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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 6:16pm On May 10
enilove:


What made you think I have doubt in the Trinity doctrine ?

There is a Divine security and satanic security. The one you have is what ? Do you know it? I doubt it.

The reason I hate Muhammad and Allah is simply because they are not from God Almighty. God did not send them anything.
And anyone who believes in Islam will not make heaven.

That is why.


Allah is truthful:

[3:118] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا لَا تَتَّخِذُوۡا بِطَانَۃً مِّنۡ دُوۡنِکُمۡ لَا یَاۡلُوۡنَکُمۡ خَبَالًا ؕ وَدُّوۡا مَا عَنِتُّمۡ ۚ قَدۡ بَدَتِ الۡبَغۡضَآءُ مِنۡ اَفۡوَاہِہِمۡ ۚۖ وَ مَا تُخۡفِیۡ صُدُوۡرُہُمۡ اَکۡبَرُ ؕ قَدۡ بَیَّنَّا لَکُمُ الۡاٰیٰتِ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ تَعۡقِلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۸﴾

O believers! Do not confide in those who are not from amongst you. They will never miss (any) chance to cause you mischief. They wish you severe torture. As for their malice, that has become evident from their utterances, and (the hostility) that they have concealed in their hearts is (even) greater. We have made the signs manifest to you if you would use your intellect.

[3:119] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"ہٰۤاَنۡتُمۡ اُولَآءِ تُحِبُّوۡنَہُمۡ وَ لَا یُحِبُّوۡنَکُمۡ وَ تُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِالۡکِتٰبِ کُلِّہٖ ۚ وَ اِذَا لَقُوۡکُمۡ قَالُوۡۤا اٰمَنَّا ۚ٭ۖ وَ اِذَا خَلَوۡا عَضُّوۡا عَلَیۡکُمُ الۡاَنَامِلَ مِنَ الۡغَیۡظِ ؕ قُلۡ مُوۡتُوۡا بِغَیۡظِکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ عَلِیۡمٌۢ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُوۡرِ ﴿۱۱۹﴾

Beware! You are the ones who love them, but they do not (even) like you, although you believe in all the Books. When they meet you, they say: ‘We have accepted faith,’ but when alone, they bite their fingers in rage against you. Say: ‘Perish in your pent-up rage.’ Certainly, Allah knows well the secrets of hearts.

Allah knows best.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 6:24pm On May 10
enilove:


What made you think I have doubt in the Trinity doctrine ?

It is because you have doubts in the Trinity you worship that make you find faults in other religion to make you feel secured.

Dey there dey give yourself false feeling of salvation.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 6:29pm On May 10
enilove:


Take a look at this :

Hadith
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

"Whenever the Prophet (ﷺ) passed by (my mother Um-Sulaim) he used to enter her and greet her. Anas further said: Once the Prophet (ﷺ) way a bridegroom during his marriage with Zainab, Um Sulaim said to me, "Let us give a gift to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ." I said to her, "Do it." So she prepared Haisa (a sweet dish) made from dates, butter and dried yoghurt and she sent it with me to him. I took it to him and he said, "Put it down," and ordered me to call some men whom he named, and to invite whomever I would meet. I did what he ordered me to do, and when I returned, I found the house crowded with people and saw the Prophet (ﷺ) keeping his hand over the Haisa and saying over it whatever Allah wished (him to say). Then he called the men in batches of ten to eat of it, and he said to them, "Mention the Name of Allah, and each man should eat of the dish the nearest to him." When all of them had finished their meals, some of them left and a few remained there talking, over which I felt unhappy. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) went out towards the dwelling places (of his wives) and I too, went out after him and told him that those people had left. Then he returned and entered his dwelling place and let the curtains fall while I was in (his) dwelling place, and he was reciting the Verses:-- 'O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's house until leave is given you for a meal, (and then) not (as early as) to what for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meals, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily such (behavior) annoys the Prophet; and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the Truth.' (33-53) Abu Uthman said: Anas said, "I served the Prophet for ten years."
Sahih al-Bukhari 5163
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 98
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 92  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is this a true revelation from God ?


