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Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 2:11pm On Sep 14
Reminderz:

The reason involves the government, only the government or leader has the right to take live if found guilty for a wrong doing e.g murder or kidnapping.. Don't misinterprete the quote just to suit your agenda and like the man on the headlines, he's going to be killed if found guilty by law.
do you have sense so

Did they put government in the quote

When Mohamed was killing was he a government too
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Chyjoey(m): 2:11pm On Sep 14
These attacks on Islam are just short sighted and honestly, just plain stupid in this context.

This guy is Muslim, committed a crime, was prosecuted and jailed for life in a Muslim society - implying explicitly that his fellow Muslims didn't agree with his actions.

Do the actions of a few extremists define a whole religious group?

If so, Christians should be berated for their terrorism against scientists who were branded 'sorcerers' in the old days.

PS - I'm not Muslim.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by ExtraVioment: 2:18pm On Sep 14
Terror squad religion. Tufia
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 2:25pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
ok so killing is justified in islam so long there is reason abi?

The killer has his reason meaning Quran agrees with him
Please dont let hatred make you appear so dumb next time...lemme educate you a lil


No, “honor killings”—which refer to violence, generally against girls or women, by one or more family members who believe the victim has brought dishonor upon the family—are prohibited by Islam on the basis of not just one but several principles. First, they violate the sanctity of life, which is considered sacrosanct; second, they fail to respect the right of due process for anyone accused of a crime; and, third, they contradict the principle that each individual is responsible for his or her own actions and that no individual or family member should be held responsible for the behavior of another. In fact, the Qur’an specifically prohibits even speaking ill of a woman without the testimony of four witnesses and calls for the punishment of one who does so without this virtually impossible requirement.

We believe that Islamic teachings clearly prohibit killing innocent civilians. While there are obviously extremist Muslims who disagree with this stance, the position of the Muslim majority is clear, as demonstrated by repeated condemnations by Muslim scholars and leaders across the world.

While one cannot speak for their motivations or methodology, Muslim terrorists use the Qur’an the same way that Christian extremists such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations or Jewish extremists such as Meir Kahane and Baruch Goldstein in Israel use the Bible: by taking phrases out of context and developing interpretations that serve their agenda.

They also ignore principles of the interpretation of texts followed by legitimate scholars of religion, above all the principle that a text must be understood with reference to the time, place, and situation in which it was given. The Qur’an, like other seminal religious texts, has a dual nature: one that is specific (particular or transitional) to the occasion, time, and place, and another that is universal and permanent, dealing with principles that apply for all times and places. 

Most of the terrorism committed by people claiming Islam as their motivation is justified by a methodology that bypasses the bulk of classical scholarship. Various legal issues that pertained to the majority of the Muslim community were often left to the discretion and judgement of qualified scholars. ISIS and other similar groups, however, discount the role filled by traditional scholars.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by ComrdDRS1: 2:37pm On Sep 14
aanuoluwami14:
Islam is a religious of peace , what happened?

That's the piece
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Agboriotejoye(m): 2:40pm On Sep 14
kingxsamz:


Okay, so you're in support of both? Okay then. cheesy
I'm in support of God.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by dorox(m): 2:43pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
"Whosoever kills a human being without (any reason like) man slaughter, or corruption on earth, it is as though he had killed all mankind ..." (5:32)

That quote was referring to the children of Israel.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 2:44pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
[s][/s]Please dont let hatred make you appear so dumb next time...lemme educate you a lil


No, “honor killings”—which refer to violence, generally against girls or women, by one or more family members who believe the victim has brought dishonor upon the family—are prohibited by Islam on the basis of not just one but several principles. First, they violate the sanctity of life, which is considered sacrosanct; second, they fail to respect the right of due process for anyone accused of a crime; and, third, they contradict the principle that each individual is responsible for his or her own actions and that no individual or family member should be held responsible for the behavior of another. In fact, the Qur’an specifically prohibits even speaking ill of a woman without the testimony of four witnesses and calls for the punishment of one who does so without this virtually impossible requirement.

We believe that Islamic teachings clearly prohibit killing innocent civilians. While there are obviously extremist Muslims who disagree with this stance, the position of the Muslim majority is clear, as demonstrated by repeated condemnations by Muslim scholars and leaders across the world.

