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|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 12:23am On May 12, 2021|
I pity you . Are you Muslims the one to tell us the interpretation of the Bible when your prophet was commanded by your god to go and take lessons from the Christians ?
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94)
The way you muslims falsify your Quran by adding and deducting is what you are trying to do to the Bible .
Psalm 82:6 says :
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. As simple as that . Why adding ( Since you judge on my behalf as my representatives ) ?
God is a title and not a name. The same goes with the word 'Lord' . These are titles only like kings , father , mother etc
Moses was given that title by God not because he was a divine being but because God made the Egyptians to fear him.
Idols are gods if you worship them :
Exodus 20:23 KJV
Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
Like the Yorubas , they have god of iron , god of thunder etc.
It does not mean they are Creators of heavens , earth and everything.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 KJV
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
We are created in the image of God as children of the most high.
Part of this attributes are evident in the thing we human beings created and discovered .
Eg Electricity , cars , planes , medicines , telephones etc.
As per your request where Jesus and the Father said ''only begotten. Son ''.
THIS IS JESUS SPEAKING.
John 3:16-18 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jesus Christ was the one who was carrying out the instructions of God during the creation of the earth and the heavens.
He was the one God was addressing when God said '
Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  The same was in the beginning with God.  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 12:49am On May 12, 2021|
The answers are in the quoted post above.
You are just calling you prophet a liar by saying Jesus was the one who carried out the killings because you Quran says it was Allah who did it :
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
يٰقَوْمِ ادْخُلُوا الْأَرْضَ الْمُقَدَّسَةَ الَّتِى كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا عَلٰىٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنْقَلِبُوا خٰسِرِينَ
"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""
قَالُوا يٰمُوسٰىٓ إِنَّ فِيهَا قَوْمًا جَبَّارِينَ وَإِنَّا لَنْ نَّدْخُلَهَا حَتّٰى يَخْرُجُوا مِنْهَا فَإِنْ يَخْرُجُوا مِنْهَا فَإِنَّا دٰخِلُونَ
"They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter.""
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse21- 22)
This was a genocide order from Allah .
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 6:34am On May 12, 2021|
Why did the God Makers- the council of Nicea - excluded Mary the mother of your God from Godship?
May be genda bias.
How old was God the mother when she got pregnant with God the son for God the father?
What significant role did God the holy ghost played in the God drama script written by the Council of Nicea?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by sagenaija: 7:06am On May 12, 2021|
enilove, you are doing a very good job!
Particularly with this guy who keeps running from one issue to another.
It's amazing that even when the Koran is quoted he still can't see AND ADMIT his foolishness in trying to indict the Bible.
Instead of admitting where he went wrong he runs to ask another question or present what he thinks is another problem.
That is what mere cramming of a book can do to the human brain. It robs a man of the right cognitive function.
In the attempt to fault the Bible he ends up not realizing that his Koran (which borrowed heavily from Biblical stories) gets incriminated.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 8:39am On May 12, 2021|
Thanks for the compliment , but I know for sure , I am learning from you guys.
As per the Muslims , their case is spiritual. For someone who has been bowing to an idol for about 20 years or more , he can't leave or forsake that idol just like that because there is a covenant binding them together.
We are just trying our best and we pray that the Holy Spirit will arrest their souls and damage their ignorance , in the name of Jesus.
Thank you my brother , may the Lord keep and bless you and your families , in Jesus' name.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:10am On May 12, 2021|
OK. I hear you sir.
Now, back to my matter.
"Jesus is God because his Father is a God .A lion wiill give birth to a lion."
Why then did the God Makers - the council of Nicaea in 325 - excluded Mary the mother of your God from Godship?
May be genda bias
How old was God the mother when she got pregnant with God the son for God the father?
What significant role did God the holy ghost played in the "God drama" script written and produced by the Council of Nicaea in 325?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 10:05am On May 12, 2021|
Jesus created the animals , humans beings including Mary. That is the awesome power of our God .
By rejecting him , it means you love death.
Our God does not need a wife to have a Son unlike the Allah who needs a wife to have a son.
It is the power of God that made a virgin to have a son which your Quran could not deny but impossible for Allah.
You asked for the age of Mary or Jesus like the Pharisees because they were spiritually ignorant .
John 8:51-59 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.  Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
 Jesus answered, If .........
 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
How come Jesus is older than Abraham that was born 2000 years b4 him?
The answer is simple , he was God in the flesh.
WHO IS GOD ? HE IS A CREATOR AND THE GIVER OF LIFE :
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 49)
That is a sign of God Jesus exhibited . That bird flew because it became flesh and received instant blood and breath of life.
Bring all the professors , doctors , magicians of this world together and see if they can by their Knowledge , wisdom and magic create a BLOOD of animals or that of humans.
But Jesus did this as a token of the sign of who he is .
