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Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by cliqtips: 2:23am On Nov 23, 2021
What exactly is the purpose of doing SIM registration?
If it can't be used to track Scammers.

I had two experiences with these scammers this week.

One called me telling me an old man was trying to send recharge to his son but mistakenly sent the recharge cards to my phone that the cards worth 3000 Naira.

"Lmao" in brodashaggi's voice.

This stupid boy is the same person that would act the old man for me on the call but I wasn't caught up for his act anyways.

As at the time he called, he hadn't received any text message (of the card) from the number but I was sure that he was going to send it after the code. Of course, I have had similar experiences before. ( na their format be that grin )

To cut the story short, I told him on that call to get a job instead of trying to scam people ( I did that because I wasn't in the mood to stay long on the call).

2.
Another one, it was a stupid fellow that replied my comment on a particular bank IG page telling me to whatsapp a number to assist me.
Honestly, maybe because I was livid, I didn't check the handle correctly (I shared a screenshot)


I added the number on whatsapp and the werey was acting like a rep/member of the company. He introduced himself as a lady grin with his ID number (acted as if he was genuine )

So, he asked me what my complaint was and told me he wanted to assist me.

He asked for my bank details which I gave him.
Then, he proceeded to ask for the first 6 digits of my card and the last 4 digits of the card. ( I already told him that the issue I was having is card related issues) so, I gave him the details.
Of course, I'm aware that with the details I gave above, he can't hack my account unless he gets or knows my PIN. So, I wasn't bothered until he asked me for my PIN number.

I asked him *Are you joking?* & *Lol*.

He then replied me saying this line
"Be informed questions asked are for confidential and for authentication purpose only"

For my mind, I say "werey" cheesy

what I noticed was that those message he sent were canned messages i.e stored shortcuts reply on his whatsapp. Which means he has been doing it for long and he's still doing that.

So, After he noticed I wasn't ready to give him the PIN, he blocked me on his whatsapp.

The fun thing is that the werey is using the company's logo as dp.


So back to my question, with the SIM registration that has been mandatory for everyone before using a SIM card,

can't these Scammers be tracked down?

Using the details collected from them by their network service provider.

I'm just thinking aloud here. Because I'm sure, I wasn't the only one those two contacted.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by othermen: 4:46am On Nov 23, 2021
On Zenith Bank official page on social media (Facebook especially) you have loads of fraudsters using the name of the bank. A naive or distraught customer making a complaint is sometimes not responded to by the bank, but then a fraudster with the name of the bank contacts you or responds. I don’t know why the bank allows this on their official page.

If you check the screenshot, the name of the official page of the bank is very similar to the one responding to the customers complaint and the naive or distraught customer in the heat of resolving the issue, is taken advantage of. The second screenshot shows the misleading fake blue tick on such fraudulent account. I hope the banks follow up on such activities on their page and remove such fraudulent pages.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by femi4: 5:10am On Nov 23, 2021
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The idiot above called yesterday wanting to confirm my dob. Useless people. I ve flagged his number as scammer on Truecaller

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by ipobarethieves: 5:15am On Nov 23, 2021
sad Patami deceive us with his Useless NIN . Very Useless

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Nothingserious: 5:16am On Nov 23, 2021
I am truly interested in learning the reasons for our inability to track those fraudsters.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by ipobarethieves: 5:20am On Nov 23, 2021
If dey mistakenly send u card, U too should mistakenly use the card and block the bastard

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by finalboss(m): 7:21am On Nov 23, 2021
Nothingserious:
I am truly interested in learning the reasons for our inability to track those fraudsters.
You can't track anyone using their phone number it's unreliable just like using IP address

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by TeeGentle(m): 7:31am On Nov 23, 2021
they can track it but it is caused by laziness

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by DropsMic(m): 7:31am On Nov 23, 2021
Nothingserious:
I am truly interested in learning the reasons for our inability to track those fraudsters.

We are blacks.. That's the only reason you need

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by samuelevans(m): 7:45am On Nov 23, 2021
did you report the case?

