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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 11:36am On Jun 01
rhektor:


I only asked you for one thing, just one. Quote or screenshot where I have claimed that the gibberish which you wrote is in Ìjẹ̀bú dialect, wèrè olódo. You've been exposed for the fraud that you are.
Arìndìn will read something on Wikipedia he won't understand it but he will jump into nairaland and be forming scholar grin Àṣírí ẹ ti tú, apọ̀dà. No hiding place for you until you apologize

Cc TAO11
Pained liar . Just imaging a failed lair liar grin cheesy whocannot post where I used Ijebu dialect . Quote the post andnot your peddled lie.
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 11:51am On Jun 01
rhektor:


Man can't even see his own error in the kèrè that he foolishly posted, the word kèrè has no meaning in Yorùbá language unless he's coining a new word from his numerous illusory new Yorùbá dialects of republique du Benin. Olu317, I won't stop calling you out until you apologize to everyone on nairaland for your frauds
Olodo kèrè is proclam! Olodo jatijati . Must I add 'O' to it. So, you ignorant need me teach you that, kèrè o, kara kèrè,kira,kera means proclamation, announcement, attention calling,voicing
Ignorant, Kéré is small
same as bá with pearch
bá to mean, being in advantageous position, lordover, perch

Olodorabata eyin-ju eja lo mo je grin grin . Do I need open your brain and teach you common sense? Perhaps it eludes you.kikiki.......
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 12:09pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
You were debunked to pieces at the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/54#101590222

In Summary:
(1) Your fake words Ela, Ila do NOT mean God in Arabic language. Also, Ellah is NOT an Arabic word.

(2) Yoruba does NOT belong to the same language family as Arabic and Hebrew.

If you think otherwise, then name one linguist who agree with you.

(3) Which Palestinian told Olu-the-fraud that ق and ك are equivalent!

And where did WiKiPeDiA (let’s pretend Wikipedia is even accurate always) tell Olu that?? I’m waiting!

(4) Which Arabic researcher told Olu-the-fraud that ق is equivalent to ك ??

I really want to know these researchers. C’mon Olu, talk. cheesy

(5) Rubbish? To think this is coming from a rubbish. You failed in real life, you also failed at online fraud. You are a disgrace.

(6) Let me disgrace you finally. Transliterate “TAO” into Arabic with pen and paper. Snap and attach. grin

Cc: rhektor

See your life below ..... grin grin Arabic word Al Ilah means The God."Allah" is contraction of Al iIāh(The God). Master of lies, continue.

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 12:24pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
Who is this fraud of a dullard for Ṣàǹgó’s sake? cheesy

(1) You noted (on a different thread ) that “K” is equivalent to “Q” in Arabic language.

(2) I exposed your falsehood & fakery in that regards on that same thread.

(3) You now proceeded to lie blatantly (on this new thread in an attempt float your sinking ship) that:

TAO said “Q” and “K” aren’t interchangeable in Hebrew language. undecided

(4) I then disgraced you by posting the screenshots of my actual statement and that of your allegation.

(5) Noticing the disgrace on you, you’re now trying to renege back to my actual statement. grin

(6) Instead of apologizing for having misrepresented me out of your desperation, you foolishly and silently went back to my actual statement unceremoniously.

(7) To cap your foolishness, you reneged back to my actual statement; but you did so while trying to hold on again to your old, debunked ‘agnorant’ idea that “Q” and “K” are indeed equivalent in Arabic language.

(8 ) In response to this I’d say: You have proven time & time again (including now) that you are not simply a disgrace, but you’re actually a very big disgrace.

This is because, the Arabic “Q” and the Arabic “K” are not equivalent and such the Arabic word “Qur’an” is an actual Arabic word, while your supposed Arabic word “Kur’an” is not only meaningless, but also non-existent.

Even though you typed this comment with your heart racing and your hands shaking, you still managed to squeeze in lies — your stock in trade.

First of all, I didn’t claim to conduct the archaeological survey of the Middle Niger Valley.

The professional archaeologists did. I have only cited their conclusions and finds. I am unlike you who claim to be who they are not.

Secondly, I do not “intend to link Yoruba people with” any so-called “fossil man” — whatever that means in your schizophrenic world of insanity.

Instead, I have cited the established conclusions from linguistics, archaeology, and ethnographic studies.

It is you (the insane one) who have claimed to know better than the experts. You’re the ‘agnoramous’ and dullard. See ‘agnorant’ as attached. LMAO!

Thirdly regarding the 40,000 y. o. archaeological finds in the Middle-Niger Valley region, are you saying that there are no such archaeological research, or are you admitting your ignorance of such information??

Please point out which of these two applies to you so I can reply accordingly. I need to know whether I am to debunk your ‘agnorance,’ or to rescue you from your ignorance. Please make a choice.

