Empiree:
you think I'm gonna drag this with you forever?. Jesus was either dead or escaped death. There is no in between. Ressurection is in the Hereafter. Once any human is dead, he's dead, period. This is what your Bible confirmed in JIB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27. The dead is dead. You either believe he's dead or he was not deaf. Nothing like ressurection. 1 Corinthians 15:20,21 etc that says Christ was raised from the dead was interpolation.





first all, we aren't talking about his return. We are talking about death and resurrection.. But can you show me in the Quran where it says he's coming back?.

Whether he's coming back or not, the Muslims that believe he's coming back don't even agree with you. His return is meant to crucify Christianity as indicated in Hadith, "he will break the cross". He's not coming back to rescue christians. He was only sent to the Jews not you

Empiree:
but Jesus himself is dead according to your literature. He was nailed on the cross.. So what's blasphemy here?

Empiree:
this is out of line because MURIC did not say anything derogatory about Jesus. But you did about muhammad. Jesus was human. Buhari is human. So what's the big deal here?. The only difference is Jesus was sanctified and made prophet and messanger but Buhari is not

Empiree:
You didn't know?. I am Christian slayer

You have no choice now but to embrace Islam. What you just said go against many christian doctrines out there. Are you Yorùbá or do you understand Yorùbá?


If so, did you ever heard Christian sang these songs?

O se o Jesu a o ma yin o

O se o Jesu Olohun....


Another song


Leyin Jesu ko si enikan ooooo

Oba mimo ni oba ti mo n sin

Leyin Jesu ko si enikan ooooo

Alagbara ni oruko re



In these songs and many more like them, they raised status of Jesus to Almighty God and Creator

Lo ba tan

Empiree:
all what you just said that I highlighted are hearsays without proofs. If he wanted to die or came to die for your sin, why did he cry to God when he faced death on the cross?. Does this sound like someone trying to die for you?




Matthew 27:45-50

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?




you better speak for yourself on this one because you guys have different doctrines. Someone already posted up there not point ago that Jesus is God and he created the world. And besides, since you believe he's not, how about this Bible verse that claimed Jesus is God?



"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" - Isaiah 9:6

ThatFairGuy1:
Yes, he did.

Besides, Let's fix time, I'll ask u. You MUST be more ordained

ifiokjohn:
but which of those supposed sons of God did God ever told to see at his right hand ( the Heavenly throne besides him) till he makes his enemies his footstool?

Which of those sons did the angels and the 24 elders bow to in Revelation 5? None I guess.

See all we are children of God but there is a difference. Although people you called are adopted sons of God. Just like we Humans.

Which of those sons existed with God in heaven long before time( and he said, before Abraham "I Am"...
Jesus Christ is the only one that is divine ... You call him a prophet but yet a prophet is not divine like Jesus. A prophet never existed before time like Jesus .

Read the book of Revelation and maybe then you will know who our Lord Jesus Christ is.

By the way you can believe the book of Revelation.. because man has no type of knowledge to write something like that without inspiration from God.

You know when they bring evidence from the Bible for you guys.. all you get to say is the Bible was corrupted etc.

Odingo1:


John 10:18, NIV:
Jesus said;
"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father. ... I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.

Odingo1:

Yes they are still correct because Jesus said I and my father is one. A glory to the father is to the son and vice verse.We have God the Father (Almighty God), Son and Holy Spirit. 3 person in one God but only one God.

greencard:
can we compare Mohamed to buhari,,,?

Empiree:
how does this make him different from other sons of God?. How about Moses that met God and spoke with him one on one?



The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent. Exodus 33:11


How about Abraham called friend of God II Chronicles 20:7. Isaiah 41:8.


How about Elijah that also raised the dead 1 Kings 17:17-24


There was nothing Jesus did that other prophets and messangers didn't do



Adopted children you Christians no go kill person. From whom God adopted them?.

And you said they are just like humans but I have quoted several Bible verses showing Jesus was only human being. 1 Timothy 2:5


For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.




you have a lot to learn. This has nothing to do with divinity of Jesus. It only means Jesus had preexisting knowledge of God just like you and I. Quran says we lived preexisting earthly life where we had covenants with God that we would worship and obey Him when we get to earth. So we had foreknowledge of God too. There is nothing special in this verse. So this verse means Jesus had foreknowledge. If this makes Jesus special, how about Melchizedek Genesis 14:18–20. He's more greater than Jesus.

