On May 25
TAO11:
Scroll down a bit from there.

Or see link from where he has fled till date:

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/56#101658904

Have you noticed it's your word against ours?

No matter what you type here it won't change our story and as my King said it's not in our place to force the truth on you guys so you can continue your story, it ends in Yoruba land.

By the way a clean goal is hit no need to retry it

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 9:57pm On May 25
EdoDefence:
Have you noticed it's your word against ours?

No matter what you type here it won't change our story and as my King said it's not in our place to force the truth on you guys so you can continue your story, it ends in Yoruba land.

By the way a clean goal is hit no need to retry it
Well, except that that’s not the case. cheesy He was clearly wiser than you to have fled. grin

It is your early received history against you and your brother.

Your king’s 2016/1979 pronouncement is your authority on history. Fair enough.

Well, historians’ conclusions (based on the received traditional account) is my authority on history.

The jonser is clearly apparent at this point. Sorry.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by EdoDefence: 10:02pm On May 25
TAO11:
Well, except that that’s not the case. cheesy He was clearly wiser than you to have fled. grin

It is your early received history against you and your brother.

Your king’s 2016/1970 pronouncement is your authority on history. Fair enough.

Well, historians’ conclusions (based on the received traditional account) is my authority on history.

The jonser is clearly apparent at this point. Sorry.


Fled? Lol grin what a kid, you have taken the internet as an earth surface where you can run and as well settle.

Keep wailing, nairaland storage is big enough for it cheesy
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 10:04pm On May 25
EdoDefence:
Fled? Lol grin what a kid, you have taken the internet as an earth surface where you can run and as well settle.

Keep wailing, nairaland storage is big enough for it cheesy
Yes your brother fled. Click the link to find out. He fled because he is wiser than you. Or isn’t he? cheesy
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by 0balufonlll: 10:22pm On May 25
macof:




Interesting. I knew Idita was Iranje sure but that the term came centuries after Obatala is new information.

Ojogbon Macof, aku ijo meta.

It is actually spelt Idita. Early literatures on Ife history were seminal but also did a lot of damages requiring corrections.

Idita is a recent addition to the name. It signifies a history of the structure of the town. The event leading to the emergence of that name occurred about 100+ years ago. So quite recent. The name of the town is still Iranje but Idita is added just for commemoration.
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 1:19am On May 26
EdoDefence:


Have you noticed it's your word against ours?

No matter what you type here it won't change our story and as my King said it's not in our place to force the truth on you guys so you can continue your story, it ends in Yoruba land.

By the way a clean goal is hit no need to retry it

Nice one bro.. same thing i been telling him/her.. their new story doesn't leave yoruba land, an igbo person, hausa or any other non yoruba will always believe Oduduwa is either from mecca, fell from sky or an Edo prince..
Nobody is buying this new bullshit from 2010..

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 1:23am On May 26
TAO11:
Well, except that that’s not the case. cheesy He was clearly wiser than you to have fled. grin

It is your early received history against you and your brother.

Your king’s 2016/1970 pronouncement is your authority on history. Fair enough.

Well, historians’ conclusions (based on the received traditional account) is my authority on history.

The jonser is clearly apparent at this point. Sorry.


Shut up.. which historians? You are always good at quoting references and researchers.. quote one na..
"Father of lies" (Olu317, 2021)
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 1:25am On May 26
First of all, remove “Edo prince” from your list. It is a fraudulent Benin imagination that no historian ever entertained. It was tagged in professional historical circles as an interesting nonsense.

Secondly, the other alternatives in your listing have been debunked by the contemporary conclusions of historical scholarship.

In Yorubaland, we hang on to the conclusions of experts, not on to what Hausa, Ìgbò, or Yoruba lay persons think.

davidnazee:
Nice one bro.. same thing i been telling him/her.. their new story doesn't leave yoruba land, an igbo person, hausa or any other non yoruba will always believe Oduduwa is either from mecca, fell from sky or an Edo prince..
Nobody is buying this new bullshit from 2010.
2010?? Really?? grin I thought your choice earlier was 1980s.

Anyways, link below is where should be. Oya, alele cheesy

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/56#101658904
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 1:26am On May 26
davidnazee:

Shut up.. which historians? You are always good at quoting references and researchers.. quote one na..
"Father of lies" (Olu317, 2021)
Olu317 (the dullard) is your authority?? cheesy Interesting.

‘The enemy of my enemy is my authority’. grin
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 1:27am On May 26
TAO11:
2010?? Really?? grin I thought your choice earlier was 1980s.

Anyways, link below is where should be. Oya, alele cheesy

Yea i thought it was 1980s till u corrected me that your revisionist lies were told in 2010..
Shame...
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 1:27am On May 26
davidnazee:
Yea i thought it was 1980s till u corrected me that your revisionist lies were told in 2010..
Shame...
Where did I ‘correct’ you? cheesy When will I stop flogging you? grin

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/56#101658904

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 1:28am On May 26
TAO11:
Olu317 (the dullard) is your authority?? cheesy interesting.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. grin


Only a yoruba dullard knows a yoruba liar..
Tao11 is "father of lies " (olu317, 2021)
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 1:29am On May 26
TAO11:
Where did I correct you? cheesy When will I stop flogging you? grin

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/56#101658904

Oh you forgot where u told the yoruba dullard Olu317 that akintoye first told the lie in 2010.. lol
Shame on u..

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 1:52am On May 26
davidnazee:
Only a yoruba dullard knows a yoruba liar...
Tao11 is "father of lies" (olu317, 2021)
You mean that your Bini brother below is a Yoruba dullard.

It’s interesting how you not only confirmed that he is a dullard, you also noted that Binis have connection to the superior Yoruba group.

Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:04am On May 26
davidnazee:

Oh you forgot where u told the yoruba dullard Olu317 that akintoye first told the lie in 2010.. lol
Shame on u..
You mean the quoted statement in your attachment is equivalent to S. A. Akintoye being the first to reach that conclusion?? Wow! shocked cheesy

Edo State Government and the Federal Government of Nigeria must, as a matter of urgency, invest heavily in basic English education in order to save the future of the upcoming generation of Edos.

The present generations of Edos are already a waste of sperm. grin
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 2:04am On May 26
TAO11:
You mean that your Bini brother below is a Yoruba dullard.

It’s interesting how you not only confirmed that he is a dullard, you also noted that Binis have connection to the superior Yoruba group.

Olu317 have deflated you so much that you dont make sense anymore.. soon u will change your name to Tao14..
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by davidnazee: 2:06am On May 26
TAO11:
You mean the statement in the attached screenshot is equivalent to Akintoye being the first to make the statement ?? shocked cheesy

Edo State Government and the Federal Government of Nigeria must, as a matter of urgency, invest heavily in basic English education in order to save the future of the upcoming generation of Edos. The present is clearly a waste of sperm.



do all within their powers to invest heavily

Hahaha father of lies.. poor u.
Ok show me someone else or a researcher that made that statement before Akintoye..
Olu317 really damaged u sha.. cain don nack abel lol
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 2:13am On May 26
davidnazee:
Olu317 have deflated you so much that you dont make sense anymore.. soon u will change your name to Tao14..
Did you not just admit that Olu317 is a dullard? How is a dullard supposed to do anything effectively or know anything at all? cheesy

Oh I used to make sense?? Tell me more. cheesy But wait oo, you never admitted, at any point in the past, that I make sense.

In other words, you insisted otherwise even those times when I make sense to you. Hence you’ve been a liar since many months ago (and earlier still).

Why should I now think that you’ve changed from the envious liar that you are then? Convince me. grin

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