Cheers.
Cc: rhektor
Self explanatory in Bothbel Hebrew and Arabic screenshots meaning. Post evidence and cry less over spill milk.

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 12:56pm On Jun 01
Olu317:
See your life below ..... grin grin Arabic word Al Ilah means The God."Allah" is contraction of Al iIāh(The God). Master of lies, continue.
A fraud and dullard trying hard to push his already debunked frauds.

You fraudulently claimed that the words Ela, Ala, Ila, Al-Ila, Ellah, etc. are all Arabic words for God.

You were foolish enough to attach a screenshot that debunks your fraudulent claim as attached below.

Your screenshot shows Al-Ilah, your fraud claim says Al-Ila.

You are indeed a disgrace because none of the nonsense you wrote (i.e. Ela, Ala, Ila, Al-Ila, Ellah, etc.) are Arabic words for God.

Cc: rhektor

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 1:00pm On Jun 01
Olu317:
Self explanatory in Bothbel Hebrew and Arabic screenshots meaning. Post evidence and cry less over spill milk.
Listen up Olu-the-disgrace:

The first screenshot you posted is the pdf of a page from the trashy book you claim you’re authoring. cheesy

So, how is such screenshot supposed to be evidence of your own Nairaland claim to even start with??

Are you actually dumb?? [Genuine question].

Secondly, Where did your WiKiPeDiA grin screenshot say that the Arabic “Q” (i.e. ق) is equivalent to the Arabic “K” (i.e. ك)??

Instead of I, you are the one who is under a burden to prove that your fake word “Koran”/“Kur’an” (كران) does exist in Arabic.

Also, the real word “Qur’an” does NOT mean “he who (that which) calls” as you’ve claimed in your dumb book (a screenshot of which you attached), and it doesn’t come from the so-called etymology on the same crappy screenshot.

Like I always say, you are a public disgrace. cheesy

Cc: rhektor
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 1:17pm On Jun 01
Olu317:
Pained liar . Just imaging a failed lair liar grin cheesy whocannot post where I used Ijebu dialect . Quote the post andnot your peddled lie.
Olu-the-disgrace,

I am waiting for you to prove your Arabic knowledge by doing the following:

Please write down the Arabic transliteration of the word “TAO” using pen and paper. Snap whatever you wrote and attach it.

Cc: rhektor

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 4:50pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
Olu-the-disgrace,

I am waiting for you to prove your Arabic knowledge by doing the following:

Please write down the Arabic transliteration of the word “TAO” using pen and paper. Snap whatever you wrote and attach it.

Cc: rhektor

The mumu still dey cling ro straw

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 4:53pm On Jun 01
rhektor:
The mumu still dey cling ro straw
He probably still can’t find a local ’Alfa’ in his area who will help him out. cheesy
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 4:56pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
Listen up Olu-the-disgrace:

The first screenshot you posted is the pdf of a page from the trashy book you claim you’re authoring. cheesy

So, how is such screenshot supposed to be evidence of your own Nairaland claim to even start with??

Are you actually dumb?? [Genuine question].

Secondly, Where did your WiKiPeDiA grin screenshot say that the Arabic “Q” (i.e. ق) is equivalent to the Arabic “K” (i.e. ك)??

Instead of I, you are the one who is under a burden to prove that your fake word كران does exist in Arabic.

Also, the word “Qur’an” does NOT mean “he who (that which) calls” as you’ve claimed in your dumb book — a screenshot of which you attached.

Like I always say, you are a public disgrace. cheesy

Cc: rhektor

Olu317 is too dull to learn anything apart from the junks that fill up his skull. All he does is conjuring words, when there are no words he twist an existing word to suit his folly. Plus I have never seen where anyone used his own book that he has written or is still writing as evidence lol grin Olu317 is too stupid to realize that he's digging holes for himself by doing so. Òpònú ni

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 4:57pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
A fraud and dullard trying hard to push his already debunked frauds.

You fraudulently claimed that the words Ela, Ala, Ilah, Al-Ilah, Ellah, etc. are all Arabic words for God.

You were foolish enough to attach a screenshot that debunks your fraudulent claim as attached below.

Your screenshot shows Al-Ilah, your fraud claim says Al-Ila.

You are indeed a disgrace because none of the nonsense you wrote (i.e. Ela, Ala, Ilah, Al-Ilah, Ellah, etc.) are Arabic words for God.

Cc: rhektor
Odenson ni sẹ́, kò lè kọ́gbọ́n kankan mọ́

Olu317 the fraud of Hebrew Yoruba grin

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 5:01pm On Jun 01
rhektor:
Olu317 is too dull to learn anything apart from the junks that fill up his skull. All he does is conjuring words, when there are no words he twist an existing word to suit his folly. Plus I have never seen where anyone used his own book that he has written or is still writing as evidence lol grin Olu317 is too stupid to realize that he's digging holes for himself by doing so. Òpònú ni
Òpònú gbáà ni ọmọ náà.