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Ayojideonline(m): 7:53am On Nov 23, 2021
This is gradually coming into place, not until telecom companies shut off unregistered numbers, it can't be fully implemented. Once lines with NO NIN are are shut, scammers will be easier to track. so patiently wait until then. Stay safe.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Nothingserious: 7:56am On Nov 23, 2021
finalboss:

You can't track anyone using their phone number it's unreliable just like using IP address

So we are just helpless.
What of the EFCC, anti-fraud units in Police, ICPC and the NIM-SIM connections? Aren’t they supposed to offer respite here?

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by finalboss(m): 8:07am On Nov 23, 2021
Nothingserious:


So we are just helpless.
What of the EFCC, anti-fraud units in Police, ICPC and the NIM-SIM connections? Aren’t they supposed to offer respite here?
Only for a good cause.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Nothingserious: 9:31am On Nov 23, 2021
finalboss:

Only for a good cause.

Okay. Like for National security I guess and for big ticket fraud or financial mismanagement cases the government is interested in.
Thanks

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by finalboss(m): 9:39am On Nov 23, 2021
Nothingserious:


Okay. Like for National security I guess and for big ticket fraud or financial mismanagement cases the government is interested in.
Thanks
Now you get it. grin.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Newboss(m): 1:25pm On Nov 23, 2021
Because it's not their phone number. A scammer using his phone number to run show is as dumb as the one using his IP address

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Newboss(m): 1:32pm On Nov 23, 2021
Ayojideonline:
This is gradually coming into place, not until telecom companies shut off unregistered numbers, it can't be fully implemented. Once lines with [b]NO NIN [/b]are are shut, scammers will be easier to track. so patiently wait until then. Stay safe.

The numbers are registered. Pre-registered SIM.

E go shock you to find out that that your beloved SIM was pre-registered by someone else before you bought it. Say no be your picture and name dey that SIM. For your mind, na you register that SIM.

Those guys registering SIM can register it with their own details. This country na joke

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Ayojideonline(m): 2:49pm On Nov 23, 2021
Newboss:


The numbers are registered. Pre-registered SIM.

E go shock you to find out that that your beloved SIM was pre-registered by someone else before you bought it. Say no be your picture and name dey that SIM. For your mind, na you register that SIM.

Those guys registering SIM can register it with their own details. This country na joke


This is understandable and i get what you are talking about. All that will be corrected over time. It's more of the responsibility of the telecom companies and NCC to do those adjustments. I have some experience doing these things the right way. But of course this is NIGERIA, wuru wuru to the answer in so many things. There will be improvements overtime anyways, but scammers are always lurking around stay aware!

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by angelfallz(m): 3:23pm On Nov 23, 2021
Have you tried reporting those numbers to the relevant authorities? Numbers can be tracked, but you wouldn't be able to do it in your room. You would need some equipment, I think.

cliqtips:
What exactly is the purpose of doing SIM registration?
If it can't be used to track Scammers.

I had two experiences with these scammers this week.

One called me telling me an old man was trying to send recharge to his son but mistakenly sent the recharge cards to my phone that the cards worth 3000 Naira.

"Lmao" in brodashaggi's voice.

This stupid boy is the same person that would act the old man for me on the call but I wasn't caught up for his act anyways.

As at the time he called, he hadn't received any text message (of the card) from the number but I was sure that he was going to send it after the code. Of course, I have had similar experiences before. ( na their format be that grin )

To cut the story short, I told him on that call to get a job instead of trying to scam people ( I did that because I wasn't in the mood to stay long on the call).

2.
Another one, it was a stupid fellow that replied my comment on a particular bank IG page telling me to whatsapp a number to assist me.
Honestly, maybe because I was livid, I didn't check the handle correctly (I shared a screenshot)


I added the number on whatsapp and the werey was acting like a rep/member of the company. He introduced himself as a lady grin with his ID number (acted as if he was genuine )

So, he asked me what my complaint was and told me he wanted to assist me.

He asked for my bank details which I gave him.
Then, he proceeded to ask for the first 6 digits of my card and the last 4 digits of the card. ( I already told him that the issue I was having is card related issues) so, I gave him the details.
Of course, I'm aware that with the details I gave above, he can't hack my account unless he gets or knows my PIN. So, I wasn't bothered until he asked me for my PIN number.

I asked him *Are you joking?* & *Lol*.