Jesus has mother no father

Adam had no father no mother but he had beginning

Melchizedek had no father, no mother no beginning, no ending. So who's more greater btw the three?. Answer is obvious.



be like say you don't know who you are talking to. What else is new about Jesus that you think I don't know?.



which inspiration ooo?. You mean all those rascal church "inspirations"


but you haven't been successful in your defensive arguments so far.

greencard:
you forgot the part, that He rose form the dead ??

RightChannel:


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ifiokjohn:
Lol... Yeah I agree. His return will crucify those churches that didn't run their race well. That's why even the christians knows that judgement will start from the church.


By the way, Jesus is no ordinary man. The Bible said it is unto man to die once and then judgement but we keep telling you Jesus is no man...he is the son of God. Divine.

Death Couldn't hold him.
He died and took the keys of death so as to give us eternal life.

Oga read my Bible well and pray the holy Spirit to open your eyes.
You read the Bible with hatred and unbelieve that's why...

Open your eyes.. check all the prophets that spoke about Jesus...
Even one said... His origin is from before time( beginning)


Even Muhammad, Elijah etc never got that kind of discription

Empiree:
you keep going on cycle. I think I know your problem now. Let me just push you to clarify yourself.

What do you mean Jesus is son of God, biological son or what?. Answer this so that I know how to deal with you better you keep going back and forth




can you read yourself again?. Don't you see contradiction in your write up or you want me to break it down for you?.


Let me help you


You said "death couldn't hold him" not he died on the cross at the hands of human being according to your Bible Matthew 27:45-50


You said:


and took the keys of death so as to give us eternal life


Tell me any of the Christians that have eternal life that you know of?. I can interprete this in two forms, either literally or spiritually. Literally this verse is rubbish because evidently many many CHRISTIANs have died and nothing happened. So this make this verse false.

Spiritually, to have everlasting life in afterlife, if that's the case, Quran had this to say


They also say, ‘No one will enter Paradise unless he is a Jew or a Christian.’ This is their own wishful thinking. Say, ‘Produce your evidence, if you are telling the truth.’ Qur'an 2:111-113


There is no way you can enter paradise as long as you believe Jesus is: God, son of God. It is impossible



holy what. Abeg, which "holy spirit" Christians use that make them differ so much?. Deeper life, Jehovah witness don't celebrate Xmas. Other do. Yet all of them claim to have "holy spirit".

Don't worry about how I read Bible. Onus on you to defend it.




oh you mean when Jesus and his people when to somebody farm to steal produce?. In Mark 2:23-25, Jesus and his people were hungry on sabbath. Won wo oko oloko lol ji agbado alagbado on sabbath when Jesus and his guys were caught red-handed for stealing, Jesus said


"Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?"



This is what you called son of God . He was a full grown man

ifiokjohn:
No, you're the one that hasn't been successful in offensive argument so far.

You brought out Machizedek.. he was a high priest of God. Jesus is a son of God. By the way, I never said others prophet didn't raise the dead. Damn, even Paul raised the dead..

I asked you, which of those supposed prophets God has told to sit at his right hand throne till he makes his enemies his footstool?

By the way, have never heard anyone says Human being preexisted in heaven before they were born with a promise they will serve God.
That's a lie and it of the devil.

No human Preexisted before time with God.

By the way, Moses never spoke to God face to face.. moses never saw God but the back of God. Your Quran is inaccurate in that instance cause no man can see God and live and Moses was a man... Yes he commune with God just like every prophet hears from God ....from Jeremiah to Isaiah down to even Solomon...they heard from God...nothing spectacular about that.

Now the spectacular thing here is Jesus didn't just hear from God, he saw God, God told him to sit on the throne beside him...God told the angels to bow before the Lamb( Jesus ) in Revelation 5.

Quran is wrong. No human ever lived Preexisting live/knowledge before they were born.
The only people in.heavens are Angelic beings, divine beings etc

Empiree:

This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.

Empiree:


Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,

Empiree:


1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)




2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)


"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."






Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.


"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God Genesis 32:22-32




FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103




I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.

Empiree:
This doesnt refute the fact that Jesus doesnt have unique qualities that Machizedek had



This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.


Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,


1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)




2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)


"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."






Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.


"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God Genesis 32:22-32




FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103




I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.

