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Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 1:21pm On Jun 11
LordReed:


As far as the Abrahamic god is concerned there is nothing to be open minded about. That god doesn't exist period. On the other hand, I am open minded about the general concept we describe as gods.
I like this bro. Nice.
Exactly what I am saying. Yes, the Abrahamic God is nothing to you. I do not dispute it. And I am not trying to convince you. We can discuss science, logic, reasoning, etc ....anytime. That's me. Except you vexed me in other area and i "pepper" you. Lol. Even I do it with my own siblings. Lol. You know when you just deliberately pinch the person. I have done it to some people here also. Lol.

Now talking about the concept we describe as gods, I have some ideas but I do not know exactly what you want to know. If you reside in Lagos, or any SW, the one which is scientific with deep knowledge is called "Ifa". And I got to knw about it even in Europe. Imagine, it was right in my nation and I paid no attention until oyinbo man who is cra.zy with science started drawing lines and doing "abrakatabra" and telling me the meanings. But I after few research, I stopped cos i realised it would lead to deep dark spot. Some say the end is light, but I didnt want to take such risk. I pulled out fast.

Then, there are those who read stars. Very common. There are dangerous books around. The internet is a place one can find everything.

I have even sat down with white muslims and they showed me some stuff in Quran. Mysteries.

Bro, my advise is that you should not wait for anyone to prove anything to you. That you do not believe God of Abraham or some other gods does not affect anyone. It is the pure truth. But if you think there is a sort of emptiness in you and you know it needs to be filled, you are after knowledge. And you have stated it that you want to pursue the concepts of gods.

So, start studying them. I am sure you are smart enough to not fall into 419. Lol. With some of your posts I have read. You are Jackie Chan. Lol. You cannot be easily manipulated. Lol.

But mark my words. You will return to that God of Abraham. You will see Him in a different dimension. Just mark my words. Or you may not return, you might belong somewhere, but you know that the God of Abraham is the most powerful. But where you get hooked up, you cannot leave. And all you do is hope. And they will keep giving you hope that the God of Abraham will fall. But na wash. From what I have seen so far, this is the plain truth.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 10:44pm On Jun 11
God? Well, that is what Oyibos put in the Bible for us as the name of the Creator

Sit down
Look around the world
The moon, sun, stars , mountains, hills, waterfalls and all beautiful things in the world today
Did they create themselves?
Can the universe create such things?
Can't you see that all these are the handiwork of a great master planner, a powerful Architect who sat down and put all these together?

We human beings have a time to come to earth and a time to die
The sun, moon and stars have a time to come out and a time to sleep

Can't you see that all these and we obey an order from a higher entity above all?
If the Creator open your eyes, you will see that nature and all things praise him in their own tongues they only understand.

The holy book even says
The heavens(nature) declare the glory of their Creator. They show his glory to us in the world. That is ...if you need to understand the Creator, look at nature. They always have an answer for you.

Anthiests Repent! Theirs no time!
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by HellVictorinho(m): 1:09am On Jun 12
PeaceJoyLove:

I like this bro. Nice.
Exactly what I am saying. Yes, the Abrahamic God is nothing to you. I do not dispute it. And I am not trying to convince you. We can discuss science, logic, reasoning, etc ....anytime. That's me. Except you vexed me in other area and i "pepper" you. Lol. Even I do it with my own siblings. Lol. You know when you just deliberately pinch the person. I have done it to some people here also. Lol.

Now talking about the concept we describe as gods, I have some ideas but I do not know exactly what you want to know. If you reside in Lagos, or any SW, the one which is scientific with deep knowledge is called "Ifa". And I got to knw about it even in Europe. Imagine, it was right in my nation and I paid no attention until oyinbo man who is cra.zy with science started drawing lines and doing "abrakatabra" and telling me the meanings. But I after few research, I stopped cos i realised it would lead to deep dark spot. Some say the end is light, but I didnt want to take such risk. I pulled out fast.

Then, there are those who read stars. Very common. There are dangerous books around. The internet is a place one can find everything.

I have even sat down with white muslims and they showed me some stuff in Quran. Mysteries.

Bro, my advise is that you should not wait for anyone to prove anything to you. That you do not believe God of Abraham or some other gods does not affect anyone. It is the pure truth. But if you think there is a sort of emptiness in you and you know it needs to be filled, you are after knowledge. And you have stated it that you want to pursue the concepts of gods.

So, start studying them. I am sure you are smart enough to not fall into 419. Lol. With some of your posts I have read. You are Jackie Chan. Lol. You cannot be easily manipulated. Lol.

But mark my words. You will return to that God of Abraham. You will see Him in a different dimension. Just mark my words. Or you may not return, you might belong somewhere, but you know that the God of Abraham is the most powerful. But where you get hooked up, you cannot leave. And all you do is hope. And they will keep giving you hope that the God of Abraham will fall. But na wash. From what I have seen so far, this is the plain truth.

The word 'God" doesn't refer to anything that really exists with a specific form.


What they call dark matter is just another group of ageless indivisible objects!!!!

The universe is just another group of ageless indivisible objects!!!!!
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by 1Sharon(f): 4:01am On Jun 12
khia:


He said God "Doesn't Not" using a double negative which cancelled out what he meant to say and implies that he does exists.

Clearly a grammatical error, you're reaching.

It's just like say i dindu nuffin
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 5:11am On Jun 12
bobestman:
God? Well, that is what Oyibos put in the Bible for us as the name of the Creator

Sit down
Look around the world
The moon, sun, stars , mountains, hills, waterfalls and all beautiful things in the world today
Did they create themselves?
Can the universe create such things?
Can't you see that all these are the handiwork of a great master planner, a powerful Architect who sat down and put all these together?

We human beings have a time to come to earth and a time to die
The sun, moon and stars have a time to come out and a time to sleep

Can't you see that all these and we obey an order from a higher entity above all?
If the Creator open your eyes, you will see that nature and all things praise him in their own tongues they only understand.

The holy book even says
The heavens(nature) declare the glory of their Creator. They show his glory to us in the world. That is ...if you need to understand the Creator, look at nature. They always have an answer for you.

Anthiests Repent! Theirs no time!
You words arent the best way to talk to athiest. Bro, I am a Christian. Most of the guys and gals here who have changed to atheism are not too deep in it. They are still in Nigeria. I can assure you this. Only those who are abroad might be deep. You cannot be in Nigeria and not still have the feeling of emptiness. But the truth be told God is not operating opening presently like before. Call God when He can answer says the Bible. Meaning you can call God genuinely and He will stay silent. So, how do you prove a silent God?

You cannot control God. You cannot command Him. So, let your words be soft. They have their own convincing answers to the universe. I think you are the one who hasn't questioned the reality of the existence of God. If you had, you wouldn't write this.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 6:29am On Jun 12
HellVictorinho:


The word 'God" doesn't refer to anything that really exists with a specific form.


