freshboi88:


If God is Jesus Throne...then Jesus sits on top of God..... hahahaha...JW pple no go kill person

GardenOfGod:
We were in a particular group discussing Jesus and the Witnesses' view of his deity.
I aired my views and actually said I would not like to be involved in the arguments.
But MaxInDHouse quoted me and started challenging me...
Here's how everything went....

GardenOfGod:
So we started debating...

GardenOfGod:
We went into original Greek text of the scriptures..... He posted an intearlinear to confirm his stace....


He posted it and our bone of contention was if the word "god" is in John 1:1 in original Greek text

MaxInDHouse:
You are a clown!
Of course Jesus is God {John 1:1} just as Moses was God nah! Exodus 7:1

MaxInDHouse:
Go and announce to them what you learned from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

GardenOfGod:

You are stabbing yourself..... In case you have forgotten... Look down.


You are confused.

Attend to the questions I posted for you.

GardenOfGod:

Why are you running away from Matt. 22 :32?
Are you doing how MaxInDHouse did?

Janosky:

Bros, very good question.

Below is a copy of the Greek interlinear of Matthew 22:32.
32
And
kai

whoever
hos ean

speaks
legō

a

word
logos

against
kata

the
ho

Son
hyios

of
ho

Man
anthrōpos

will

be

forgiven
aphiēmi
;

but
de

whoever
hos

speaks
legō

against
kata

the
ho

Holy
hagios

Spirit
pneuma

·
ho

will

not
ou

be

forgiven
aphiēmi
,

neither
oute

in
en

this
houtos

·
ho

age
aiōn

nor
oute

in
en

the
ho

age

to

come
mellō"


Bros, is there "Theos" @ Matthew 22:32?
Pls , examine the manuscript thoroughly & judge for yourself.
.

Janosky:

Why was Greek 3588 omitted in your Screenshot of John 1:1?

Matthew 22:31-32, Luke 20:37-38, Jesus says (quoted Exodus 3:6 )" JEHOVAH ho Theos of Abraham."
Acts 3:13, did Peter say Jesus is ho Theos of Abraham"?
Bros,

MaxInDHouse:


So Jesus said to (Jehovah's Witnesses): “Come after me, and I will make you fishers of men"

Keep crying over letters that you can't put to use!

Where is the EVIDENCE that you and your Churches are FISHERS OF MEN?

SEE the evidence of Jesus (Archangel Michael) actively WORKING with his REAL followers!

RussellRutherfo:


Fishers of what men.

You want to deceive GardenofGod probably because he may not have been at a Kingdom hall before.

Imagine a cult organization of about 152years with so much media and publication propaganda all through the years of their false prophecies and all they can boast of is just about 400,000 registrated publishers in Nigeria and a meagre 8.5million worldwide.
Redeem Church even beats them population wise.

RussellRutherfo:

Many in the West are rapidly waking up and dissatisfacting themselves from the JW cult. There is no day I wake up and there is a new member to the Ex-JW community.

RussellRutherfo:


When it comes to the Bible. Jehovah witnesses are "Maradonnas". They are trained to run away from the point.

RussellRutherfo:


While MaxDInHouse is a little sensible.
You see that Janosky. He is a mad jw dog unleashed. He doesn't know anything except quoting irrelevant verses that he has not read and never supports his jw cult teachings.

MaxInDHouse:

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" Matthew 7:13-14



“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able" Luke 13:24

It's only the toughest can keep walking on the path that leads to everlasting life!

GardenOfGod:

RussellRutherfo:


It's now go through the narrow path.

You mean YHWH/Jehovah is so unjust that HE created about 8.5billion people so that only 8.5million people will be in paradise?
What exactly is toughest about the JW cult.
The JW Cult is so easy to penetrate.
All what one needs to do is pretend that they are "humble" enough to take in the lies of the Watchtower through the nonsense called "Bible Study" and clock in with other works and boom. You quickly become a baptized publisher.
The JW Cult currently needs members so they are baptizing even children forcely via their brainwashed parents who compel these children.

RussellRutherfo:





Fishers of what men.



You want to deceive GardenofGod probably because he may not have been at a Kingdom hall before.


Imagine a cult organization of about 152years with so much media and publication propaganda all through the years of their false prophecies and all they can boast of is just about 400,000 registrated publishers in Nigeria and a meagre 8.5million worldwide.

Redeem Church even beats them population wise. Many in the West are rapidly waking up and dissatisfacting themselves from the JW cult. There is no day I wake up and there is a new member to the Ex-JW community.