No. It is from Allah, the Lord of the Universe!
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 7:24pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:


It is because you have doubts in the Trinity you worship that make you find faults in other religion to make you feel secured.

Dey there dey give yourself false feeling of salvation.


This your reasoning has proved your prophet is a false prophet was unsecured about Islam.
That was how he started his Islam.

There are countless hate speach In your Quran and hadiths against Christians and the Jews which , according to your reasoning , showed the insecurity in Muhammad and Allah.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

Hadith
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih Muslim 2167 a
In-book : Book 39, Hadith 16
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 26, Hadith 5389  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

You cannot sow hatred and reap love.
You can sow evil and reap righteousness.
You can't sow violence and expect to reap peace.

Whatever a man sows he shall reap.

Insecurities started with your religion.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 7:42pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:


No. It is from Allah, the Lord of the Universe!


Why did you say 'no' when I asked whether surah 33:53 was from God.

You are correct because Allah is not God but lord. And we know there are many demonic beings called lords who are not true God

Allah is an idol worshipped by the ancestors of Muhammad. He is not God your Creator.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:34pm On May 10
enilove:


This your reasoning has proved your prophet is a false prophet was unsecured about Islam.
That was how he started his Islam.

There are countless hate speach In your Quran and hadiths against Christians and the Jews which , according to your reasoning , showed the insecurity in Muhammad and Allah.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

Hadith
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih Muslim 2167 a
In-book : Book 39, Hadith 16
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 26, Hadith 5389  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

So...?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:43pm On May 10
enilove:


You cannot sow hatred and reap love.
You can sow evil and reap righteousness.
You can't sow violence and expect to reap peace.

Whatever a man sows he shall reap.
I guess you are cancelling out your lie.
You cannot reap love of me when you sow hatred for what I hold dear.

You can't fool me with hate love.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:46pm On May 10
enilove:


Why did you say 'no' when I asked whether surah 33:53 was from God.

You are correct because Allah is not God but lord. And we know there are many demonic beings called lords who are not true God

Allah is an idol worshipped by the ancestors of Muhammad. He is not God your Creator.

Toh!
Can i go now?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 9:55pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:

I guess you are cancelling out your lie.
You cannot reap love of me when you sow hatred for what I hold dear.

You can't fool me with hate love.

I don't hate you because you are not Muhammad or Allah. Like I said they are the evil ones I hate.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 9:56pm On May 10
mhmsadyq:


Toh!
Can i go now?

With all pleasures .
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 10:46pm On May 10
enilove:


Insecurities started with your religion.

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by ybalogs(m): 4:45am On May 11
sagenaija:

You Moslems claim that the Koran is Allah's words.
In other words, Allah is the one speaking in it.

Notice that nothing here says that Allah said something to the effect like ' O Moslems praise me like this'. He is the one making the direct statements.

If so, who is Allah praising here?
Who is he invoking?
And yet among men there are such as dispute about Allah, without knowledge, and follow every evil one obstinate in rebellion!
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 5:51am On May 11
enilove:


I don't hate you because you are not Muhammad or Allah. Like I said they are the evil ones I hate.

Lie!
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 7:53am On May 11
ybalogs:
And yet among men there are such as dispute about Allah, without knowledge, and follow every evil one obstinate in rebellion!
Yet there are some among men who do not know who Allah is yet claim to follow him without knowledge.

They follow every evil device propounded by Allah. They are obstinate in their religion - a blind following of Allah who they do not understand.

And they are rebellious against the truth and the only true God. Their end is destruction.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 8:05am On May 11
haekymbahd:

Mathew 6
9 Pray, therefore, like this: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.

10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.

13 And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

Kindly tell us who Jesus was praying to that he should forgive his debt...
Jesus was not praying there. His disciples asked him to teach them to pray. He then told them that when they pray they should go about it like was given there.

