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Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by AntiChristian: 10:11am On Nov 10, 2021
TenQ:

What is a spirit?
The answer to this will expose your knowledge or ignorance of what a spirit is!


1. Does that mean they all have similar make-up?
A spirit is a non-material living being. In other words, they are made of of nothing that has to do with materials called spirit

Angels are created from light, Jinn are created from smokeless flame of fire while humans are from clay material. The make up of light, fire and clay are not the same. From what are your spirits made of in the Bible? And if Spirits (both your Angels and Jinn) are made up of non-material living being, how do they become material and visible to humans?

2. Does that mean they can all see each other?
Just as in the physical people see each other, in the spirit, spirits see each other with their spirit eye as they have spirit body
In Islam, when a person dies, won't two angels visit him in his grave?
Would they not ask the dead person questions?
With which ear will the dead hear the angels? With which eyes will they see the two angels? With which mouth will the angels use speak to them?

Can you see the kind of mundane questions you ask?
I asked logical questions not mundane. When a man dies he enters a new world and sees things of the afterlife. The body make up then is not the same as what it was before. This follows that a dead man would be able to see what he should see just as we ordinarily see what we are meant to see while alive.

3. The Bible says sons of God came to Sleep with daughters of men, impregnated them and they gave birth to giants. Genesis 6:6
This is from the details of the Bible. Sons of God has functioning male organ with sex cell. So definitely the Biblical God and other spirits too should have the same right?

Angels were also described as sons of God in the Bible.
Angels have the power (usually by permission) to condense into physical forms that can do anything humans can do. Examples abound apart from this in the bible

Heb13:1-2
1 Continue in brotherly love. 2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have entertained angels without knowing it.


Didn't Jibreel appear to mohammed at least twice in his true form like man and in one of the cases like Ihyah ibn Khaleefah Al-Kalbi?

Angels are described as sons of God!
Peace makers are called sons of God!
Jesus was called begotten/Unique son of God!

The sons of God that came from heaven to sleep with daughters were not mentioned as angels in almost all common bible translations.
I asked why do the sons of God have functioning sex cell and organ? And was Jesus among them since the Bible says he came down again in the NT?

Angels do appear to humans as men agreed! Why does the Bible say non-material beings have sex organs to impregnate seemingly material women?
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by TenQ: 4:09pm On Nov 10, 2021
AntiChristian:


Angels are created from light, Jinn are created from smokeless flame of fire while humans are from clay material. The make up of light, fire and clay are not the same. From what are your spirits made of in the Bible? And if Spirits (both your Angels and Jinn) are made up of non-material living being, how do they become material and visible to humans?
I guess it doesn't dawn on you that fire is the visible energy of combustion of physical things. Your arabian night stories are messing you up.
It is not surprising that you do not know that God Himself is a Spirit.
Jesus Himself said:
John4:24
24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


By your logic, God must be made of fire! SHH!!

AntiChristian:

I asked logical questions not mundane. When a man dies he enters a new world and sees things of the afterlife. The body make up then is not the same as what it was before. This follows that a dead man would be able to see what he should see just as we ordinarily see what we are meant to see while alive.
If a dead man would be able to see without his physical body part, it doesn't click with you that at death, man becomes like the Angels in nature. Same reason why Angels can see everything.

AntiChristian:

Angels are described as sons of God!
Peace makers are called sons of God!
Jesus was called begotten/Unique son of God!

The sons of God that came from heaven to sleep with daughters were not mentioned as angels in almost all common bible translations.
I asked why do the sons of God have functioning sex cell and organ? And was Jesus among them since the Bible says he came down again in the NT?

Angels do appear to humans as men agreed! Why does the Bible say non-material beings have sex organs to impregnate seemingly material women?
If Jubril appeared to Mohammed as Ihyah ibn Khaleefah Al-Kalbi, did he appear as a man or woman? Did he have attributes of man like having eyes, ears, nose, fingers etc. Your infinite wisdom say that when Jubril appeared, his penis was missen: can you find a hadith to justify this?

Or better still, is it impossible for an angel to appear as a physical being?
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by AntiChristian: 12:28pm On Nov 11, 2021
TenQ:

I guess it doesn't dawn on you that fire is the visible energy of combustion of physical things. Your arabian night stories are messing you up.
It is not surprising that you do not know that God Himself is a Spirit.
Jesus Himself said:
John4:24
24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”


By your logic, God must be made of fire! SHH!!


My God is not a Spirit. And He is not created. And i said Angels are made from light, Jinn from Smokeless fire. How did you derive this your logic from here? If your God is a Spirit and Angels and Jinns are spirits to you then you need to tell us what God made Angel/Jinn and Himself with according to your Bible.

If a dead man would be able to see without his physical body part, it doesn't click with you that at death, man becomes like the Angels in nature. Same reason why Angels can see everything.
Man, at death does not become like the angels. Angels are sinless and they only do what God commands them to do. Man, after death will be opened to reality of where he will spend his eternity. Whether in heaven or hell! Angels do not expect to be in heaven or hell. Stop comparing what is incomparable.


