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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 10:58am On May 11
RexTramadol1:
Lol....


So far na same level and step



Seniority is inconsequential

Seniority is inconsequential until you guys reaches level 16/17 and one of you need to be a Director, then you'd know that seniority ACTUALLY matters.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by NoToPile: 10:59am On May 11
It goes like this

If seniority is to be determined in civil service and both officers resumed same day, same grade level everything same.

The will check the date of assumption of duty in this case the person who came in the morning is the senior whoever signs first on that register is the senior even if there's no signing time.No 5 is the senior to No 6.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by NoToPile: 10:59am On May 11
Folarxn:


Seniority is inconsequential until you guys reaches level 16/17 and one of you need to be a Director, then you'd know that seniority ACTUALLY matters.

Exactly
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by femi4: 10:59am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
The one that did in the morning will have file no before the other.They can't have same file no. Hence, he is the senior.
If I do documentation by 12 noon and you did yours later even if it's 12:01pm....My dear, I m your senior according to the public service rules

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by femi4: 11:02am On May 11
Folarxn:


Seniority is inconsequential until you guys reaches level 16/17 and one of you need to be a Director, then you'd know that seniority ACTUALLY matters.
Seniority is not only use when choosing a director.

It's also use to choose a caretaker of a department if the boss is unavailable

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 11:02am On May 11
NoToPile:


Exactly

The OP asked a question which specifically concerns the Civil Service, and I'm stunned people who aren't Civil Servant and who've never been in the Public Service are presenting UNINFORMED OPINIONS as if they are actually WELL INFORMED.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by sgtponzihater1(m): 11:03am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

grin the scam called civil service
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 11:07am On May 11
femi4:
Seniority is not only use when choosing a director.

It's also use to choose a caretaker of a department if the boss is unavailable

You're correct as well. I've mentioned something similar in another reply I made to someone earlier on the thread. I talked about being in a meeting less than 24 hours ago.

Also, seniority at the directorate level also determines the sitting arrangements in official functions.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Tareq1105: 11:10am On May 11
Seniority is determined by the first person to be documented upon assumption of duty. The evidence of documentation is your File number.

If my File number is 2041 and yours is 2042 (documented some minutes after me), automatically I'm the senior even though we have the same qualifications, same grade level and step, employed same day.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by sojfarm: 11:12am On May 11
Is your salary determined by seniority.

What works well in office enviroment is mutual respect and maturity.

Over time performance merits or nepotism will set record for seniority
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by IYANGBALI: 11:14am On May 11
The staff number
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by RexTramadol1: 11:15am On May 11
Folarxn:


Seniority is inconsequential until you guys reaches level 16/17 and one of you need to be a Director, then you'd know that seniority ACTUALLY matters.




Well most often, such post is based on selection by higher authority
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by 1Alex: 11:15am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
staff number tells the senior. One person's number must come before the other even if you submitted your documents at the same time. One person must be number one while the other number two. Number one automatically becomes the senior.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by NoToPile: 11:21am On May 11
Folarxn:


You're correct as well. I've mentioned something similar in another reply I made to someone earlier on the thread. I talked about being in a meeting less than 24 hours ago.

Also, seniority at the directorate level also determines the sitting arrangements in official functions.

You are right.

Even below the directorate levels things similar to this plays out sometimes.
Something as simple as writing a list of those in the department you write based on grade level, you can not write randomly grin

I am always like wahala dey .

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Solatium(m): 11:24am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.


Who ever is the first to resume at training is the senior,that is if the job requires training
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by osteenbush(m): 11:25am On May 11
Through their PIN. Employee on the same rank have their various PINs also, so each PIN helps to identify the month, year and file number of each individual.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by ejimatic: 11:25am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
. Date and time of Resumption determine the seniority. For example John are Ade are employed as Admin Officer 1 John resumes on May 12 2021 at 8 am while Ade resumes on May 12 2021 at 8 15 am .John is the senior of the two officers .So in future if they maintain the same progression and they want to appoint the Registrar.John will be appointed first before the turn of Ade.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Businesstools(m): 11:26am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

I believe you have official numbers. The person whose number comes first is the senior. At least, that's the way it is done in the military.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by hush15: 11:27am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

There is no seniority is this case however, the role you fill and who your functions attaches to could be a subtle line of relevance and thus your importance. You can be a driver but your role and functions to the CEO or director can give you the leverage to be highly regarded than the PA or Department head.