He posts his usual trashy comments to Nairaland.

And when asked for evidence, he proceeds to attach a screenshot of the trashy book he claims to be writing.

Could anyone be actually dumber than this Olu317??

[genuine question].

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 5:02pm On Jun 01
rhektor:

Odenson ni sẹ́, kò lè kọ́gbọ́n kankan mọ́

Olu317 the fraud of Hebrew Yoruba grin
Lol.

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 5:10pm On Jun 01
Olu317:
Olodo kèrè is proclam! Olodo jatijati . Must I add 'O' to it. So, you ignorant need me teach you that, kèrè o, kara kèrè,kira,kera means proclamation, announcement, attention calling,voicing
Ignorant, Kéré is small
same as bá with pearch
bá to mean, being in advantageous position, lordover, perch

Olodorabata eyin-ju eja lo mo je grin grin . Do I need open your brain and teach you common sense? Perhaps it eludes you.kikiki.......

I have told you severally that you are too silly.

I will teach you for the sake of other people who would need to learn

Kéré = small (miniature)
Kére (as in kére ó) = proclaim (calling for attention)
Kèrè is not a Yorùbá word as it makes no sense to any Yorùbá or yoruboid group if you insist that it does you will have to show us which Yorùbá group uses such a word in their dialect and what it means. Just because words carry the same Latin character does not mean they will mean the same thing when used in different languages Olu317 you need to learn a lot but please for the sake of sanity learn how to read and write Yorùbá properly.

Wait o, did you actually say that you want to teach me common sense? grin you must be high on some horse dung cheesy
You can't give what you don't have, idiot!
Olu317 òpùrọ́ of nairaland, go and learn the basic first

Cc TAO11

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 5:14pm On Jun 01
Olu317:
Pained liar . Just imaging a failed lair liar grin cheesy whocannot post where I used Ijebu dialect . Quote the post andnot your peddled lie.

Are you demented? This can not be ordinary o. TAO11 please Olu need our help. Now I'm realising that he seem to be having partial dementia. Please tag people that could be of help olu is going nut
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 5:21pm On Jun 01
Olu317:
Pained liar . Just imaging a failed lair liar grin cheesy whocannot post where I used Ijebu dialect . Quote the post andnot your peddled lie.

Where did I ever claim that you used Ìjẹ̀bú dialect? Is this not the reason I have been calling you a fraud since? Is is that your brain is working backwardly? undecided undecided
Until you have either shown where I have claimed that you used Ìjẹ̀bú dialect or apologize, I won't leave you off this hook. You think that repeating a lie several times will automatically turn it to truth? Kò jọọ́
O ti rugi oyin sẹ́

Cc TAO11

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 5:23pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
He probably still can’t find a local ’Alfa’ in his area who will help him out. cheesy

He'll be running around right now cheesy
Olu317 gọ̀ gan-an ni

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 5:37pm On Jun 01
rhektor:


Where did I ever claim that you used Ìjẹ̀bú dialect? Is this not the reason I have been calling you a fraud since? Is is that your brain is working backwardly? undecided undecided
Until you have either shown where I have claimed that you used Ìjẹ̀bú dialect or apologize, I won't leave you off this hook. You think that repeating a lie several times will automatically turn it to truth? Kò jọọ́
O ti rugi oyin sẹ́

Cc TAO11
He’s only trying to save face by pretending to be extremely dumb.

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 5:55pm On Jun 01
TAO11:
He’s only trying to save face by pretending to be extremely dumb.

Probably, that's the case because I don't see any reason why someone would be that silly. As in Olu317 behaved like he's the definition of folly

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 4:57pm On Jun 05
TAO11:
A fraud and dullard trying hard to push his already debunked frauds.

You fraudulently claimed that the words Ela, Ala, Ila, Al-Ila, Ellah, etc. are all Arabic words for God.

You were foolish enough to attach a screenshot that debunks your fraudulent claim as attached below.

Your screenshot shows Al-Ilah, your fraud claim says Al-Ila.

You are indeed a disgrace because none of the nonsense you wrote (i.e. Ela, Ala, Ila, Al-Ila, Ellah, etc.) are Arabic words for God.

Cc: rhektor
You are simply a liar and Baba at it, without any sense of reasoning. Ilāh is known to be "God" from the screenshot I posted from Al which means "The".

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 5:09pm On Jun 05
TAO11:
He’s only trying to save face by pretending to be extremely dumb.
There is no face saving but that you are pseudo at many information you posted. Another one . So study more

Furthermore did I conjure Islamic belief or Christianity beliefs in Ẹlà worship ? Of course not. But here you are conjuring information without scholarly written for it imput. So, see how flawful your screenshot is baseless. In which you claim Islam and that I know that Hebrew, christianity do have same.