While one cannot speak for their motivations or methodology, Muslim terrorists use the Qur’an the same way that Christian extremists such as the Ku Klux Klan and Aryan Nations or Jewish extremists such as Meir Kahane and Baruch Goldstein in Israel use the Bible: by taking phrases out of context and developing interpretations that serve their agenda.

They also ignore principles of the interpretation of texts followed by legitimate scholars of religion, above all the principle that a text must be understood with reference to the time, place, and situation in which it was given. The Qur’an, like other seminal religious texts, has a dual nature: one that is specific (particular or transitional) to the occasion, time, and place, and another that is universal and permanent, dealing with principles that apply for all times and places. 

Most of the terrorism committed by people claiming Islam as their motivation is justified by a methodology that bypasses the bulk of classical scholarship. Various legal issues that pertained to the majority of the Muslim community were often left to the discretion and judgement of qualified scholars. ISIS and other similar groups, however, discount the role filled by traditional scholars. 
you are very stupid

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Killing is a small thing to Mohammed who killed for fun when his ego was hurt
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 2:48pm On Sep 14
Chyjoey:
These attacks on Islam are just short sighted and honestly, just plain stupid in this context.

This guy is Muslim, committed a crime, was prosecuted and jailed for life in a Muslim society - implying explicitly that his fellow Muslims didn't agree with his actions.

Do the actions of a few extremists define a whole religious group?

If so, Christians should be berated for their terrorism against scientists who were branded 'sorcerers' in the old days.

PS - I'm not Muslim.
shut up you are a Muslim

Someone was discovered to have been researching if Islam permits him to kill

Meaning he knew it was wrong but Islam convinced him to kill

So who do we blame?

The man who knew it was wrong to kill

Or Islam that pacified him that he can kill


You don't bring christianity into it when the Bible Christian's follow don't prescribe violence

We bring Islam into this because Islam and it's Quran has aided another Terrorist
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 2:50pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
you are very stupid

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Killing is a small thing to Mohammed who killed for fun when his ego was hurt
Please put lies and insult aside...hatred will lead you to nowhere but hellfire....

Dont quote things out of context

Lets analyze your claim.....Quote the original text you claimed lets see who is lying
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 2:51pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
Please put lies and insult aside...hatred will lead you to nowhere but hellfire....

Dont quote things out of context

Lets analyze your claim.....Quote the original text you claimed lets see who is lying
what original text

Are these not in your Quran and Hadith
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 2:53pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
what original text

Are these not in your Quran and Hadith
Oya quote them fully cooland give the reference...lets see...lemme disgrace you and expose you to the fullest...

Shamefull polytheist pagan
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by kingxsamz(m): 2:55pm On Sep 14
Agboriotejoye:

I'm in support of God.

In support of your god asking men to slaughter children and little babies? undecided
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 2:58pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
Oya quote them fully cooland give the reference...lets see...lemme disgrace you and expose you to the fullest...

Shamefull polytheist pagan
Are you ashamed to bring the so called complete verse since you have another

Shameful slave of a stone

What narration do you need for killing people simply because they don't like your believe

Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by stevestifler(m): 2:58pm On Sep 14
These guys are just too cold and they justify it with their religion. Nonsense!

ogbiwa:


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/killer-checked-quran-see-allah-24966524
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Image123(m): 2:59pm On Sep 14
kingxsamz:


In support of your god asking men to slaughter children and little babies? undecided

Lol, see young Samuel forming all holy and good, yet hates that God should exist because he's nowhere near holy. Ask him about abortion and killing of millions of babies going on everyday now, he'll start to stammer. Ignorant hypocrite.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Lukay99: 3:00pm On Sep 14
Michaelpsych:
Right now its not all about religion,any body can kill anybody,we have seen cases of Christians who are murderes,and we also have good Muslims,although it pains to see that most of the violent acts are bn carried out by Muslims,that's why it now seems as if they are violent,so let's not forget that we still have heartless Christians in our midst

You claimed most of the violence act are being committed by Muslims? Can please � provide us your stats from a reliable source? Muslims don't control most of the major media. The media wrongfully blame criminal act done by criminals that claim to be Muslim on Islam but the oposite is the case when Christian criminals commit crimes.

This article is a good example. A man search the Quran looking to see if there's forgiveness for his crimes/Sin. That shows the man new he's actions was wrong and was looking to see in the Quran if Allah/God can forgive him or not. Nothing in Islam told him to kill his ex wife. His actions was basically his doing and definitely not Islam but his actually trying to use Islam to seek for forgiveness.