Empiree:
This doesnt refute the fact that Jesus doesnt have unique qualities that Machizedek had



This doesn't prove any unique quality. This is not attempt to undermine Jesus(p). I am just telling you that each prophet and messanger has their unique attributes with God that others dont have. Abraham is called friend of God and father of faith. Jesus doesnt have this qualities. Prophet muhammad is granted power of intercession. Jesus desnt have this. Moses spoke to God face to face but Jesus doesnt have this. Moses speaks to God face to face is more credible by common sense than sitting at the right hand of God.


Before you were born, and before your parent conceived you, where do you think you were?. You were existing in your fathers groin in spiritual realm with God. And I have told you before and will say it again that if you want to learn bible, come to Muslims. We will teach you bible. Now read,


1. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Through revelation the prophet Jeremiah learned something about the preexistence of his own soul. The Lord spoke to him and said, “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” (Jer. 1:5.)




2. Job had a premortal existence. On one occasion the Lord asked the prophet Job, “Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

“When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4, 7.)


"Now although the Lord didn’t tell Job where he was before the foundations of the earth were laid, the very question implies that Job was in existence somewhere—and not only Job but “all the sons of God.” And when we recall that the Bible teaches that we are the sons of God (“the offspring of God” is the way the apostle Paul phrases it in Acts 17:29), we can’t help but conclude that we were in existence with Job (and Jeremiah and the Lord Jesus Christ) before the earth was created."






Oh you think uran said so? Quran doesnt say Moses spoke to God face to face. Your Bible did.


"The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." Exodus 33:11

Even Jacob wrestled with God and defeated God Genesis 32:22-32




FALSE! This contradicts your bible. Exodus 33:20 says no one can see God

"you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."


Quran also says

"Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted."Q6:103




I already showed you from your bible that Job and Jeremiah preexisted.

ifiokjohn:
lol...what is the difference between an intercessor and s mediator?
You see you...Jesus doesn't have the power of an intercessor. Someone the Bible said is a mediator between man and God.

Abraham is a friend of God....how can a son be a friend of his Father?

And you said nothing is special about Jesus been told to sit at God right hand really?

Do you know what it means to sit on a Throne in heaven? No one...not even biggest of angels sit on throne in heaven brother.

By the way you really don't know the Bible...if you did you will know the Bible called Jesus a high priest of God... someone even greater than Machizedek. Oga read my Bible with insight.

There is nothing about preexistance of a human. Humans never existed in heaven at anytime ever.

God knew Jeremiah cause God created him. If for eg, you want to create someone or something won't you know the person and the qualities you want to instill in that person?

Nope you never showed me anything about job and Jeremiah existing. You just showed me that God knew them before he created them. For freaking sake won't a creator know his creation before he create Him or her? Know what he wants to input into the person etc?

You see why I told you .. you lack insight or wisdom?
Read that passage of God conversation with job again and if you still believe Job preexisted in that time...I can say your education is pretty useless I swear.

God is asking him, where he was when he laid the foundation of the world. If Job was in existence then God won't have asked him that kind of questions.

Oga you Muslims need to learn the Bible from the owners of the Bible.
There is nothing like face to face when Moses couldn't even see God face but his back with God telling him if he does he will die.
Who Moses spoke too was probably an angel at the instance..

SharonLoveth:


You can't undermine Jesus Christ, even in your Quran Jesus is highly exalted, praised more than Muhammad that's enough to let you know that Jesus is not just an ordinary person you can undermine. I was just wondering the reason why allah failed to reckon with Muhammad more than Jesus in the book that was given to Muhammad. This is dirty blow on you all Muslims world-wide.

Jesus Christ is called the spirit of God, word of God, Messiah both in Quran and Bible, NO OTHER PERSON EVER GIVING THESE LOVELY UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES, maybe if there is any tell me? Even Muhammad never has these unique attributes. Just wondering why allah can't even recognized his own messenger Muhammad as his own word from him, Messiah, the spirit of him rather given those attributes to Jesus Christ alone.

Do you know what Intercession is all about? You said Muhammad was given power of intercession which Jesus didn't has, I smiles. Whom does Muhammad intercede for? Is muhammad more than the Messiah? Even in Quran it's written that muhammad cannot intercede for sinners

Sura At-Taubah (9), verse 80

“Ask forgiveness for them, or do not ask forgiveness for them (it will be equal). If thou (O Muhammad) ask forgiveness for them seventy times, God will by no means forgive them.”