You ought to have seen how he started: He said "Pray, therefore, like this ......" or "Pray then in this way ......"

He had shown them how not to pray like the hypocrites and then presented this model prayer to them.

So, it is not Jesus praying here but giving a teaching on prayer.

You're wrong in saying that it was Jesus praying here.
Those who gave you 'Like' don't seem to know better.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 10:14am On May 11
mhmsadyq:


Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves


The above killings was as a result of the evil the midianites committed against the Israelites when they ( Israelites ) came out of the land of Egypt :
Numbers 22:4-7 KJV
And Moab said unto the elders of Midian, Now shall this company lick up all that are round about us, as the ox licketh up the grass of the field. And Balak the son of Zippor was king of the Moabites at that time.
[5] He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which is by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me:
[6] Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they are too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, that we may smite them, and that I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest is blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed.
[7] And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak.

As a result of this divination , the Israelites sinned against God by worshiping the idols of the moabites. This brought death upon the Israelites in Thousands.

Numbers 25:1-3 KJV
And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. [2] And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. [3] And Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel.

To retaliate or revenge against evil ones is not evil . Evil is when someone does you no evil and you are devising evil against him or her.

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by haekymbahd(m): 5:01pm On May 11
sagenaija:

Jesus was not praying there. His disciples asked him to teach them to pray. He then told them that when they pray they should go about it like was given there.

You ought to have seen how he started: He said "Pray, therefore, like this ......" or "Pray then in this way ......"

He had shown them how not to pray like the hypocrites and then presented this model prayer to them.

So, it is not Jesus praying here but giving a teaching on prayer.

You're wrong in saying that it was Jesus praying here.
Those who gave you 'Like' don't seem to know better.
Good, Jesus was teaching them to pray the same way he prays

Mathew 26
36 Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and He told His disciples, Sit down here while I go over yonder and pray.

39 And going a little farther, He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying, My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire.


Who is Jesus praying to?

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 5:17pm On May 11
haekymbahd:
Good, Jesus was teaching them to pray the same way he prays

Mathew 26
36 Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and He told His disciples, Sit down here while I go over yonder and pray.

39 And going a little farther, He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying, My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire.


Who is Jesus praying to?

Jesus was praying to God his Father .

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 6:17pm On May 11
enilove:


The above killings was as a result of the evil the midianites committed against the Israelites when they ( Israelites ) came out of the land of Egypt :
Numbers 22:4-7 KJV
And Moab said unto the elders of Midian, Now shall this company lick up all that are round about us, as the ox licketh up the grass of the field. And Balak the son of Zippor was king of the Moabites at that time.
[5] He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which is by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me:
[6] Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they are too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, that we may smite them, and that I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest is blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed.
[7] And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak.

As a result of this divination , the Israelites sinned against God by worshiping the idols of the moabites. This brought death upon the Israelites in Thousands.

Numbers 25:1-3 KJV
And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. [2] And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. [3] And Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel.

To retaliate or revenge against evil ones is not evil . Evil is when someone does you no evil and you are devising evil against him or her.



What evil did they do?

Why didn't God do the killings himself?

See this again:

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. [/b]26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 [b]So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.


shocked

I guess you know what God was doing...
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 6:45pm On May 11
mhmsadyq:


What evil did they do?

Why didn't God do the killings himself?

See this again:

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. [/b]26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 [b]So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

shocked
I guess you know what God was doing...

Tell me which country that did not fight over land possessions in the world .

This was about possession of the land God promised Abraham .
Also , Allah is guilty of this as well because he claimed he ordered them to fight and take the land :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 21)

And one of the reasons God gave the land to the Israelites was because the inhabitants were committing abominable things like idolatry , sorcery etc

Genesis 12:5 KJV
And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

Genesis 15:18 KJV
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 KJV
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, [11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. [12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. [13] Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.