In Summary of the religious relationship among Ifa, Islam and Christianity:
Abímbọ́lá asserts that the Ìfà divination story “is a type of ‘historical’ poetry.” J. D. Y. Peel offers a more nuanced explanation(1984:113):
Every poem of Ifa is an attempt to narrate, through the peculiar structure of Ifa divination poetry,things which the Ifa priest has been taught to believe actually happened in the past. By narrating these stories of the past, the Ifa priest believes that his client can then pick situations similar to his own and advise himself of the best thing to do in the light of the precedent which has been cited for him.........
But Ifá stories recount the basis of belief in Islam, explain the peculiarities of Christian beliefs, and even divine the significance of the coming of railways, all of which are historical developments that came about after the disappearance of Ọ̀rúnmìlà into the palm tree. That is why I conclude that in Ifá practice the inscription system physically marks what Peel calls the “otherness of the past” and authorizes the relative autonomy of commentary in the form of storytelling (1984:127).




Cheers

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by Olu317(m): 6:07pm On Jun 05
Ifa Priest's translation into "purity" is relating to creating power encoded in the word of God. In which it means to be free of flaws or free of imperfections; unsullied. And mimọ as related to mankind is not free of flaws or imperfections; unsullied.

And that,"Orúnmilà", traditionally from Yoruba's priest's view does not mean what you have claimed that it actually means as, "[b]Heaven knows only those who shall be saved" [/b]through usage of dictionary written by Yoruba Missionaries with little knowledge on Yoruba ancestors traditional names interpretation due to their disconnect as a result of "slavery". Instead,"Orúnmilà is a description of Eledumare's concealed authority(áṣẹ̀) IT swallowed and made manifest through the final state known as Ẹ̀là.


[b]And the word “ Ela” literally means “I am light” from the elision e ala. [/b]The ability to become one with the Spirit of Ela is the ability to use Ori as a portal between the visible world and the invisible world. When an Awo is in an altered state of consciousness the thing that passes between dimensions is pure unformed ase symbolically referred to as ala or white light. As this aṣe comes from Ile Orun to Ile Aiye through the Ori of the diviner, it takes shape and is formed by the ofo ase inherent in the oriki spoken by the diviner while in an altered state of consciousness” (Fatunmbi).

Brief oriki of E-ala:
Ìbà Èlàwòrì. Àgbégi lèré, là'fín ewu l'àdò, ènítì Olódùmaré kó pà'jó e dà,
Òmò Olúworíogbó.
I respect the Spirit of Purity, He who carves the cloth at Ado in the form of a sculpture, the one whose date of death has not been changed by the child of the Chief Priest who made all the Heads that exist in Creation.

Ela omo osin. Ela Omo Oyigiyigi ota omi.
Spirit of Manifestation, child of the Ruler. Spirit of Manifestation, child of the offspring of the Stone in the Water.

Awa di oyigiyigi. A ki o ku wa.
We ourselves become manifestation. The stone that birthed the Spirit of Manifestation will never die.

Ela ro a ki o ku mo, okiribiti. Ela ro (Sokale) Orunko Ifá.
The Spirit of Manifestation has descended to Earth, we die no more. This is the name we give to Destiny.

Entiti ngba ni l'a. Nwon se ebo Ela fun mi.
He is the one who saved us. We have made sacrifice to the Spirit of Manifestation.(Falokun Fatumbi)

conclusion: Kindly lean to learn to know E-ala is perfect without flaws and that Alcoholic drunk Obatala is your assertion and others like you who mixed up religion and political tussle. So , Obatala Orisa nla (Ala )don't love to be given alcohol,since this personality is not human. The arch-divinty is not human as same as the defied human hero "Obatala". So, get your fact correctly or post odù Ifa to that effect or commentary of Yoruba scholars to that effect.

And Àlà and Álaṣọ are not the same because your screenshot itself remained helpless. Áṣọ(cloth)+àlà(white)=Aṣọ Àlà; Álaṣọ àlà ki ilọ joko ni ìsọ epo. Common sense ought work here. So, teach yourself Yoruba language.



*Wait for more*........

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 8:44pm On Jun 05
Don’t trip, I know how to handle fraudulent folks like you.

I have disgraced many fraudulent folks like you who hail from the Edo kingdom of Benin.

Olu317:
There is no face saving but that you are pseudo at many information you posted. Another one . So study more
Before now I thought you were pretending to be dumb.

However, I’m now becoming more convinced that you are actually not pretending. It appears that you’re simply being yourself. In order words that’s who you really are — an extreme ret@rd.

Furthermore did I conjure Islamic belief or Christianity beliefs in Ẹlà worship ? Of course not.
First of all, there is no divinity called Ẹlà in Islam (or even in Christianity). Stop the fraud you janus-faced, pathetic, fatuous liar.

But here you are conjuring information without scholarly written for it imput. So, see how flawful your screenshot is baseless. In which you claim Islam and that I know that Hebrew, christianity do have same.
Yes, I exposed and disgraced you for the fraud that you are.

