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|The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by FreshGreen: 10:49am On Jul 05|
THE ERRORS OF ONENESS DOCTRINE
Some group of Christians in different parts of the world believe and teach a doctrine called Oneness, that Jesus Christ is the same Person as God and He is also the same Holy Spirit; that there is no Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but is a single Personality performing the roles of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Here is correction from God's Word on this error:
John 3:16 " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
If God is the same personality as Jesus, how can Bible say God sent Someone else called Jesus? That means they are two different Personalities. If they were one, Bible would have said, " For God so loved the world that He came to the world in the person of Jesus" That would have made sense if He were the Father and the Son at the same time.
If the Bible says GOD sent His SON, then God is the Father and His Son is Jesus. The Bible clearly mentioned God and HIS SON, that a GOD sent HIS SON, and you are saying "No, He has no Son, or He is the Son who sent Himself, he was only deceiving us by saying SON, He is the same Person. If God is the same Son, that means there is a deception. But the scripture cannot be broken and God is ever truthful. God was in heaven, He sent His only begotten SON to the Word.
John 17:1 "Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You." If Jesus was the same God, meaning the heavenly God descended to earth in the form of Jesus, that means heaven was empty of God at that period. If God the Father was the same God the Son of Jesus Christ, then how can Bible say Jesus Christ, when on earth, lifted up His eyes to Heaven - meaning there was still a God in Heaven or was He praying to an empty chair in heaven or angels of heaven like Catholics?
If God the Father is same as God the Son of Jesus Christ, then who was Jesus praying to when He lifted up His eyes to heaven? Was He praying to Himself?
John 14:24" He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me." JESUS CHRIST clearly said Somebody sent Him, but the Onesness doctrine people said, No, it is a lie, nobody sent Him, He sent Himself, He is the Father who sent Himself as the Son. That means Jesus was lying? Jesus Christ expressly said He who sent Him was greater than Him, the Oneness doctrine people say that is not true, that He is equal with Himself and no greater Person anywhere else. Jesus Christ said He was going back to His Father, but the Oneness doctrine say it is a lie, that Jesus was only going back to Himself, He was the same Father and Son and there was no Father anywhere He was going back to. What should we believe, the doctrines of Oneness or the scriptures that cannot be broken?
Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth. The Bible says that Jesus Christ was promoted by God, the Oneness doctrine says it is a lie, He only promoted Himself, He is the same God who promoted Himself. The Bible says Jesus Christ is in form of God, but not equal with God, and He never considered or thought of being equal with God through a robbery means as Satan wanted to do, but the Oneness doctrine people said Jesus is equal with God, that in fact He is the same God.
Concerning the throne, here is what the Bible says, "To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." Rev. 3:21. If you were confused of the statements of Jesus Christ while on earth when He mentioned His Father, now while in heaven He still mentioned His Father, is that not clear enough that He was not the Father?
"as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." Rev. 3:21. JESUS CHRIST Himself said while in heaven, at this time, that He overcame on earth, and now He is in heaven with His Father, and seating with His Father's throne, and that if we Christians who are still on earth overcome sin, satan and self, that we will also seat with Him.
Rev. 4:9, " Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever" THAT PERSONALITY WHO SITS ON THE THRONE IS GOD, RIGHT?
Rev. 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals." IN THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD WAS A THRONE, RIGHT?
Rev. 5:6, "And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth." THE LAMB HERE IS THE SON OF GOD WHO WAS SLAIN, RIGHT? HERE, WE CAN SEE TWO PERSONALITIES - One who sits on throne and Another Person in the midst of the elders as a Lamb.
Rev. 5:7 "Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne. The "He" starting with capital letter, being the Lamb, came to the "Him" who sits on the throne from Rev. chapter 4? That is GOD THE FATHER, and now, another "He" comes to Him who sits on the throne - that is JESUS CHRIST.
Rev. 5:13, "And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: “Blessing and honor and glory and
power Be to Him who sits on the throne, And to the Lamb, forever and ever!” HERE WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THERE IS ONE PERSONALITY SITTING ON THE THRONE AND ANOTHER PERSONALITY CALLED THE LAMB.
From there we can see that The Lamb collect something from Him who sits on the throne. Are they still the same Personality? NO!
Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God not the God. John the Baptist said Behold the Lamb of God who took away the son of the world. John 1:29. He did not say "Behold God who took away the sin of the world. So Jesus Christ is the Lamb not the God. In heaven, The Lamb collects a scroll from Him who sits on the throne. Sir, they are two different Personalities but united together in One.
BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The doctrines of Oneness is not only opposite to the Word of God as clearly stated in the scripture, but it is also a misleading, misguiding and misinterpretation of the scripture. No matter how little or minus a misinterpretation of the scripture is, it can ruin many things in a Christian life and ministry.
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|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Bishopkingsley(m): 3:24pm On Jul 05|
May God forgive you for not having the ability to understand that God can be present in heaven and equally present on earth in the form of Jesus and the holy spirit at the same time
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|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 5:49pm On Jul 05|
Then please explain to us how many persons David saw in the spirit here;
Psalms 110 v 1;
The “LORD” said unto my “Lord” , Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Matthew 22 v 41-45;
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him “Lord” , saying,
44 The “LORD” said unto my “Lord” , Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him “Lord” , how is he his son?
Read slowly and ask who is the “LORD” and the “Lord” in these passages.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Betscoreodds: 5:59pm On Jul 05|
Trinity can't be explained only God gives this revelation to those he chooses let them believe that Jesus is small god or even angel Michael
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|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:02pm On Jul 05|
There’s nothing too mysterious about the trinity if you go beyond the literal numbers.
People confuse the oneness of God to a literal number One.
God (The Elohim) consists of multiple beings who are of one mind and purpose. That is the Oneness of God.
Different players, one team.
Just like a marriage for example…two couples, one flesh.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:05pm On Jul 05|
If God appears to you now in your room does that mean he has left heaven or does that mean he has vacated his throne
Therefore God can appear to you in your room and when he does you will still call him God there while Also he is equally present in other places of the earth or universe
That why he is omnipresent even in hell God is there
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:07pm On Jul 05|
No not multiple beings
Just one being
That appears in three identity called
Father, son, holy spirit
Just like you are one person made up of
Body, soul, spirit
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:12pm On Jul 05|
No one is disputing omnipresence of God. Let’s not conflate that to mean the son and the Father is the same person. They both bear the title (or let’s say “surname) of God (Elohim), however one’s name is the son (Yeshua) and the other is the Father (Yahweh)
Please how many beings did David see in Psalms 110 v 1 and Matthew 22 v 41-45
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:15pm On Jul 05|
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:18pm On Jul 05|
In a marriage, there’s ONE FLESH… but how many people are involved?
Another scripture to consider;
John 17 v 20-23;
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
Take note of the bolded verse and get the context of the oneness of God. It connotes unity.
Jesus is praying for the body of believers to BE ONE… just as he and the father are ONE.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:18pm On Jul 05|
If this scripture those not prove that Jesus is God then nothing will
John 1:18 “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.“
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:19pm On Jul 05|
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:19pm On Jul 05|
I don’t see Psalms 110 v 1 and Matthew 22 v 41-45 addressed there. How many beings did David see when he was in the spirit?
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:22pm On Jul 05|
So from the verse you quoted, Jesus (the son of God) is in a relationship with his Father.
The last I checked, a relationship requires at least two parties to be established. Can you be in a relationship with yourself only?
This thing is too basic to miss na.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:23pm On Jul 05|
Just as I thought. When man made doctrines collide with the truth, this is what happens.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:29pm On Jul 05|
People should research on modalism, that is one of the heretic doctrines the early church fought against. Research early church history. Modalism teaches the father and son are the same person.
It’s one of the heresies the early church fought against.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Jul 05|
Betscoreodds:Abeg carry all una kwe-kwe doctrines go sit down... whenever you stance is questioned, you suddenly suggest only God can teach it. I can tell you one thing.. God ain't teaching anything that stands in contradiction of that which Jesus Christ taught.
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|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 6:38pm On Jul 05|
And the irony of claiming only God can teach it is funny. We’ve got the Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth.
1 John 2 v 26-27;
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
At this point, anyone who chooses to stick their head into the sands of men’s doctrines rather than be thought by the Holy Spirit has him or herself to blame.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kobojunkie: 6:47pm On Jul 05|
OkCornel:Every doctrines and traditions of men are nothing but lies and an abomination to God where Jesus Christ, the Truth of God is concerned. - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14
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|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Betscoreodds: 6:49pm On Jul 05|
OkCornel:what you wrote has no relation to the examples he wrote instead of u to comment based on the father son holy spirit part discussion you brought another irrelevant idea up
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kingsnairaland(m): 6:51pm On Jul 05|
Kobojunkie:you don't believe in the Bible what are you doing here too
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kobojunkie: 7:03pm On Jul 05|
Kingsnairaland:Did you not hear God speak?