After the Israelites possessed the land they did not engage in any war to acquire more land or for religious conquest other than for self defense.
Unlike Islam whose killings and wars are open ended .

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by haekymbahd(m): 7:36pm On May 11
enilove:


Jesus was praying to God his Father .
Yeah he prayed to his father and your Father his God and your God

John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.


Is Jesus not God anymore how is a God praying to another God?

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 8:10pm On May 11
haekymbahd:
Yeah he prayed to his father and your Father his God and your God

John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.


Is Jesus not God anymore how is a God praying to another God?

Jesus is God because his Father is a God .A lion wiill give birth to a lion .
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by haekymbahd(m): 8:35pm On May 11
enilove:


Jesus is God because his Father is a God .A lion wiill give birth to a lion .
My father and your father, My God and your God

Since God is your Father it means you as a believer is also God right because a lion gave birth to you it means you are also a lion?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 8:50pm On May 11
haekymbahd:
My father and your father, My God and your God

Since God is your Father it means you as a believer is also God right ?

Yes , we are gods because God is our Father :

Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

The direct Father Son relationship only exists between God the Father and Jesus Christ .

John 1:18-19 KJV
No man hath seen God at any time; the ONLY begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. [19] And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 9:33pm On May 11
haekymbahd:
Yeah he prayed to his father and your Father his God and your God
John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.
Is Jesus not God anymore how is a God praying to another God?

We Christian believe God is Tri-Personal, meaning that God eternally exists as united three eternally distinct, yet inseparable, Persons having the same essence.

Therefore, Jesus, as a distinct person in the Godhead can pray to the Father and still be God himself.

While on earth IN HIS HUMANITY Jesus voluntarily restricted the independent use of his deity, according to the Scripture. So, for him to pray to the Father was perfectly in order. What Jesus did is therefore consistent with what the Bible teaches.

It is in the Koran where you guys actually have problems where Allah prays and you don't know to whom he prays. And in a bid to explain it you go into twists and turns which further entangles you guys. In the end you run away and claim that 'Allah knows best'.

But perhaps you can do better at answering the question: So, to whom does Allah pray?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by haekymbahd(m): 10:11pm On May 11
enilove:


Yes , we are gods because God is our Father :

Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
gods is different from God.

Psalm 82:6
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.(A)

7But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes.


The issue with Christianity is you guys misinterpreted bible, you definitely know that God cannot die like men there is only one God believers are only representative of God on earth...

Exodus 7
1 THE LORD said to Moses, Behold, I make you as God to Pharaoh [to declare My will and purpose to him]; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.


Why is moses not part of the trinity since he is God?




enilove:


The direct Father Son relationship only exists between God the Father and Jesus Christ .

John 1:18-19 KJV
No man hath seen God at any time; the ONLY begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. [19] And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
kindly post a verse where The father himself or Jesus use the word only Begotten son.. I don't want to hear Paul, Mathew, luke, John said show the fathers himself or Jesus saying I am the only begotten son of God... Because God has a lot of son (Angels, believers, isreal, Jesus)

Note Beloved and Begotten does not have the same meaning?

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Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 10:26pm On May 11
enilove:


Tell me which country that did not fight over land possessions in the world .

This was about possession of the land God promised Abraham .
Also , Allah is guilty of this as well because he claimed he ordered them to fight and take the land :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 21)

And one of the reasons God gave the land to the Israelites was because the inhabitants were committing abominable things like idolatry , sorcery etc

Genesis 12:5 KJV
And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

Genesis 15:18 KJV
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 KJV
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, [11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. [12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. [13] Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.

After the Israelites possessed the land they did not engage in any war to acquire more land or for religious conquest other than for self defense.
Unlike Islam whose killings and wars are open ended .


I dey shake my head for your matter!

I guess your God was still in his mother's womb when the wrong people possessed the land.

