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⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 9:40am On Aug 05, 2021 |
Paul often says that human beings are righteous by faith (e.g., Rom. 1:17; 3:22, 26; 4:3, 5, 9, 13; 9:30; 10:4; Gal. 2:16; 3:6, 11; 5:5; Phil. 3:9). In such contexts Paul contrasts righteousness by faith with righteousness by works. Ordinarily, people are declared to be righteous in human courts on the basis of their good behavior. That is, if they did what is good, they are declared to be in the right; but if they did what is evil, they are condemned. Paul, however, maintains that it is not those who work but those who believe who are righteous before God (Rom. 4:4–5). Indeed, no one can be righteous by works before God, for all have fallen short of what he requires (Rom. 3:23). Righteousness by faith, then, must refer to the gift of righteousness given to human beings by God. Human beings are not justified on the basis of doing but on the basis of believing. God declares the ungodly to be righteous (Rom. 4:5). Nor does Paul view faith as a “work” that merits the declaration of righteousness. Faith saves because it looks entirely to what God has done for believers in Christ. It rests on Christ’s death for the forgiveness of sins and his resurrection for the sake of their justification (Rom. 3:21–26; 4:25). The righteousness given to believers, then, is alien since it is not based on anything they have done but only on God’s work in Christ. This suggests that righteousness as a gift is granted to those who believe. Actually what God is saying is that once I give you my holy spirit because the Righteousness of God is in the holy spirit Then you will equally have the ability to carry out my laws my works You can't do any good thing until God gives you his Righteousness 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:51am On Aug 05, 2021 |
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Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:52am On Aug 05, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker:I will explain more on here |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:25pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: That scripture has no impact on this topic because the turn you part is about believing in the one who God sent Jesus proves it by showing What the work of God actually means |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 1:06pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Is this not the Same Christ Jesus speaking here in Proverbs? Did Christ Jesus not say "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" (John 14:6)? Is this not Christ Jesus who spoke herein in Proverbs below? Chapter 8:20-30 "I lead in the WAY of Righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgement; (John 14:6) - THE WAY! That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures. 22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (John 1:1) 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; (John1:1) Verse 8:7 "For MY MOUTH SHALL SPEAK TRUTH" (John 14:6)- THE TRUTH Proverbs 3:13, 18, 21, 22 "Wisdom is a TREE OF LIFE to them that lay hold upon her. Keep sound wisdom and discretion: So shall they be Life unto thy soul,.... (John 14:6) THE LIFE. You must DO THE TURNING YOURSELF! "If thou Turn and Do the Words of The Lord, thou do it for thyself. If thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it." I am done! |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:17pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: https://www.nairaland.com/6686766/righteousness-god-not-according-works Show me where God speaks or Bible show Christian Righteousness 1. John. 14:15, "if you love me keep my COMMANDMENT Lol That is not Christian Righteousness Stop adding to Bible |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:22pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: My brother we are talking about Righteousness The definition of doing good works of man vs what God defines good works as John 6:29 New International Version Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” New Living Translation Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 1:23pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Have you not read the numerous examples of the scriptures I quoted for you? |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:25pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: Show me where Bible state Christian Righteousness Just show me don't add your own word to it and say it the meaning of Christian Righteousness |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 1:26pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:What is the meaning of righteousness? |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:26pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: [b]There is "God's righteousness" and there is "Christian's righteousness" Eg. Of Christians righteousness is in 1. John. 14:15, "if you love me keep my COMMANDMENT (righteousness)" That completely wrong and not from God to say there is Christian Righteousness |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:28pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: Bible say Righteousness is a gift It is ability to do good work according to how God wants it Righteousness is the condition of being in right relationship with the Lord. This can only happen through total faith and dependence upon Christ. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:33pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bible only defines two Righteousness 1)Self Righteousness 2)God's Righteousness Also called the Righteousness of Christ Jesus |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Dtruthspeaker: 1:33pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: No sir, you imported me from the thread which was laying down the Truth that RIGHTEOUSNESS SHOULD AND MUST BE DONE BY The True Children of God, wherein I said all the things you sought to oppose but you can now see that you are Off-Way! |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:35pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Dtruthspeaker: Bible only defines two Righteousness 1)Self Righteousness 2)God's Righteousness Also called the Righteousness of Christ Jesus Righteousness is the condition of being in right relationship with the Lord. This can only happen through total faith and dependence upon Christ. First Accept there is no good work that can save you The only work that can save you is to accept Jesus as your lord God and Savior first |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 1:35pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Ok.... What does it mean to [b]"work out your salvation with fear and trembling?" What about this.... "Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous" Don't you think if you practice RIGHTEOUSNESS and you become righteous, it's "your righteousness as a Christian?" |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 1:41pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: @the bolden please list out the "good works" that translate to mean "righteousness" let's compare and contrast. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:43pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: My brother What does it mean to [b]"work out your salvation with fear and trembling?" What about this.... "Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous" Answer This place is directly talking to those who Have the holy spirit those who already now have the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus It talking to them to become aware of the gift in them for them to work it out by doing the things of God since they now have the power because some think since they have holy spirit they don't need to work good works so Paul is reminding them to do good works Someone who has not accepted Jesus does not have the power to stop sin or does not have the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus ************** Don't you think if you practice RIGHTEOUSNESS and you become righteous, it's "your righteousness as a Christian?" Answer If you practice Righteousness Without accepting Jesus as your lord God and Savior and without receiving the holy spirit God says that your Righteousness Is self Righteousness And means nothing to him |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:46pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: It is ability to do good work according to how God wants it Answer First you can't do good works that God requires Until you do this below John 6:29 New International Version Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” New Living Translation Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” Until you accept Jesus as your lord God and Savior |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 1:57pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:You are confusing yourself. Please was Peter talking to unbelievers in 2 Peter 1:1-9? Please was John talking to those who did not accept, or believe in Jesus in 1 John 3:7-10? |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:01pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Before I started I said that it is good to rightly dividing the word of truth... It is also good to be in depth and comprehensive in the studies of the scriptures. Chech what you are typing because you have ended up trying to amend your original post. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:06pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: you are completely confused with the steps of salvation First God is actually the one who enables any one to believe in Jesus After he does this great work for you You can now accept Jesus into your life Next he gives you the holy spirit The holy spirit gives you the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus From there Christ begins to form inside you and God write his laws in your heart Which will enable you to be able to do good work and sin will not have dominion over you That does not mean you will not sin But God says it won't dominate you and you are now having the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus Once you sin the laws of God in your heart won't let you rest until you Repent and forsake that sin That how it works Now if you don't accept Jesus as you lord God and Savior Your self Righteousness is nothing to God It as simple as 123 |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:09pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: I did not mix sin with steps of Righteousness because you were the one trying to mix it as if I allow sin That why I check you up First accept there is nothing like Christian Righteousness |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:11pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Where we discussing "steps of salvation?" Answer my questions from the 2 portion of the scriptures I gave you please. Don't divert again, stay on the topic. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:16pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: You believe in trinity, yet there is no such word as trinity in the Bible. Same thing as "Christian Righteousness". It is term used to express Christian ways of expected daily living as is evident in the 2 portions I submitted. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:18pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod:Please answer this questions |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:31pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: 1 John 3:7-10? 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother *****'' '' *'' '.' '********** 1 John 3:7-10? Little children... 1 John. The First Letter of John was apparently addressed to a group of churches where “false prophets,” denounced as Antichrist, denied the Incarnation of Jesus Now look at what John say here1 John 3:8.... 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; And look at what he equally says here first John...... 1John 1:8 [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. Do you see one place is talking about both every one, people who come to church general preaching The other place is to people who already have the holy spirit If you doubt it explain why two sentences contradicts each other *******'' ''. '******* Peter 1:1-9? Let me study this to answer it soon |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:41pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: 1 Peter 1:1-9 King James Version 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.( . 1 Peter is addressed to the "elect resident aliens" scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. The five areas listed in 1:1 as the geographical location of the first readers were Roman provinces in Asia Minor. To born again |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:47pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:There is no Contradiction in that passage. Bro. John was admonishing the church on Christian living. As those who abide in Christ should not sin but do righteousness. When you are born of God the spirit of God will quicken you from committing sin. Vrs 10 says that between sin and righteousness, the true children of God will be made manifest. But you are saying that no one is justified by his righteousness. It is you that contradict yourself. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:49pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:2 Peter 1:1-9 not 1 Peter. |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:53pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
GardenOfGod: But you are saying that no one is justified by his righteousness. It is you that contradict yourself. Answer What I say is that no man can be justified by self Righteousness Note the difference No one is be justified by his own Righteousness or by his self Righteousness That is what God says You can only be justified by the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus |
Re: ⚫⚫⚫⚫righteousness Of God Not According To Works by GardenOfGod(m): 2:54pm On Aug 05, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley:Now from the admonition of John in that portion, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT THOSE THAT DO RIGHTEOUSNESS ARE SONS OF GOD? HAVE YOU ALSO SEEN THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS A MUST IN THE LIFE OF ALL CHRISTIANS? Yes or No |
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