What they call dark matter is just another group of ageless indivisible objects!!!!

The universe is just another group of ageless indivisible objects!!!!!
The underlined words may be right. Lol. I also believe He is formless. Lol. Whatever these physical eyes cannot see is formless. You are perfectly right sir.

I am not aware of dark matters.

The universe will continue to be ageless as long as there is no end to it. You do not have the proof that it will continue to exist forever. You cannot prove it. But based on what you know so far, it is ageless..I agree with you.

Bro, the above are logical statements which I dont dispute. They are reasonings which are correct.

Please, leave aside this attitude of writing like this. If you do not agree with theists, you really dont need to attack or write the above. Just focus on your style. But you always want to "pinch" theists to talk so you can trouble them.. grin

Anyway, the way to prove God is personal. See, I dont respond to comments like yours, but I have the "go ahead" to this time again. You cannot find God in logic and reasoning, so there is no point to debate with you cos it's the approach you want to use. You will counter everything I say, yet you will not be able to disprove His existence, and I will not be able to prove his existence. You have been arguing here since heaven knows, yet you cannot disprove His existence. What you always do is to counter theists. And opposing theists does not disprove the existence of God. These are points you should take note.

Most great Atheists are mostly silent. Why? They cannot still disprove the existence of God convincingly. They start explaining some huge scientific jargons, at the end of the day, everything is meaningless. Hawking wrote so much that he accepted later they are too advance. The man was a lunatic and i have a feeling he realised it later that he wrote too much and too meaningless. grin

But you are in Naija na. Leave God aside for now, let's move on to topics you can relate with.

A living example is Prof Wole Soyinka. You dont know 1/100 of what he knows. Yet, he talks about deities these days, unlike in those days he was a pure atheist,though was born into a Christian strong home. But he worships a god and recognizes many gods. And recently, Soyinka doesnt say there is no God. It is deep.

Bro, you are in Naija, you see how Aso Rock is. Rituals going here and there. Even on the front page of NL, and you dont try to even research why these people are making rituals. You are so careless. Extremely careless. How can you be in Nigeria and you say whatever is without form is what gives you assurance there is no God? What a pity? Na grammar you dey blow. Wake up boy. Is it until they use one of yours and the next month, the fellow who uses your own starts controlling huge resources and a huge empire your brain will be reformatted? Or maybe it is you who will start laboring in the land of the dead, hustling money out of CBN for those ritualistic soon. Lol. Dont worry, you will understand soon by the time your soul continuously brings money out for them from the land of the dead to living. Yours will be "Hustle Agreessively in Death" and not "Rest in Peace". God forbid. I pray it doesnt happen to you.

Leave book, logic, and reasoning aside. If you want us to discuss reasoning, philosophy and logic, I swear you cannot defeat me. I will beat you hands down. But I went beyond those when I was hungry for the truth. And I returned home.

Well, if you cannot step back and review all what is around you, you are a careless human. And I am telling you, your kind of person cannot step into any leadership position in this nation. You are a very careless human. Take it or leave it from me.

So, with all the news, calamities, dangerous occurrences, etc, you are still talking logic, reasoning and bla bla bla. You are careless bro. You better wake up. You are de.ad spiritually. I know you will return to give more logics which I will not respond to. I have read your posts and LordReed's. That guy is sound in logic and reasoning too. But read what he has just posted recently. He said he is opened to the ideas of gods here. Why? He is not too careless like you. Stop going too deep to look for the truth. Start with your environment.

You have been hearing about TB Joshua. Men who are great are talking about him. The opened ocultic men, fake and genuine bishops, pastors, muslims etc. are talking about him. Everyone is talking about him. Bro, TB made the lame walk. Confirmed. Listen, more whites are in his church. From Israel, Holland, US, UK, etc. They flew to his church on Sundays. His church attracts more tourists than any organisation or any tourist center in Nigeria (confirmed by the Nigerian government). More foreigners came to Nigeria because of him. Listen to me, it's only very few miracles he didnt do. Like some HIV victims died, and those media people louded them. But what about the genuine ones? I know that some rules were not followed and that was the reason those ones were not cured. Many real HIV were cured. Confirmed. Many lame walked ... confirmed. Many blind eyes were opened....confirmed.

It is why I said you are careless. If you are not careful, you would have checked him out thoroughly, maybe you would have gone there to observe. But no matter how someone is powerful as long as he is not God, there will be errors and mistakes.

TB Joshua is in this Nigeria, and you are not careful enough to check him. You dont even care. Lol. I am sure you will say rubbish again here. Your reasonings and logics are rubbish. Childish and useless. You want to use force or Big bang to explain God and the universe. grin Reed is getting it. He asked: Are we looking in the wrong places? Of course yes. He has been looking in the wrong places. You are in Nigeria and you allowed yourself to be lured deeply into logic and reasoning, and you come out on NL everytime boldly to tackle baby christians here. No strong christian will ever engage you. Even strong muslims will not. Cos they know you are careless. How can you be in Nigeria and be typing logic and reasoning recklessly? I pity you. Please, I respond to people with brains. Not everyone who is smart and brilliant is with a working brain. I mean how can you leave your other senses and just rely on logic, reasoning, and science, yet you live in Nigeria. You are a careless man. Its is as simple as ABC..

https://allafrica.com/stories/200812230193.html
These men in the above link are awarded nationally for their spiritual works. Who awarded them? Politicians. Yaradua ooo. A Nigerian Muslim president. You better wake up. You are too careless. Maybe you should go into politics, then that veil in your eyes will be torn opened. I mean, how can you be in Nigeria and be stupid enough to be talking logic and reasoning alone. Are you OK?

Picture below says it all. Just google it and you see proofs. So, he deceived Nigerians without brains, and still deceived whites all around the world too, even deceived presidents of many nations. You need to check yourself. You are a careless human being. Extremely careless.

A man who travelled to Mexico, Ghana, Israel, Peru, Columbia, Paraguay, Korea, Australia, Indonesia and performed miracles. His crusades are attended by 100,000+ and even up to 200,000+. The Paraguay parliaments awarded him openly. A man who presidents of nations met as guest of honor at their airports and sent him off with huge parties. So, he went there to deceive them too. Oh! He went there to plan with them all. I will not discuss his exploits in West Africa in details cos they are too numerous. Listen boy, I am not saying he is real or fake (it's not the subject here). Even he is fake, he did those things real life. So, can you not use your brain?

Who are you? Can you compare your level of logic and reasoning with the Paraguay parliament members who awarded him? Can you compare yourself with the president of Ghana who used to consult him when he was alive? He was eventually accused of killing that great Ghanian president. Heaven knows the truth. You are still a kid. What do you know?

HellVictor or whoever you are, think. Grow up! Check facts at least this time for once in your life, and stop allowing yourself to be manipulated. Stop sitting alone on your desk and waging war via your keyboard against christians. Logic, reasoning, and science alone cannot give you answers. Grow up!

