Gospel2Day:


You mentioned AD 364. So what was the church observing since AD33 after Jesus rose from the grave?
You're mixing up and mingling Judaism with Christianity.
Try visit Israel and you will realize that the Jews still observe their Saturday Sabbath till tomorrow.
There's no way you will argue it. Jesus was not born on December 25.
The Christmas Tree has a pagan origin. Do your research very well.
Bible says for believers any day we choose to rest and worship is permitted and accepted.
That pagan Romans worship Sun on Sunday is their sinful choice. It does not make that day their own.
They have no ownership right or claim over the day because they did not create it.
I'm Yoruba, we call Sunday Ọjọ́ Àìkú.
So, Rome cannot claim that they gave us the name of the first day of the week.
Chinese don't call it Sunday, other tongues and tribes have their own names for it too.
Show me a Christmas picture that is as popular and global as the one showing Santa Claus and the demonic Tree.

The church only started worshipping on Sunday after Christianity spread from Israel abroad. You need to know that in places like Rome and Alexandria there were learned men just like we have today who were spin doctors. The more the early xtians mixed with others the more they dropped their Sabbath belief.
If Jesus Christ himself observed the Sabbath then who Were the early Christians not to do so?

Answer my question: which day did the lord ask us to keep holy? On which day did he rest?

If human beings like the early Christians can say: oh, let us change day of worship from Saturday to Sunday because Jesus resurrected on Sunday, then no one should question Christians who decide to pick a day for Christmas.

If you study your bible well, you would know the story of the young man who fell asleep during a night service and fell down and died. That service could only have taken place on a Saturday evening. So the early Christians did not immediately abandon Saturday worship after Jesus resurrected.

But two things are on record: God ordained Saturday worship and two, emperor Constantine ordained Sunday worship.

And before I forget: the most popular image of Christmas is not Santa or Christmas tree. Its the image of the Nativity. A young couple and their baby with a few cows around them.I am sure even you know this. Unless you want to argue blindly again.

obaaderemi:
The church only started worshipping on Sunday after Christianity spread from Israel abroad. You need to know that in places like Rome and Alexandria there were learned men just like we have today who were spin doctors. The more the early xtians mixed with others the more they dropped their Sabbath belief.
If Jesus Christ himself observed the Sabbath then who Were the early Christians not to do so?

Answer my question: which day did the lord ask us to keep holy? On which day did he rest?

If human beings like the early Christians can say: oh, let us change day of worship from Saturday to Sunday because Jesus resurrected on Sunday, then no one should question Christians who decide to pick a day for Christmas.

If you study your bible well, you would know the story of the young man who fell asleep during a night service and fell down and died. That service could only have taken place on a Saturday evening. So the early Christians did not immediately abandon Saturday worship after Jesus resurrected.

But two things are on record: God ordained Saturday worship and two, emperor Constantine ordained Sunday worship.

And before I forget: the most popular image of Christmas is not Santa or Christmas tree. Its the image of the Nativity. A young couple and their baby with a few cows around them.I am sure even you know this. Unless you want to argue blindly again.

Mention ONE holy man of God who observed the Sabbath before Moses received the Ten Commandments for Israel. Adam did not. Enoch did not. Noah did not. Abraham did not. Isaac did not. Jacob did not. Joseph did not.
Sabbath was a purely Jewish thing, not a command for Christians to observe or obey.
The picture you posted is NOT POPULAR at all.
Bless you.
Bye.

Gospel2Day:


Mention ONE holy man of God who observed the Sabbath before Moses received the Ten Commandments for Israel. Adam did not. Enoch did not. Noah did not. Abraham did not. Isaac did not. Jacob did not. Joseph did not.
Sabbath was a purely Jewish thing, not a command for Christians to observe or obey.
The picture you posted is NOT POPULAR at all.
Bless you.
Bye.

Sabbath was a direct order from God to man. The Catholic church has done a lot of tampering with peoples heads concerning most of the things you people follow today. Did Jesus not observe Sabbath?

obaaderemi:
The church only started worshipping on Sunday after Christianity spread from Israel abroad. You need to know that in places like Rome and Alexandria there were learned men just like we have today who were spin doctors. The more the early xtians mixed with others the more they dropped their Sabbath belief.
If Jesus Christ himself observed the Sabbath then who Were the early Christians not to do so?

Answer my question: which day did the lord ask us to keep holy? On which day did he rest?

If human beings like the early Christians can say: oh, let us change day of worship from Saturday to Sunday because Jesus resurrected on Sunday, then no one should question Christians who decide to pick a day for Christmas.