RussellRutherfo:


Noahic convenant vs Jesus's convenant.
Which is greater?
Is the convenant of anyone calling upon the name of Jesus who is the LORD(Jehovah) whether they be Jew or Gentile, Christian or Non-Christian just like the Thief on the Cross indicated in the Scripture that it is only Jehovah witnesses that will "enter the ark"?!!

Nope!! That is a pure lie from the pit of Satan by Jehovah witnesses. The Noahic convenant pales in comparison to the Convenant by Jesus Christ of which even Abraham called on the name of Jesus Kyrios (LXX Septuagint) and Jehovah (Latin transliteration).

The Israelites were told to call upon the name of the Kyrios/Jehovah in Joel 2:32.
Joel 2:32 NASB20 — “And it will come about that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD Will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape, Just as the LORD has said, Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

This was the same Joel 2:32 quoted in Romans 10:13 referring to Jesus Christ who is the Jehovah that any one can call upon and be saved.


Romans 10:9-13 NASB20 — that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


Romans 10:9-13 most especially Romans 10 verse 13 in the perverted NWT translation that puts Jehovah in place of LORD/Lord(Kyrios) proving that Jesus Christ is the Name of Jehovah/LORD/Lord/Kyrios that anyone who as much as call upon HIM will be saved

9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration+ for salvation
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”+ 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”+


So while the 8.5m active blasphemers and false prophet organization cult members like yourself, Dappa, Janosky, About, etcetera who will refuse to quit your blasphemy of Jesus Christ by calling HIM Angel Michael and going about spreading false teachings of Jesus enthroned in 1914 as if you, jw cult adherents, Russel(Founder and Angel of your cult), Rutherford, etcetera attended the enthroning ceremony of Jesus Christ or na una help the Father organise the enthronment ceremony plus your false prophecies and mockery of YHWH will not be saved but individuals like GardenofGod, Achorladey, etcetera who are calling you all away from your cult and many others who boldly declare the Lamb will be a part of the billions that will stand before the throne.

The Uncountable Great Crowd obviously numbering into their billions or trillions till when the end of times come in white robes from all corners and tribes worshipping the Lamb who sits on the throne of HIS Invisible Father of whom you refer to as Jehovah but from whom the Visible Image and Logos of God came forth from and took on flesh(John 1:14) sharing the same essence with HIS Father.

MaxInDHouse:


[s]You err Sir, Jehovah did not create more than two persons (Adam and Eve) after their rebellion all their descendants are like waste products before the true God that's why Jesus referred to unbelievers as walking corpse {Luke 9:60} And assured us that Paradise will only be for few just as it occurred in the days of Noah {Luke 17:26-17} do you still remember how many people survived Jehovah's anger back then? Well it's just 8 persons who were ORGANIZED in doing the will of the true God.
Were they perfect humans? The Bible made us understand that they weren't perfect human but one thing is sure about them, they were unitedly doing God's will!
So if you concluded that it's a cult that's doing God's will today but you can't find a better performing group then know that you've given the right group a wrong label! Matthew 10:25 [/s]

RussellRutherfo:



It's now go through the narrow path.


You mean YHWH/Jehovah is so unjust that HE created about 8.5billion people so that only 8.5million people will be in paradise?
.

RussellRutherfo:


What exactly is toughest about the JW cult.

The JW Cult is so easy to penetrate.
All what one needs to do is pretend that they are "humble" enough to take in the lies of the Watchtower through the nonsense called "Bible Study" and clock in with other works and boom. You quickly become a baptized publisher.
.

RussellRutherfo:


The JW Cult currently needs members so they are baptizing even children forcely via their brainwashed parents who compel these children.

Janosky:

This Rutherfo continues typing GIBBERISH
How many persons entered Noah's ark & were saved from the global deluge?
Read the Screenshots of your fellow 3 deities Polytheists RCCG operandi in America and Nigeria.
Their men dey wear ear rings dey conduct church services & who born you to climb RCCG Nigeria pulpit dey conduct service?
You can NEVER get near any kingdom hall pulpit with that nonsense.
The same model for Bible study in America and Nigeria, JWs are well known for that.

RussellRutherfo:


Noahic convenant vs Jesus's convenant.
Which is greater?
Is the convenant of anyone calling upon the name of Jesus who is the LORD(Jehovah) whether they be Jew or Gentile, Christian or Non-Christian just like the Thief on the Cross indicated in the Scripture that it is only Jehovah witnesses that will "enter the ark"?!!

