Oh i see, so you want me to cite scriptures that backs what i'm saying, shey?

Well i'm Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, most Nairalanders on this forum know me for that but i just want to go straight to the explanation instead of making you go through all the scriptures.

Bishopkingsley:


Use Bible to describe Bible

Never use your own words or thoughts


This is what cloud mean

The coming of the Lord in the pillar of cloud is the first clear example in Scripture of the Lord using clouds to symbolize His presence. The Psalmist declares, under figurative language, that Jehovah "makes the clouds His chariot" (Ps. 104:3). Nahum tells us that "the clouds are the dust of His feet" (Nahum 1:3). Clouds serve as the best picture in creation of the imminent presence of the transcendent God.

MaxInDHouse:


YES! You're quoting the book but what you're quoting is not to be taken literally!

He coming with the clouds means the atmosphere will change and throughout the earth people will feel the presence of an indomitable spirit being.

Every eye will see him means all those living by then will grasp that something strange is happening to the world in which they are living.

Even those who pierced him means all those who hate the truth (politicians) will also admit that they can't manage the situation anymore, so God should send someone from heaven and take control!

During that time evil things will happen on earth and claim many lives so that everyone on earth will mourn one way or another!

So if you want to know the meaning of what is written in the Bible book of Revelation, i can assist you a bit but i'll have to introduce you to God's people who are given the wisdom to Interpret all these sacred secrets! Daniel 12:10

Cloud means cloud

Eyes means eyes

pierced is pierced

Those who killed him will awake too

MaxInDHouse:
Oh i see, so you want me to cite scriptures that backs what i'm saying, shey?

Well i'm Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, most Nairalanders on this forum know me for that but i just want to go straight to the explanation instead of making you go through all the scriptures.

You will never see Bible that put your meaning
Mind u I have converted many jehova witness

I show one of you where holy spirit spoke then he believed that holy spirit is not a force

And he repented

Bishopkingsley:

You will never see Bible that put your meaning
Mind u I have converted many jehova witness
I show one of you where holy spirit spoke then he believed that holy spirit is not a force
And he repented

OK if you're convinced of what you're saying let's wait and see the outcome!

MaxInDHouse:


OK if you're convinced of what you're saying let's wait and see the outcome!

Funny I know you have checked and u did not see any interpretation


Lol

The bible say use Bible to interpret Bible if you want I will show you anything that they teach you wrongly in jehova witness

Come out from there for they don't believe Jesus is God

Bishopkingsley:

Funny I know you have checked and u did not see any interpretation
Lol
The bible say use Bible to interpret Bible if you want I will show you anything that they teach you wrongly in jehova witness
Come out from there for they don't believe Jesus is God

So what is the name of your church where they are teaching you rightly?

MaxInDHouse:


So what is the name of your church where they are teaching you rightly?

The whole Christian world apart from jehova witness knows that Jesus is God


Yes church does not save any one but only Jesus can save us


But you need to attend better place that teach you Bible to translate Bible

Not their imagination

MaxInDHouse:


So what is the name of your church where they are teaching you rightly?

Don't let anyone use an idea to explain Bible

Scripture must only be used to explain scripture

Bishopkingsley:

The whole Christian world apart from jehova witness knows that Jesus is God
Yes church does not save any one but only Jesus can save us
But you need to attend better place that teach you Bible to translate Bible
Not their imagination

So why is there so much contradictions among the churches that's saying Jesus is God?

Because Jesus fervently prayed to his father for his followers to be unitedly joined together in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

MaxInDHouse:


So why is there so much contradictions among the churches that's saying Jesus is God?

Because Jesus fervently prayed to his father for his followers to be unitedly joined together in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

There is no contradiction among churches I just told you only jehova witness believe that Jesus is not God almighty


Only you people believe wrongly

Other Christians church believes in the Trinity

Now Jesus prayed to the father reasons for that I can explain to you

But let me ask you have you ever talked to yourself

Answer is yes

Now the Trinity is a mystery which God is all in all hope u understand

MaxInDHouse:


So why is there so much contradictions among the churches that's saying Jesus is God?