Whenever Christians or non Muslims commit crimes there religious beliefs don't even gets mentioned.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Adisa89(m): 3:08pm On Sep 14
Reminderz:

Bring your proof of these so calld virgins in the Quran??
It's stated in one of your hadiths.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:09pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
Are you ashamed to bring the so called complete verse since you have another

Shameful slave of a stone

What narration do you need for killing people simply because they don't like your believe

Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

I will expose you today....copy and paste will not save your dirty ass today


I'll analyze the verse and show you where your lies and total abject blindness lies...

I hope you wil read with your brain and not your anus this time around...

Oya lets see what the verse really said and what it really means...and the allegations against it by dirty liars like you


One often quoted verse used against Muslims is that of Surah 8, ayat 12. The verse reads as:



008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.


SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.



You Anti-Islamics like to always bring this up and claim that this verse proves that Islam promotes terrorism and that the Quran orders Muslims to go and chop people's heads off along with their finger tips.



The fact that you make such claims shows your lack of knowledge on Islam, you should really study Islam with an open heart rather than visit anti-Islamic sites, and read anti-Islamic books and believe everything they tell you.



So to make things easier for you, I shall give the explanation of this verse, in doing so it shall help making dialog between Muslims and anti-Islamic’s much easier, since there can’t be any dialog when one party's information is incorrect and distorted.



To begin, this verse is referring to a SPECIFIC BATTLE, this verse is not an order on Muslims, and this verse is talking about a battle that took place. The battle it is referring to is the battle of Badr.



Name

The Surah takes its name AL-ANFAL (The Bounties) from the first verse.



The Period of Revelation

It was revealed in 2 A. H. after the Battle of Badr, the first battle between Islam and kufr. As it contains a detailed and comprehensive review of the Battle, it appears that most probably it was revealed at one and the same time. But it is also possible that some of the verses concerning the problems arising as a result of this Battle might have been revealed later and incorporated at the proper places to make it a continuous whole. At any rate, in the whole Surah there is nothing that might show that it is a collection of a couple of discourses, that have been patched up together.




[ ? ](I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved.) means, `you -- angels -- support the believers, strengthen their (battle) front against their enemies, thus, implementing My command to you. I will cast fear, disgrace and humiliation over those who defied My command and denied My Messenger, f



[ ?? ?? ?? ?](so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that,



[ ??](over the necks) refers to striking the forehead, or the neck, according to Ad-Dahhak and `Atiyyah Al-`Awfi. In support of the latter, Allah commanded the believers,



[? ?? ? ?? ? ? ?](So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, take them as captives).) [47:4]

Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said, "In the aftermath of Badr, the people used to recognize whomever the angels killed from those whom they killed, by the wounds over their necks, fingers and toes, because those parts had a mark as if they were branded by fire.'' Allah said,



[ ?? ?? ?](and smite over all their fingers and toes.)

Ibn Jarir commented that this Ayah commands, "O believers! Strike every limb and finger on the hands and feet of your (disbelieving) enemies.'' Al-`Awfi reported, that Ibn `Abbas said about the battle of Badr that Abu Jahl said, "Do not kill them (the Muslims), but capture them so that you make known to them what they did, their ridiculing your religion and shunning Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza (two idols).'' Allah than sent down to the angels,



[ ?? ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?](Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.)



In that battle, Abu Jahl (may Allah curse him) was killed along with sixty-nine men. `Uqbah bin Abu Mua`it was captured and then killed, thus bring the death toll of the pagans to seventy,





[ ?? ? ??](This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger.) joining the camp that defied Allah and His Messenger not including themselves in the camp of Allah's Law and faith in Him. Allah said,

[?? ? ?? ? ? ? ?](And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is severe in punishment.) for He will crush whoever defies and disobeys Him. Nothing ever escapes Allah's grasp nor can anything ever stand against His anger. Blessed and exalted He is, there is no true deity or Lord except Him.



[?? ? ? ?? ? ?? ](This is (the torment), so taste it; and surely, for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire.)

This Ayah addresses the disbeliever, saying, taste this torment and punishment in this life and know that the torment of the Fire in the Hereafter is for the disbelievers.