You had fraudulently claimed that the Yoruba word “àlà” is equivalent to the Arabic name “Allāh”.

I exposed and disgraced you on this by typing out the meanings of these words from their two respective languages. See screenshot to that comment of mine one more time.

I have no regret that I exposed and disgraced you. I am proud that I did.

In Summary of the religious relationship among Ifa, Islam and Christianity:
Abímbọ́lá asserts that the Ìfà divination story “is a type of ‘historical’ poetry.
I’m genuinely searching (within your statement here) for where Wande Abimbola says that the Yoruba word “àlà” is equivalent to the Arabic name “Allāh”. undecided

You’re actually the working definition of a dullard. You are a disgrace.

[On a side note, always remember (going forward) to provide the references whenever you feel the need to cite anyone].

J. D. Y. Peel offers a more nuanced explanation(1984:113) Every poem of Ifa is an attempt to narrate, through the peculiar structure of Ifa divination poetry,things which the Ifa priest has been taught to believe actually happened in the past. By narrating these stories of the past, the Ifa priest believes that his client can then pick situations similar to his own and advise himself of the best thing to do in the light of the precedent which has been cited for him.........

But Ifá stories recount the basis of belief in Islam, explain the peculiarities of Christian beliefs, and even divine the significance of the coming of railways, all of which are historical developments that came about after the disappearance of Ọ̀rúnmìlà into the palm tree. That is why I conclude that in Ifá practice the inscription system physically marks what Peel calls the “otherness of the past” and authorizes the relative autonomy of commentary in the form of storytelling (1984:127).Cheers
This Olu is the actual embodiment of dullard and fraud at the same time. A very pathetic-cum-sorry combination.

First of all, even though you opened this statement with a reference to J.D.Y. Peel, none of the load of statements that follow have anything to do with your fraud.

Your fraudulent idea was that the Yoruba word “àlà” is equivalent to the Arabic name “Allāh”.

This is not supported by the load of statements you copied from wherever — without any quotation of J.Y. Peel’s own words.

Secondly, you sought again (as is your usual style) to deceive your gullible audience into buying your fraud.

You tried this by simply leveraging on the occurrence of the words “Islam” and “Christian belief” in those copied & pasted words.

This is in order to confuse your low-IQ audience into thinking that the Ifá religion is rooted in and/or originated from the Middle East.

However, nothing of such is said or even insinuated by those pile of copied & pasted words. Those words are about stories (found in Ifa poetry).

And these copied & pasted words are not about the origin of Ifá. Rather they are about all the later-day ‘development’ (viz. the emergence of Ibadan city, the coming of Islam, Christianity, Railway, among diverse innumerable subjects.) in Yorubaland.

I would have also expected you to foolishly come to the conclusion that Ifá originated from “railways” just because of its mention alongside Islam, Christianity in those pile of copied & pasted words.

You are a public disgrace Olu317, and I will make this fact become realized by more and more people.

Cheers!

Cc: rhektor

Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 9:00pm On Jun 05
Olu317:
You are simply a liar and Baba at it, without any sense of reasoning. Ilāh is known to be "God" from the screenshot I posted from Al which means "The".
I think you are suffering from severe autism as well as compounded foolishness.

(1) You say Ila means God in Arabic. [FALSE]

(2) I say ’Ilāh means God in Arabic. [TRUE]

See your own WiKiPeDiA screenshot, as attached, for evidence.

Are you telling me that you’re so extremely ret@rded that you actually can’t see the difference between your fraud (Ila), and the real thing (’Ilāh)?? Wow! grin


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PS for the sake of educating sane readers:

The Arabic word “’Ilāh” is the common noun for God.

On the other hand, the Arabic name “’Allāh” is NOT a common noun, but a proper noun for God.

In other words, the English language uses one same word (i.e. “God”) for both the generic sense (common noun) as well as the specific sense (proper noun).

The Arabic language uses two different words (i.e. “’Ilāh” and “’Allāh”) for the generic sense and the specific sense respectively.

On the etymology of the name “’Allāh”, the popular explanation well-know to most lay persons (especially from WiKipEdia) has it that the Arabic name ’Allāh is a combination of two Arabic words, viz. “Al” and “’Ilāh” = Al-‘Ilāh (the God) = God (proper noun).

There are other equally-compelling and some actually more academically compelling explanations. Some of these include the Syriac origin explanation.

Finally, the apparently more correct position is the one recorded by Edward W. Lane on the basis of medieval Arabic dictionaries, and other classical materials. This view states that the word “‘allah” is “not derived”.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 12:36am On Jun 06
First of all I am waiting on you (since about 6 days ago and still counting) to prove your so-called Arabic knowledge by doing the following:

Please write down the Arabic transliteration of the word “TAO” using pen and paper. Snap whatever you wrote and attach it.

