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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Daum: 11:31am On Apr 17
Tareq1105:
How come the present Oba admitted that Oranmiyan was the first Oba but for a short period before handing over to Eweka his son?

So who should we believe?



I never disputed Oromiyan as the first Oba. Because that was a part of our history we really didn't take note of even though it has been there.

Note every oba of Benin is crowned at a palace called Usama. Usama palace is different from the palace at Ogbe which you call Oba Palace.

According to tradition, the Edion crowned Oromiyan at the Usama Palace but Oromiyan never ruled as the stool of authority was with ogiamen. So Oromiyan got angry and he left Benin as he could not rule.
So the Oba is right if you count by coronation, Oromiyan was actually crowned and it's a fact.

This same Oromiyan is not considered the first Alafin of Oyo by some Yoruba scholars because he left the kingdom he founded and went back to ife.

So if you look at all I have said, I never disputed the coronation of Oromiyan. I never talked about it

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by ThatFairGuy1: 11:37am On Apr 17
ogbonti:




what do you know about the Warri Kingdom?

The name "OGIAME" that every Olu of Warri is called is not a yoruba name- It is a Bini name - do you know that?
And you've forgotten Yorubas own bini cheesy

The name itself is transformation from "Ile Ibinu" to "ubini" to "bini" of today.

Yoruba owns bini

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by ThatFairGuy1: 11:37am On Apr 17
zeusdgrt:

Abeg stop typing nonsense,benin is not connected to yoruba.We have our history unlike the one u claimed one person came down from heaven, kindly ask ur oni why he visited the benin kingdom after and before coronation.We don't drag but we know the truth.
check above. Yorubas own bini

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Simbrixton(m): 11:39am On Apr 17
peepydelano:
Yoruba's is it by force to be associated with the Itsekiri's? The Itsekiri's have constantly rejected you people yet you won't give them breathing space.Fulani's will soon come claim to be part of Olu of Warrior title(we are conquerors lol) laws should be strictly followed and as such I think Ayiri Emami is on point
abeg wen itsekiri reject yoruba i wan laugh small dese afternoon

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by nisai: 11:41am On Apr 17
Simbrixton:
i mentioned his mum being yoruba because most of his boys are from okitipupa the reason u are speaking a lot of ignorance with confidence is because you dont know
Are you an Itshekiri?
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 11:41am On Apr 17
Very ignorant people fill up this thread, in any society the ruling class are totally different from their subjects.
Because your royalties have affinities with another ethnic stock doesn't mean you lots are same stock.
Prince Philip that just died isn't of the same stock of the English people, he is Greek in origin but of royalty.
The kings and Queens of Europe are almost of the same bloodline than the people they rule over.
If the royal households of Itsekiri have established bonds with the Benin's from time immemorial or are Benin in origin that doesn't mean the entire Itsekiris are of Benin stock
The ruling house of Onitsha may trace ancestry to Benin or Igala, it doesn't mean they never met people in Onitsha at their arrival in Onitsha
Fact is, we should stop tracing our origin from the origin of the ruling families.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by BluDesk: 11:47am On Apr 17
KingOKON:
Very ignorant people fill up this thread, in any society the ruling class are totally different from their subjects.
Because your royalties have affinities with another ethnic stock doesn't mean you lots are same stock.
Prince Philip that just died isn't of the same stock of the English people, he is Greek in origin but of royalty.
The kings and Queens of Europe are almost of the same bloodline than the people they rule over.
If the royal households of Itsekiri have established bonds with the Benin's from time immemorial or are Benin in origin that doesn't mean the entire Itsekiris are of Benin stock
The ruling house of Onitsha may trace ancestry to Benin or Igala, it doesn't mean they never met people in Onitsha at their arrival in Onitsha
Fact is, we should stop tracing our origin from the origin of the ruling families.



Succinct, however the modern youth has become too political to use rationale as a moral compass
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Simbrixton(m): 11:53am On Apr 17
KingOKON:
Very ignorant people fill up this thread, in any society the ruling class are totally different from their subjects.
Because your royalties have affinities with another ethnic stock doesn't mean you lots are same stock.
Prince Philip that just died isn't of the same stock of the English people, he is Greek in origin but of royalty.
The kings and Queens of Europe are almost of the same bloodline than the people they rule over.
If the royal households of Itsekiri have established bonds with the Benin's from time immemorial or are Benin in origin that doesn't mean the entire Itsekiris are of Benin stock
The ruling house of Onitsha may trace ancestry to Benin or Igala, it doesn't mean they never met people in Onitsha at their arrival in Onitsha
Fact is, we should stop tracing our origin from the origin of the ruling families.
u sure u followed the commentary well or u just want to talk?
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 11:54am On Apr 17
nisai:
Are you an Itshekiri?
.