Because Jesus fervently prayed to his father for his followers to be unitedly joined together in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23

To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man. Please read John 5:19-27, particularly verse 23 where Jesus teaches that the Father sent the Son (also see John 15:10). Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem. He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God, and always will be.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity, along with the Holy Spirit. The tri-unity always existed, the Father God, the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), meaning that He and His Father are of the same substance and the same essence. The Father, Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had, and continue to have, an eternal relationship.

When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8 to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35, 6:46). His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father’s plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ’s high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father’s will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God’s law (Matthew 26:31-46). Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.

There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father’s will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus’ praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today.

Bishopkingsley:

There is no contradiction among churches I just told you only jehova witness believe that Jesus is not God almighty Only you people believe wrongly Other Christians church believes in the Trinity Now Jesus prayed to the father reasons for that I can explain to you
But let me ask you have you ever talked to yourself Answer is yes Now the Trinity is a mystery which God is all in all hope u understand

Why not give me a straightforward answer just as i told you that i'm on of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

What is the name of your church?

Bishopkingsley:


To understand Jesus as God on earth praying to His Father in heaven, we need to realize that the eternal Father and the eternal Son had an eternal relationship before Jesus took upon Himself the form of a man. Please read John 5:19-27, particularly verse 23 where Jesus teaches that the Father sent the Son (also see John 15:10). Jesus did not become the Son of God when He was born in Bethlehem. He has always been the Son of God from eternity past, still is the Son of God, and always will be.

Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the Son was given and the Child was born. Jesus was always part of the tri-unity, along with the Holy Spirit. The tri-unity always existed, the Father God, the Son God, and the Spirit God, not three gods, but one God existing as three persons. Jesus taught that He and His Father are one (John 10:30), meaning that He and His Father are of the same substance and the same essence. The Father, Son and Spirit are three co-equal persons existing as God. These three had, and continue to have, an eternal relationship.

When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8 to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35, 6:46). His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father’s plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ’s high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father’s will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God’s law (Matthew 26:31-46). Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.

There is no problem with God the Son praying or talking to God the Father. As mentioned, they had an eternal relationship before Christ became a man. This relationship is depicted in the Gospels so we can see how the Son of God in His humanity carried out His Father’s will, and in doing so, purchased redemption for His children (John 6:38). Christ’s continual submission to His heavenly Father was empowered and kept focused through His prayer life. Christ’s example of prayer is ours to follow.

Jesus Christ was no less God on earth when praying to His Father in heaven. He was depicting how even in sinless humanity it is necessary to have a vital prayer life in order to do His Father’s will. Jesus’ praying to the Father was a demonstration of His relationship within the Trinity and an example for us that we must rely on God through prayer for the strength and wisdom we need. Since Christ, as the God-man, needed to have a vibrant prayer life, so should the follower of Christ today.

One of your TRINITY doctrine pastors just died and many of your TRINITY pastors showed their hostility yet you're typing all these stories!

Well let's pick it one by one.

Where is the LOVE Jesus foretold would serve as a sign of pure worship in the midst of your people?

MaxInDHouse:


Why not give me a straightforward answer just as i told you that i'm on of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

What is the name of your church?

My brother I attend the church that is mentioned inside Bible

MaxInDHouse:


One of your TRINITY doctrine pastors just died and many of your TRINITY pastors showed their hostility yet you're typing all these stories!

Well let's pick it one by one.

Where is the LOVE Jesus foretold would serve as a sign of pure worship in the midst of your people?

The church is not perfect

God is still bringing all of us to perfection and maturity

People can be emotional

It normal with time people will grow and understand hostility won't serve anyone good

Bishopkingsley:

My brother I attend the church that is mentioned inside Bible

Stop all these deceit and tell me the name of your church, i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and i know there is contradictions everywhere from one religion claiming Christians to another.
So what is the name of your church abi your church no get name?