Goodluck!

Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by khia: 8:02am On Jun 12
1Sharon:


Clearly a grammatical error, you're reaching.

It's just like say i dindu nuffin

I know what it is that's why I stated what I did. Your sentence cancels out each other as well, so what's your point? You're the one who's reaching just to reply on my comment. I don't deal with your ignorance anymore so just keep it moving
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by Casham: 8:43am On Jun 12
@PeaceJoyLove I've never seen your posts, but I think you just described me. I have been a bible teacher for a long time, but right now, I am just not into all that "God" thing. Sometimes I feel "God" is really just a "Wish". Most times I just don't bother. I really don't see God in any of the religions I came across. I feel like 'there should be God or gods, but like all these religions are choking Him or them. I really don't blame any person; in the end, we are all just human looking for answers. I really feel like I can't find God without some help from Him. I see some traces of what I can call "God" in the bible, but I really have issues with the book as a whole. You try expressing your thoughts out loud and every body call you names or condemn you to hell. God knows I am an honest searcher. THERE SHOULD BE GOD. Some times I feel like He's just playing games with us to see who can excape from this cocoon of religious blankets to truly find him. I have broken free from the fear of a hell. I am just me now.

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Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by HellVictorinho(m): 9:25am On Jun 12
PeaceJoyLove:

The underlined words may be right. Lol. I also believe He is formless. Lol. Whatever these physical eyes cannot see is formless. You are perfectly right sir.

I am not aware of dark matters.

The universe will continue to be ageless as long as there is no end to it. You do not have the proof that it will continue to exist forever. You cannot prove it. But based on what you know so far, it is ageless..I agree with you.

Bro, the above are logical statements which I dont dispute. They are reasonings which are correct.

Please, leave aside this attitude of writing like this. If you do not agree with theists, you really dont need to attack or write the above. Just focus on your style. But you always want to "pinch" theists to talk so you can trouble them.. grin

Anyway, the way to prove God is personal. See, I dont respond to comments like yours, but I have the "go ahead" to this time again. You cannot find God in logic and reasoning, so there is no point to debate with you cos it's the approach you want to use. You will counter everything I say, yet you will not be able to disprove His existence, and I will not be able to prove his existence. You have been arguing here since heaven knows, yet you cannot disprove His existence. What you always do is to counter theists. And opposing theists does not disprove the existence of God. These are points you should take note.

Most great Atheists are mostly silent. Why? They cannot still disprove the existence of God convincingly. They start explaining some huge scientific jargons, at the end of the day, everything is meaningless. Hawking wrote so much that he accepted later they are too advance. The man was a lunatic and i have a feeling he realised it later that he wrote too much and too meaningless. grin

But you are in Naija na. Leave God aside for now, let's move on to topics you can relate with.

A living example is Prof Wole Soyinka. You dont know 1/100 of what he knows. Yet, he talks about deities these days, unlike in those days he was a pure atheist,though was born into a Christian strong home. But he worships a god and recognizes many gods. And recently, Soyinka doesnt say there is no God. It is deep.

Bro, you are in Naija, you see how Aso Rock is. Rituals going here and there. Even on the front page of NL, and you dont try to even research why these people are making rituals. You are so careless. Extremely careless. How can you be in Nigeria and you say whatever is without form is what gives you assurance there is no God? What a pity? Na grammar you dey blow. Wake up boy. Is it until they use one of yours and the next month, the fellow who uses your own starts controlling huge resources and a huge empire your brain will be reformatted? Or maybe it is you who will start laboring in the land of the dead, hustling money out of CBN for those ritualistic soon. Lol. Dont worry, you will understand soon by the time your soul continuously brings money out for them from the land of the dead to living. Yours will be "Hustle Agreessively in Death" and not "Rest in Peace". God forbid. I pray it doesnt happen to you.

Leave book, logic, and reasoning aside. If you want us to discuss reasoning, philosophy and logic, I swear you cannot defeat me. I will beat you hands down. But I went beyond those when I was hungry for the truth. And I returned home.

Well, if you cannot step back and review all what is around you, you are a careless human. And I am telling you, your kind of person cannot step into any leadership position in this nation. You are a very careless human. Take it or leave it from me.

So, with all the news, calamities, dangerous occurrences, etc, you are still talking logic, reasoning and bla bla bla. You are careless bro. You better wake up. You are de.ad spiritually. I know you will return to give more logics which I will not respond to. I have read your posts and LordReed's. That guy is sound in logic and reasoning too. But read what he has just posted recently. He said he is opened to the ideas of gods here. Why? He is not too careless like you. Stop going too deep to look for the truth. Start with your environment.

You have been hearing about TB Joshua. Men who are great are talking about him. The opened ocultic men, fake and genuine bishops, pastors, muslims etc. are talking about him. Everyone is talking about him. Bro, TB made the lame walk. Confirmed. Listen, more whites are in his church. From Israel, Holland, US, UK, etc. They flew to his church on Sundays. His church attracts more tourists than any organisation or any tourist center in Nigeria (confirmed by the Nigerian government). More foreigners came to Nigeria because of him. Listen to me, it's only very few miracles he didnt do. Like some HIV victims died, and those media people louded them. But what about the genuine ones? I know that some rules were not followed and that was the reason those ones were not cured. Many real HIV were cured. Confirmed. Many lame walked ... confirmed. Many blind eyes were opened....confirmed.

It is why I said you are careless. If you are not careful, you would have checked him out thoroughly, maybe you would have gone there to observe. But no matter how someone is powerful as long as he is not God, there will be errors and mistakes.

TB Joshua is in this Nigeria, and you are not careful enough to check him. You dont even care. Lol. I am sure you will say rubbish again here. Your reasonings and logics are rubbish. Childish and useless. You want to use force or Big bang to explain God and the universe. grin Reed is getting it. He asked: Are we looking in the wrong places? Of course yes. He has been looking in the wrong places. You are in Nigeria and you allowed yourself to be lured deeply into logic and reasoning, and you come out on NL everytime boldly to tackle baby christians here. No strong christian will ever engage you. Even strong muslims will not. Cos they know you are careless. How can you be in Nigeria and be typing logic and reasoning recklessly? I pity you. Please, I respond to people with brains. Not everyone who is smart and brilliant is with a working brain. I mean how can you leave your other senses and just rely on logic, reasoning, and science, yet you live in Nigeria. You are a careless man. Its is as simple as ABC..

https://allafrica.com/stories/200812230193.html
These men in the above link are awarded nationally for their spiritual works. Who awarded them? Politicians. Yaradua ooo. A Nigerian Muslim president. You better wake up. You are too careless. Maybe you should go into politics, then that veil in your eyes will be torn opened. I mean, how can you be in Nigeria and be stupid enough to be talking logic and reasoning alone. Are you OK?

