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Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by KaideeGee(m): 5:04pm On Aug 06, 2021
Kobojunkie

I apologize if I came across as condescending earlier on.

Let me back track a bit.

No one is abolishing anything. The fact that we have righteousness through faith in Christ doesn't mean we are entitled to disregard the law. In fact, this is even more reason to obey it.
The One who gives life is more than able to take it.
Disregarding the law is nothing less than trying to put Christ to death all over again, it is a mockery of God's righteousness. God will punish those who do that.
If we love God, we keep his commandments... That is literally the condensed version of Jesus teachings.
Disregarding his commandments is tantamount to saying you do not love him. I don't think any right thinking person can argue about that.
On the other hand, obeying his commandments is a gesture of recognition and appreciation towards the free gift He gave.

When I say there is no righteousness outside Christ, I mean, without surrendering your life to God through His Son, without believing that Jesus died and rose again, that His death was a propitiation for sin, without being reborn, not of flesh but of the Spirit...
No matter how morally upright you are, on the last day your place will be with the father of unrighteousness, The Devil.
That is what I mean.

>> But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 3:21‭-‬26 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.21-26.NJKV.
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Kobojunkie: 5:54pm On Aug 06, 2021
KaideeGee:

When I say there is no righteousness outside Christ, I mean, without surrendering your life to God through His Son, without believing that Jesus died and rose again, that His death was a propitiation for sin, without being reborn, not of flesh but of the Spirit...
No matter how morally upright you are, on the last day your place will be with the father of unrighteousness, The Devil.
That is what I mean.


....Romans 3:21‭-‬26 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.21-26.NJKV.
I am afraid you are still missing the point for which which statement "There is no righteousness outside of Christ" remains false. undecided

Outside of Jesus Christ, there are those who are of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, the Jews , born of the blood of Jacob. That Law, which still lives to this day day forever, is still a path to righteousness outside of Jesus Christ. Those under that Law are even today still able to attain God's righteousness through the following God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, this without believing that Jesus Christ died and rose again. undecided

Jesus Christ proclaimed that He did not come to save those already made righteous by following the Old Law but those sinners, who are weary and heavy laden, this from following of the Old Covenant Law. Throughout His teachings, Jesus Christ never once suggested that He was the only way to God's righteousness. In fact, in His encounter with Zaccheus, Jesus Christ rejoiced, when Zaccheus, by following God's Old Covenant Law , obtain Salvation as proclaimed by God in Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20, proving that God's righteousness is God's whether does through the Old way or the New Covenant way... the same God. undecided

So, the assumption that it is only through Jesus Christ that one can obtain God's righteousness is flawed and hence the reason why I submit that the problem is from your understanding or even your interpretation of that which is written in scripture. Note that scripture is not meant to be considered in bits but as a whole. undecided

A better way to maybe frame your claim is to insist that for those who are of Gentile roots, there is no God's Righteousness outside of Jesus Christ . lipsrsealed
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by KaideeGee(m): 7:45pm On Aug 06, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are still missing the point for which which statement "There is no righteousness outside of Christ" remains false. undecided

Outside of Jesus Christ, there are those who are of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, the Jews , born of the blood of Jacob. That Law, which still lives to this day day forever, is still a path to righteousness outside of Jesus Christ. Those under that Law are even today still able to attain God's righteousness through the following God's Old Covenant Law of Moses, this without believing that Jesus Christ died and rose again. undecided

Jesus Christ proclaimed that He did not come to save those already made righteous by following the Old Law but those sinners, who are weary and heavy laden, this from following of the Old Covenant Law. Throughout His teachings, Jesus Christ never once suggested that He was the only way to God's righteousness. In fact, in His encounter with Zaccheus, Jesus Christ rejoiced, when Zaccheus, by following God's Old Covenant Law , obtain Salvation as proclaimed by God in Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20, proving that God's righteousness is God's whether does through the Old way or the New Covenant way... the same God. undecided

So, the assumption that it is only through Jesus Christ that one can obtain God's righteousness is flawed and hence the reason why I submit that the problem is from your understanding or even your interpretation of that which is written in scripture. Note that scripture is not meant to be considered in bits but as a whole. undecided

A better way to maybe frame your claim is to insist that for those who are of Gentile roots, there is no God's Righteousness outside of Jesus Christ . lipsrsealed

I am really impressed and to be honest, slightly annoyed at your obstinacy.
Please how would you interpret this scripture

>> God looks down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there are any who understand, who seek God. Every one of them has turned aside; They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one. <<
Psalms 53:2‭-‬3 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/psa.53.2-3.NKJV

Or this

>> We have sinned with our fathers, We have committed iniquity, We have done wickedly.
Psalms 106:6 NKJV. <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/psa.106.6.NKJV.