Why should it take you even 5 minutes to do this? Yet you’re still struggling to come up with anything since about 6 days ago and still counting.

Olu317:
Ifa Priest's translation into "purity" is relating to creating power encoded in the word of God. In which it means to be free of flaws or free of imperfections; unsullied. And mimọ as related to mankind is not free of flaws or imperfections; unsullied.

And that,"Orúnmilà", traditionally from Yoruba's priest's view does not mean what you have claimed that it actually means as, "[b]Heaven knows only those who shall be saved" [/b]through usage of dictionary written by Yoruba Missionaries with little knowledge on Yoruba ancestors traditional names interpretation due to their disconnect as a result of "slavery". Instead,"Orúnmilà is a description of Eledumare's concealed authority(áṣẹ̀) IT swallowed and made manifest through the final state known as Ẹ̀là.

[b]And the word “ Ela” literally means “I am light” from the elision e ala. [/b]The ability to become one with the Spirit of Ela is the ability to use Ori as a portal between the visible world and the invisible world. When an Awo is in an altered state of consciousness the thing that passes between dimensions is pure unformed ase symbolically referred to as ala or white light. As this aṣe comes from Ile Orun to Ile Aiye through the Ori of the diviner, it takes shape and is formed by the ofo ase inherent in the oriki spoken by the diviner while in an altered state of consciousness” (Fatunmbi).

Brief oriki of E-ala:
Ìbà Èlàwòrì. Àgbégi lèré, là'fín ewu l'àdò, ènítì Olódùmaré kó pà'jó e dà,
Òmò Olúworíogbó.
I respect the Spirit of Purity, He who carves the cloth at Ado in the form of a sculpture, the one whose date of death has not been changed by the child of the Chief Priest who made all the Heads that exist in Creation.

Ela omo osin. Ela Omo Oyigiyigi ota omi.
Spirit of Manifestation, child of the Ruler. Spirit of Manifestation, child of the offspring of the Stone in the Water.

Awa di oyigiyigi. A ki o ku wa.
We ourselves become manifestation. The stone that birthed the Spirit of Manifestation will never die.

Ela ro a ki o ku mo, okiribiti. Ela ro (Sokale) Orunko Ifá.
The Spirit of Manifestation has descended to Earth, we die no more. This is the name we give to Destiny.

Entiti ngba ni l'a. Nwon se ebo Ela fun mi.
He is the one who saved us. We have made sacrifice to the Spirit of Manifestation.(Falokun Fatumbi)

conclusion: Kindly lean to learn to know E-ala is perfect without flaws and that Alcoholic drunk Obatala is your assertion and others like you who mixed up religion and political tussle. So , Obatala Orisa nla (Ala )don't love to be given alcohol,since this personality is not human. The arch-divinty is not human as same as the defied human hero "Obatala". So, get your fact correctly or post odù Ifa to that effect or commentary of Yoruba scholars to that effect.
And Àlà and Álaṣọ are not the same because your screenshot itself remained helpless. Áṣọ(cloth)+àlà(white)=Aṣọ Àlà; Álaṣọ àlà ki ilọ joko ni ìsọ epo. Common sense ought work here. So, teach yourself Yoruba language.

*Wait for more*........
Incoherent jibber-jabber (aimed at face-saving) as is to be expected.

Someone appears to also need tutoring on the English words “clothe” and “cloth” as well as on basic logic.

Olu317 is a pathetic failure. I spit on your head.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 1:48am On Jun 06
TAO11:
First of all I am waiting on you (since about 6 days ago and still counting) to prove your so-called Arabic knowledge by doing the following:

Please write down the Arabic transliteration of the word “TAO” using pen and paper. Snap whatever you wrote and attach it.

Why should it take you even 5 minutes to do this? Yet you’re still struggling to come up with anything since about 6 days ago and still counting.

Incoherent jibber-jabber (aimed at face-saving) as is to be expected.

Someday appears to also need tutoring on the English words “clothe” and “cloth” as well as on basic logic.

Olu317 is a very pathetic failure. I spit on your head.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

What is wrong with Olu317 the fraud again? Olú where have you been to for almost a week lol did you think that being away will exonerate you?

Kò possible

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 1:51am On Jun 06
TAO11:
I think you are suffering from severe autism as well as compounded foolishness.

(1) You say Ila means God in Arabic. [FALSE]

(2) I say ’Ilāh means God in Arabic. [TRUE]

See your own WiKiPeDiA screenshot, as attached, for evidence.

Are you telling me that you’re so extremely slow that you can’t actually see the difference between your fraud (Ila), and the real thing (’Ilāh)?? Wow! grin


——————
PS for the sake of educating sane readers:

The Arabic word “’Ilāh” is the common noun for God.

On the other hand, the Arabic name “’Allāh” is NOT a common noun but a proper noun for God.

In other words, The English language uses the same one word (i.e. “God”) for both the generic sense (common noun) as well as the specific sense (proper noun).