So as you can see, these events were taking place during a battle. Now off course during a battle in those days you would aim for the neck to get an immediate blow, and off course you would also aim for their fingers, once taking out their fingers the enemy would not be able to carry his sword hence you neutralize the enemy.



So there is nothing barbaric or mean about these verses, it is simply referring to a battle, and nothing barbaric was done in the battle neither these were how battles were fought back then.


You cant just cherry pick a verse and use it to attack muslims when you know nothing about the revelation and reason behind it...


I'll be grateful if you stil paste other verses and I'll help clear your lies
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Bennysam: 3:11pm On Sep 14
Xscape1993:
The major problem of the world today is religion.
Stop running from truth, mentioned it Muslim they're the problem
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:15pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
Are you ashamed to bring the so called complete verse since you have another

Shameful slave of a stone

What narration do you need for killing people simply because they don't like your believe

Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Mr Man My Quran is unlike your fabricated bible which encourages Killing of innocent people....

Lemme expose it here for everyone to see

You can debunk my claim if you feel it is not true..... cool cool cool



1- Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

It is certainly the Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?



2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

I challenge any Christian including you to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).

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Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:17pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
Are you ashamed to bring the so called complete verse since you have another

Shameful slave of a stone

What narration do you need for killing people simply because they don't like your believe

Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses below in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.

Based on this Noble Verse, I can safely conclude, as a Muslim, that the slaughtering stories of innocent people in the corrupted bible were nothing but man-made lies and laws that were put in the Mouth of Allah Almighty:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

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Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Agboriotejoye(m): 3:18pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
these are mere mypoic thought that can only sprang from a brainwashed fellow...

Lemme take my time to debunk you and expose your hypocrisy....

The Boko Haram, ISWAP and all the bandit groups scattered across do not attract the sympathy of the Muslims and none of their leaders even pretends to represent Islam or protect the interests of the Muslims. They are indefensible criminals. Simple and short.

In Nigeria
From Mohammed Marwa AKA Maitatsine of the early 1980s to Mohamed Yusuf of the late 2000s, the North has never formed a consensual bloc in defence of the operations of criminal and insurgent groups. The rebellious groups have always functioned as outcasts, and fiercely opposed. Maitatsine and Yusuf began as laughing stocks in Kano and Maiduguri, respectively, and treated as lunatic clerics and considered misled and lost, before they broke out and got out of hand. They were never ever popular leaders in the northern society.
So, whenever I read ignorant takes from people like you I laugh...


"Muslims are terrible", you claim. "Muslims are terrorists" But I bet you, if you click the reaction to any bad symphatetic news report online, you will not find one Muslim reacting with a laughing emoji or supporting any bad act.

But people like you are happy that terrorism and killings are taking place in the country and even try to relate it to Islam to quench your urge of hatred and Islamaphobia

You are happy that police officers are killed. They always showcase their attitudes of lack of manners and home training. These same people will on the next trend claim Islam is a religion of violence and Muslims are violent.
When you curse a person, the curse goes up to the heavens and return to you if the person is undeserving of it.

All the insults on Prophet Muhammad,(PBUH) the Muslim community received during the Boko Haram insurgency has gone up to the heavens and came back to those who cursed us and they have all gone mad.

3-4 year's ago, nobody would have thought that some people in the South-East would take up arms and start mindlessly killing people, cutting off heads and then come on social media to celebrate and laugh over it.

During the EndSARS uprising of fools, police officers were killed in the South, but in the East, they did not just kill officers, most of the ones they killed they mutilated and decapitated them thereafter. The only thing they did not do was to roast and eat them like the Sallah day massacre in Plateau in 2011 when some Plateau youths attacked worshippers on Eid day, killed, roasted and eat the dead bodies. It's just a matter of time, they will start eating the dead bodies of their victims as the curse spreads.

It does not matter your grievances with a person or a people, if evil befalls them you cannot afford to be happy about it. To be happy for evil makes you evil. I can say I hate the "State of Israel" because I consider it a racist and apartheid entity, but if calamity befalls its citizens, I can not be happy. Your hate should be measured.

Boko Haram became the monster it is not because Muslim scholars did not denounce their ideology, they did and some were killed for doing that.