He then replied me saying this line
"Be informed questions asked are for confidential and for authentication purpose only"

For my mind, I say "werey" cheesy

what I noticed was that those message he sent were canned messages i.e stored shortcuts reply on his whatsapp. Which means he has been doing it for long and he's still doing that.

So, After he noticed I wasn't ready to give him the PIN, he blocked me on his whatsapp.

The fun thing is that the werey is using the company's logo as dp.


So back to my question, with the SIM registration that has been mandatory for everyone before using a SIM card,

can't these Scammers be tracked down?

Using the details collected from them by their network service provider.

I'm just thinking aloud here. Because I'm sure, I wasn't the only one those two contacted.

Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Viking07(m): 3:27pm On Nov 23, 2021
Lalasticlala, I am also interested in knowing why these fraudsters can't be tracked using their phone numbers? When you watch the crime channel (IDExtra) on DSTv, you'll see how these American cops track criminals with just a phone.

Why is our own case different?

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Jamesbiodun(m): 3:45pm On Nov 23, 2021
Everything we did is meaningless to me from sim registration to bvn and Nin, they just wasted our time

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by cliqtips: 5:04pm On Nov 23, 2021
The cards are not always a valid one.


ipobarethieves:
If dey mistakenly send u card,the. U too should mistakenly use the card and block the bastard

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by cliqtips: 5:07pm On Nov 23, 2021
No, I wasn't saying I want to track the person from my end.
I know that won't be possible but giving this information to the appropriate authorities would be of great help to curb this menace in our society.


finalboss:

You can't track anyone using their phone number it's unreliable just like using IP address
Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by finalboss(m): 5:30pm On Nov 23, 2021
cliqtips:
No, I wasn't saying I want to track the person from my end.
I know that won't be possible but giving this information to the appropriate authorities would be of great help to curb this menace in our society.


yes authorities can but not just for any cheap reasons they are already overwhelmed with cases like that involves tracking.
And to track a criminal to his house you will still need a stringray or imsi catcher.
With imsi catcher they can do and undo with your phone but you have to be close to it.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Nobody: 6:58pm On Nov 23, 2021
Pantami said the Sim registration is use to track social media users not to fight crime.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Trumann: 8:07pm On Nov 23, 2021
Why can't terrorists and bandits be traced with their phone numbers?

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by ivolt: 8:07pm On Nov 23, 2021
Forget all the excuses given above.
The primary reason is money, any number can be tracked if you can afford the payment.

Perhaps your intended question is why police don't track scammers?
It still boils down to money issue.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by wunmi590(m): 8:07pm On Nov 23, 2021


Because the government themselves are original scammers....

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by Trumann: 8:07pm On Nov 23, 2021
finalboss:
yes authorities can but not just for any cheap reasons they are already overwhelmed with cases like that involves tracking.
And to track a criminal to his house you will still need a stringray or imsi catcher.
With imsi catcher they can do and undo with your phone but you have to be close to it.

Which is earlier to do?
To ban Twitter in Nigeria or to track phone lines of terrorists and bandits?

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by szczescie(m): 8:07pm On Nov 23, 2021
Number 1 reason is laziness on the part of victims and Nigerians

Number 2 is religiousity, Nigerians and the "leave it for god" mentality because of this most lawyers no dey chop.

Number 3 lack of trust in police

Number 4 fear of police

Number 5 money police will charge you for the case I tho you are the victim

Also consider that there are Too many of them, too much effort for what is considered little crime/non violent crime.

Imagine stealing $10 from someone an ocean away for the person to prosecute it will cost thousands of dollars, that's almost what going to court feels like for over 80% of Nigerians (70% of Nigerians are living below poverty line according to all major reputable sources).

Also in cases like these where they attempted but you didn't fall for it there's no incentive to pursue

But me what I do is I block their accounts make them sweat a little, go to police file a report, take that report to court to get an order freezing the account pending ininvestigation... Usually I abandon the case here because it costs money and time to pursue it up... If you want to do it just let me know I can run it for you.

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Re: Why Can't Scammers Be Tracked Down By Their Phone Numbers ? by mutvy: 8:08pm On Nov 23, 2021
Lack of interest from mobile phones service providers.

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