Bishopkingsley:

The church is not perfect
God is still bringing all of us to perfection and maturity
People can be emotional
It normal with time people will grow and understand hostility won't serve anyone good

For almost 1,800 years that your Trinity has been around the mark of true Christianity {John 13:34-35} is missing and you're still contemplating Jesus will come and do it all by himself shey?

Well the whole world can testify to the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE, JOY and PEACE {Matthew 5:13-16} permeating our organization from one part of the earth to another! Matthew 7:16-18

So if trinity can't produce the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit after almost 1,800 years, what makes you think you have not been scammed?

MaxInDHouse:


Stop all these deceit and tell me the name of your church, i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and i know there is contradictions everywhere from one religion claiming Christians to another.
So what is the name of your church abi your church no get name?

My brother there are foundation of the faith

One foundation is Trinity

There is no contradictions on this aspect when it comes to true worshiping

This area is vital

Once you don't believe that Jesus is God you are already on the wrong path

I told you check other churches they all believe this vital subject of Trinity

MaxInDHouse:


For almost 1,800 years that your Trinity has been around the mark of true Christianity {John 13:34-35} is missing and you're still contemplating Jesus will come and do it all by himself shey?

Well the whole world can testify to the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE, JOY and PEACE {Matthew 5:13-16} permeating our organization from one part of the earth to another! Matthew 7:16-18

So if trinity can't produce the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit after almost 1,800 years, what makes you think you have not been scammed?

Jehova witness is a church not a religion

There is no separate church that don't have LOVE, JOY and PEACE within it organization

TB jousha in his church there is LOVE, JOY and PEACE among it members just as u have among your own members

MaxInDHouse:


Stop all these deceit and tell me the name of your church, i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and i know there is contradictions everywhere from one religion claiming Christians to another.
So what is the name of your church abi your church no get name?

My brother I attend the church that is mentioned inside Bible

Bishopkingsley:

My brother there are foundation of the faith
One foundation is Trinity
There is no contradictions on this aspect when it comes to true worshiping
This area is vital
Once you don't believe that Jesus is God you are already on the wrong path
I told you check other churches they all believe this vital subject of Trinity

When you're done deceiving yourself then we can talk, for the main time i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group of people who have successfully produced:

LOVE among people from different races throughout the earth! John 13:34-35

JOY as they're zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood! Matthew 10:3-13, 28:19-20

PEACE as they have made all their members to forgo the use of weapons in settling issues! Matthew 26:52 compare to Micah 4:1-3

All the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit keeps permeating this single Organization yet you're here arguing blindly over some useless, worthless, hopeless and fruitless Trinity that's not yielding any positive result! John 8:32

Please i'm not interested in the amount of people in your Trinity because Jesus said:

"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be"

Matthew 24:37-39

Surely Jesus has a unique group not a crowd of confused people of different sects all claiming they belong to the same God whereas there's nothing to prove they have anything in common! 2Timothy 3:5

Bishopkingsley:


Cloud means cloud

Eyes means eyes

pierced is pierced

Those who killed him will awake too

White horse in the sky means white horse in the sky.

Sword means sword.

Let me enlighten you a bit!

I'm not your brother because you and i aren't related in any way so you and i are neighbours

Jesus taught me that my brothers are those with whom i share the same beliefs {Matthew 12:46-49} so since we're not related through faith that leaves two other chances of being brothers:
Blood:- in this case you and i should be from the same family but we are not.
Business:- in this case you and i should be partners in business but still nothing of such.

So how on earth are you my brother?

That's why you can only be my neighbour!

As for JWs in any part of the earth YES they are my brothers and sisters but you well i've been chatting with you for some time now so you're my neighbour!