If you study your bible well, you would know the story of the young man who fell asleep during a night service and fell down and died. That service could only have taken place on a Saturday evening. So the early Christians did not immediately abandon Saturday worship after Jesus resurrected.

But two things are on record: God ordained Saturday worship and two, emperor Constantine ordained Sunday worship.

And before I forget: the most popular image of Christmas is not Santa or Christmas tree. Its the image of the Nativity. A young couple and their baby with a few cows around them.I am sure even you know this. Unless you want to argue blindly again.

well said. But they are too blind and deaf to listen. They will argue with you because they are trapped in their ways which the romans have forced on them. Although some early Christian s worshipped on Sunday , it didn't become universal until Constantine forced it upon everybody, in commemoration of their sun god.

Aderr:
Sabbath was a direct order from God to man. The Catholic church has done a lot of tampering with peoples heads concerning most of the things you people follow today. Did Jesus not observe Sabbath?

Jesus was a Jew. Christianity is NOT A JEWISH RELIGION. SABBATH WAS GIVEN ONLY TO JEWS TO OBSERVE.
BYE.

Onijekije wobia

Bodmum:
women tends to love you more when they know you are impotent.

Hmm

Gospel2Day:


Mention ONE holy man of God who observed the Sabbath before Moses received the Ten Commandments for Israel. Adam did not. Enoch did not. Noah did not. Abraham did not. Isaac did not. Jacob did not. Joseph did not.
Sabbath was a purely Jewish thing, not a command for Christians to observe or obey.
The picture you posted is NOT POPULAR at all.
Bless you.
Bye.

God didn't ordain a day of worship for his people until Moses. After Sabbath was ordained for them, they all kept it.

Did Jesus keep the Sabbath or not? Yes or no?

If you call yourself a follower of Jesus then you would follow his examples. Not the example of those who changed what he himself observed, the Sabbath.
Christianity means ' Christlike'.

There are evidences to prove Sunday worship was ordained by decree by the romans.
If you worship on Sunday or Saturday or Friday, that's your problem with your God. If anyone chooses to celebrate Xmas, that's their problem with their God. You are in no position to condemn them if you don't want God to condemn you as well.

Gospel2Day:


Jesus was a Jew. Christianity is NOT A JEWISH RELIGION. SABBATH WAS GIVEN ONLY TO JEWS TO OBSERVE.
BYE.

You just proved you are a poor student of the Bible, bro.

The Sabbath commandment is the 4th commandment.
*Remember the Sabbath day to keep it only.*
Some of you will only realize how much damage the romans and their Catholic religion did to God's worship when/if you make heaven.

Aderr:
well said. But they are too blind and deaf to listen. They will argue with you because they are trapped in their ways which the romans have forced on them. Although some early Christian s worshipped on Sunday , it didn't become universal until Constantine forced it upon everybody, in commemoration of their sun god.

Most of them are very ignorant.

The heading should be " Fanikayode Organised a selecting get-together party for his many girl friend to Huke for the next 2022 Bed playing project . At least Igbos lady or women go carry 80% of that selection party. Women and Fani like liquid and bottles. Na them dey rush him yet one stupid Igbo woman said Fani no Sabi f**k but women no dey like man way no Sabi f**k nowwwwwwww.

obaaderemi:
You just proved you are a poor student of the Bible, bro.

The Sabbath commandment is the 4th commandment.
*Remember the Sabbath day to keep it only.*
Some of you will only realize how much damage the romans and their Catholic religion did to God's worship when/if you make heaven.

Don't rant. Just contradict my assertions. The 10 Commandments were given to Israel, NOT to the World.
What was given to the world was The 7 Moral Laws of the sons of Noah, in which there is no Sabbath keeping.
Educate yourself properly before coming online to argue, pls.
Shalom.

Gospel2Day:


Don't rant. Just contradict my assertions. The 10 Commandments were given to Israel, NOT to the World.
What was given to the world was The 7 Moral Laws of the sons of Noah, in which there is no Sabbath keeping.
Educate yourself properly before coming online to argue, pls.
Shalom.

You are the one ranting. You lost the argument from the beginning but your pride is standing in your way.

If you say the ten commandments were given to the Jews, then why do you modern day evangelicals claim the blessings of the Jews?

So to win an argument you try to water down the importance of God's laws? If you invalidate any of the points in the ten commandments, then you make the others invalidated also. That means it's okay to have another god in place of God. You can then also covet and kill and disrespect your parents because those laws are not universal. You are not worthy to judge anyone if you are ignorant and follow what the whites forced down your throat too.

The things we read on nairaland.

obaaderemi:
You are the one ranting. You lost the argument from the beginning but your pride is standing in your way.