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 12:31pm On May 12, 2021|
Another reason that your brain need some repair.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 12:38pm On May 12, 2021|
enilove:"I pity you . Are you Muslims the one to tell us the interpretation of the Bible..."
Stop putting words in Allah's mouth.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 12:42pm On May 12, 2021|
Who was the mother of Jesus your God?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 1:15pm On May 12, 2021|
Your Allah commanded your prophet to go and receive knowledge from the Christians and I showed this to you in your Qur'an. How does that warrant that nonsense you posted above?
Or you meant the brain of your prophet needed to be repaired because of the bewitchment he suffered ?
I think you are right if you meant it for your prophet :
Once the Prophet (ﷺ) was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.
Sahih al-Bukhari 3175
In-book : Book 58, Hadith 17
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 53, Hadith 400 (deprecated)
I believe you that something serious had gone wrong with the brain of your prophet . Eg.
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Sunan Abi Dawud 66
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 66
English translation : Book 1, Hadith 66
You better leave this filthy , dirty , insane prophet b4 it is too late for you.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:32pm On May 12, 2021|
If your God does not need a wife to have a son, We were informed that one Mary got pregnant for you God.
Allah does not have any need for a son or whatsoever.
"وَ قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحۡمٰنُ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۸۸﴾
And (the disbelievers) say: ‘The Most Kind (Lord) has taken (to Himself) a son.’
"لَقَدۡ جِئۡتُمۡ شَیۡئًا اِدًّا ﴿ۙ۸۹﴾
(O disbelievers!) You have indeed brought most horrible and unusual evil (on your tongues).
"تَکَادُ السَّمٰوٰتُ یَتَفَطَّرۡنَ مِنۡہُ وَ تَنۡشَقُّ الۡاَرۡضُ وَ تَخِرُّ الۡجِبَالُ ہَدًّا ﴿ۙ۹۰﴾
The heavens may just burst at this (fabricated lie) and the earth split asunder and the mountains fall down to pieces,
"اَنۡ دَعَوۡا لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ وَلَدًا ﴿ۚ۹۱﴾
That they have attributed a son to the Most Kind (Lord).
"وَ مَا یَنۡۢبَغِیۡ لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۹۲﴾
And it is not befitting the Glory of the Most Kind (Lord) to take (someone as) a son.
"اِنۡ کُلُّ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ اِلَّاۤ اٰتِی الرَّحۡمٰنِ عَبۡدًا ﴿ؕ۹۳﴾
Whoever is (dwelling) in the heavens and the earth (whether an angel, a jinn or a human being) will appear just as a servant before the Most Kind (Lord).
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 3:37pm On May 12, 2021|
Is this another reason why your brain need some repairs?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 4:15pm On May 12, 2021|
Who was Mary that concieved Jesus and birth him?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 4:18pm On May 12, 2021|
How does these answer my questions?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 4:25pm On May 12, 2021|
Who gave birth to God Jesus?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 4:31pm On May 12, 2021|
Why him no wait to explain?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 4:56pm On May 12, 2021|
You are quoting words of a bewitched man .
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 5:00pm On May 12, 2021|
Compare the words of Allah above and that of trinity below:
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. [/b]26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 [b]So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
Where does Genocide resides?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 5:06pm On May 12, 2021|
You are a kafir for not believing your Qur'an.
Why not leave this satanic religion for good. I can see you don't have faith in your Qur'an.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 5:10pm On May 12, 2021|
[17:47] Al-’Isrā-الْإِسْرَاء/بَنِيْ إِسْرَآءِيْل
"نَحۡنُ اَعۡلَمُ بِمَا یَسۡتَمِعُوۡنَ بِہٖۤ اِذۡ یَسۡتَمِعُوۡنَ اِلَیۡکَ وَ اِذۡ ہُمۡ نَجۡوٰۤی اِذۡ یَقُوۡلُ الظّٰلِمُوۡنَ اِنۡ تَتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا رَجُلًا مَّسۡحُوۡرًا ﴿۴۷﴾
We know best the motive with which they listen to with active attention when they give you ears and when they whisper and when these wrongdoers say (to the Muslims): ‘You are following only a person that is bewitched (i.e., a spell has been cast on him. And We see and hear all this).’
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 5:13pm On May 12, 2021|
Save the emotions!
Who gave birth to your God, Jesus?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 5:13pm On May 12, 2021|
Was it not a command from your Allah to carry out the Genocide ?
Yes or No .
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 5:15pm On May 12, 2021|
You should be asking your Muhammad and Allah this question .
Why did Allah claimed he did the miracle ?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 5:43pm On May 12, 2021|
He didn't wait because he is not an area boy like Muhammad :
When the helmet of the Prophet (ﷺ) was smashed on his head and blood covered his face and one of his front teeth got broken, `Ali brought the water in his shield and Fatima the Prophet's daughter) washed him. But when she saw that the bleeding increased more by the water, she took a mat, burnt it, and placed the ashes on the wound of the Prophet (ﷺ) and so the blood stopped oozing out.