The ideology of hate and bigotry in the South East is there mostly because Christian leaders in the country encouraged it with their anti-North and anti-Muslim sermons and conspiracy theories.
If this post offends you, I am sorry that is not my intention. If you are still angry after the apology, then I can not help you.
When you finish deceiving yourself with dogon turenchi, wipe the foam off your mouth. You say northern Muslims did not support BH. I guess their fighters are foreigners from Mali. How exactly have they been able to fight federal forces for ten years and counting exactly? And now, after killing thousands people in a bid to force their religion on others, the next song is amnesty. May I ask if that's what Islam or Sharia prescribes for one who brings the religion into disrepute.
It's funnier that Allah cursed who mocked Islam for Boko haram but neglected those who denigrate those who killed their fellow Muslims according to your narration.
May I point you to the fact as well that virtually all Muslims in cyberspace have expressed joy and support at the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. Same Taliban who are indirectly responsible for the murder of 3000 people among whom are Muslims and direct oppression of women.
Lastly, even Pantami rejoiced at the killing of believers and considered Osama a better Muslim.
So it is brazen deceit to claim Islam is being misunderstood. Maybe when Muslims begin to realize the defects in their religious ideology and take practical steps to correct such can we begin to have a conversation about islamophobia. Until then, it's a mere political term not rooted in any fact.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 3:18pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
I will expose you today....copy and paste will not save your dirty ass today


I'll analyze the verse and show you where your lies and total abject blindness lies...

I hope you wil read with your brain and not your anus this time around...

Oya lets see what the verse really said and what it really means...and the allegations against it by dirty liars like you


One often quoted verse used against Muslims is that of Surah 8, ayat 12. The verse reads as:



008.012
YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."


PICKTHAL: When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.


SHAKIR: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.



You Anti-Islamics like to always bring this up and claim that this verse proves that Islam promotes terrorism and that the Quran orders Muslims to go and chop people's heads off along with their finger tips.



The fact that you make such claims shows your lack of knowledge on Islam, you should really study Islam with an open heart rather than visit anti-Islamic sites, and read anti-Islamic books and believe everything they tell you.



So to make things easier for you, I shall give the explanation of this verse, in doing so it shall help making dialog between Muslims and anti-Islamic’s much easier, since there can’t be any dialog when one party's information is incorrect and distorted.



To begin, this verse is referring to a SPECIFIC BATTLE, this verse is not an order on Muslims, and this verse is talking about a battle that took place. The battle it is referring to is the battle of Badr.



Name

The Surah takes its name AL-ANFAL (The Bounties) from the first verse.



The Period of Revelation

It was revealed in 2 A. H. after the Battle of Badr, the first battle between Islam and kufr. As it contains a detailed and comprehensive review of the Battle, it appears that most probably it was revealed at one and the same time. But it is also possible that some of the verses concerning the problems arising as a result of this Battle might have been revealed later and incorporated at the proper places to make it a continuous whole. At any rate, in the whole Surah there is nothing that might show that it is a collection of a couple of discourses, that have been patched up together.




[ ? ](I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved.) means, `you -- angels -- support the believers, strengthen their (battle) front against their enemies, thus, implementing My command to you. I will cast fear, disgrace and humiliation over those who defied My command and denied My Messenger, f



[ ?? ?? ?? ?](so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that,



[ ??](over the necks) refers to striking the forehead, or the neck, according to Ad-Dahhak and `Atiyyah Al-`Awfi. In support of the latter, Allah commanded the believers,



[? ?? ? ?? ? ? ?](So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's cause) those who disbelieve, smite (their) necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, take them as captives).) [47:4]

Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said, "In the aftermath of Badr, the people used to recognize whomever the angels killed from those whom they killed, by the wounds over their necks, fingers and toes, because those parts had a mark as if they were branded by fire.'' Allah said,



[ ?? ?? ?](and smite over all their fingers and toes.)

Ibn Jarir commented that this Ayah commands, "O believers! Strike every limb and finger on the hands and feet of your (disbelieving) enemies.'' Al-`Awfi reported, that Ibn `Abbas said about the battle of Badr that Abu Jahl said, "Do not kill them (the Muslims), but capture them so that you make known to them what they did, their ridiculing your religion and shunning Al-Lat and Al-`Uzza (two idols).'' Allah than sent down to the angels,



[ ?? ? ? ?? ?? ?? ?](Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.)