If you say the ten commandments were given to the Jews, then why do you modern day evangelicals claim the blessings of the Jews?

So to win an argument you try to water down the importance of God's laws? If you invalidate any of the points in the ten commandments, then you make the others invalidated also. That means it's okay to have another god in place of God. You can then also covet and kill and disrespect your parents because those laws are not universal. You are not worthy to judge anyone if you are ignorant and follow what the whites forced down your throat too.

The things we read on nairaland.

What you call "the blessings of the Jews" are actually the blessings of Abraham that believing Gentiles partake of through their faith in Christ Jesus.
I don't know how to make you understand.
God didn't tell Moses and the Jews to take the Ten Commandments to the whole world and inform them that He wants them to observe and obey them.
In fact, God forbade them to associate with Gentiles.
When Jesus gave the Apostles the Gospel, He told them to take its message to the whole world.
You only know about the Ten Commandments because you have a Bible. What about unbelievers who lived before the Bible became available to everyone?
How would they know about any Sabbath?
If God wants everyone to keep the Sabbath, why didn't God include it among the commands He gave Adam in the Garden?
Why didn't God tell Abraham to observe the Sabbath?
Did Noah and His family observe the Sabbath?
The Gospel is NOT the Ten Commandments. It is the good news that in Christ Jesus God is forgiving the sins of humanity and gifting them eternal Life and spiritual Light by the indwelling of His Holy Spirit so that humans can obey God and resist sins.
The other question is why do you emphasize only the 7th Day Sabbath and not also the 7th Year Sabbath?
The Ten Commandments are NOT the total laws of God to Israel. In fact He sent them into exile for 70 years for failing to observe the 7th Year Sabbath.
When last, sir, did you obey or observe the 7th Year Sabbath?
If you haven't, then be expecting the furious judgment of God ahead of you, since He is a consistent God. If He punished the Jews for not keeping the 7th Year Sabbath, then He won't spare you either.
The problem is that you don't understand the Gospel. You're mixing and mingling up the Law and Gospel.
Bible says in John 1 that "The Law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus."
Don't confuse people. There are 613 Laws in the Old Testament.
Don't just pick 10 out of them and make them the basis for your argument.
Thanks for your time.
Shalom.

Gospel2Day:


What you call "the blessings of the Jews" are actually the blessings of Abraham that believing Gentiles partake of through their faith in Christ Jesus.
I don't know how to make you understand.
God didn't tell Moses and the Jews to take the Ten Commandments to the whole world and inform them that He wants them to observe and obey them.
In fact, God forbade them to associate with Gentiles.
When Jesus gave the Apostles the Gospel, He told them to take its message to the whole world.
You only know about the Ten Commandments because you have a Bible. What about unbelievers who lived before the Bible became available to everyone?
How would they know about any Sabbath?
If God wants everyone to keep the Sabbath, why didn't God include it among the commands He gave Adam in the Garden?
Why didn't God tell Abraham to observe the Sabbath?
Did Noah and His family observe the Sabbath?
The Gospel is NOT the Ten Commandments. It is the good news that in Christ Jesus God is forgiving the sins of humanity and gifting them eternal Life and spiritual Light by the indwelling of His Holy Spirit so that humans can obey God and resist sins.
The other question is why do you emphasize only the 7th Day Sabbath and not also the 7th Year Sabbath?
The Ten Commandments are NOT the total laws of God to Israel. In fact He sent them into exile for 70 years for failing to observe the 7th Year Sabbath.
When last, sir, did you obey or observe the 7th Year Sabbath?
If you haven't, then be expecting the furious judgment of God ahead of you, since He is a consistent God. If He punished the Jews for not keeping the 7th Year Sabbath, then He won't spare you either.
The problem is that you don't understand the Gospel. You're mixing and mingling up the Law and Gospel.
Bible says in John 1 that "The Law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus."
Don't confuse people. There are 613 Laws in the Old Testament.
Don't just pick 10 out of them and make them the basis for your argument.
Thanks for your time.
Shalom.

So how are you sure you are not talking to a Sabbath keeper? And concerning seventh year Sabbath, you just displayed your ignorance again. The seventh year Sabbath has to do with land. If I were a farmer I would gladly observe it because science supports its relevance. Land fallow.

You people are funny. Jesus said he didn't come to weaken the laws but to make them stronger. I ask you again, did Jesus himself observe the Sabbath or not?
If you claim to be a Christian then you must be Christlike in all you do including how he worshipped.
And if the ten commandments are still relevant in Christianity today, then you have no right to make any of the laws irrelevant. Unless you can boldly say those laws are no longer relevant.

