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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by tempex88(m): 10:28am On May 11
The one with the higher evaluation score is more senior
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by McTobe(m): 10:29am On May 11
The one that submitted his acceptance of offer of employment letter first. In the staff nominal role you will also notice who is senior among contemporaries.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by na2016: 10:30am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

Date of assumption of duty which is part of the forms you submitted when you accepted the offer.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by mrksquare: 10:32am On May 11
As long as neither of them failed any promotion interview, the both of them are on the same level, the same step.

Two people who are employed on the same day start on the same level/same step whether one does his documentation in the morning and the other in the evening.

But there are exception, if one got employed with a Masters degree while the other with a first degree. The one with a Masters will be placed on grade level 9, while the one with first degree will be placed on grade level 8.

What will eventually play out in the course of their career progression as in the case of two civil servants who started on the same level, is if one of them fail a promotion interview and the other passes. Then the one that passes now becomes higher than the latter in rank and level.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Focusmind: 10:32am On May 11
The most efficient and effective between the two. My Ogas did it well then when I was in the banking sector. The one seen as more productive and efficient will always command superiority over his mate of the same cadre.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by tonyashburton: 10:33am On May 11
The officer who resumed first is senior in the civil service even if they both came on the same day.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Odidigboigbo(m): 10:33am On May 11
No one is senior, they are on the same level, since they were employed on the same day and the same grade with the same level of qualifications. In civil service seniority is measured base on grade level and step. In Civil service, those in the same grade level and step are equal irrespective of who come first.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Focusmind: 10:33am On May 11

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by aigjoey(m): 10:34am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

The one who came to work first and has his name on the log book first will be considered first.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Trinityman: 10:34am On May 11
As long as they were both placed on the same grade level and same steps No seniors between the two..Only diffrence in steps gives either of the two slight edge because both will still be due for promotion at the same time...So as it stands no senior between the two of them...Even if their documentation was done at a difrrent date as long as they were placed on the same level and step..No one can lay claim to seniority

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Vaiki(m): 10:34am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
Work resumption serial number(RSN)
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by markidoo(m): 10:35am On May 11
Service number
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Akpuobi1: 10:35am On May 11
Seniority in the civil service is determined by the date and time one resumed duty in an organisation. Since your friend the other colleague resumed the same day, your friend is not his senior.

Your friend can only claim seniority if his level/cadre/position in that public sector organisation is higher than his colleague.

Aside from the above stated, your friend shouldn't do more than his power, cos they are mate irrespective of the age difference.

There other ways he can prove his personal seniority and attract respect to himself. which includes been skilled in what he does in the organization, acquiring additional knowledge relevant to the organization and his career, and been charismatic in his dealings with others
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Selynbriel: 10:35am On May 11
The difference is in there service number
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by RexTramadol1: 10:36am On May 11
Lol....


So far na same level and step



Seniority is inconsequential
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by sugarfrank(m): 10:38am On May 11
If it's in law school, they go by the alphabets.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Lanretoye(m): 10:39am On May 11
What has seniority got to do with work?,you have your job description and chain of command.perform your duties diligently and stop being immatured.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 10:40am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.

There's something called file, it's usually kept in the open registry of the Ministry in question. Each file has a number, called file number. So, check their file numbers and see whose file number came earlier than the other, than you get the answer to your question.

Also, there's something called PSN (Public Service Number), compare both of the PSNs and you'd know who came first and who came last among the two.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Fabulouslouie(m): 10:41am On May 11
Seniorwriter:
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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Heffalump(m): 10:41am On May 11
ignis:
Please if I may ask, of what use is the seniority ? Naija people get wahala.

If you're self employed you may not understand. It affects you in all round, especially when decisions are based on seniority.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by blucurtain: 10:42am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.



Hi, your question can be answered easily if we know the reason behind the the need to know the one who is senior and if both operate within same department etc. Then how senior are these people? The policy of an organization must envisage and put controls in place to reduce this issue. Such people if at senior level should be posted to different areas of the business to avoid conflicting impact.

Regardless, here are your consideration options:

1. TIME ON GRADE: If anyone at any point in time has gone ahead to be promoted first before the other joined him in a new grade, then he takes precedence.