Sahih al-Bukhari 2903
In-book : Book 56, Hadith 117
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 152 (deprecated)
Jesus is love and peace but Muhammad was a gangster and wicked man .
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was distributing something, a man came towards him and bent down on him. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) struck him with a bough and his face was wounded. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said to him: Come and take retaliation. He said: no, I have forgiven, Messenger of Allah!.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4536
In-book : Book 41, Hadith 43
English translation : Book 40, Hadith 4521
Can you call this one a prophet ?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 6:39pm On May 12, 2021|
This is what Allah said about Jesus, son of Mary:
"یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوۡا فِیۡ دِیۡنِکُمۡ وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا عَلَی اللّٰہِ اِلَّا الۡحَقَّ ؕ اِنَّمَا الۡمَسِیۡحُ عِیۡسَی ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُوۡلُ اللّٰہِ وَ کَلِمَتُہٗ ۚ اَلۡقٰہَاۤ اِلٰی مَرۡیَمَ وَ رُوۡحٌ مِّنۡہُ ۫ فَاٰمِنُوۡا بِاللّٰہِ وَ رُسُلِہٖ ۚ۟ وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا ثَلٰثَۃٌ ؕ اِنۡتَہُوۡا خَیۡرًا لَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّمَا اللّٰہُ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ سُبۡحٰنَہٗۤ اَنۡ یَّکُوۡنَ لَہٗ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ کَفٰی بِاللّٰہِ وَکِیۡلًا ﴿۱۷۱﴾٪
O People of the Book! Exceed not the limits in your din (religion), and speak nothing but the truth about Allah’s glory. The fact is simple that the Messiah, ‘Isa, the son of Maryam (Jesus, the son of Mary) is Allah’s Messenger and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam (Mary) and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say: ‘There are three (Gods).’ Refrain (from this belief); (that) is best for you. Verily, Allah is the Only One God, Holy is He, far above having a son. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth (all) belongs to Him alone. And Sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
"لَنۡ یَّسۡتَنۡکِفَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ اَنۡ یَّکُوۡنَ عَبۡدًا لِّلّٰہِ وَ لَا الۡمَلٰٓئِکَۃُ الۡمُقَرَّبُوۡنَ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّسۡتَنۡکِفۡ عَنۡ عِبَادَتِہٖ وَ یَسۡتَکۡبِرۡ فَسَیَحۡشُرُہُمۡ اِلَیۡہِ جَمِیۡعًا ﴿۱۷۲﴾
The Messiah feels no embarrassment in being a servant of Allah. Nor do the closest angels (ever feel ashamed). And whoever disdains to be His servant and perpetrates arrogance, He will soon assemble together all such people before Him.
"فَاَمَّا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا وَ عَمِلُوا الصّٰلِحٰتِ فَیُوَفِّیۡہِمۡ اُجُوۡرَہُمۡ وَ یَزِیۡدُہُمۡ مِّنۡ فَضۡلِہٖ ۚ وَ اَمَّا الَّذِیۡنَ اسۡتَنۡکَفُوۡا وَ اسۡتَکۡبَرُوۡا فَیُعَذِّبُہُمۡ عَذَابًا اَلِیۡمًا ۬ۙ وَّ لَا یَجِدُوۡنَ لَہُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ وَلِیًّا وَّ لَا نَصِیۡرًا ﴿۱۷۳﴾
So those who believe and persist in doing pious deeds, He will pay them their wages in full and will (then) award them more out of His bounty. But those who disdain (worshipping Allah) and behave arrogantly, He will punish them with grievous torment, and they will not find for them any friend or helper besides Allah.
Jesus, son of Mary said:
"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird [\b]by permission of Allah.[\b] And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 49)
Who gave birth to your God?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 7:14pm On May 12, 2021|
Mary gave birth to a son and not God.
Jesus did not come into this world in the form of God in his glory as a God.
Matthew 12:47-50 KJV
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN .
To Mary and to the inhabitants of the world Jesus is a human being because he came as an ordinary man or in form of a man and not as God.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:31pm On May 12, 2021|
You seem to begin to align with the Qur'an.
But I don't get the other part.
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 9:37pm On May 12, 2021|
What do you mean by aligning with the Qur'an?
Did I quote the Quran ?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:37pm On May 12, 2021|
Please explain the above, so I can ask my questions
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by mhmsadyq(m): 9:39pm On May 12, 2021|
Who were his parents?
Who were the parents of Mary?
|Re: The Summary Of Al-fathiah by enilove(m): 9:53pm On May 12, 2021|
This was a revelation given by prophet Isaiah about 1200 years b4 Jesus was born.
It talks about the true identities of Jesus .
He will be born as a child and grow to be a son but his true identity is God in human form.
That is simply what it means.
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