Who ordained Sunday service? Was it God or man?
These are questions you keep running away from.
If you keep condemning those who choose a particular day to honour the birth of Christ, then you are already condemned yourself because you are also worshipping not on a day explicitly ordained by God.

You know little and it's shameful how tenaciously you hold on to your ignorance. Bye.

obaaderemi:
So how are you sure you are not talking to a Sabbath keeper? And concerning seventh year Sabbath, you just displayed your ignorance again. The seventh year Sabbath has to do with land. If I were a farmer I would gladly observe it because science supports its relevance. Land fallow.

You people are funny. Jesus said he didn't come to weaken the laws but to make them stronger. I ask you again, did Jesus himself observe the Sabbath or not?
If you claim to be a Christian then you must be Christlike in all you do including how he worshipped.
And if the ten commandments are still relevant in Christianity today, then you have no right to make any of the laws irrelevant. Unless you can boldly say those laws are no longer relevant.

Who ordained Sunday service? Was it God or man?
These are questions you keep running away from.
If you keep condemning those who choose a particular day to honour the birth of Christ, then you are already condemned yourself because you are also worshipping not on a day explicitly ordained by God.

You know little and it's shameful how tenaciously you hold on to your ignorance. Bye.

You're the one holding stubbornly to your ignorance.
Read Acts 15 : 5 - 15 - 31 to cure your ignorance and error. .
Do you keep the commandments of God to all male Jews to appear in Jerusalem for the Feasts of Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles THREE TIMES IN A YEAR, LIKE JESUS DID?
Or you are unlike Jesus in that aspect.
I know you're a Sabbatharian. You people are in error because you reject Apostolic Authority about the issue of keeping the Laws of Moses as clearly and succinctly enunciated in the New Testament, especially in Acts chapter 15.
Bye. .

Gospel2Day:


You're the one holding stubbornly to your ignorance.
Read Acts 15 : 5 - 15 - 31 to cure your ignorance and error. .
Do you keep the commandments of God to all male Jews to appear in Jerusalem for the Feasts of Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles THREE TIMES IN A YEAR, LIKE JESUS DID?
Or you are unlike Jesus in that aspect.
I know you're a Sabbatharian. You people are in error because you reject Apostolic Authority about the issue of keeping the Laws of Moses as clearly and succinctly enunciated in the New Testament, especially in Acts chapter 15.
Bye. .

You are confusing yourself because of your ignorance.

The ten commandments are clearly stated and universal. You and your ilks are trying hard to disrepute the ten commandments because of only the 4th commandment which does not agree with your man- made Sunday worship.

If Sunday worship was not ordained by God the same way he ordained the seventh day worship, then who are you to condemn those who also choose to honour another man-made day of celebration? The Bible cautioned people like you in Luke 6:37( you might have to look that up. )

Now you are grasping at straws and searching for other little known laws when the good Lord in His wisdom has summarized everything for man in the ten commandments.
Did Jesus, who you claim to emulate observe the Sabbath or not?

obaaderemi:
You are confusing yourself because of your ignorance.

The ten commandments are clearly stated and universal. You and your ilks are trying hard to disrepute the ten commandments because of only the 4th commandment which does not agree with your man- made Sunday worship.

If Sunday worship was not ordained by God the same way he ordained the seventh day worship, then who are you to condemn those who also choose to honour another man-made day of celebration? The Bible cautioned people like you in Luke 6:37( you might have to look that up. )

Now you are grasping at straws and searching for other little known laws when the good Lord in His wisdom has summarized everything for man in the ten commandments.
Did Jesus, who you claim to emulate observe the Sabbath or not?

The Ten Commandments are universal?
Which other peoples or ethnic groups did God give the Ten Commandments?
When He gave them to Israel did He command Israel to go to the whole world and inform them about His Universal Ten Commandments?
Read your Bible. Sabbath and Circumcision are Two Covenant Signs between God and Israel ONLY, ALONE, NOT with the Gentile world.
I'm tired of trying to educate someone who is rigidly set in his errors and ignorance.
See Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20. Sabbaths are a SIGN between God and the Jews ONLY.
The Rainbow is a Covenant Sign between God and the Whole World.
You seem to have categorized God's Laws into the Universal Ten Commandments and the Unimportant 603 Commandments that people can break and disobey without consequences.
How you can't see your obvious error is shocking to me.
Observing Sabbath makes one like Jesus, but NOT observing the Three Pilgrimage Annual Feasts that Jesus observed is okay àbí?
Did you know that any male who is not CIRCUMCISED is NOT reckoned to be part of God's people?
Before you even think of Sabbath, if you are not circumcised you CANNOT be accepted by God. So, all uncircumcised Christians and Sabbath-arians are NOT going to be allowed to be in God's heaven àbí?
You need help, bro.
Shalom.

obaaderemi:
You are confusing yourself because of your ignorance.