Nope!! That is a pure lie from the pit of Satan by Jehovah witnesses. The Noahic convenant pales in comparison to the Convenant by Jesus Christ of which even Abraham called on the name of Jesus Kyrios (LXX Septuagint) and Jehovah (Latin transliteration).

The Israelites were told to call upon the name of the Kyrios/Jehovah in Joel 2:32.
Joel 2:32 NASB20 — “And it will come about that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD Will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape, Just as the LORD has said, Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

This was the same Joel 2:32 quoted in Romans 10:13 referring to Jesus Christ who is the Jehovah that any one can call upon and be saved.


Romans 10:9-13 NASB20 — that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”


Romans 10:9-13 most especially Romans 10 verse 13 in the perverted NWT translation that puts Jehovah in place of LORD/Lord(Kyrios) proving that Jesus Christ is the Name of Jehovah/LORD/Lord/Kyrios that anyone who as much as call upon HIM will be saved

9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration+ for salvation
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”+ 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”+


So while the 8.5m active blasphemers and false prophet organization cult members like yourself, Dappa, Janosky, About, etcetera who will refuse to quit your blasphemy of Jesus Christ by calling HIM Angel Michael and going about spreading false teachings of Jesus enthroned in 1914 as if you, jw cult adherents, Russel(Founder and Angel of your cult), Rutherford, etcetera attended the enthroning ceremony of Jesus Christ or na una help the Father organise the enthronment ceremony plus your false prophecies and mockery of YHWH will not be saved but individuals like GardenofGod, Achorladey, etcetera who are calling you all away from your cult and many others who boldly declare the Lamb will be a part of the billions that will stand before the throne.

The Uncountable Great Crowd obviously numbering into their billions or trillions till when the end of times come in white robes from all corners and tribes worshipping the Lamb who sits on the throne of HIS Invisible Father of whom you refer to as Jehovah but from whom the Visible Image and Logos of God came forth from and took on flesh(John 1:14) sharing the same essence with HIS Father.

Janosky:


How many persons entered Noah's ark & were saved from the global flood?

Mumu WAILER
Did Ananias and Sapphira pretence deceive Jehovah?
Did king Saul doing spiritism deceive Jehovah?
1 Samuel 16:7, study diligently and receive SENSE.

Rutherfo GIBBERISH
In your Bible who forced Timothy to worship Jehovah?
"From infancy he learnt the holy scriptures."
To worship Jehovah is a personal decision.

RussellRutherfo:

Mad JW Cult rat Janosky with blood clot in his brain.
Woodenhead Janosky.
Rutherford's Slave a.k.a Russelite false prophecy Vagabond.
Is the Watchtower organization not a Occultist organization with their copy of Spirit medium Johannes Grieber's rendition of some Bible verses that he claimed to have gotten from communication with some Spirits?!!
Noahic convenant is the foreshadow of the greater convenant- the Jesus convenant whereby any I repeat anyone that genuinely calls on the name of Jehovah-That is Jesus will be saved( Joel 2:32; Romans 10:32, etcetera).
And this is why Janosky a.k.a Slave of Rutherford. There will be Uncountable multitude of People in White robes before the throne worshipping the Lamb(The Visible Image and Word of God who took on flesh in John 1:14) who sits on the throne of HIS Invisible Father, the Light from whom HE, Jesus, true Light rose from to open the seal for all mankind (Revelation 5) while the rest of your 8.5m Rutherford's slaves and blasphemers will be casted outside the Kingdom where you all will continue with Satan your father, the first known liar and inventor of false changed teachings.

MaxInDHouse:



I'm not the one who likens Jesus to Noah Sir, it was Jesus himself!


For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be. Matthew 24:37-39

Millions perished during Noah's time and only 8 souls who were UNITEDLY doing God's will were saved! Matthew 7:13-14

So no be me talk am Sir, na Jesus himself talk am!

MaxInDHouse:


I responded you cancelled it, Janosky own you got provoked again.
Please don't get BP over JWs matter o, whether you like it or not we will continue doing what we love doing:
Preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all our neighbourhood as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

RussellRutherfo:

[b]Humans cannot be saved based on their own efforts.

RussellRutherfo:

I cancelled what?!
Doing the usual JW dance of shame whereby you try to throw dust in the eyes so people forget the lies of the jw cult.
The cult organization will continue blaspheming Jesus and misleading millions of jw goats to hell.

