youngpresidooo:
that's a lie.
They are paid more than that

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said you should preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world.

But how does that translate to winning souls when the same Jesus Christ said that many of those who will enter into His kingdom will do so by entering in through the broad gate which leads to Destruction, while only a few will find and enter through the narrow gate that leads to true life?

Muslim? where?

Kobojunkie:
How did you come to the conclusion that that is the 3end result and the fruit we are to bear as branches on the vine?

Yinkusgold:

there is no huge definition for winning soul. Infact how can you even know or determine if people's soul will be won since you can't force them they are not dummies, but all one can do is to reach out and preach the gospel to them, that is the prequisite, basic step of soul winning is there any act of soul winning that is outside this?
or else if God himself appear to the person like saul/paul, balaam.

Tzar:
So in their mind now, God deals with church head count? Walahi the devil is in Nigerian churches!
You can have 50000 congregant every day in your golden cathedral and they are ALL hell bound!
Another church cam have only 10 worshippers & they are all heaven bound. Na only carnally minded pastors like you dey use head count judge God’s presence & spiritual productivity o!

paxonel:
If that is the basis for the sack then it is justified. You can't abandon your primary duty to pursue something else and at the same time expect growth.

BePrepared:


Exactly my take too, some people are reprobate, even if the church dash everyone1 million today they will wail, hate and whimper thats their DNA no need even explaining

Kobojunkie:
1. So you agree that the idea of "winning souls" is in itself foolishness and those who count how many souls they have won are liars in this?

2. Jesus Christ sent us out to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and we are called to Obey His comandments/rules - it is that simple.

3. As for whether God appears or talks to people, He does. I can attest to that since it was God, not man, that brought me to my knees and He remains my one and only Teacher, just as He said in Jeremiah 31 vs 34 and reasserted in John 6 vs 43 - 45

Yinkusgold:

for those who have good IQ, soul winning is real, there is no need flogging the dead horse.
there were some people who were derailing but their lives changed until they were met with the gospel & they themselves testify to this. some of them are even evangelists, preachers e.t.c for the fact not all souls will be saved doesn't rule out the act of soul winning. u may not even know/count those u've changed

seyz91:
Confirm! You said it all

Don't mind those mumus jawe trying to justify nonsense

Which souls are they winning? Mtcheww

Its a simple maths, more souls(church member) more money(tithe and offering) no two ways about it

Yinkusgold:

for those who are wise, soul winning is possible but don't hide under such disguise for financial gain. atleast by God's reckoning there are righteous people today, because only God can see the mind but these people were preached to, they were not in this state then.
A person's life can get a positive turnaround through the gospel, what i disagree with is financial exploitation of worldly massive crowd.

kingxsamz:


Wow, so not "all men will hear the gospel"?
What happened to "the violent taketh it by force"? Why are they closing the churches, why didn't they use prayers to win them over? Like how Moses was able to free the people of Israelites?
Besides, I mentioned Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Will the Chidren in those countries now go to hell because their government didn't want the gospel preached to them? Haba!

kingxsamz:

All these one na lame excuses nobody is ready to read. Christians will say "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there" but na still their pastors dey vex say people no plenty for church, even though there are at least 3 churches in every street. There are more Christians in this country and they're still looking for more. They say they want to win souls, but the souls they want to win have already been won by another church.
So basically, what they're doing is trying to win members from other churches. And more members guarantees massive weekly income.
Na who do advert pass they usually sell, that's why their daddy GO is angry and sacking pastors anyhow because the pastors no get sweet mouth to cajole people to come and buy the market they're selling.
Anybody that says this isn't about tithe and offering is just lying to himself, so ya'll keep crying.

davidque:

Are you daft? you held on to the fact that the church closed its branches in Japan and ignored the fact that the church did that because it wasn't led to start church there and advised all member to join other churches........... You're bent on giving the church a bad name because of your prejudiced mind set. What exactly have you done to spread the gospel in your own personal capacity? That is if you're a Christian. You're consumed by the responsibilities of others and hv not highlighted yours. Grow up!

Igoni1stson:
Most of us fail to know our purpose in life and thereby fail to know our call to service based on our talents, skills, and spiritual gifts wherein engaging in services will have no passion for maybe because of the benefits or ignorance which leads to failure and lack of productivity.
I recommend everyone serious with his life to read "The Purpose Driven Life" by Rick Warren.

HigherEd:

To answer you, the living faith church is in 71 nations of the earth.
Many of them poor countries, e.g living faith has strong presence in Congo.
Also, not all nations are open to a ministry. The living faith once closed her branches in Japan. Once they realized the error of being in Japan without a divine mandate, they closed the church and advised members there to find another church to attend.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid that according the Jesus Christ, no man can win the soul of another to God as every man has that decision to make every moment of every day of his existence.

