oyatz:



Allow your eggs to hatch before counting your chicks.

Ekealterego:

He was referring to the blacks of the coasts LOL. He differentiated the other blacks from the Hickbaus blacks. LOL. Either ways, it is the swords I wanted to point out

Ekealterego:

Talking about the blacksmiths. here was the encounter Basden had with the Awka smiths. Although, this is already between 1916-1920.

CovenHighPriest:


This thread is so rich mehn! Wow

Igboid:


Good one.
If only they Learnt the process of making the barrels of gun earlier enough, maybe we could have made enough guns to halt the colonials from defeating us.

Putindbutt:

Don't come at me with that twist. He rightly said"of Benin kingdom"

Igboid:


Good one.
If only they Learnt the process of making the barrels of gun earlier enough, maybe we could have made enough guns to halt the colonials from defeating us.

Shiver99:
We often use European/western accounts when discussing the coasts of Nigeria, as they extensively traded and interacted with its inhabitants and wrote detailed reports.

However tales of the Igbo hinterland has to be studied with far more care as they were often not first person accounts. Especially when you realise that as far as the late 19th century, most of Igboland was a no-go zone for foreigners.

To illustrate this point, for some time Europeans believed that Aboh was the head of Igboland. It made sense as the Aboh dominated lower delta trade and their coastal neighbours with their war canoes. Their town much larger and significant than anything seen on the coast.

This went unchallenged until natives informed them that there were towns 3 times its size far further in the hinterland with more industry.

Malawian:

You notice that even Ishekiri, Urhobo and Benin people sat far away observing and leaning Ijaw history? I swear those one dey cook jelenje dey wait Ijaw for their land wey Ijaw dey claim.

Ekealterego:

Talking about the blacksmiths. here was the encounter Basden had with the Awka smiths. Although, this is already between 1916-1920.

Ekealterego:


He was the first to propose a self-governed independent nation of the Igbos and also of Akus (Yoruba) to the British crown. This is even before colonisation.

His proposition is that if the British helped these two nations, they will be very great and will be good source of trade and partnership. This was 1868! However, the British decided to go the opposite direction.

Ekealterego:

Unfortunately... the only one left around that area celebrated his 100th birthday.
He is from Igbo Ukwu.

This is that of a woman in black and white and the recoloured version brought back to life.

Ekealterego:

That's great to hear. Imagine what stories these guys might have, if they remember any..

Ekealterego:

I thought Ututu is in Arochukwu LGA. is there another Ututu?

Not to derail or anything, you could still see Igbo communities in the heart of Cross Rivers. Not even at the border o with Aro r at the intersection of Akwa-Ibom.

From the naming style, it is probably an offshoot of Arochukwu or Abam or Ohafia people but mostly the first two. Most of their settlements come as Nde/Ndi/Ndu/Ndo

See another one on the border with Cameroon. Its called Etiti Ulo? LOL

I wonder what these people speak today. If they do not speak Igbo then of course they are lost. LOL
CC Bkayy, Slayerforever, Igboid, Fejoku
The names< Igbofia, Nde Aliche, Nde Akwara, IfuNkpa (Nkpas or Mkpas are in Bende), Akamkpa, Ndiro, Orimini-Mba
Topic for another thread.

Ekealterego:


Probably the earliest collection of the language by Clarke 1841-5
You can see Bonny names for Man, Woman, etc..

Igboid:


According to Eleme Wikipedia page. The full name was "Mbaolli iche" meaning a single special country.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleme_people

Eleme are basically Ogoni people who mixed with Aros and lost their Ogoni flavor and now don't consider themselves Igbo(Aro) or Ogoni, but want to be independent.
Their saving grace is that they retained their original Ogoni language.
If they were Igboid speaking, we would be wanting them to reconnect to us through Aros.

The Aro influence on Eleme is retained in Igbo names some of them of Aro origin bear till this day.
Look at the names of Eleme important personalities on Wikipedia.
See Dimkpa and other Igbo names there.