2. PERFORMANCE: Who scores higher performance points on the PMS might be seen as first amongst equal

3. RESPONSIBILITY / SPAN OF CONTROL: Who oversees more critical responsibilities might be seen as taking priority. For example is one if Candidate A is Head of Finance and Candidate B is Head of Store -

4. QUALITATIVE JUDGEMENT: Senior Management can take a qualitative judgement or who takes precedence.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Folarxn: 10:43am On May 11
Trinityman:
As long as they were both placed on the same grade level and same steps No seniors between the two..Only diffrence in steps gives either of the two slight edge because both will still be due for promotion at the same time...So as it stands no senior between the two of them...Even if their documentation was done at a difrrent date as long as they were placed on the same level and step..No one can lay claim to seniority

The bolded is wrong assertion, seniority matters in the civil service. How do I know? Well, I'm a civil servant.

I work in a Ministry (which I'll not name for obvious reasons). In my department, our Director is on Grade Level (GL 17), we have three other Deputy Directors on GL 16, then one Assistant Director on GL 15. Our current Director retires next year (2022), one of the Deputy Directors would to replace him and it's the one who has been in service longer that'll replace him. The rule/law about it is not ambiguous. I recently wrote my Civil Service Exams December last year, and one of the courses I took was PUBLIC SERVICE RULES. Everything is clearly laid down in that course.

That being said, just yesterday, in fact, less than 24 hours ago, we were in a meeting with all Directors (deputies inclusive) present. The anchor erroneously recognised the Deputy Director with lesser year in service before the senior one, and he had to apologize, then do it right when it was brought to his attention that he had made a mistake.

In the Civil Service, there hierarchy and there is seniority based on your level of experience and years in service.

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Lexusgs430: 10:48am On May 11
2 jobless people, hunting seniority level......
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by dheolexaone(f): 10:48am On May 11
Who seniority help?

Oga, look for means to secure the bag!

Dts d biggest seniority
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Kobicove(m): 10:50am On May 11
whiskystan:
First to submit his forms and report on the job is the senior

What?! shocked
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Connected1: 10:50am On May 11
Simplyleo:

You mean a professor of 3 years has same seniority with another professor that just finished his inaugural lecture?

Pls I want to learn. undecided
I don't know what it takes to finish inaugural lecture, but I will tell you that two students who got 4.71 & 4.71 respectively are equal same as two new workers who got employed on the same day are equal, it doesn't matter if one works harder than the other or if one resumed before the other.
Seniority comes when they receive appraisal ratings or when one is promoted above the other.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by GABRIEL6036: 10:50am On May 11
narcos24:
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Its like thunder want to fire your ass abi? Crazy murdafucker
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Someone7(m): 10:51am On May 11
The ones whose ID cards were issued first (by date) or those who were appointed first (by date). I always yab my Mrs, these civil servants. Una too like seniority

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Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by ecomalchemist(m): 10:51am On May 11
na who get money pass be senior, no cap
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Simplyleo: 10:56am On May 11
Connected1:

I don't know what it takes to finish inaugural lecture, but I will tell you that two students who got 4.71 & 4.71 respectively are equal same as two new workers who got employed on the same day are equal, it doesn't matter if one works harder than the other or if one resumed before the other.
Seniority comes when they receive appraisal ratings or when one is promoted above the other.
You didn't get it.

There are situations of workers on the same grade level but were recruited different years.

A member of staff recruited 2 years back will still be on GL 08, so also another member recruited this year. How do you make out the difference between the two workers? I think the steps make the difference. Eg GL 08, step 2.

On inaugural lecture for a prof, that is his/her maiden lecture as a prof as opposed to a prof of 3 years who has been holding lectures and seminars.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Noneroone(m): 10:57am On May 11
Unityp:
Two staff in one of the Federal Ministries got employment letter the same time,with the same grade level and step,both of them did documentation/assumption of duty the same day.One did in the morning while the other did his in the afternoon but the time was not recorded.
Now the question is how do you determine seniority between this two on the nominal roll?Pls admin gurus in the civil service should help out here because this is exactly what a friend is passing through in her place of work.
The day of documentation doesn't really matter, what matters is the effective date contained in the offer of appointment issued by the civil service commission. Your appointment letter is based on this also. If however the level and date remains same for two or more individuals, their age will determine. ie the older will be the senior.
Re: How Do You Determine Seniority With Staff On The Same Level And Step? by Wolfeye: 10:57am On May 11
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