So wherever or whatever position we find ourselves, let's be effective and diligent.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by AbuAeesha: 11:28am On May 11
but wat is the benefit of the seniority??
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Divinehealer(f): 11:28am On May 11
Lol, Nigerians and seniority battle. The work place should have mutual respect. When it comes to work, the person whose grade level is above you is your snr
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Simon0160(m): 11:28am On May 11
The recruitment was done at the same time. It doesn't matter who open file first but their age will be a key factor of determining the senior.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by ogascomax: 11:44am On May 11
One thing that can be used is this if one is a BSC holder he will be taken as the senior while the other that is HND holder is the junior. You can still consider whoever that firstly concluded his or her documentation.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by eldoradoxx(f): 11:44am On May 11
PCG001:
Let me use this empty space...

Both staff are equal in rank, simple.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 11:50am On May 11
RexTramadol1:





Well most often, such post is based on selection by higher authority

Position in the civil service like Permanent Secretary, Head of Service et al involves REAL POLITICS, no doubt. And I clearly understand what you meant by higher authority.

But on a normal day in a Ministerial Directorate (like where I work), seniority, GL and step is what matters.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Unityp: 11:56am On May 11
MacBriggsons:
Seniority will be established through their Staff ID Numbers.

The one who first registered will usually have a number that precedes the other. He submitted his file first and normally would receive a file ID which in many organizations will transform to the staff ID.

Staff Identity Numbers are usually serial.

It is also not true that because they are unconfirmed or not promoted, there is no senior. This is absolutely untrue. If both of them are nominated for an exercise the one who is considered senior assumes the position of Team Lead and responsible to ensure that the exercise is properly executed.
Bro,this is exactly the case now and they are putting the man above her to head a unit.She did her documentation before this man and her name has been appearing before this man until the opportunity came.They now placed the man`s name above her.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 11:57am On May 11
Simon0160:
The recruitment was done at the same time. It doesn't matter who open file first but their age will be a key factor of determining the senior.

Age is not a key factor used in determining seniority in the Civil Service, especially in a Government Ministry like the OP stated.

Yes, y'all might've been hired during the same recruitment exercise. If you're successful, the Government through the (State) Civil Service Commission or (Federal) Civil Service Commission issues you a TEMPORARY APPOINTMENT LETTER. You'll follow this up with something called ACCEPTANCE LETTER.

It doesn't matter if you're 35 years old and I'm 20, in as much as I write my acceptance letter first, submitted it, it was received and a file is open for me at the Open Registry before you.

If you really care about what happens afterwards, read this:

MacBriggsons:
Seniority will be established through their Staff ID Numbers.

The one who first registered will usually have a number that precedes the other. He submitted his file first and normally would receive a file ID which in many organizations will transform to the staff ID.

Staff Identity Numbers are usually serial.

It is also not true that because they are unconfirmed or not promoted, there is no senior. This is absolutely untrue. If both of them are nominated for an exercise the one who is considered senior assumes the position of Team Lead and responsible to ensure that the exercise is properly executed.

The only way you can become my senior based on the scenario I've explained above is that I fail to register, take and pass Civil Service Examinations that I'm required to or/and I fail to pass promotional examinations, too.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Dreadful: 11:57am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
That's a lie. When on same level, you use age!
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 12:04pm On May 11
Dreadful:

That's a lie. When on same level, you use age!

You guys just say unsubstantiated things with audacity… Which chapter, section or subsection of the Public Service Rules is your claim stated?

Here's a screenshot of the the copy of PSR book I used for my Civil Service Exams.

Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by HEAVEN4444: 12:09pm On May 11
THE one who is older in age

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