Quran itself said Muhammad is NOT an Intercessor so where did you get your own lies that Muhammad was an intercessor?

This is what Bible says about Jesus Christ as our intercessor

Romans 8:34

It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.



You won't stop amazing me, thank God I am no more in Nigeria where you'll be looking for me to be killed.

Where is it written that Christians should come to you for teaching on Holy Bible?

Behold another slap allah gaveth you Muslims by degrading you guys to mere nothing by giving you a warm instructions to seek for knowledge from Christians

Surah Yunus 10:94

So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Allah sees you guys as doubters, clueless and unbelievers. Is that not another dirty slap?




If I should ask you again what Mortal is all about will you answer? If the verses you qouted giving you issues we'll explain further to you, Jeremiah and Job had NO premortal existence as you claimed. Read those verses you posted again NO where it's written they both had premortal existence pls be guided unto the right path and refute not to be brainwashed by your leaders in islam.

One major thing that's affecting you guys in Islam is LACK OF SPIRITUALISM. God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

Had it been allah is spirit, all these shouldn't have befall you Muslims.

Pls accept my apology if I offended you in anyways. God bless you

SharonLoveth:


You can't undermine Jesus Christ, even in your Quran Jesus is highly exalted, praised more than Muhammad that's enough to let you know that Jesus is not just an ordinary person you can undermine. I was just wondering the reason why allah failed to reckon with Muhammad more than Jesus in the book that was given to Muhammad. This is dirty blow on you all Muslims world-wide.

Jesus Christ is called the spirit of God, word of God, Messiah both in Quran and Bible, NO OTHER PERSON EVER GIVING THESE LOVELY UNIQUE ATTRIBUTES, maybe if there is any tell me? Even Muhammad never has these unique attributes. Just wondering why allah can't even recognized his own messenger Muhammad as his own word from him, Messiah, the spirit of him rather given those attributes to Jesus Christ alone.

Do you know what Intercession is all about? You said Muhammad was given power of intercession which Jesus didn't has, I smiles. Whom does Muhammad intercede for? Is muhammad more than the Messiah? Even in Quran it's written that muhammad cannot intercede for sinners

Sura At-Taubah (9), verse 80

“Ask forgiveness for them, or do not ask forgiveness for them (it will be equal). If thou (O Muhammad) ask forgiveness for them seventy times, God will by no means forgive them.”

Quran itself said Muhammad is NOT an Intercessor so where did you get your own lies that Muhammad was an intercessor?

This is what Bible says about Jesus Christ as our intercessor

Romans 8:34

It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.



You won't stop amazing me, thank God I am no more in Nigeria where you'll be looking for me to be killed.

Where is it written that Christians should come to you for teaching on Holy Bible?

Behold another slap allah gaveth you Muslims by degrading you guys to mere nothing by giving you a warm instructions to seek for knowledge from Christians

Surah Yunus 10:94

So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Allah sees you guys as doubters, clueless and unbelievers. Is that not another dirty slap?




If I should ask you again what Mortal is all about will you answer? If the verses you qouted giving you issues we'll explain further to you, Jeremiah and Job had NO premortal existence as you claimed. Read those verses you posted again NO where it's written they both had premortal existence pls be guided unto the right path and refute not to be brainwashed by your leaders in islam.

One major thing that's affecting you guys in Islam is LACK OF SPIRITUALISM. God is Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

Had it been allah is spirit, all these shouldn't have befall you Muslims.

Pls accept my apology if I offended you in anyways. God bless you

SharonLoveth:


Surah Yunus 10:94

So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Allah sees you guys as doubters, clueless and unbelievers. Is that not another dirty slap?

Empiree:
I am honestly bored reading your write-up. It is same old rhetoric. Just gonna respond to "God is spirit". If God is spirit what do you call Angels and Jinn?. What do you call UFO?

Empiree:
good question.

Intercessor is a person who intervenes on behalf of another. So prophet muhammad S.A.W pleads on behalf of Muslims to be granted paradise.


The mediator assists and guides towards their own resolution. The mediator does not decide the outcome. Machizedek had no mother or father..yes he could be Jesus Christ but I don't know about that.
After all even angels have come to earth and behave like humans but humans never knew.

By the way Your Quran is forever wrong it try to copy the Bible but it lacks the insight.
Something that come lata can never be more original than the thing that came bfore it...it impossible.