Picture below says it all. Just google it and you see proofs. So, he deceived Nigerians without brains, and still deceived whites all around the world too, even deceived presidents of many nations. You need to check yourself. You are a careless human being. Extremely careless.

A man who travelled to Mexico, Ghana, Israel, Peru, Columbia, Paraguay, Korea, Australia, Indonesia and performed miracles. His crusades are attended by 100,000+ and even up to 200,000+. The Paraguay parliaments awarded him openly. A man who presidents of nations met as guest of honor at their airports and sent him off with huge parties. So, he went there to deceive them too. Oh! He went there to plan with them all. I will not discuss his exploits in West Africa in details cos they are too numerous. Listen boy, I am not saying he is real or fake (it's not the subject here). Even he is fake, he did those things real life. So, can you not use your brain?

Who are you? Can you compare your level of logic and reasoning with the Paraguay parliament members who awarded him? Can you compare yourself with the president of Ghana who used to consult him when he was alive? He was eventually accused of killing that great Ghanian president. Heaven knows the truth. You are still a kid. What do you know?

HellVictor or whoever you are, think. Grow up! Check facts at least this time for once in your life, and stop allowing yourself to be manipulated. Stop sitting alone on your desk and waging war via your keyboard against christians. Logic, reasoning, and science alone cannot give you answers. Grow up!

Goodluck!

I don't need your praise.
I don't need you to agree.
It doesn't matter if you think I'm right or wrong,careful or careless,wise or foolish,etc.
What you think about me doesn't matter.
You are not the first person to use derogatory language towards me but your thoughts about me will end up in the dustbin which I have in my head.
You can't defeat me by calling me names because that is not how to defeat someone in a debate!!!
You can't defeat me with false accusations, baseless comparisons and analogies!!
You can't defeat me by just claiming to know what I don't know!!!
You cannot defeat me by repeating the same thing like budaatum!!!
Look!!!!!
I never said the universe is ageless!!!!
The universe is just another arrangement of ageless indivisible objects.
These objects are always moving so they keep forming different patterns/arrangements.
The universe is actually one of the patterns.
The universe is not the only pattern.
Nothing can't exist because the absence of what scientists can measure with the technology they have is not nothing.
In other words,there is always something whether or not scientists can carry out experiments with it.
Scientists discover the properties/characteristics of things by chance.
There is no limit to what exists and the properties of what exists.
But anything that exists is either an object with a specific form or a characteristic or an effect or a performance or an event to be ascribed to an object with a specific form.
Therefore ,I don't have to disprove the existence of God !!!!!
It is you that has to determine how God can exist !!!!!!!
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by HellVictorinho(m): 9:30am On Jun 12
Casham:
@PeaceJoyLove I've never seen your posts, but I think you just described me. I have been a bible teacher for a long time, but right now, I am just not into all that "God" thing. Sometimes I feel "God" is really just a "Wish". Most times I just don't bother. I really don't see God in any of the religions I came across. I feel like 'there should be God or gods, but like all these religions are choking Him or them. I really don't blame any person; in the end, we are all just human looking for answers. I really feel like I can't find God without some help from Him. I see some traces of what I can call "God" in the bible, but I really have issues with the book as a whole. You try expressing your thoughts out loud and every body call you names or condemn you to hell. God knows I am an honest searcher. THERE SHOULD BE GOD. Some times I feel like He's just playing games with us to see who can excape from this cocoon of religious blankets to truly find him. I have broken free from the fear of a hell. I am just me now.

You can't find what doesn't exist
You said there should be God but you can't determine how God can exist.

Why should God exist when you can't determine how God can exist?
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 9:55am On Jun 12
PeaceJoyLove:

You words arent the best way to talk to athiest. Bro, I am a Christian. Most of the guys and gals here who have changed to atheism are not too deep in it. They are still in Nigeria. I can assure you this. Only those who are abroad might be deep. You cannot be in Nigeria and not still have the feeling of emptiness. But the truth be told God is not operating opening presently like before. Call God when He can answer says the Bible. Meaning you can call God genuinely and He will stay silent. So, how do you prove a silent God?


You cannot control God. You cannot command Him. So, let your words be soft. They have their own convincing answers to the universe. I think you are the one who hasn't questioned the reality of the existence of God. If you had, you wouldn't write this.

It's like you don't understand my comment. It's better you read again. You don't teach such people by insulting them cos they have their own answers to questions. Many of them are also into that mess cos of what they experienced. Have you seen someone who became an atheist cos he watched his sister fall very sick. He spent his money, prayed, fast and went to spiritual prayer houses but still lost her. So He concluded that there is no Creator(I don't use the word God cos if I tell you how they put it in the book you will not understand).

Many of them believe in nature or call on the universe. You need to open their eyes to see that those things were created by someone and also obey that person. So my comments is to help them see that these things they trust in also worship the Creator. That's a perfect way to help them understand. If you try to teach these people by insulting them you are wasting your time. They will insult back and your teaching will not make any sense to them.

I didn't see where I try to command or control God in my comment biko. You said I have not questioned the existence of God. Do I look like an atheist to you?

Do you know who God is?
Have you seen him?
Do you think it's by bearing voices or by reading Bible?
God is not different from god. There are many of them up there decieving many people. That's why God look silent to you and those who insult him
The world today is ruled by the wicked one
When the Creator intervenes in the affairs of this world you will know. It's by cleansing, purging, pruning and judgement like you see today. But he will sound a warning before he chooses to judge anyone. There will be a time for everyone to truly repent including you and me. Cos the true way was corrupted to another thing. What we follow today is not what truly happened. So there will be a correction first.

People not calling on your God or Jesus doesn't mean that they are not spiritual. The bible you read was copied from somewhere and those names is not in the original script. All they need to do is to believe that their is a Creator no matter what they call it and He has a son who will rule this world one day.

The problem you Christians make is that you all think that everything work only in your religion. If people don't believe in your God and Jesus they are damned. To you guys God and Jesus is a Christian and everyone must become a Christian. That is error sister
The Creator gave no one any religion. The Messiah taught his people to return to the Covenant they made with their Creator. He taught people to be righteous and abstain from all evil. Many people have their own way of calling the Creator of all things. It in the time of correction that everything will be clear. Many things you people do in your religion are lies but you don't know. What everyone needs now is to believe in the Creator, His son no matter what they call him, follow after righteousness and abstain from all evil and they won't go wrong
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 10:38am On Jun 12
Casham:
@PeaceJoyLove I've never seen your posts, but I think you just described me. I have been a bible teacher for a long time, but right now, I am just not into all that "God" thing. Sometimes I feel "God" is really just a "Wish". Most times I just don't bother. [b]I really don't see God in any of the religions I came across. [/u] I feel like 'there should be God or gods, but like all these religions are choking Him or them. I really don't blame any person; in the end, we are all just human looking for answers. I really feel like I can't find God without some help from Him. I see some traces of what I can call "God" in the bible, but I really have issues with the book as a whole. You try expressing your thoughts out loud and every body call you names or condemn you to hell. God knows I am an honest searcher. THERE SHOULD BE GOD. Some times I feel like He's just playing games with us to see who can excape from this cocoon of religious blankets to truly find him. I have broken free from the fear of a hell. I am just me now.