Bishopkingsley:

My brother neighbour I attend the church that is mentioned inside Bible

MaxInDHouse:


When you're done deceiving yourself then we can talk, for the main time i am one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES the one and only group of people who have successfully produced:

LOVE among people from different races throughout the earth! John 13:34-35

JOY as they're zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood! Matthew 10:3-13, 28:19-20

PEACE as they have made all their members to forgo the use of weapons in settling issues! Matthew 26:52 compare to Micah 4:1-3

All the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit keeps permeating this single Organization yet you're here arguing blindly over some useless, worthless, hopeless and fruitless Trinity that's not yielding any positive result! John 8:32

Please i'm not interested in the amount of people in your Trinity because Jesus said:

"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be"

Matthew 24:37-39

Surely Jesus has a unique group not a crowd of confused people of different sects all claiming they belong to the same God whereas there's nothing to prove they have anything in common! 2Timothy 3:5

Funny do you want me to list the atrocity that jehova witness members have been carrying out

It so funny how you think u radiate God fruit

Should I list the abortion going on in your members lifes don't be deluded

MaxInDHouse:
Let me enlighten you a bit!

I'm not your brother because you and i aren't related in any way so you and i are neighbours

Jesus taught me that my brothers are those with whom i share the same beliefs {Matthew 12:46-49} so since we're not related through faith that leaves two other chances of being brothers:
Blood:- in this case you and i should be from the same family but we are not.
Business:- in this case you and i should be partners in business but still nothing of such.

So how on earth are you my brother?

That's why you can only be my neighbour!

As for JWs in any part of the earth YES they are my brothers and sisters but you well i've been chatting with you for some time now so you're my neighbour!

Yes u are right but there are many kinds of brothers

First we share the same first father called Adam

So in that respect u are my brother

Aaronsrod:

White horse in the sky means white horse in the sky.

Sword means sword.

Sword means the words of God

I have not researched what horse means

TrajansKong:


You are a blasphemer. You are anti-white.

Repent! Pray for forgiveness!

The Heavenly Hosts see and hear all. Pray for mercy before it is too late.

How is pointing out that your ideals are symbolized by Europeans “anti-white”? You obviously posted a picture of a white boy leading a horde of mzungu on horseback which represent your god and his attendants.

I’ll send the Hades Hordes to deal with the Heavenly Hosts. They’ll ask me for forgiveness afterwards. I see and hear all. Pray for mercy before it’s too late.

Bishopkingsley:


Sword means the words of God

I have not researched what horse means

Horse means the fart of god.

Bishopkingsley:


We all must be a slave to something

You chose to be a slave to free thinking

You definitely believe in something even if that something is nothing

No, some of you just have a disposition towards subservience due to the way you were brought up and inability to apply critical thinking. There is no such thing as a slave to free thinking or believing in nothing.

KnownUnknown:


No, some of you just have a disposition towards subservience due to the way you were brought up and inability to apply critical thinking. There is no such thing as a slave to free thinking or believing in nothing.

Then there is no such thing as disposition towards subservience

KnownUnknown:


Horse means the fart of god.

Sounds absurd but it not a laughing matter

Bishopkingsley:

Funny do you want me to list the atrocity that jehova witness members have been carrying out
It so funny how you think u radiate God fruit
Should I list the abortion going on in your members lifes don't be deluded

If you're not confused were Jesus' followers free from individual flaws?

My guy, we are not talking about what is peculiar to imperfect humans everywhere rather we are talking about how God's Holy Spirit has been working in the midst of imperfect sinful humans making them to produce the fruit of the spirit!

I know you'll be confused about this, so calm down and learn!

As imperfect humans you will surely notice flaws in the lives of individuals following Jesus but as a group they will fulfill what God foretold in the Bible. That's what we're saying.

There's no atrocity you can talk of in the life of any individual that you will not find such in the midst of Christ's followers but what you can't find anywhere else is a group of people who have settled all racial prejudice and political unrest in their gathering! Micah 4:1-3