The Arabic language uses two different words (i.e. “’Ilāh” and “’Allāh”) for the generic sense (common noun) and the specific sense (proper noun) respectively.

On the etymology of the name “’Allāh”, a popular explanation (especially on WiKipEdia) has it that the Arabic name ’Allāh is a combination of two Arabic words, viz. “Al” and “’Ilāh” = Al-‘Ilāh (the God) = God.

There are other equally-compelling and some actually more academically compelling explanations on the etymology of this name. Some of these include the Syriac origin explanation.

Finally, the apparently more correct position is that as recorded by Edward William Lane on the basis of Arabic medieval dictionaries. This view states that the word “‘allah” is “not derived”.

Cheers!
Cc: rhektor

That mumu has a very short memory lol cheesy
He lies and forget his own lie grin Olu317 Atúrọ́tà

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 1:59am On Jun 06
TAO11:
Don’t trip, I know how to handle fraudulent folks like you.

I have disgraced many fraudulent folks like you who hail from the Edo kingdom of Benin.

Before now I thought you were pretending to be extremely dumb.

However, I’m now becoming convinced that you’re actually not pretending. It appears that you’re simply being yourself. In order words that’s who you really are — an extreme ret@rd.

First of all, there is no divinity called Ẹlà in Islam (or even in Christianity). Stop the fraud you janus-faced, pathetic, fatuous liar.

Yes, I exposed and disgraced you for the fraud that you are.

You had fraudulently claimed that the Yoruba word “alà” is equivalent to the Arabic name “Allāh”.

I exposed and disgraced you on this by typing out the meanings of these words in from their two respective languages. See screenshot to that comment of mine one more time.

I have no regret that I exposed and disgraced you. I am proud that I did.

I’m genuinely searching (within your statement here) for where Wande Abimbola says that the Yoruba word “alà” is equivalent to the Arabic name “Allāh”. undecided

You’re actually the working definition of a dullard. You are a disgrace.

[On a side note, always remember (going forward) to provide the references whenever you feel the need to cite anyone].

This Olu is the actual embodiment of dullard and fraud at the same time. A very pathetic-cum-sorry combination.

First of all, every though you opened this statement with a reference to J.D.Y. Peel, none of the load of statements that follow have anything to do with your fraud.

Your fraudulent idea was that the Yoruba word “alà” is equivalent to the Arabic name “Allāh”.

This is not supported by the load of statements you copied from wherever — without any quotation of J.Y. Peel’s own words.

Secondly, you sought again (as is your usual style) to deceive your gullible audience into buying your fraud.

You tried this by simply leveraging on the occurrence of the words “Islam” and “Christian belief” in those copied & pasted words.

This is in order to confuse your low-IQ audience into thinking that the Ifá religion is rooted in and/or originated from the Middle East.

However, nothing of such is said or even insinuated by those pile of copied & pasted words. Those words are about stories (found in Ifa poetry).

And these stories statements are not about the origin of Ifá. Rather they are about all the kinds of later-day ‘development’ (viz. the emergence of Ibadan city, the coming of Islam, Christianity, Railway, among diverse innumerable subjects.) in Yorubaland.

I would have also expected you to foolishly come to the conclusion that Ifá originated from “railways” just because of its mention alongside Islam, Christianity.

You are a public disgrace Olu317, and I will make this fact become realized by more and more people.

Cheers!

Cc: rhektor

See the way Olu317 kept doing gymnastics with words grin
The mumu once he sees one word written beside another word will conclude that both comes from the same root, babanla wèrè.
Author: the doctor went home with his Toyota Camry not camel
Olu317: ayas, my readers can you see that the word Camry comes from camel

Orí ń ṣe ọmọ Olu317 yìí, Ọlọ́run ń gbọ́
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 2:04am On Jun 06
Olu317:
There is no face saving but that you are pseudo at many information you posted. Another one . So study more

Furthermore did I conjure Islamic belief or Christianity beliefs in Ẹlà worship ? Of course not. But here you are conjuring information without scholarly written for it imput. So, see how flawful your screenshot is baseless. In which you claim Islam and that I know that Hebrew, christianity do have same.

In Summary of the religious relationship among Ifa, Islam and Christianity:
Abímbọ́lá asserts that the Ìfà divination story “is a type of ‘historical’ poetry.” J. D. Y. Peel offers a more nuanced explanation(1984:113):
Every poem of Ifa is an attempt to narrate, through the peculiar structure of Ifa divination poetry,things which the Ifa priest has been taught to believe actually happened in the past. By narrating these stories of the past, the Ifa priest believes that his client can then pick situations similar to his own and advise himself of the best thing to do in the light of the precedent which has been cited for him.........
But Ifá stories recount the basis of belief in Islam, explain the peculiarities of Christian beliefs, and even divine the significance of the coming of railways, all of which are historical developments that came about after the disappearance of Ọ̀rúnmìlà into the palm tree. That is why I conclude that in Ifá practice the inscription system physically marks what Peel calls the “otherness of the past” and authorizes the relative autonomy of commentary in the form of storytelling (1984:127).




