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Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by verifiablefacts: 7:13am On Nov 22, 2021 |
J3susFr3ak:I like your style of discuss, no insults on any person or belief,but you still called me a fool. The problems with some of you(Christian) here is, you are full of insults. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Geeman2006: 7:24am On Nov 22, 2021 |
J3susFr3ak: I still disagree.. Nothing but outright conspiracy thinking. You mention wipe them off like with a wave of a hand they are gone. Nobody will wipe out anybody. It's unfortunate things have deteriorated this bad to have you thinking in this direction. Keep your oil please , it has only benefited politicians and their cronies. It is more of a curse than a gift. And because some crazy minority lunatics want their Islamic fiefdom doesnt mean the general population shares the same view. Everything used to be fine till politicians messed up everything over the years. Some many misconceptions , I am tempted to think it's just unnecessary hate. 1 Like |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by freshkpomo(m): 8:23am On Nov 22, 2021 |
Empiree:Typical Muslims they can't hide their terrorists instinct in them, just a simple talk you already insulting and bringing family into it, if I was close to you maybe it would have been a dagger followed by ALLAH AKBAR. Have a nice day, I won't engage you further. Like I said, your ALLAH AKBAR religion needs a review because any country your people enter it's always killing of innocent people that follows. Looks at France, UK, even Uganda recently that took in Afghans. This life is just too short to be cutting people short, let peace lead. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by freshkpomo(m): 8:28am On Nov 22, 2021 |
Geeman2006: Isbah police? Is that not an infringement on the rights of Northern Christians? Let such be done in the south by Christians it will be war. The truth is in terms of tolerance, don't defend Islam because it will be sentimental on your part to do visa even the blind can see and the deaf can hear. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by J3susFr3ak: 11:21am On Nov 22, 2021 |
verifiablefacts: My sincere apologies for the insult. My original intention was to alert you to get your attention. You are not the first person I have tried to reason with--with most having this stubborn and arrogant desire to twist whatever was said. I must have generalized and assumed you were of that camp of people. Again, my sincere apologies for this please. Thanks. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by J3susFr3ak: 11:33am On Nov 22, 2021 |
Geeman2006: Are you sure about "nobody wiping off anybody" like that? Was that not what my own little village thought before Buhari assumed power? All of a sudden armed Terrorist Fulanis allied with strange ones (from those from whatever country) came rushing and killing....no one lives there anymore at the moment. And this is repeated in around 60 other similar villages. And this is in one Middle Belt area alone. But this phenomena has also occurred everywhere like a spreading cancer as well. So tell me again about being not "wiped off" when my own village has been "wiped off" too--with many killed and most in IDP camps. What stops any retaliation and counter-attack now? Oh yes, the very protective Federal Government. How long will the Federal Government be around? This is NOT a sustainable strategy. Buhari has merely laid a trap for his people everywhere thinking that power is forever. Power is not forever. Being greedy about people's natural resources (oil, lands) and thinking that killing them to possess those resources is not clever. I doubt even God will support those types of actions. The injustice is too much! |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Geeman2006: 11:41am On Nov 22, 2021 |
J3susFr3ak: That's terrible and sad. Honestly. Buhari's body language to the whole episode has not been encouraging at all, even though some of these problems preceded his government. His demeanor seems to encourage these criminals which is worrisome. But the issue of Insecurity has become a full blown pandemic under his watch. 2023 he will be on his way out, the next president has alot on his plate already. Like you said power is not forever. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Geeman2006: 11:46am On Nov 22, 2021 |
freshkpomo: Not defending anybody. Hisbah is for Muslims and Muslims alone. They operate in predominant Muslim areas, you would never see Hisbah operating in a Christian community. Whenever you see that just know they are being overzealous. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by freshkpomo(m): 11:57am On Nov 22, 2021 |
Geeman2006: So indirectly Muslims and Christians don't mix? And what about the few pagans, traditional worshipers in the supposed Muslim areas, I believe they own the beer joints been destroyed, are they not also forced against their will and put out of business? In the first place is Islam a Nigerian culture or Arabic culture? Before Islam came, people had their way of life, why Implement Isbah across several states with state funds but did not do same to keep their cultural heritage in check. You spend sate funds to keep Islamic laws in check, but don't do same for your traditional religion that has been there for years. What about the Christians up north? Are they allowed also to have a Christian police who will be Paid by the government. I don't know how true this is, but I heard Isbah police have guns too. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Yusman316(m): 12:19pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
tujays:I have been following your comments since this conversation started, and everything u have posted is nothing but the absolute truth. Despite all the crisis rocking Jos from day one, I live in a part of Jos where there has never been any ethnic or religious crisis despite been populated by people of both faiths. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by J3susFr3ak: 12:54pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
Geeman2006: And THIS is where the real problem is....kicking the can down the road! The whole viscous cycle is perpetuated by this very indecision and lack of will to restructure the whole country. So assuming another President comes in and wants to do real justice and return all real indigenous people back to their farmlands, decentralize the whole security architecture of the country by favoring some form of State or Regional Police, push for true Federalism--do we now wait for another petty nepotistic Buhari like figure to emerge again to reverse all those gains and implement the types of unpopular policies currently done today? The smart option is pave the way to do the most logical thing now....allow for the re-structuring of the country that allows for states to design their own Security Architecture with its own checks and balances---rather than wait for everything to come from Abuja. I bet you...people will zealously fight for their land, for their freedom and for the future of their children than let any alien Terroristic element invade and display with Federal support as is currently is the case. I think deep down Muslims do not want to restructure the country because the current system favors them. Nigeria as it is -- is like the best Islamic Country (in principle--but not in name) that they can have. Changing the status quo means being more like Niger or Chad. Even Chad is far more serious about combating its own insecurities compared to the double-speak of the current administration. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by J3susFr3ak: 1:01pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