No matter the "good IQ" of the one who preaches to one, Jesus Christ Himself declares that the ones who belongs to Him are those who are taught by God - John 6 vs 43-45, those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments - john 14 vs 20 - 25

kingxsamz:

All these one na lame excuses nobody is ready to read. Christians will say "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there" but na still their pastors dey vex say people no plenty for church, even though there are at least 3 churches in every street. There are more Christians in this country and they're still looking for more. They say they want to win souls, but the souls they want to win have already been won by another church.
So basically, what they're doing is trying to win members from other churches. And more members guarantees massive weekly income.
Na who do advert pass they usually sell, that's why their daddy GO is angry and sacking pastors anyhow because the pastors no get sweet mouth to cajole people to come and buy the market they're selling.
Anybody that says this isn't about tithe and offering is just lying to himself, so ya'll keep crying.

Yinkusgold:

what is d essence of preaching d gospel, evangelism, follow me i will make you the fishers of men, the job is enormous but more labourers are needed, go ye into the world & preach the word, are all these for formalty reason? what are they meant to achieve? u see, i know people will make heaven but the-way they-made-it stories will be different. there are millions of believers across the world who will eventually make heaven but how they met the gospel, evangelism will be part of it.
Good evening to Victor Oladokun.

HigherEd:
First, I would commend the living faith church for the great work in investing churches across rural communities and employing paid 16,000 Pastors to lead those churches.

That said, this controversy allowed me to understand that a vast majority of us Nigerians behave like locust (apologies to anyone offended).

Eat, eat, eat is all they know. Contribution and multiplication is not their concern. Let's just exploit what is available, divide it, eat it and wait for the next supply.

This is why as a people we actually produce so little but consume so very much.
We are a nation of exploiters...

I have learnt personal lessons from this writeup and I would be sure to make personal amends in my own life. Just about condemning those pastors that are running from duty, and the holy spirit reminded me of something that was placed in my hand which failed but I have not given account neither have I replaced it to the person. The person never asked probably cause of our close relationship, and he's rich but that doesn't absolves me of my responsibility to integrity.

1) Never accept to do anything you have no passion for simply because of economic benefits whether fringe or large.

2) Whatever has been committed to your hands by those who invested in you must be nurtured to grow with all your effort.

3) If what has been committed to your hand fails for any reason, have the honor to return it at least the way you met it. Be truthful to your investor. Don't wait till you are fired or cursed out.
As a people we must learn to RESIGN when we see glaringly that we are unqualified or unable to carry certain responsibilities.

davidque:


Are you daft? you held on to the fact that the church closed its branches in Japan and ignored the fact that the church did that because it wasn't led to start church there and advised all member to join other churches........... You're bent on giving the church a bad name because of your prejudiced mind set. What exactly have you done to spread the gospel in your own personal capacity? That is if you're a Christian. You're consumed by the responsibilities of others and hv not highlighted yours. Grow up!

InvertedHammer:
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So their idea of winning souls is calculated by church attendance. If high attendance is their concern and not the cash flow, they should start doing giveaways after church services. There won't be enough auditorium in Nigeria to contain their followers.

Profitability is a term associated with a business and not work of God.

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remsonik:
This is a nice thing. I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail. If you know you can't pastor a church don't take the job cos it's a call and you have to be really dedicated to it. It's not something you can do as side hustle or for play.

NobleRace:


You're just being ignorant.

There are two types of fruits in the Bible. The fruits Jesus was talking about in John 3 is related to salvation - Bringing people into the kingdom. While the fruits John was talking about are spiritual fruits which are the outcome of true repentance as in Galatians 5 - also called fruits of the Spirit.

We as humans beings can only bear fruits by bringing as many people as we can into the church. Out of those we bring, some would enter into the kingdom. However, the matter of true repentance and bearing the fruits of the Spirit isn't the work of man. This is the work of the Holy Spirit plus the cooperation of the individual concerned.

So, we're told to go into the highways and all places to bring the masses in, "that they may know Him the Only true God, and Jesus Christ whom He has sent."

Sanchez01:
I know how pentecostal churches function quite well. If you have issues with the church, IT WILL BE SPELT IN YOUR LETTER OF DISMISSAL but nowhere in that letter did the church state that the pastors left their primary places of assignments. Plus, full time pastors rely solely on the monthly earning from the church. IF THE PASTORS WERE ASSIGNED THEN IT MEANS THEY WERE ON THE CHURCH'S PAYROLL.

The letter below took them up on GROWTH INDEX and not negligence. I have seen these things up close TOO MANY TIMES. Yes, pastors have KPIs, as surprising as it is and it is what is used in determining their performance. Interestingly, RETURNS is the summary of their KPIs. A sign your church is doing well is the number of MONTHLY RETURNS and sign that it is not is the LOW RETURNS. I have seen pastors queried, redeployed and even demoted FOR NOT GROWING THEIR CHURCH.

All these explanations are just excuses on behalf of the modus operandi of Pentecostalism in Nigeria. The model is American and it is a disgusting one.

tsmat:



Oga sit down and shut up.
If your relatives were dismissed they should go and find job.

All this cumming all over church matter won't help you.