In that battle, Abu Jahl (may Allah curse him) was killed along with sixty-nine men. `Uqbah bin Abu Mua`it was captured and then killed, thus bring the death toll of the pagans to seventy,





[ ?? ? ??](This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger.) joining the camp that defied Allah and His Messenger not including themselves in the camp of Allah's Law and faith in Him. Allah said,

[?? ? ?? ? ? ? ?](And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is severe in punishment.) for He will crush whoever defies and disobeys Him. Nothing ever escapes Allah's grasp nor can anything ever stand against His anger. Blessed and exalted He is, there is no true deity or Lord except Him.



[?? ? ? ?? ? ?? ](This is (the torment), so taste it; and surely, for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire.)

This Ayah addresses the disbeliever, saying, taste this torment and punishment in this life and know that the torment of the Fire in the Hereafter is for the disbelievers.



So as you can see, these events were taking place during a battle. Now off course during a battle in those days you would aim for the neck to get an immediate blow, and off course you would also aim for their fingers, once taking out their fingers the enemy would not be able to carry his sword hence you neutralize the enemy.



So there is nothing barbaric or mean about these verses, it is simply referring to a battle, and nothing barbaric was done in the battle neither these were how battles were fought back then.


You cant just cherry pick a verse and use it to attack muslims when you know nothing about the revelation and reason behind it...


I'll be grateful if you stil paste other verses and I'll help clear your lies
I can see your brain is paining you

I thought you said the verse I quoted is not correct only for you to repeat the same verse

This is what you pasted below

YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Who is talking here?

Allah is telling Muhammed to remember he is with him and giving him the go ahead to instil terror into others simply because they don't like muhammed believe

Allah is saying Muhammed should kill and chop their necks off

The question is what is the offense of these victims?

They didn't take Muhammad wife, they didn't fight Mohammed first

Their crime is they don't believe what Mohammed believes


You see how you disgraced yourself now with your Terrorist religion

Never quote me in your foolishness again

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Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Exceed15: 3:19pm On Sep 14
Religion of bitterness
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:19pm On Sep 14
Agboriotejoye:

When you finish deceiving yourself with dogon turenchi, wipe the foam off your mouth. You say northern Muslims did not support BH. I guess their fighters are foreigners from Mali. How exactly have they been able to fight federal forces for ten years and counting exactly? And now, after killing thousands people in a bid to force their religion on others, the next song is amnesty. May I ask if that's what Islam or Sharia prescribes for one who brings the religion into disrepute.
It's funnier that Allah cursed who mocked Islam for Boko haram but neglected those who denigrate those who killed their fellow Muslims according to your narration.
May I point you to the fact as well that virtually all Muslims in cyberspace have expressed joy and support at the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. Same Taliban who are indirectly responsible for the murder of 3000 people among whom are Muslims and direct oppression of women.
Lastly, even Pantami rejoiced at the killing of believers and considered Osama a better Muslim.
So it is brazen deceit to claim Islam is being misunderstood. Maybe when Muslims begin to realize the defects in their religious ideology and take practical steps to correct such can we begin to have a conversation about islamophobia. Until then, it's a mere political term not rooted in any fact.
Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.

Based on this Noble Verse, I can safely conclude, as a Muslim, that the slaughtering stories of innocent people in the corrupted bible were nothing but man-made lies and laws that were put in the Mouth of Allah Almighty:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:20pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
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I can see your brain is paining you

I thought you said the verse I quoted is not correct only for you to repeat the same verse

This is what you pasted below

YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

Who is talking here?

Allah is telling Muhammed to remember he is with him and giving him the go ahead to instil terror into others simply because they don't like muhammed believe

Allah is saying Muhammed should kill and chop their necks off

The question is what is the offense of these victims?

They didn't take Muhammad wife, they didn't fight Mohammed first

Their crime is they don't believe what Mohammed believes


You see how you disgraced yourself now with your Terrorist religion

Never quote me in your foolishness again
[/s]

You must be disgraced today...who ask to to touch a muslim??

Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses below in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.

Based on this Noble Verse, I can safely conclude, as a Muslim, that the slaughtering stories of innocent people in the corrupted bible were nothing but man-made lies and laws that were put in the Mouth of Allah Almighty:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 3:22pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses below in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.