My brother, please, do not engage that guy who called you out now. He wanted to debate with me, but he didnt expect the answer he got. And his last words are their words here: I have to prove to him God exists. Lol. Please, don't fall into the trap of a useless and endless debate with him. I have told him what he needs to hear. And goodluck to him. If He says God doesnt exist, goodluck to him. Who am I to convince him? Yet, he is in Nigeria. You see, some people deliberately become st.upid. The Bible called them fo.olish because a reasonable person will always think deep. I didn't even preach the existence of God to him. Cos He will need to search for God to see Him. The principle is simple: No one can search God for any other person. The Bible says: Search God when you can find Him. It is his cup of tea if he continues roaming about NL debating the existence of God instead of searching the truth himself. Lol. Leave him alone oooo. Let him be a NL wanderer.

I was in your situation some years back. It was a deep dark hole. Really, I am still looking for more answers, but I am beyond questioning the existence of God. You are making progress.

Bro, I am scared of leading you through the path I took to find God because you may get lost. Oh Boy! I searched for answers. So, I cannot advise you to follow anyone to lead you to find God. 99.9999% are fake. Before you find a real man of God. Hmmmm. But the real people of God one has access to are ordinary and might be poor people in the house of God we dont take note of. Those ones can pray hard, but you won't know. One will be looking for fluent speakers. Na lie. Those ones are pastorpreneurs as one Max called them. Lol.

God is silent now but He still speaks. This is the truth. And you must locate Him. It is a deep search. I am confident that most churches out there are not doing the perfect will of God. Even those pastors do not know God well.

But there is a principle I will give you. Here is it: Start with the law of Sowing and Reaping. What most people look for outside is money. Look for that in God. It is a principle I am 100% sure of that works till date. Pick 10 people in a responsible place, that you have access to, and bless them money. I suggest in your church if you still go to church. If you dont attend church again, start attending one. Look for their headquarters or regional headbranches where no one knows you, and where congregations are many so they do not start disturbing you to join groups, and start "tasking you". You know na....they start asking you to contribute this and that in those small churches...lol. Go to where you get in and get out in peace. You may want to say prayers for God's direction. Look for older people. But make sure you have access to them again. It may be monthly gift, every Sunday gift. You can even start with just 2 people.

When you find a fertile land, you will start prospering. Mark my words. Things will change for you. Take note of the fertile land. Who among them? One, two, or three? If more than one, engage such person(s) in discussion. Try to know the person(s) more. You may be shocked the extent of the prayer life of such. Such person has a good star. And the star is still shining. Brother, let the person carry you along. Do more good to the person. Deliberately pay more attention to the welfare of the person. There is tendency the person will show you God. It may be power transfer. Yes, power transfer is real.

But then the truth of the matter is this: there is no substitute to prayer and fasting, and observing a quiet time every morning. Then, you must be filled with the Holy Spirit. The start is the hardest. But after keying into God, bros....that is it.

If I tell you RCCG, House on the Rock, Or Winners, or MFM, or wherever is where you go, hmmm. Even in these churches, they use juju on themselves to get positions, contracts, or be promoted. Nepotism is there...even rampant. So, I cannot advise you that. I am not saying the churches mentioned or not mentioned are bad. I'm talking generally. Just find a living church you are directed to. The best way I can advise you is what I have written up. Why? Cos you feel you need help and you cannot do it alone. I cannot tell you how to find a genuine spirit filled man or woman of God, but I can show you a good person. And that's the method. If you find him or her and for her to still have her stars intact in this present Nigeria, then, know that there is a power backing him/her. This is the pure truth.

As you grow in the LORD, and your eyes are opened, you dont even need to labor too much to know who is who. You see it instantly. There are people who see demons following people, and they see guardian angels too. Some people hear voices which direct them. All these things are true.

Bro, many travel at night. Not everyone who lie down sleeps ooo. When the night is silent is when some start their activities, and when some travel. This life is deep.

I read many bible quotations in this forum, and even logic and reasoning words. Do all these stuff make sense to you? They quote King James... "thou thou thou" shalt not whatever. Does it make sense to you? A beg....gie! Let them say it in "pigin Engris" we understand and show us practical example applicable and meaning to us. Nope. They will be quoting nonsense. But my words are meaningful to you without a single Bible verse quotation. Yes, cos I speak in plain language you understand.

After having strong evidence there is God, and you are back to Him (you may still not have close contact to Him cos He does as He will, He will not talk directly to everyone, but He will quench your hunger, and you will see signs of His existence), then run after knowledge. If you run after knowledge before knowing God, you may slip into deep ocultic stuff you will regret later and you cant get out for eternity. Those who are into the stuff can see God, but they arent on His side. The only hopeless hope they have is that God can be defeated so the prophesies of the end time will not come to pass. That's their mission. And they are working tirelessly. So, do not make the mistake of slipping into deep occultism while searching for God.

So, leave the logic and reasoning man above alone. Let him be fighting himself cos I will not respond.

Goodluck brother!

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Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 10:52am On Jun 12
bobestman:


It's like you don't understand my comment. It's better you read again. You don't teach such people by insulting them cos they have their own answers to questions. Many of them are also into that mess cos of what they experienced. Have you seen someone who became an atheist cos he watched his sister fall very sick. He spent his money, prayed, fast and went to spiritual prayer houses but still lost her. So He concluded that there is no Creator(I don't use the word God cos if I tell you how they put it in the book you will not understand).

Many of them believe in nature or call on the universe. You need to open their eyes to see that those things were created by someone and also obey that person. So my comments is to help them see that these things they trust in also worship the Creator. That's a perfect way to help them understand. If you try to teach these people by insulting them you are wasting your time. They will insult back and your teaching will not make any sense to them.

I didn't see where I try to command or control God in my comment biko. You said I have not questioned the existence of God. Do I look like an atheist to you?

Do you know who God is?
Have you seen him?
Do you think it's by bearing voices or by reading Bible?
God is not different from god. There are many of them up there decieving many people. That's why God look silent to you and those who insult him
The world today is ruled by the wicked one
When the Creator intervenes in the affairs of this world you will know. It's by cleansing, purging, pruning and judgement like you see today. But he will sound a warning before he chooses to judge anyone. There will be a time for everyone to truly repent including you and me. Cos the true way was corrupted to another thing. What we follow today is not what truly happened. So there will be a correction first.

People not calling on your God or Jesus doesn't mean that they are not spiritual. The bible you read was copied from somewhere and those names is not in the original script. All they need to do is to believe that their is a Creator no matter what they call it and He has a son who will rule this world one day.