Muhammad is not alife. He died and he is forever dead. Not interceding on behalf of any Muslim. Someone that is dead can't interceed on your behave.
If Jesus didn't rise then he won't be our intercessor because he is dead but no, he rised up again. So he is our intercessor. He is the middle man between God and man.

Even Jesus said in his own word...none has seen the father except the son. None knows the father except the son

But Moses at no time ever saw God. He saw the back of God. Not God but yes God spoke to him as he spoke to him in the burning tree.

If sitting at the right hand of God indicated piousness ... even Elijah would have been told to sit down at God right hand. Alot of people would have been told too.

You see no one really knows the origin of Machizedek...he was an high priest of God and the Bible told us that Jesus is the only high priest of God. It means then that Machizedek was "Probably" Jesus.( Remember he had no father or mother..no one knew his origin)



then Moses, Jacob, Elijah and good people that are sons and daughters of God are also in the same position of Jesus because they are sons as well.



ko ye e ni. Sitting at the right hand of God is symbolic. It means spiritual presence not physical. In another word, Jesus was moved closer to God in divine presence which Quran alluded to. Hence, it is a metaphorical statement. It doesn't mean Jesus is sitting next to God or seeing God. It is the same as speaking about pious person. We say "that man is close to God". QUR'AN says the same thing about Jesus. It says Q3:45



(Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."


So "sitting at the right" hand of God or close to God indicates PIOUSNESS



Lie. To sit on a throne means that throne is physical that provides comfort. So to sit on the throne belittles God if your understanding is literal. This is why I said earlier that it is symbolic. So God doesn't sit on a throne. He is above the throne. If Jesus sits on the throne means that Jesus is not coequal with God.


QUR'AN says


Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]
You said God don't have a throne but yet I'm seeing "Rose over the Throne in this your Quran...can you make me understand?


So you can see that God is above the throne but you said Jesus sits in the right hand of God. You don't know anything The Bible says the Kingdom of God suffereth violence...you hear the word "Kingdom".. and in my English. Any place that is a kingdom must have a King or a Queen...so then who is the king of God kingdom if not God ?


but some of your Bible scholars said Melchizedek is Jesus Christ Jesus is greater than himself?. You go tire for here. Yet Bible says Melchizedek doesn't have father, no mother, no relatives, no beginning, no ending. But Jesus had mother. Jesus had beginning and ending (he died on the cross)



are you saying your Bible lies?. I proved from your Bible that Jeremiah and Job preexisted.


same God created Jesus, isn't?


I showed you evidence that Job and Jeremiah preexisted like Jesus also claimed he existed before earthly life. But you said no human preexisted

1. Jesus had a premortal existence. John 1:14, John 1:1

2. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Her. 1:5

3. Job had a premortal existence. Job38:4,7.....For Goodness sake job had no premortal existence. Read the Bible with clear insight abeg

4. All mankind premortal existence Deuteronomy and Corinthians 29:36-38, Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:22-28.

So you can see preexistence in your Bible.




since you don't understand your Bible, QUR'AN will clear the air.



Q7:172

And recall (O Prophet) when your Lord brought forth descendants from the loins of the sons of Adam, and made them witnesses against their ownselves. asking them: 'Am I not your Lord?' They said: 'Yes, we do testify.' We did so lest you claim on the Day of Resurrection: 'We were unaware of this.'



preexistence is soul not physical and we don't have recollection of it.lol ...let assume preexistance is soul as you said. Jesus Christ was never said to have existed in heaven as a soul.
Even my understanding of what you might mean...you mean the souls were in heaven but didn't have knowledge of their existence or where they were or whatever?

But even Jesus Christ said... He knows the father and the father knows him and he will reveal the father to whoever he wants....he also said "None as seen the father except the son"...tell me does that also not to be taken literally?...if so, then others prophets would have said to have seen God face to face just as Jesus.



yet you believe Jesus sits next to God you are obviously denying your first Bible verse

....Even Stephen in his vision of heaven before his death...talked about how he saw the heavens open and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God....
Even your Muhammad have never said to have gone to heaven talkless of being welcome and told to sit beside even a common angels self....
Ex 33:11


Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.
The Lord spoke to Moses through an angel.. an angel is a representative of God ...so if one speaks to an angel..it like he speaks to God.

After all we see the part where jecob wrestle with an angel of God...but he was said to have wrestle with God and man and won.
Oga think jor. Don't be dumb.