Who is an Itshekiri?
One with Itshekiri Father and Mother
Or Itshekiri Father and Benin Mother
Or Itshekiri father and Yoruba mother

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Owologbo(m): 11:54am On Apr 17
scholes0:


All na semantics and unnecessary ping pong.

If you like say Yorubas are Itsekiri, if you like say Itsekiris are Yoruba, nothing spoil. we own ourselves. They are welcome on OUR LAND for FREE They can claim all 50 million of us... we dey for them!
Face front. you never claim Ilaje in Ondo that's in your domain, na Delta State you want salaye go.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 11:59am On Apr 17
Fictional characters: oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso...

Reality: Benin was an empire whose capital was known as Benin city. And Ife was a small village with a shrine in it, the Oni of IFA was the chief priest of the alafin.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by enomakos(m): 11:59am On Apr 17
Gbajure:


Even Bini is a Yoruba name. Same with Ọmọ no Ọba. Informed people know that Binis and Edos though used synonymously means different things.
Edos are pure race of the Igodomigodo or Ogiso people.
Binis are the Edos with Yoruba bloods, that is descendants of Oranmiyan a pure Yoruba Prince then and later an Ooni of Ife

Why is it that only Binis can become Ọba (another Yoruba word) of Benin if Yorubas are not the lord of the land?
what is this one saying?
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by sangresan(m): 11:59am On Apr 17
ogbonti:



I read a piece recently which is floating online and I tend to agree with it

Yorubas are now claiming Itsekiris is part of the Yoruba nation just because they want Itsekiris oil in case Nigeria splits come 2023 grin

My question for yorubas claiming Itsekiri is

"WHERE WERE THE YORUBAS WHEN IJAWS AND URHOBOS WERE KILLING ITSEKIRIS BETWEEN 1993 to 1997?"



OPC never condemned the killings - Afenifere was quiet, the Ooni turned Itsekiri historian today was quiet then - na now day break ? abegi grin


I actually see this crisis involving the coronation of the Olu of Warri as a family affair that should not be allowed to degenerate further. But, you're clearly wrong by saying that the Yoruba weren't involved in the Ijaw vs Itsekiri War. In fact, it got to a point that the Ijaw militants issued a threat to attack Yorubas in Warri for aiding the Itsekiri...I remember that the OPC and Afenifere countered the declaration by saying that Itsekiris and Yorubas were brothers and nobody could send Yorubas away from Warri.

So, your claim is wrong.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 12:00pm On Apr 17
ThatFairGuy1:
And you've forgotten Yorubas own bini cheesy

The name itself is transformation from "Ile Ibinu" to "ubini" to "bini" of today.

Yoruba owns bini
.
There are many location in Lagos like idimagbo, oyingbo that have Benin names too

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 12:00pm On Apr 17
The Ascension to the throne of Olu is governed by laws, Tsola's Ascension goes against those laws. It is that simple. A clear case for the courts or even the state government.
Only the Olu can suspend the Ologbotsere, so people "suspending" him without any authority to do such are fools.
The continued agression from the Oni of IFA who falsely claims to be a peace maker will soon be answered. Itsikeri, Ife is trying to appropriate your throne.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by shigishege: 12:01pm On Apr 17
zeusdgrt:

Abeg stop typing nonsense,benin is not connected to yoruba.We have our history unlike the one u claimed one person came down from heaven, kindly ask ur oni why he visited the benin kingdom after and before coronation.We don't drag but we know the truth.
it's like u smoke ganja, which time ooni visit bini before or after coronation?? even when he got married to a bini woman he did not go there. you guys just like to post nonsense.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 12:02pm On Apr 17
Owologbo:

The yorubas are our children.
There's no land to contain us all, so we decided to join hand and resources to send them to the west because they are the least trusted group of people.



Lolzz
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 12:03pm On Apr 17
is confirmed that what is happening in Warri is an attempted coup sponsored by the oni of IFA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by nisai: 12:03pm On Apr 17
KingOKON:
.


Who is an Itshekiri?
One with Itshekiri Father and Mother
Or Itshekiri Father and Benin Mother
Or Itshekiri father and Yoruba mother

Itshekiri is a Yoruba subgroup. Whether you have Benin, Igala, Ebira, chinese, Korean or even Masai mother doesn't matter, Nigeria practise patriachy, so you belong to your father's identity by default.