Based on this Noble Verse, I can safely conclude, as a Muslim, that the slaughtering stories of innocent people in the corrupted bible were nothing but man-made lies and laws that were put in the Mouth of Allah Almighty:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

Get well soon slave of stone
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:22pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
[s][/s] Get well soon slave of stone
1- Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

It is certainly the Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?



2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).

See the Rights of Prisoners of War in Islam.


Further more, Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses below in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 3:22pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:


You must be disgraced today...who ask to to touch a muslim??

Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses below in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.

Based on this Noble Verse, I can safely conclude, as a Muslim, that the slaughtering stories of innocent people in the corrupted bible were nothing but man-made lies and laws that were put in the Mouth of Allah Almighty:

"Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"

Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Truthissupreme: 3:24pm On Sep 14
Ibkhaleel001:
1- Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals!

Deuteronomy 20:16
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

It is certainly the Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should they call it?



2- Suckling infants were executed by the tens of thousands:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.


A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:

Psalm 137:8-9
8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.
9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!

I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book!

I challenge any Jew or Christian to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims' Noble Quran that condones killing of innocent children, women or even hostile enemy men who drop their weapons before Muslims (surrender).

See the Rights of Prisoners of War in Islam.


Further more, Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"

Yet, we see mass slaughters and even rape of 3-year old girls as seen in the verses below in the man-altered, man-fabricated and man-corrupted bible.
Your foolishness is irredeemable

The old testament you are quoting do you realize it's justified because it is invasion and war, survival that is the subject of discuss

Israel is not killing anyone because they are non Jews or refuse to follow Yaweh (infact Yaweh restricts his reach only to Jews)

This is completely different from Quran that says Muhammad should kill anyone simply because they don't become Muslims

There is no nation that won't kill even today when you invade them, there is no nation also allowed to kill simply because they aren't like you

Every other thing you said is trash as usual
Re: Man Searched Quran For Forgiveness Of Murder, Before Slashing Ex-wife's Throat by Ibkhaleel001: 3:24pm On Sep 14
Truthissupreme:
[s][/s] Get well soon slave of stone
lol guilible brainwashed hater

Christians regularly to justify their idolatrous practices - such as prayers to Mary - by claiming that Muslims "worship" the Black Stone at the Kaaba in Makkah.

Having been on hajj let me answer this based both on history and my own experiences. The Black Stone - Hajar al- Aswad - is NOT mentioned in the Quran. The Black Stone is located about five feet from the ground on the East corner of the Kaaba (this corner is known as "al-rukn al-Aswad"wink.

While there are traditions about kissing or touching the Stone, its real significance is as marker of the point at which one starts the Tawaaf (circumambulation of the Kaaba as part of hajj or omra.) Even the traditions which talk about kissing or touching the stone are VERY CLEAR that the Stone is JUST A STONE!

BUKHARI:

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667:

Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you."

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said: "Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'BY ALLAH! I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT NOR HARM. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'"

MUSLIM:

Book 007, Number 2914:

Abdullah b. Sarjis reported: I saw the bald one, i. e. 'Umar b. Khattib (Allah be pleased with him). kissing the Stone and saying: BY ALLAH. I AM KISSING WITH FULL CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND THAT YOU CAN NEITHER DO ANY HARM NOR GOOD; and if I had not seen Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) kissing you. I would not have kissed you. The rest of the hadith is the same.

The Stone is not be worshipped or regarded as anything but a marker.

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At hajj time you are actually unlikely to see the Black Stone: Masjid Al-Haram is just two crowded. There is a line on the floor of the Masjid to tell you where the line of the Black Stone is. Many hajis must perform Tawaaf NOT on the Kaaba floor but on the SECOND OR THIRD STORIES of the Majid Al-Haram!

On Levels #2 and #3 there are both marks on the floor and neon lights to show you where to start and stop tawaaf.

The scholars agree that waving in the direction of the Black Stone is sufficient recognition of its location as the start and stop of Tawaaf.

In actuality, waving in direction of the Black Stone is the best you will probably do at hajj time

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The Black Stone has had an interesting history during the Islamic period. In 930 AD a ruler of Bahrain - who belonged to a branch of Ismailism known as the Karmatians - sacked Makkah and carried the Black Stone away for some 70 years until it was ransomed.

In the process, the Black Stone was cracked. It is now held together by a silver band. The fact that Islam was able to function without the Black Stone for 70 years is one of the best illustrations that it is but a marker for Tawaaf - and NOT an object of worship.

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