By the way I never told you Jesus is equal with God. Jesus is a creation of God( God words) that became man and dwelled amongst us. Jesus is not God the Father but God the son.

Remember what 1 John said... In the beginning was the word and the word was with God( the word there meaning Jesus was with God right from the beginning)... It wasn't muhammed that was with God. Wasn't Moses, was jecob, was Abraham but Jesus.
If Jesus is said to be with God in the beginning truthfully then it means he is God too because through him ( Godwords) the world and everything was created.

No prophets or what's over was said to have been with God doing that period.

Oga reason na

Why are you denying your Bible on social platform

Empiree:
good question.

Intercessor is a person who intervenes on behalf of another. So prophet muhammad S.A.W pleads on behalf of Muslims to be granted paradise.


The mediator assists and guides towards their own resolution. The mediator does not decide the outcome. Machizedek had no mother or father..yes he could be Jesus Christ but I don't know about that.
After all even angels have come to earth and behave like humans but humans never knew.

By the way Your Quran is forever wrong it try to copy the Bible but it lacks the insight.
Something that come lata can never be more original than the thing that came bfore it...it impossible.

Muhammad is not alife. He died and he is forever dead. Not interceding on behalf of any Muslim. Someone that is dead can't interceed on your behave.
If Jesus didn't rise then he won't be our intercessor because he is dead but no, he rised up again. So he is our intercessor. He is the middle man between God and man.

Even Jesus said in his own word...none has seen the father except the son. None knows the father except the son

But Moses at no time ever saw God. He saw the back of God. Not God but yes God spoke to him as he spoke to him in the burning tree.

If sitting at the right hand of God indicated piousness ... even Elijah would have been told to sit down at God right hand. Alot of people would have been told too.

You see no one really knows the origin of Machizedek...he was an high priest of God and the Bible told us that Jesus is the only high priest of God. It means then that Machizedek was "Probably" Jesus.( Remember he had no father or mother..no one knew his origin)



then Moses, Jacob, Elijah and good people that are sons and daughters of God are also in the same position of Jesus because they are sons as well.



ko ye e ni. Sitting at the right hand of God is symbolic. It means spiritual presence not physical. In another word, Jesus was moved closer to God in divine presence which Quran alluded to. Hence, it is a metaphorical statement. It doesn't mean Jesus is sitting next to God or seeing God. It is the same as speaking about pious person. We say "that man is close to God". QUR'AN says the same thing about Jesus. It says Q3:45



(Remember) when the angels said: "O Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah gives you the glad tidings of a Word ["Be!" - and he was! i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary)] from Him, his name will be the Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to Allah."


So "sitting at the right" hand of God or close to God indicates PIOUSNESS



Lie. To sit on a throne means that throne is physical that provides comfort. So to sit on the throne belittles God if your understanding is literal. This is why I said earlier that it is symbolic. So God doesn't sit on a throne. He is above the throne. If Jesus sits on the throne means that Jesus is not coequal with God.


QUR'AN says


Surely, your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days and then rose over (istawa) the Throne (in a manner that suits His Majesty), disposing the affair of all things.” [10:3]
You said God don't have a throne but yet I'm seeing "Rose over the Throne in this your Quran...can you make me understand?


So you can see that God is above the throne but you said Jesus sits in the right hand of God. You don't know anything The Bible says the Kingdom of God suffereth violence...you hear the word "Kingdom".. and in my English. Any place that is a kingdom must have a King or a Queen...so then who is the king of God kingdom if not God ?


but some of your Bible scholars said Melchizedek is Jesus Christ Jesus is greater than himself?. You go tire for here. Yet Bible says Melchizedek doesn't have father, no mother, no relatives, no beginning, no ending. But Jesus had mother. Jesus had beginning and ending (he died on the cross)



are you saying your Bible lies?. I proved from your Bible that Jeremiah and Job preexisted.


same God created Jesus, isn't?


I showed you evidence that Job and Jeremiah preexisted like Jesus also claimed he existed before earthly life. But you said no human preexisted

1. Jesus had a premortal existence. John 1:14, John 1:1

2. Jeremiah had a premortal existence. Her. 1:5

3. Job had a premortal existence. Job38:4,7.....For Goodness sake job had no premortal existence. Read the Bible with clear insight abeg

4. All mankind premortal existence Deuteronomy and Corinthians 29:36-38, Moses 4:1-4, Abraham 3:22-28.

So you can see preexistence in your Bible.




since you don't understand your Bible, QUR'AN will clear the air.