Or this

>> For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.5.20.NKJV

The righteousness of the Pharisees is that of the law. Only through faith in Christ coupled with conscious adherence to God's word can our righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees.

>> Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” <<
John 8:24 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.8.24.NKJV

I hope you can understand now?
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by KaideeGee(m): 7:49pm On Aug 06, 2021
These too, for good measure

>> And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; <<
John 16:8‭-‬9 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.16.8-9.NKJV

>> The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
John 1:29 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.1.29.NKJV

>> To give knowledge of salvation to His people By the remission of their sins,
Luke 1:77 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/luk.1.77.NKJV
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by KaideeGee(m): 8:06pm On Aug 06, 2021
Kobojunkie, here is more

Anything outside Faith is sin, therefore unrighteousness.

>> But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
Romans 14:23 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.14.23.NKJV

>> Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.20.NKJV
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Kobojunkie: 8:07pm On Aug 06, 2021
KaideeGee:
I am really impressed and to be honest, slightly annoyed at your obstinacy.
Please how would you interpret this scripture

>> For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:20 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.5.20.NKJV

The righteousness of the Pharisees is that of the law. Only through faith in Christ coupled with conscious adherence to God's word can our righteousness exceed that of the Pharisees.

>> Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” <<
John 8:24 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jhn.8.24.NKJV

I hope you can understand now?
Let's separate those, shall we? undecided

1. Jesus Christ never said the righteousness of the Pharisees, which they gained through the following of their own doctrines and traditions, amounted to God's righteousness. God's righteousness, be it obtained from the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, as Jesus Christ Himself did, or through the following of the New Covenant, is not man's righteousness neither the righteousness of the Pharisees. undecided

2. Again, Jesus Christ came to call to Himself, the sinners and not those who have fulfilled the Law and were made Righteous by God in the land of Israel. So, those He warned were those He came for, not those who did not have need of Him since they had already been made Righteous by their following of the Old Law .e.g. John the Baptist, and others I have pointed out before now. undecided

As I have said before now, scripture is not meant to be considered in bits but as a whole. Randomly picking verses here and there without full grasp of the details, will not change God's Truth, but instead cause one to believe a lie if one is not willing to properly consider the Truth even in the context presented. undecided
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by KaideeGee(m): 8:10pm On Aug 06, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Let's separate those, shall we? undecided

1. Jesus Christ never said the righteousness of the Pharisees, which they gained through the following of their own doctrines and traditions, amounted to God's righteousness. God's righteousness, be it obtained from the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, as Jesus Christ Himself did, or through the following of the New Covenant, is not man's righteousness neither the righteousness of the Pharisees. undecided

2. Again, Jesus Christ came to call to Himself, the sinners and not those who have fulfilled the Law and were made Righteous by God in the land of Israel. So, those He warned were those He came for, not those who did not have need of Him since they had already been made Righteous by their following of the Old Law .e.g. John the Baptist, and others I have pointed out before now. undecided

Honestly, dude whatever you believe is up to you, I've done my part... Happy living.
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Kobojunkie: 8:18pm On Aug 06, 2021
KaideeGee:
Kobojunkie, here is more

Anything outside Faith is sin, therefore unrighteousness.

>> But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
Romans 14:23 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.14.23.NKJV

>> Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20 NKJV <<
https://bible.com/bible/114/rom.3.20.NKJV
Everyone who believes in God, from the beginning, honors Him only through their obedience of His Law, for without obedience , it is impossible to please God. Yes, Obedience is the realization of your faith in God, the opposite of Sin(disobedience). undecided

Even those of the Old Covenant honor God by faith and this through submission to and obedience of His commandments & statues, just like their father, Abraham, and in much the same way that Jesus Christ did when He submitted to and obeyed the Will of His Father as He fulfilled the Old Covenant Law as well. undecided

Faith is the building block of every relationship with God, regardless of the Covenant that one belongs to. undecided
Re: Righteousness Is Not By Our Works by Kobojunkie: 8:19pm On Aug 06, 2021
KaideeGee:

Honestly, dude whatever you believe is up to you, I've done my part... Happy living.
We are called to teach the Truth of God, not what our individual beliefs. undecided

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