If Jubril appeared to Mohammed as Ihyah ibn Khaleefah Al-Kalbi, did he appear as a man or woman? Did he have attributes of man like having eyes, ears, nose, fingers etc. Your infinite wisdom say that when Jubril appeared, his penis was missen: can you find a hadith to justify this?

Or better still, is it impossible for an angel to appear as a physical being?

You sabi twist yourself o!

Angels have the ability to appear in human form usually as a man. In Islam, Angels don't copulate, eat, drink or sleep. They don't even have gender!

Your God who you said is a spirit sent his son to the world in the NT.

Sons of God came to impregnate daughters of men in Genesis 6.

Sons of God dey copulate for Bible! How is God? grin
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by TenQ: 4:05pm On Nov 11, 2021
AntiChristian:


My God is not a Spirit. And He is not created. And i said Angels are made from light, Jinn from Smokeless fire. How did you derive this your logic from here? If your God is a Spirit and Angels and Jinns are spirits to you then you need to tell us what God made Angel/Jinn and Himself with according to your Bible.
Of course, Allah is not a spirit. He is the black stone inside the Kaaba. If not, why is it that all Moslems bow down to him.

Do you know how Jesus treats demons? He cast them out as there is no single good demon. But we know that almost 50% of demons are Muslims.



AntiChristian:

Man, at death does not become like the angels. Angels are sinless and they only do what God commands them to do. Man, after death will be opened to reality of where he will spend his eternity. Whether in heaven or hell! Angels do not expect to be in heaven or hell. Stop comparing what is incomparable.
Can you give me the characteristics of Angels and that of the spirit form of a dead person!
Angels are invisible living beings
And the dead too are invisible living beings


AntiChristian:

You sabi twist yourself o!

Angels have the ability to appear in human form usually as a man. In Islam, Angels don't copulate, eat, drink or sleep. They don't even have gender!

Your God who you said is a spirit sent his son to the world in the NT.

Sons of God came to impregnate daughters of men in Genesis 6.

Sons of God dey copulate for Bible! How is God? grin
You will need to write a comprehensive list of the impossible things for an angels to have.

If an angel become visible, will he
1. Have teeths as we know that angels don't need to eat?
2. Will they have anus?
3. Will they breath or they wouldn't breath?
4. Would they have nose? Can they smell?
5. Would they have beards or not (a function of puberty)?

I'm sure you can see your ignorance spelt out
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by Mleeperbother: 8:54pm On Nov 11, 2021
Kholiwe:
Just out of curiosity is there freewill in heaven?
Is there any such as freewill to begin with?
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by AntiChristian: 10:03am On Nov 12, 2021
TenQ:

Of course, Allah is not a spirit. He is the black stone inside the Kaaba. If not, why is it that all Moslems bow down to him.

Do you know how Jesus treats demons? He cast them out as there is no single good demon. But we know that almost 50% of demons are Muslims.

Na so so lies you dey bring here. Holy Spirit dey teach you lies?

The texts of Islam says Allah rose above the heavens in a manner befitting Him. He is not physically with us but His knowledge encompasses all things!

How many demons did Jesus treat while alive? Where is the statistics that 50% demons are Muslims?

Your lies are incurable!

1 Kings 8;29
May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place.

Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.



Can you give me the characteristics of Angels and that of the spirit form of a dead person!
Angels are invisible living beings
And the dead too are invisible living beings

Mention a Bible verse that says the dead sees the Angels?

The dead are invisible living beings? So why are they dead if they are living?



You will need to write a comprehensive list of the impossible things for an angels to have.

If an angel become visible, will he
1. Have teeths as we know that angels don't need to eat?
2. Will they have anus?
3. Will they breath or they wouldn't breath?
4. Would they have nose? Can they smell?
5. Would they have beards or not (a function of puberty)?

I'm sure you can see your ignorance spelt out

Na for only Bible sons of God get John Thomas to impregnate women.

God Himself get sons so we wonder where the wife was! Maybe Mary from Earth!

Logically sons of God---------- Daughters of Men= Giants! Gen 6
God------------------------Mary = Jesus!
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by TenQ: 4:39pm On Nov 12, 2021
AntiChristian:


Na so so lies you dey bring here. Holy Spirit dey teach you lies?

The texts of Islam says Allah rose above the heavens in a manner befitting Him. He is not physically with us but His knowledge encompasses all things!

How many demons did Jesus treat while alive? Where is the statistics that 50% demons are Muslims?

Your lies are incurable!

1 Kings 8;29
May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place.

Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.





Mention a Bible verse that says the dead sees the Angels?

The dead are invisible living beings? So why are they dead if they are living?





Na for only Bible sons of God get John Thomas to impregnate women.

God Himself get sons so we wonder where the wife was! Maybe Mary from Earth!

Logically sons of God---------- Daughters of Men= Giants! Gen 6
God------------------------Mary = Jesus!
A religion that took Judaism and Christianity and forged something else to favour Mohammed AND removing the ladder through which they rose up.

A religion that lies in the name of Allah and doesn't have shame in doing it.

A religion that limits God in everyway and believe that the only way God can have children (if He chooses) was to marry a wife and impregnate her!