The problem you Christians make is that you all think that everything work only in your religion. If people don't believe in your God and Jesus they are damned. To you guys God and Jesus is a Christian and everyone must become a Christian. That is error sister
The Creator gave no one any religion. The Messiah taught his people to return to the Covenant they made with their Creator. He taught people to be righteous and abstain from all evil. Many people have their own way of calling the Creator of all things. It in the time of correction that everything will be clear. Many things you people do in your religion are lies but you don't know. What everyone needs now is to believe in the Creator, His son no matter what they call him, follow after righteousness and abstain from all evil and they won't go wrong


Hmmm....I misread you indeed. I felt you are a christian. Ok, I get you now. Ok. I am a Christian, where do you belong? What is your way to connecting with god/God? Be bold to say it. Omadioha, ifa, ogun oya, osun, ikenga, Ala, Anyanwu, onwa, ogbanje, Anansa, Esu who Wole Soyinka explained explicitly to some white folks some time ago? Or are you into deep knowledge cultism - freemason, illuminati, eckankar. Do you soul travel? Who are you? Reveal yourself and stop playing games. I'm a practical believer. This is me..show yourself sir.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 12:10pm On Jun 12
PeaceJoyLove:


Hmmm....I misread you indeed. I felt you are a christian. Ok, I get you now. Ok. I am a Christian, where do you belong? What is your way to connecting with god/God? Be bold to say it. Omadioha, ifa, ogun oya, osun, ikenga, Ala, Anyanwu, onwa, ogbanje, Anansa, Esu who Wole Soyinka explained explicitly to some white folks some time ago? Or are you into deep knowledge cultism - freemason, illuminati, eckankar. Do you soul travel? Who are you? Reveal yourself and stop playing games. I'm a practical believer. This is me..show yourself sir.

You see what religion has done to you!
Do you see how religion has brainwashed you ?
I am not a Christian but you have started tagging me as a worshipper of all the religion in your head. In your mind only the Christians know the Creator. What about those the Creator called his people? Are they Christians too? Or you want to call them sinners too and tag them as Unbelievers?
You see how forward you are. Judging without getting the real fact
All these we discussed, does it have anything to do with all you are tagging me to be?
All your religions were called Abrahamic religion.
Was Abraham, a righteous man a Christian?
All the righteous people of old were they Christians?
What religion do they follow?
How come did they serve the Creator faithfully and He called them His People?
Were they righteous or not?
What language was the bible written?
Weren't the names of God and Jesus in that original language?
Why did they choose to replace them with God and Jesus?
If you are the author of a book and you are a Yoruba, if that book is translated worldwide to all languages in the world, will they also translate your true Yoruba name as the author?
Why will the authors of the Bible remove the original names and just gave you God and Jesus which have no meaning in your tongue or African languages which is the most ancient and first where the Bible was copied from?
Can't you see something is fishy here, they did something to hide many things from you
You Christians have to figure these things out first.

The Messiah is a Hebrew man not a Christian.
All your religion have a form of godliness but lack the truth. All were made Apostate a long time ago but many of you don't know
The Messiah will first come to his Temple to sanctify some people first(Malachi 3:1-4) who will go out to preach the truth this endtime before the end (Rev 14:6; 18:1-2). Why?
Because all religion have lost it and know not the true way. All will be decieved by the one who rule the world(Rev12:9)

If you think I am lying, why was the generation of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Only very few people knew the truth. They are not even up to 10, the Creator would have forgived. The same thing in the world today, many people into religion not knowing they are in error. The Creator will destroy the world again for the same reason as of old. What he demands I'd to fear him and abstain from all evil

Everyone will be judged based on their righteousness not religion. Humble yourself and be spiritual. Religion( Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc will not save anyone. Their righteousness and obedience to the one who created them will)

All will line according to their tribes in in judgement, not according to their religion
The Messiah is not Bishop of Bishop, Pope of Popes, Pastors of Pastors, GO of GOs BUT KING of KINGS. King is indigenous to Tribes not religion. He didn't create any religion. People did.

I am a Hebrew and all we need is to fear and obey the Creator and his Commands, believe in his Son who will rule this world and abstain from all evil and wickedness. Everyone can do the same too. Religion and all the names they gave you, can't save anyone.

Follow whatever you believe and leave people to what they believe. The Creator will handle it at the right time. Stop preaching what you don't have knowledge of or that is not revealed to you. The true message will go out at endtime for all who care to listen(Rev 18:1;14:6; Matthew 24:14 the Messiah said it when he was describing endtime events which are happening now. At the endtime which is now shall the true message of the Kingdom be preached to all as a WItness before the end). Some people will be sanctified that endtime to go out and preach the truth which will be different from whatever you were ever taught. Can you see that what you people are preaching in all churches is not all the truth?

Humble yourself and be spiritual.
Don't answer the questions I asked. Just ponder on them.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by Image123(m): 12:13pm On Jun 12
LordReed:


Don't get it twisted, I have not moved 1 micrometer toward theism. I am making it clear that my skepticism is not limited to theism but also to atheism which has always been my position since I became an atheist. I am willing to accept the existence of gods if it can be proved they exist but I will never believe in gods.

Confused man, lol
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 12:49pm On Jun 12
bobestman:


You see what religion has done to you!
Do you see how religion has brainwashed you ?
I am not a Christian but you have started tagging me as a worshipper of all the religion in your head. In your mind only the Christians know the Creator. What about those the Creator called his people? Are they Christians too? Or you want to call them sinners too and tag them as Unbelievers?
You see how forward you are. Judging without getting the real fact
All these we discussed, does it have anything to do with all you are tagging me to be?
All your religions were called Abrahamic religion.
Was Abraham, a righteous man a Christian?
All the righteous people of old were they Christians?
What religion do they follow?
How come did they serve the Creator faithfully and He called them His People?
Were they righteous or not?
What language was the bible written?
Weren't the names of God and Jesus in that original language?
Why did they choose to replace them with God and Jesus?
If you are the author of a book and you are a Yoruba, if that book is translated worldwide to all languages in the world, will they also translate your true Yoruba name as the author?
Why will the authors of the Bible remove the original names and just gave you God and Jesus which have no meaning in your tongue or African languages which is the most ancient and first where the Bible was copied from?
Can't you see something is fishy here, they did something to hide many things from you
You Christians have to figure these things out first.

The Messiah is a Hebrew man not a Christian.
All your religion have a form of godliness but lack the truth. All were made Apostate a long time ago but many of you don't know
The Messiah will first come to his Temple to sanctify some people first(Malachi 3:1-4) who will go out to preach the truth this endtime before the end (Rev 14:6; 18:1-2). Why?
Because all religion have lost it and know not the true way. All will be decieved by the one who rule the world(Rev12:9)

If you think I am lying, why was the generation of Noah and Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? Only very few people knew the truth. They are not even up to 10, the Creator would have forgived. The same thing in the world today, many people into religion not knowing they are in error. The Creator will destroy the world again for the same reason as of old. What he demands I'd to fear him and abstain from all evil

Everyone will be judged based on their righteousness not religion. Humble yourself and be spiritual. Religion( Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc will not save anyone. Their righteousness and obedience to the one who created them will)

All will line according to their tribes in in judgement, not according to their religion
The Messiah is not Bishop of Bishop, Pope of Popes, Pastors of Pastors, GO of GOs BUT KING of KINGS. King is indigenous to Tribes not religion. He didn't create any religion. People did.