All doctrines and traditions of men, including those that require you place your belief in a book called the Bible, are an abomination to Almighty God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 ?
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by livingchrist: 7:04pm On Jul 05|
Modalism is the belief that God is one person who only has three names or has three office, however trinity is the doctrine that teaches that God is a trinity of persons.
Trinity has alot of backing from the scriptures right from Genesis when God said "let us make man" "us" used is a plural word for more than one persons and "Elohim" itself is a plural form of Eloi it literally means Gods.
Deuteronomy 6:4 also backs the trinity the the Lord thy God is one God.
The word translated as one is Echad which means a unity of plurality.
Yachad is used for a single individual,
Again, take a look at the scripture below,
Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
The person who is speaking prophetically is Jesus the one being sent, he is sent by the Lord God and his spirit, note how the spirit was separated from the Lord God by the use of "and" Jesus was sent by God the father and the Holy spirit making three persons.
The new testament is filled with the teaching of the trinity.
Oneness penticostal like every other false religion denies the scripture and instead hold to emotional/ psuedo-logical appeal instead.
What they do is actually calling Jesus a liar, how do you preach a Jesus you do not believe his words?
Jesus didnt glorify himself but the father.
Jesus said he was sent by the father, and that his testimony is true because his father also testify of him fulfilling the law, If Jesus was the same person as the father, he would have being lying and therefore broke his own law, the devil would have used that as an accusation.
Jesus said he has being with the father and knows everything the father does, infact John tells us Jesus was with God.
Jesus said he does not glorify himself, meaning some one else glorified Jesus, did the book of proverb not teach us that we shouldnt glorify ourself?
Jesus also said that he would send someone like himself who is the holy spirit.
When Jesus ascended to heaven he said he is going back to the father.
When stephen saw Jesus he saw Jesus standing at God's right hand,
John on the Island of pathos saw someone sitting on the throne with the lamb coming to take a book from him,
The epistles of the apostles are filled with greetings and teachings separating the three personalities.
For example, the Christian creed is
One faith, one hope, one baptism, one spirit, on Lorr who is out Lord Jesus and one God who is the father.
The last chapter of revelation Jesus and God are sitting on the throne, the holy spirit is called the seven spirit who is also before the throne.
Thos and many more are clear teachings of the trinity
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:07pm On Jul 05|
Wrong..... Trinity teach that God is one person
Who occupies three office
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:07pm On Jul 05|
Stop spreading nonsense lies God is one person hear oh Israel our lord God is one
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:10pm On Jul 05|
Unless you learnt your Trinity in a wrong way
God is one person.....
appearing in the form of father, son, holy spirit
We are his image
We appear and are made up of
Body, soul, spirit
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:13pm On Jul 05|
The problem of those who hate Trinity is they don't understand or believe that God has the power or the ability to be in heaven and equally be on earth as Jesus at the same time,,,,,,,,,,, so they put God in a box in there own definition
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kingsnairaland(m): 7:17pm On Jul 05|
Even devil has his own Trinity the dragon the beast the false prophet
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by livingchrist: 7:25pm On Jul 05|
Kingsnairaland:find out what trinity is,
The father, Son and holy Ghost are not offices but real persons until you acknowledge this you will never understand the scriptures.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by Kobojunkie: 7:25pm On Jul 05|
Kingsnairaland:Did you not hear God speak?
All doctrines and traditions of men, including your Trinity doctrine that require you place your belief in it to believe in God, are an abomination to Almighty God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 ?
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 7:52pm On Jul 05|
Oh wow, what I quoted from Jesus’ own mouth is an irrelevant idea? Interesting.
Please explain to us then what Jesus meant in John 17 v 22 when he prayed for the body of believers TO BE ONE JUST AS HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
And while at it, kindly explain to us how many beings David saw when he was in the spirit in Psalms 110 v 1 and Matthew 22 v 41-45.
|Re: The Errors Of Oneness Doctrine by OkCornel(m): 7:56pm On Jul 05|
You mean the same God that said;
Genesis 1 v 26;
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Can “us” and “our” relate to a single being?
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