Q7:172

And recall (O Prophet) when your Lord brought forth descendants from the loins of the sons of Adam, and made them witnesses against their ownselves. asking them: 'Am I not your Lord?' They said: 'Yes, we do testify.' We did so lest you claim on the Day of Resurrection: 'We were unaware of this.'



preexistence is soul not physical and we don't have recollection of it.lol ...let assume preexistance is soul as you said. Jesus Christ was never said to have existed in heaven as a soul.
Even my understanding of what you might mean...you mean the souls were in heaven but didn't have knowledge of their existence or where they were or whatever?

But even Jesus Christ said... He knows the father and the father knows him and he will reveal the father to whoever he wants....he also said "None as seen the father except the son"...tell me does that also not to be taken literally?...if so, then others prophets would have said to have seen God face to face just as Jesus.



yet you believe Jesus sits next to God you are obviously denying your first Bible verse

....Even Stephen in his vision of heaven before his death...talked about how he saw the heavens open and Jesus sitting at the right hand of God....
Even your Muhammad have never said to have gone to heaven talkless of being welcome and told to sit beside even a common angels self....
Ex 33:11


Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his assistant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.
The Lord spoke to Moses through an angel.. an angel is a representative of God ...so if one speaks to an angel..it like he speaks to God.

After all we see the part where jecob wrestle with an angel of God...but he was said to have wrestle with God and man and won.
Oga think jor. Don't be dumb.

By the way I never told you Jesus is equal with God. Jesus is a creation of God( God words) that became man and dwelled amongst us. Jesus is not God the Father but God the son.

Remember what 1 John said... In the beginning was the word and the word was with God( the word there meaning Jesus was with God right from the beginning)... It wasn't muhammed that was with God. Wasn't Moses, was jecob, was Abraham but Jesus.
If Jesus is said to be with God in the beginning truthfully then it means he is God too because through him ( Godwords) the world and everything was created.

No prophets or what's over was said to have been with God doing that period.

Oga reason na

Why are you denying your Bible on social platform

Esseite:


Of all the passages in the Koran and history of life and time of Mohammed, why use Jesus?

ifiokjohn:
damn you are making it to easy for me.

Jesus is the word of God. The word of God is God. He was made flesh and dwelled amongst us.


You keep saying Moses spoke to God cause of the language that Bible used.

Didn't the Bible said Jecob fought with an angel and the angel bless him and said you have fought against God and man and has prevailed....can we said Jecob really did fought against God? Oga use your head na.

Jesus Christ is the only person, no prophets, no righteous man is said to have been told by God to sit beside him

Now if you read the old testament...( You will see a part where a prophet said he saw a vision of heaven and one that sat on a throne like the son of man.... ( Remember doing this period he saw the vision Jesus haven't come to Earth o)...so what then will you call that?...

Now even Jesus Christ talked about seeing God and told his disciples none has seen the father except the son. That's to show you Jesus wasn't Man. ( Cause no man can see God and live).. Jesus Christ in his own words said he has seen the father and when the disciples asked him to show them the father.. remember what he told the disciples..? Now that brings us back to when I said he is the word of God. Being the word of God it means he is same with God ( the father and the son are one - Jesus)

Just like a Human is same with his Word that's how Jesus is same with God cause he is the word of God. He is God the son.

See I tell you this you won't understand till you are a Christian. Even alot of Christians don't understand

But they still believe cause they know...we all know in our heart Jesus is the only way. ( I am the way the truth and the life...no one cometh to the father except through me).

Hear this word. ". he shall come again"
Not Muhammad
Not Elijah
Not Elisha
Not Jeremiah
Not Solomon
Not David
Not John the Baptist. But Jesus shall we again to judge... And my Bible tells me God is the only judge.. and if Jesus Christ shall come to judge it means all power have been given to him( authority) to judge the living and the dead in heaven and on Earth.

Remember what he told his disciples before his Ascension ( all Power in heaven and on Earth have been given to me)

Damn even your Muhammad Couldn't even forgive sins( Jesus easily could) talkless for power to be given to him in heaven and on Earth.

If Muhammad is an intercessor as you said then it means he is supposed to be able to forgive sin like Jesus but we never heard of him even forgiving one single sin

But Jesus Christ gave his followers ( Christians) the power to forgive sins.