Ishekiris are Yoruba and they have never denied that.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 12:05pm On Apr 17
Simbrixton:
u sure u followed the commentary well or u just want to talk?
.

I have followed everything well, all the arguments here are Ego tripping, political inclined non is well detailed researched people based

Everything is seen from the top or the leaders perspective
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Simbrixton(m): 12:05pm On Apr 17
Truthshots2:
is confirmed that what is happening in Warri is an attempted coup sponsored by the oni of IFA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg
ile ibinu guy spotted

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 12:05pm On Apr 17
nisai:
Itshekiri is a Yoruba subgroup. Whether you have Benin, Igala, Ebira, chinese, Korean or even Masai mother doesn't matter, Nigeria practise patriachy, so you belong to your father's identity by default.

Ishekiris are Yoruba and they have never denied that.
The only people whom are truly Yoruba are the people of oyo Kingdom.
Nobody else is actually Yoruba.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by sangresan(m): 12:09pm On Apr 17
Itsekiri people have never denied their relationship with the Yoruba...

Bini, Yoruba, and Itsekiri are closely related...Including Igala...

But colonial experience and politics have created schisms between them as well.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by nisai: 12:11pm On Apr 17
Truthshots2:

The only people whom are truly Yoruba are the people of oyo Kingdom.
Nobody else is actually Yoruba.
You this Benin boy again! I go call your lecturer, Tao11 for you.

Tao12. Don't run or delete your moniker when she arrives oooo grin

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by emmadothings(m): 12:11pm On Apr 17
ogbonti:




what do you know about the Warri Kingdom?

The name "OGIAME" that every Olu of Warri is called is not a yoruba name- It is a Bini name - do you know that?
My brother nobody said Ogiame is a Yoruba name, what he was trying to say is that the edict is morally and logically wrong.. Imagine the son of a King cannot be an heir to the throne because his mother the queen is a Yoruba woman.
Its just like saying after the death of my father his wealth will be inherited by my uncles, aunties and cousins because my mother is from another tribe.
Wise up �
Iwere (Warri) and the oracle has spoken.
No going back

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 12:11pm On Apr 17
nisai:
Itshekiri is a Yoruba subgroup. Whether you have Benin, Igala, Ebira, chinese, Korean or even Masai mother doesn't matter, Nigeria practise patriachy, so you belong to your father's identity by default.

Ishekiris are Yoruba and they have never denied that.
.

Which may be true but then the royal households may claim otherwise and they have their followers too.
The basics here is what is the established form of kingship and are they willing to change the old order

* There are places in Nigeria where affinity is to the mother side, Ogoni is one*
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 12:12pm On Apr 17
sangresan:
Itsekiri people have never denied their relationship with the Yoruba...

Bini, Yoruba, and Itsekiri are closely related...Including Igala...

But colonialism and politics have created schisms between them as well.

Actually this is not true.
There is no precolonial document which links Itsikeri to "Yoruba" and there is no precolonial document which links Benin to Ife.
Actually, these perceptions you have are due to colonisation since they didn't exist before colonisation.
Itsikeri has always been seen as a part of Benin empire and that is why the Olu of Warri took the Portuguese to his father, the Oba of Benin.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Simbrixton(m): 12:13pm On Apr 17
KingOKON:
.

Which may be true but then the royal households may claim otherwise and they have their followers too.
The basics here is what is the established form of kingship and are they willing to change the old order

* There are places in Nigeria where affinity is to the mother side, Ogoni is one*
i was waiting to see what side you would lean to
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Nobody: 12:14pm On Apr 17
is confirmed that what is happening in Warri is an attempted coup sponsored by the oni of IFA.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llporKrPsbU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by sangresan(m): 12:16pm On Apr 17
Truthshots2:


Actually this is not true.
There is no precolonial document which links Itsikeri to "Yoruba" and there is no precolonial document which links Benin to Ife.
Actually, these perceptions you have are due to colonisation.
Itsikeri has always been seen as a part of Benin empire and that is why the Olu of Warri took the Portuguese to his father, the Oba of Benin.


Who is your history teacher?

I will like to know.

If you want to learn more about precolonial Nigerian history, join this Facebook group: Nigeria Nostalgia Project.

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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Simbrixton(m): 12:17pm On Apr 17
KingOKON:
.

I have followed everything well, all the arguments here are Ego tripping, political inclined non is well detailed researched people based

Everything is seen from the top or the leaders perspective
the 1979 edict has nothing to do with bini i can tell you authoritatively 98 percent itsekiris want Tsola to be the next Olu

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