Yusman316: Yusuman...I think you and the original poster are missing an important point. Living in exclusive places like Rayfield and similar cannot be generalized everywhere else. Even ancient slum like areas in Rayfield (that were once old Miner's camp--Maidiko) had Muslims attacking and killing Christians not so long ago. Most of the Christian natives of Jos do hate their current unfortunate choice of Governor and will do away with him and his unpopular policies the moment they have the chance to. Do not confuse the current "calm" in Jos to mean the absence of real conflict or crisis. You cannot expect hungry people whose only occupation has been farming but suddenly find it dangerous and impossible to go back to their farms just continue to be docile forever. The whole state like most places in the Middle Belt is a ticking time bomb... |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by sunnnnyuu(m): 9:46pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
97loodbre: You are my brother but the problem is that CAN and it's leaders are not true Men of God most of them are using lies to keep their followers because if they tell them the truth the church members will not give thirth and so many payment makes by church members to the pastors so the logic that will keep them is to use this kind devils Iswap, Boko Haram and their likes and lie to their members so that they will get much money. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by sunnnnyuu(m): 9:50pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
Prolific007:This is why I am always praying for God to divide this scam join by UK, southerners are parasiting Northerners but everyday crying |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by sunnnnyuu(m): 9:50pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
mu2sa2:May divide Nigeria |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by sunnnnyuu(m): 10:05pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
Gadafii:Foolish of you, I here said you are lieing you are not born Muslim and you are not Muslim, if Boko Haram are Muslim not Christians I am sure Nigerian government will not let reach one month operating in Nigeria they will fetched them out and kill them, but it's organize and controlled by Christians while the fools and hypocrites from the Muslim are answering to them with think that strategy will help them destroy Islam or eliminate it from Nigeria, unknown to them more than 1000 years their grandparents was trying to do but Islam keep expanding and it will continue till the last day. Instead of this suffering they are doing better they channel there energy in something that may happen but eliminating Islam on earth is impossible, and better you identify yourself as Christian than pretending to be Muslim while you are not. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by sunnnnyuu(m): 10:38pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
BeeBeeOoh: Crying fowl so you are happy Nigeria was delisted? CAN and crisis are 5&6 may God protect us from both and destroy the due. I prayed may Jesus come back soon, so that Christians will understand that their pastors are scammers and Islam is the fact |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Geeman2006: 11:29pm On Nov 22, 2021 |
J3susFr3ak: This I totally agree except for the part muslims dont want restructuring. In the situation we find ourselves now, the best is to hope the next president does the right thing because it is obvious this present one has passed the baton of governance to cronies and sychophants. The situation presently is very dire and the political will is not there to get things right. Both leadership & Followership are in shambles and still swim in the stone age. Objective and right-thinking muslims want restructuring ! It is the political elite that are strangling that thought because they will be the biggest losers if it comes to fruitition. This depending on the center for almost everything has made many governors lazy and out of ideas. They just sit back , do nonsense , do anyhow and wait for end of the month allocation. Restruction would force everyone to put on his thinking cap and be creative and cut their coat according to their size. But the political elite do not want it because it is a cash cow for them presently. Sorry to say, but you mentioned the current system favours muslims, It favors the political class. How does it favour them withTerrorism & Banditry , Highest poverty rate, Highest in out of school children etc. It just favors the political class is the point im trying to pass. But yet again, agreed restructuring is the way forward. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Geeman2006: 12:01am On Nov 23, 2021 |
freshkpomo: Sir! This hisbah of a thing is just political. And presently it is only the ones in Kano that are kind of active when they want to be. People have come to realize they are just political tools and hypocrites when it comes to dispensing their duties and providing Justice. They go after the poor and helpless and turn a blind eye when the high and mighty do the same. It is an employment driver and an ego booster for Islamic fundamentalists. As far as I know, Christians are allowed to go about their businesses without harassment, it is when Muslims get involved in things considered unIslamic or are found in such situations that you would see hisbah step in. Any other thing is mostly eye service and being overzealous. So forget those guys, they are just nuisances who give Islam bad press. And hisbah do not carry guns rather batons. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by orisa37: 5:23am On Nov 23, 2021 |
us-erred-in-delisting-nigeria-from-religious-freedom-blacklist-can. ANOTHER CASE OF SENDING KERRY TO SOKOTO INSTEAD OF ABUJA. |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by Poleski: 8:56am On Nov 23, 2021 |
Righteousness2: The country you claim has turned its back on God is doing far better than your "religious" shithole country that's infested with endemic corruption, abysmal leadership, and massive insecurity! |
Re: CAN: US Erred In Delisting Nigeria From Religious Freedom Blacklist by verifiablefacts: 1:08pm On Nov 23, 2021 |
J3susFr3ak:You are a good man. |
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