A religion where paradise is not about God but about reveling in debauchery, disvirgining perpetual virgins everyday.

One day, you will see that you have been dribbled by your Allah : after all, ALL Muslims will pass through the fire of hell!

A religion that has to always preach that Islam is peace whereas no one can be at peace where Allah'uakbar is shouted in a Boeing 747 (you can contrast with someone shouting Hallelujah in the same plane).
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by orunto27: 6:18pm On Nov 12, 2021
There is no Evil Spirit in Heaven. Satan operates on Earth on Humans. Every other Spirit in Heaven operates in the Righteousness of The Supreme Spirit.
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by AntiChristian: 10:35am On Nov 13, 2021
TenQ:

A religion that took Judaism and Christianity and forged something else to favour Mohammed AND removing the ladder through which they rose up.

Where was Judaism and Christianity mentioned in your Bible as a religion? There was never any religion name Judaism by Moses or Chriatianity by Jesus. Keep up your delusion! If Islam is a forgery from Christianity & Judaism, then Christianity is a forgery from Judaism too!

Alhamdulillah, you are changing the discussion entirely!

A religion that lies in the name of Allah and doesn't have shame in doing it.
Na you dey lie all in the name of holy Spirit. Quote from your Book as i have asked you several times but you won't. Na just to tell lies!

A religion that limits God in everyway and believe that the only way God can have children (if He chooses) was to marry a wife and impregnate her!
Yeah, we limit God as much as we believe God is able to do all things there are things far above His majesty to do.

You God can die! He can sleep, eat, weep, be tempted by Satan, be beaten by men, enter the womb, pass through the birth canal. You God can even regret and repent! You God can sure do so many things!

A religion where paradise is not about God but about reveling in debauchery, disvirgining perpetual virgins everyday.

Paradise is about reward and reward. If you believe the sons of God came from heaven in Gen 6 to impregnate daughters of men on earth then you should know sex is needed in heaven! (We need to ask if your Jesus was among these giant birthing sons of God)

One day, you will see that you have been dribbled by your Allah : after all, ALL Muslims will pass through the fire of hell!

Allah says: And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Qur'an 3:85

Yeah we pass through it but you'll enter it if you die Christian!

A religion that has to always preach that Islam is peace whereas no one can be at peace where Allah'uakbar is shouted in a Boeing 747 (you can contrast with someone shouting Hallelujah in the same plane).

This na your preaching point! Na your sermon make you na dey preach am! Jesus sef no shout Hallelujah! Na you sabi shout nonsense!
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by TenQ: 8:00pm On Nov 13, 2021
AntiChristian:

Where was Judaism and Christianity mentioned in your Bible as a religion? There was never any religion name Judaism by Moses or Chriatianity by Jesus. Keep up your delusion! If Islam is a forgery from Christianity & Judaism, then Christianity is a forgery from Judaism too!
God is not interested in RELIGION
Jesus did not preach religion: He preached a relationship with the Father

AntiChristian:

Alhamdulillah, you are changing the discussion entirely!
Na you dey lie all in the name of holy Spirit. Quote from your Book as i have asked you several times but you won't. Na just to tell lies!
Never give a pig your pearls...

AntiChristian:

Yeah, we limit God as much as we believe God is able to do all things there are things far above His majesty to do.

You God can die! He can sleep, eat, weep, be tempted by Satan, be beaten by men, enter the womb, pass through the birth canal. You God can even regret and repent! You God can sure do so many things!
There is nothing impossible for my God except to lie

AntiChristian:

Paradise is about reward and reward. If you believe the sons of God came from heaven in Gen 6 to impregnate daughters of men on earth then you should know sex is needed in heaven! (We need to ask if your Jesus was among these giant birthing sons of God)
Allah says: And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
Qur'an 3:85
There is no marrying nor giving in marriage at resurection
We are mile apart bro!
Here is what Jesus said:
Mark 12:24
24 Jesus said to them, “Aren’t you mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Instead, they will be like the angels in heaven.


I don't know about the lake of fire, it may be rampart for men to have 70 perpetual virgins...I don't know how many husbands the muslim woman will have
AntiChristian:

Yeah we pass through it but you'll enter it if you die Christian!
John3:3
3 Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

Since you refuse to be born anew, we can only wait.
Search for the truth and you will find it. It is clearly obvious that one of Islam or Christianity os leading people straight to Hell.
Quran 7:99
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish.

Quran13:42
And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is Allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end.


Deceit/Deception is all about lies..I hope you've not swallowed the greatest lie by a master deceiver?
AntiChristian:

This na your preaching point! Na your sermon make you na dey preach am! Jesus sef no shout Hallelujah! Na you sabi shout nonsense!
FYI:
Every Jew shout Halleluyah in the temple: it is not exclusive to Christians alone.
It simply means raise your voice/shout in exalting Yahweh
Re: Is There Freewill In Heaven? by orisa37: 11:43pm On Nov 13, 2021
GOD IS THE TESTATOR AND EXECUTOR OF ALL FREEWILL TESTAMENTS.

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