Cheers

Who permitted you to write comments on nairaland when you have not apologized for lying? Ota! Before I open my eyes vamoos, olu the fraud you think I have forgotten about your lies? I promised you that until you apologise for lying you won't rest on this platform

Cc TAO11
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 2:06am On Jun 06
Olu317:
You are simply a liar and Baba at it, without any sense of reasoning. Ilāh is known to be "God" from the screenshot I posted from Al which means "The".


Fraudster! Did you not write Ala = God in Arabic before now? grin
Even with your screenshot
Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by TAO11(f): 2:10am On Jun 06
rhektor:
Fraudster! Did you not write Ala = God in Arabic before now? grin
Even with your screenshot
He has written several things as “God” in Arabic.

He has written Ala, Ela, Ila, Ellah — none of which means “God” in Arabic. NONE.

The Arabic word for God is “Allah” (proper noun sense), and “Ilah” (common noun sense).

Olu317 is just being himself — a fraud and dullard.

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Re: Any One Here Interested In Discussing Yoruba Deities? by rhektor(m): 2:25am On Jun 06
Olu317:
Ifa Priest's translation into "purity" is relating to creating power encoded in the word of God. In which it means to be free of flaws or free of imperfections; unsullied. And mimọ as related to mankind is not free of flaws or imperfections; unsullied.

And that,"Orúnmilà", traditionally from Yoruba's priest's view does not mean what you have claimed that it actually means as, "[b]Heaven knows only those who shall be saved" [/b]through usage of dictionary written by Yoruba Missionaries with little knowledge on Yoruba ancestors traditional names interpretation due to their disconnect as a result of "slavery". Instead,"Orúnmilà is a description of Eledumare's concealed authority(áṣẹ̀) IT swallowed and made manifest through the final state known as Ẹ̀là.


[b]And the word “ Ela” literally means “I am light” from the elision e ala. [/b]The ability to become one with the Spirit of Ela is the ability to use Ori as a portal between the visible world and the invisible world. When an Awo is in an altered state of consciousness the thing that passes between dimensions is pure unformed ase symbolically referred to as ala or white light. As this aṣe comes from Ile Orun to Ile Aiye through the Ori of the diviner, it takes shape and is formed by the ofo ase inherent in the oriki spoken by the diviner while in an altered state of consciousness” (Fatunmbi).

Brief oriki of E-ala:
Ìbà Èlàwòrì. Àgbégi lèré, là'fín ewu l'àdò, ènítì Olódùmaré kó pà'jó e dà,
Òmò Olúworíogbó.
I respect the Spirit of Purity, He who carves the cloth at Ado in the form of a sculpture, the one whose date of death has not been changed by the child of the Chief Priest who made all the Heads that exist in Creation.

Ela omo osin. Ela Omo Oyigiyigi ota omi.
Spirit of Manifestation, child of the Ruler. Spirit of Manifestation, child of the offspring of the Stone in the Water.

Awa di oyigiyigi. A ki o ku wa.
We ourselves become manifestation. The stone that birthed the Spirit of Manifestation will never die.

Ela ro a ki o ku mo, okiribiti. Ela ro (Sokale) Orunko Ifá.
The Spirit of Manifestation has descended to Earth, we die no more. This is the name we give to Destiny.

Entiti ngba ni l'a. Nwon se ebo Ela fun mi.
He is the one who saved us. We have made sacrifice to the Spirit of Manifestation.(Falokun Fatumbi)

conclusion: Kindly lean to learn to know E-ala is perfect without flaws and that Alcoholic drunk Obatala is your assertion and others like you who mixed up religion and political tussle. So , Obatala Orisa nla (Ala )don't love to be given alcohol,since this personality is not human. The arch-divinty is not human as same as the defied human hero "Obatala". So, get your fact correctly or post odù Ifa to that effect or commentary of Yoruba scholars to that effect.

And Àlà and Álaṣọ are not the same because your screenshot itself remained helpless. Áṣọ(cloth)+àlà(white)=Aṣọ Àlà; Álaṣọ àlà ki ilọ joko ni ìsọ epo. Common sense ought work here. So, teach yourself Yoruba language.



*Wait for more*........

You're back with your gibberish again. Firstly, where is the apology assignment I gave you? undecided
I also told you that you should go and learn how to apply diacritics, I thought you went away learning neve knew you'd come back dumber cheesy
How on earth did Ẹ̀là become Àlà and then automatically transformed into E -ala? Just how, Olu317 is it ment, or crack?
You want to squiz in Allah again right?
When will you learn to apply things where they belong?
Anyway, I won't stop until your head is correct

Cc TAO11

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