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did.
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by haekymbahd(m): 10:29pm On May 11
sagenaija:


We Christian believe God is Tri-Personal, meaning that God eternally exists as united three eternally distinct, yet inseparable, Persons having the same essence.
I even know if this is English because I dont understand this language at all...

Three eternally distinct, yet inseperable (one was in heaven while the other came to earth to die for sin)

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

I think this is clear enough (one Lord) not 3 in 1 lord

sagenaija:

Therefore, Jesus, as a distinct person in the Godhead can pray to the Father and still be God himself.

Mark 12
32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered intelligently (discreetly and [n]having his wits about him), He said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And after that no one ventured or dared to ask Him any further question.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 10:46pm On May 11
haekymbahd:
I even know if this is English because I dont understand this language at all...

Three eternally distinct, yet inseperable (one was in heaven while the other came to earth to die for sin)

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

I think this is clear enough (one Lord) not 3 in 1 lord

Mark 12
32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

34 And when Jesus saw that he answered intelligently (discreetly and [n]having his wits about him), He said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And after that no one ventured or dared to ask Him any further question.
First, the "Hear, O Israel.." passage is derived from Deuteronomy. There, as in here, it talks about God being unique and the unity in the Godhead. It is not about anything quantitative.

Again to my question which you have conveniently ignored: to whom does Allah pray?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 10:54pm On May 11
sagenaija:

First, the "Hear, O Israel.." passage is derived from Deuteronomy. There, as in here, it talks about God being unique and the unity in the Godhead. It is not about anything quantitative.

Again to my question which you have conveniently ignored: to whom does Allah pray?

Allah prays to you!

Are you good now?
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 11:22pm On May 11
mhmsadyq:


I dey shake my head for your matter!

I guess your God was still in his mother's womb when the wrong people possessed the land.

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did.
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)


You are spiritually blind.

I said you are spiritually blind because you fail to desist from this very point for the fact that your god claimed he ordered the Israelites to do the killings you are accusing them of.

God is against evil doers . Why will your God ask you to be against the righteous people ?

Muhammad just repackaged the 360 idols around and inside the kabah to ONE IDOL called Allah .
That was what made him to worship the 3 daughters of Allah :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

أَفَرَءَيْتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالْعُزّٰى
"So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?"
وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرٰىٓ
"And Manat, the third - the other one?"
(QS. An-Najm 53: Verse 19- 20)

After worshiping them with his followers he then said it was the devil that mislead him :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ  ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)

My point is this , Allah is the devil who is trying to discredit all the good works of God by setting Muhammad up as a prophet to mislead you people.

Ignorantly you are all bowing down to the black stone inside the wall of the kabah . That is idolatry.

How about the Safah and mawa ? Was that not part of the rituals of the idolaters as well ?

It was this very reason God had to destroyed the Midianites to prevent them from hindering billions of people from knowing the true God.
Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 11:38pm On May 11
enilove:


You are spiritually blind.

I said you are spiritually blind because you fail to desist from this very point for the fact that your god claimed he ordered the Israelites to do the killings you are accusing them of.

God is against evil doers . Why will your God ask you to be against the righteous people ?

Muhammad just repackaged the 360 idols around and inside the kabah to ONE IDOL called Allah .
That was what made him to worship the 3 daughters of Allah :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

أَفَرَءَيْتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالْعُزّٰى
"So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?"
وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرٰىٓ
"And Manat, the third - the other one?"
(QS. An-Najm 53: Verse 19- 20)

After worshiping them with his followers he then said it was the devil that mislead him :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ  ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)

My point is this , Allah is the devil who is trying to discredit all the good works of God by setting Muhammad up as a prophet to mislead you people.

Ignorantly you are all bowing down to the black stone inside the wall of the kabah . That is idolatry.

How about the Safah and mawa ? Was that not part of the rituals of the idolaters as well ?

It was this very reason God had to destroyed the Midianites to prevent them from hindering billions of people from knowing the true God.



OK. I hear you.

My questions again:

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did?
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

Thank you.

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