RussellRutherfo:


Noahic convenant vs Jesus's convenant.
Which is greater?
Is the convenant of anyone calling upon the name of Jesus who is the LORD(Jehovah)

RussellRutherfo:


whether they be Jew or Gentile, Christian or Non-Christian just like the Thief on the Cross indicated in the Scripture that it is only Jehovah witnesses that will "enter the ark"?!!
Nope!! That is a pure lie from the pit of Satan by Jehovah witnesses

RussellRutherfo:


. The Noahic convenant pales in comparison to the Convenant by Jesus Christ of which even Abraham called on the name of Jesus Kyrios (LXX Septuagint) and Jehovah (Latin transliteration).

RussellRutherfo:


The Israelites were told to call upon the name of the Kyrios/Jehovah in Joel 2:32.
Joel 2:32 NASB20 — “And it will come about that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD Will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape, Just as the LORD has said, Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

RussellRutherfo:


This was the same Joel 2:32 quoted in Romans 10:13 referring to Jesus Christ who is the Jehovah that any one can call upon and be saved.

Did Paul read the Septuagint?
Rutherfo, please stop typing GIBBERISH. .
Paul read the Hebrew scroll of Joel with the tetragrammaton. Paul knows God's name in Joel 2:32

RussellRutherfo:


Romans 10:9-13 NASB20 — that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”

[quote author=RussellRutherfo post=110779880]

Romans 10:9-13 most especially Romans 10 verse 13 in the perverted NWT translation that puts Jehovah in place of LORD/Lord(Kyrios) proving that Jesus Christ is the Name of Jehovah/LORD/Lord/Kyrios that anyone who as much as call upon HIM will be saved

9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration+ for salvation
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”+ 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek.+ There is the same Lord over all, who is rich* toward all those calling on him. 13 For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah* will be saved.”+

Romans 10:9 the God raised his son & made His son Lord (Acts 2:34-36).
Romans 10:11 ,a quote of Isaiah 28:16.
Did Jehovah say himself is a cornerstone?
NEVER!
Romans 10:12 , Matthew 6:9 & Phillipians 4:6,19 are you praying to Jesus to supply your needs & give you riches?
Romans 10:12 references Jehovah God, the Sovereign LORD superior above Jesus- Matthew 11:25
(When John 17:7 & Matthew 11:25 vex you, Rutherfo argue against Jesus Christ ).
Romans 10:13 quote of Joel 2:32 all the Jews call on JEHOVAH the only God they have.
LYING Rutherfo,is Jesus the God of the Jews?

NWT is very accurate. JEHOVAH must be at Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32.

RussellRutherfo:



So while the 8.5m active blasphemers and false prophet organization cult members like yourself, Dappa, Janosky, About, etcetera who will refuse to quit your blasphemy of Jesus Christ by calling HIM Angel Michael and going about spreading false teachings of Jesus enthroned in 1914 as if you, jw cult adherents, Russel(Founder and Angel of your cult), Rutherford, etcetera attended the enthroning ceremony of Jesus Christ or na una help the Father organise the enthronment ceremony plus your false prophecies and mockery of YHWH will not be saved but individuals like GardenofGod, Achorladey, etcetera who are calling you all away from your cult and many others who boldly declare the Lamb will be a part of the billions that will stand before the throne.

RussellRutherfo:


The Uncountable Great Crowd obviously numbering into their billions or trillions till when the end of times come in white robes from all corners and tribes worshipping the Lamb who sits on the throne of HIS Invisible Father of whom you refer to as Jehovah but from whom the Visible Image and Logos of God came forth from and took on flesh(John 1:14) sharing the same essence with HIS Father.

freshboi88:


If God is Jesus Throne...then Jesus sits on top of God..... hahahaha...JW pple no go kill person

GardenOfGod:

Let's read and analyse Revelation 3:21 first.

Revelation 3:21
New International Version
21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

SINCE JANOSKY IS TAKING EVERYTHING IN THAT PASSAGE LITERALLY, LET'S GO ALONG WITH HIM LITERALLY TOO

Janosky's point is clearly seen that JESUS said that God is His God... "My God..."

But Jesus was correct because God is the God of all flesh and Jesus was a man in the flesh, thereby making that statement absolutely correct.

GardenOfGod:


But here is the dilemma for Janosky...
"... Sat down with my Father on his throne."

ISSUES ARISING FROM REVELATION 3:21
* The victorious saints shall sit down with Jesus on his throne

* Jesus and Father are sitting on One throne according to the literal meaning by Janosky