I am a Hebrew and all we need is to fear and obey the Creator and his Commands, believe in his Son who will rule this world and abstain from all evil and wickedness. Everyone can do the same too. Religion and all the names they gave you, can't save anyone.

Follow whatever you believe and leave people to what they believe. The Creator will handle it at the right time. Stop preaching what you don't have knowledge of or that is not revealed to you. The true message will go out at endtime for all who care to listen(Rev 18:1;14:6; Matthew 24:14 the Messiah said it when he was describing endtime events which are happening now. At the endtime which is now shall the true message of the Kingdom be preached to all as a WItness before the end). Some people will be sanctified that endtime to go out and preach the truth which will be different from whatever you were ever taught. Can you see that what you people are preaching in all churches is not all the truth?

Humble yourself and be spiritual.
Don't answer the questions I asked. Just ponder on them.

You are talking "nonsenses". I am bold to say I am a christian. Who are you? Simple. If you cannot express who you believe in, shut up and leave the scene. It is simple.

Leave Abrahamic God alone. Yes, I reckon with him. The question is who do you reckon with? Through what? You want to teach atheists, yet you cannot say who or how you believe in God or gods. But yours is to crucify Christians. Be bold. Show yourself. Who are you? How do you worship gods or God? It is a simple question.

The atheist boy is bold to say what he believes in. You...I am talking to you, where do you belong? Speak or shut up forever.

Which Hebrew? From which tribe of Hebrew? Talk. Stop speaking in parables. Speak out. Reveal yourself. Speak. Stop hiding. If not, get inside your closet and show no more.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by LordReed(m): 1:30pm On Jun 12
Image123:


Confused man, lol

Lagbaja Nothing For You!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-MeDtmIbA
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by CharisEleos(f): 1:35pm On Jun 12
Good News!

I am convinced beyond every reasonable doubts that God exist because I've experienced his goodness first hand and I've tasted of His awesomeness in so many distinctive ways.

The Lord of Host
The I am that I am exist like the very breath from your nostrils. Believe and he'll manifest himself to you.

I'm a living testimony of His existence.

Baba God, you too much! Chai! grin
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by sonmvayina(m): 1:51pm On Jun 12
Atheist and theist are both same thing...

Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 2:37pm On Jun 12
PeaceJoyLove:


You are talking "nonsenses". I am bold to say I am a christian. Who are you? Simple. If you cannot express who you believe in, shut up and leave the scene. It is simple.

Leave Abrahamic God alone. Yes, I reckon with him. The question is who do you reckon with? Through what? You want to teach atheists, yet you cannot say who or how you believe in God or gods. But yours is to crucify Christians. Be bold. Show yourself. Who are you? How do you worship gods or God? It is a simple question.

The atheist boy is bold to say what he believes in. You...I am talking to you, where do you belong? Speak or shut up forever.

Which Hebrew? From which tribe of Hebrew? Talk. Stop speaking in parables. Speak out. Reveal yourself. Speak. Stop hiding. If not, get inside your closet and show no more.

When your Churchian lies has been exposed, you guys will start insulting people. Upon all I said you don't know what a Creator is?
A Creator is the one who created heaven and earth. The Ancient of days. The oldest man that ever lived.
You are angry cos I didn't call him God as your Christian father's taught you. That is why you are accusing me.
The Creator and his Son didn't give us religion but rules, laws that we must follow to get eternal life.
If anyone believe in the Creator, they believe in his son and live a righteous life. They are good. It's not by religion.

Your religion believe the creator is God and his son his Jesus. Follow what they told you. I believe in their Hebrew names. Calling Him Creator is not bad cos it shows He created all things. You are the one attacking me and calling me devil cos I don't call the names Romans sold to you as the the name of the Creator and his Son.

You are hyping your religion when you were warned in your Bible that anyone who believe in the Son will be saved when the true message is preached not people who practice religion or are Christians. His true name in Hebrew is not Jesus so am not wrong if I didn't call your Jesus.

So I have nothing to reveal or proof to you cos all we need to do is to
Believe in the Creator( God according to Christians)
Believe in his Son whom all must acknowledge to be saved
Read the scripture and obey the Commandments of the one who created us
We should run away from anything evil too. I don't do religion. If that will make you call me a devil, continue.

Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by PeaceJoyLove: 3:51pm On Jun 12
bobestman:


When your Churchian lies has been exposed, you guys will start insulting people. Upon all I said you don't know what a Creator is?
A Creator is the one who created heaven and earth. The Ancient of days. The oldest man that ever lived.
You are angry cos I didn't call him God as your Christian father's taught you. That is why you are accusing me.
The Creator and his Son didn't give us religion but rules, laws that we must follow to get eternal life.
If anyone believe in the Creator, they believe in his son and live a righteous life. They are good. It's not by religion.

Your religion believe the creator is God and his son his Jesus. Follow what they told you. I believe in their Hebrew names. Calling Him Creator is not bad cos it shows He created all things. You are the one attacking me and calling me devil cos I don't call the names Romans sold to you as the the name of the Creator and his Son.

You are hyping your religion when you were warned in your Bible that anyone who believe in the Son will be saved when the true message is preached not people who practice religion or are Christians. His true name in Hebrew is not Jesus so am not wrong if I didn't call your Jesus.

So I have nothing to reveal or proof to you cos all we need to do is to
Believe in the Creator( God according to Christians)
Believe in his Son whom all must acknowledge to be saved
Read the scripture and obey the Commandments of the one who created us
We should run away from anything evil too. I don't do religion. If that will make you call me a devil, continue.

Oh! I see. You are a colleague of donnie, that boy posting Igbo Jewish and twisting everything up and down. Hahahaha. Oh! I see. That is the reason you are hiding and disguising. I know who you are, and what you believe now. Hmmm!

You better take it easy with what you take. Bro, reduce it ooo. This is my last advice. I dont argue, I state facts, and I leave the scene.

"Sour Diesel" is not good for you. Go and get help. Find a place to rehabilitate yourself. I have advised you ooo. You can continue barking here. I am gone far away from you cos I have just realised the frequency of your tone.

Goodluck!

Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 4:15pm On Jun 12
PeaceJoyLove:


Oh! I see. You are a colleague of donnie, that boy posting Igbo Jewish and twisting everything up and down. Hahahaha. Oh! I see. That is the reason you are hiding and disguising. I know who you are, and what you believe now. Hmmm!