JANK23H:

The other person said Ikiri means animal.There is no correlation here, especially with that of Bonny/Opobo Ijaw.

Putindbutt:
Jaja was himself a slave, made a foreman by his master. He acquired considerable wealth and rebelled against Bonny. He was however defeated and expelled. The two groups of slaves in Bonny were ibos and ibibios. That Bonny spoke Pidgin or broken ibo testified to the large number of ibos there. Other nearby Bonny villages continued to speak ibani and do not speak Pidgin ibo to this day.

SlayerForever:



Anytime I talk about Ijaw I mean Bayelsa and Delta. T[b]here are no Ijaws in Rivers. [/b]

Ama is common in Delta as town name.

OfoIgbo:


But the Pepples were of Igbo ancestry. Thankfully both Captain Crow and Dr. Baikie confirmed this fact. Of course, Crowther in his true Yoruba form, possibly chose to hide this fact. Unfortunately, neutral Europeans, in their earlier records, did make it clear that the ruling families of both New Calabar and Ubani, were of Igbo ancestry.

Another fact being that Captain Crow's memoirs' compilation really started in 1790, which is many decades before Crowther was born.

What this means is that Crow's memoirs will always be a superior source of information with regards to the true origins of Bonny

Idiko1:


The bolded is a statement out of idiotic stream of thought. Ijaw were neither slave raiders nor middlemen. The Ijaw were, at best, ship hands and porters. Sometime pirates on canoes among the creeks.

Malawian:

You said you traded with the Portuguese, please this is a very serious question, what exactly were you selling to the Portuguese?

Biafrarep:


They are showing you hardcore evidences with historical exhibits to back it up only for you to be recounting myths and legends.

So, when we finally meet at the International court of Justice, these fables is what you will be regurgitating?

My condolences in advance

Igboid:


Some thing else came to my mind looking at that pic.
There is a community in Ndoki known as Akirika.
Akirika had three parts. Akirika Uku, Akirika nta and Akirika Obu( which Akwaibom was dragging).

Okirika and Akirika sound alike and these places are not too far away from each other.

And yes, the "Wa-creek" hypothesis clicks well.

Ekealterego:

You are correct. The book is free on Google books too as I can see.

Here are the excerpts

SlayerForever:



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Can you see that the language of New Calabar (Kalabari) was Igbo. Kalabari were earlier Igbo speaking. Same as Nembe Brass.


I hear Kalabari's language is still very Igbonized today. But I don't know how true.

Maybe I should mention some old Kalabari members

SlayerForever:



Did you say Itam!

If you're talking about Itam I know one or two about Itam! Itam today is a general name by Efiks used to refer to non Ibibio tribes in Northern and Central Cross River. If Itam and Otam were the same then in finding them look no further than Northern/Central Cross River state!

One of the tribes there would be the Itam/Otam as recorded.

Putindbutt:

Equiano famously known as Gustavus Vassa has his origin very much in contention. Y'all always pick controversial battles.

oyatz:



You are making two big mistakes;


1) Ancestries doesn't necessarily mean the current ethnic identity. For instance, Barack Obama has a Kenyan ancenstry but this doesn't mean he is a Kenyan.
The ruling saxe-coburg-gota (Windsor) royal family of Britain has a German ancestry but this doesn't mean the family is not a British family but a German family.


2) The ancestries of the king may not necessarily mean the ethnic Identity of the town e.g The Ruling Bourbon royal family of Spain has a French ancenstry but this doesn't mean that Spain is now part of France.
The Obi of Onitsha has Bini ancestry but Onitsha is not a Bini Town.

OfoIgbo:


But Ubani and Opobo people speak Igbo as their first language, and are only forces to learn Ibani as a distant second language.

So if their ruling families are of Igbo ancestry and their first language is Igbo, then to all intents and purposes, Ubani and Opobo are Igbo territories.