You better take it easy with what you take. Bro, reduce it ooo. This is my last advice. I dont argue, I state facts, and I leave the scene.

"Sour Diesel" is not good for you. Go and get help. Find a place to rehabilitate yourself. I have advised you ooo. You can continue barking here. I am gone far away from you cos I have just realised the frequency of your tone.

Goodluck!

You are the one who truly need this help cos you will never see that many doctrines and names in your churches today were added to the book by selfish Priests. Don't be too carried away with your pride and miss the truth. All your religion has lost the truth. The truth must go out this endtime to correct all lies they told us. Humble yourself and stop the pride so you can see these things.

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Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by sonmvayina(m): 8:46pm On Jun 12
bobestman:


When your Churchian lies has been exposed, you guys will start insulting people. Upon all I said you don't know what a Creator is?
A Creator is the one who created heaven and earth. The Ancient of days. The oldest man that ever lived.
You are angry cos I didn't call him God as your Christian father's taught you. That is why you are accusing me.
The Creator and his Son didn't give us religion but rules, laws that we must follow to get eternal life.
If anyone believe in the Creator, they believe in his son and live a righteous life. They are good. It's not by religion.

Your religion believe the creator is God and his son his Jesus. Follow what they told you. I believe in their Hebrew names. Calling Him Creator is not bad cos it shows He created all things. You are the one attacking me and calling me devil cos I don't call the names Romans sold to you as the the name of the Creator and his Son.

You are hyping your religion when you were warned in your Bible that anyone who believe in the Son will be saved when the true message is preached not people who practice religion or are Christians. His true name in Hebrew is not Jesus so am not wrong if I didn't call your Jesus.

So I have nothing to reveal or proof to you cos all we need to do is to
Believe in the Creator( God according to Christians)
Believe in his Son whom all must acknowledge to be saved
Read the scripture and obey the Commandments of the one who created us
We should run away from anything evil too. I don't do religion. If that will make you call me a devil, continue.


When you say father and son, do you mean Enki and Marduk ?...Or

Because the Creator in the old testament has no son or daughters..it is just him. Beside him there is no other...
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by Workch: 8:56pm On Jun 12
sonmvayina:
Atheist and theist are both same thing...
Because we don't know is not evidence that he exist
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 10:49pm On Jun 12
sonmvayina:


When you say father and son, do you mean Enki and Marduk ?...Or

Because the Creator in the old testament has no son or daughters..it is just him. Beside him there is no other...

Leave those ancient tales. Zachariah Stitching only know a little and their are many twisted stories. The current Bible is only our reliable source for now. Stick to it till the Mezie ya or Onye Mmezi (Messiah)comes to UNSEAL and tell the lost truth. There is a Kere-tor(Creator) and He has a Son.

Look at nature and you will understand. According to Joseph's dream. He said the Sun and the moon and stars bowed to him. Father(Sun), Mother(moon), Children(stars). As it's above, so it's in nature, so it's on earth. Follow the Bible for now and don't let those people confuse you with their theories.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by The5DME(m): 7:32am On Jun 13
bobestman:


Leave those ancient tales. Zachariah Stitching only know a little and their are many twisted stories. The current Bible is only our reliable source for now. Stick to it till the Mezie ya or Onye Mmezi (Messiah)comes to UNSEAL and tell the lost truth. There is a Kere-tor(Creator) and He has a Son.

Look at nature and you will understand. According to Joseph's dream. He said the Sun and the moon and stars bowed to him. Father(Sun), Mother(moon), Children(stars). As it's above, so it's in nature, so it's on earth. Follow the Bible for now and don't let those people confuse you with their theories.
what do you mean by "the bible is our only reliable source"? What about the numerous other books out there? Why should one continue reading a book that cannot anwser my questions? Can you keep reading your primary 6 textbook for the rest of your pitiable existence?
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 7:59am On Jun 13
The5DME:
what do you mean by "the bible is our only reliable source"? What about the numerous other books out there? Why should one continue reading a book that cannot anwser my questions? Can you keep reading your primary 6 textbook for the rest of your pitiable existence?

You can read the Aprocrypha- book of Enoch, Forgotten books Eden etc the knowledge you get there can help you understand the bible better. But if you overdo them, you can become an athiests cos many things aren't very clear there. This is why I tell people that the scriptures is a coded book which must be decoded first before on e can truly understand. Though this our current Bible is full of contradictions, allegories, wrong names, wrong locations and many twisted stories but it is the only one we can hold on to for now till the Messiah comes to remove the codes and fulfill all written about him there. When all is said and done, the truths in them all will be written in our hearts and we will no longer need them like in the days of old.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by Workch: 8:05am On Jun 13
bobestman:


You can read the Aprocrypha- book of Enoch, Forgotten books Eden etc the knowledge you get there can help you understand the bible better. But if you overdo them, you can become an athiests cos many things aren't very clear there. This is why I tell people that the scriptures is a coded book which must be decoded first. Though this our current Bible is full of contradictions, allegories, wrong names, wrong locations and many twisted stories but it is the only one we can hold on to for now till the Messiah comes to remove the codes and fulfill all written about him there.
sorry the Bible is a hilarious book, it’s full of fallacies and jargons.

Read and study proper quantum and astrophysics then you will see the jokes in the Bible. The book was written by archaic men who had no single atom of idea how the universe works
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by The5DME(m): 8:07am On Jun 13
bobestman:


You can read the Aprocrypha- book of Enoch, Forgotten books Eden etc the knowledge you get there can help you understand the bible better. But if you overdo them, you can become an athiests cos many things aren't very clear there. This is why I tell people that the scriptures is a coded book which must be decoded first. Though this our current Bible is full of contradictions, allegories, wrong names, wrong locations and many twisted stories but it is the only one we can hold on to for now till the Messiah comes to remove the codes and fulfill all written about him there.
So the contents of those books are "not clear", but that of the bible is? How can a book, so full of errors, contradictions and blatant errors be "reliable"?
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 8:20am On Jun 13
The5DME:
So the contents of those books are "not clear", but that of the bible is? How can a book, so full of errors, contradictions and blatant errors be "reliable"?
Many things from the bible were taken from those books. You will not understand. Read whichever you like. Those ones too have their own errors. A time will come for the corrections.
Re: I'm So Convinced That God Doesn't Not Exist by bobestman(m): 8:26am On Jun 13
Workch:
sorry the Bible is a hilarious book, it’s full of fallacies and jargons.

Read and study proper quantum and astrophysics then you will see the jokes in the Bible. The book was written by archaic men who had no single atom of idea how the universe works

We shall see. It's a pure book which mysteries can only be understood by men who knew their Creator. It was written by my Ancestors before thieves hijacked and corrupted it. Wait, the truth will Wow you when it comes out.
Repent if you are an athiests and believe in your Creator or the one who Created all things. Who gave you life by his breath and can also take that life whenever he wishes. Everything has the one who created or formed them, we humans inclusive.

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