The ten commandments are clearly stated and universal. You and your ilks are trying hard to disrepute the ten commandments because of only the 4th commandment which does not agree with your man- made Sunday worship.

If Sunday worship was not ordained by God the same way he ordained the seventh day worship, then who are you to condemn those who also choose to honour another man-made day of celebration? The Bible cautioned people like you in Luke 6:37( you might have to look that up. )

Now you are grasping at straws and searching for other little known laws when the good Lord in His wisdom has summarized everything for man in the ten commandments.
Did Jesus, who you claim to emulate observe the Sabbath or not?

According to you, "little known laws" can be broken without consequences?
Your education is incomplete, if you think you will tell a judge that you broke the laws of your country because they're 'little known'.
It is obvious that you are very close minded.
Shalom.

Gospel2Day:


According to you, "little known laws" can be broken without consequences?
Your education is incomplete, if you think you will tell a judge that you broke the laws of your country because they're 'little known'.

Can you please in all honesty as the Christian you claim to be show us where I said or slightly implied the bolded? You are obviously a fake Christian. There Are many desperate liars like you ruining the body of Christ out there. Show me where I said that. You are desperate and you are the one with a poor education as you've shown consistently. But then it is needless to lie for the sake of an argument. That's desperation.

Gospel2Day:

It is obvious that you are very close minded.
Shalom.

The only close minded person here is you. You are not ready to learn. But please stop condemning others for their choices as long as they don't harm you in any way with their Christmas celebration. If you condemn others you are condemned by God. That's what Christ, who you claim to follow, said. Bye.

Gospel2Day:


The Ten Commandments are universal?
Which other peoples or ethnic groups did God give the Ten Commandments?

You clearly don't know the meaning of the world universal. Is it not universally accepted that lying is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that killing is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that covetousness is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that stealing is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that parents should be revered? Is it not universally accepted among Christians that God alone should be revered and not graven images? So the only one you have a problem with ( 4th commandments) makes the whole body of the ten commandments something only Jews should follow? You are pathetic. I stopped reading at the first paragraph. The rest of your drivel deserves nothing but scorn and cancellation. I am sure it would be a waste of my precious time to read it.

Gospel2Day:

[s]When He gave them to Israel did He command Israel to go to the whole world and inform them about His Universal Ten Commandments?
Read your Bible. Sabbath and Circumcision are Two Covenant Signs between God and Israel ONLY, ALONE, NOT with the Gentile world.
I'm tired of trying to educate someone who is rigidly set in his errors and ignorance.
See Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20. Sabbaths are a SIGN between God and the Jews ONLY.
The Rainbow is a Covenant Sign between God and the Whole World.
You seem to have categorized God's Laws into the Universal Ten Commandments and the Unimportant 603 Commandments that people can break and disobey without consequences.
How you can't see your obvious error is shocking to me.
Observing Sabbath makes one like Jesus, but NOT observing the Three Pilgrimage Annual Feasts that Jesus observed is okay àbí?
Did you know that any male who is not CIRCUMCISED is NOT reckoned to be part of God's people?
Before you even think of Sabbath, if you are not circumcised you CANNOT be accepted by God. So, all uncircumcised Christians and Sabbath-arians are NOT going to be allowed to be in God's heaven àbí?
You need help, bro.
Shalom.[/s]

obaaderemi:
You clearly don't know the meaning of the world universal. Is it not universally accepted that lying is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that killing is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that covetousness is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that stealing is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that parents should be revered? Is it not universally accepted among Christians that God alone should be revered and not graven images? So the only one you have a problem with ( 4th commandments) makes the whole body of the ten commandments something only Jews should follow? You are pathetic. I stopped reading at the first paragraph. The rest of your drivel deserves nothing but scorn and cancellation. I am sure it would be a waste of my precious time to read it.

Is it universal to keep the Sabbath?
It's pointless arguing back and forth with you.
You don't want to learn. So it's no use teaching you.
I told you earlier about the Universal Moral Laws otherwise known as the The Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah. But you did not bother to Google it and cure your ignorance.
I also told you about other 603 equally important Laws in the Old Testament, but you said they're inconsequential simply because they are little known.
It is evident you don't want to learn and upgrade your little knowledge.
Good luck.
Bye.
Shalom.

obaaderemi:
You clearly don't know the meaning of the world universal. Is it not universally accepted that lying is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that killing is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that covetousness is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that stealing is wrong? Is it not universally accepted that parents should be revered? Is it not universally accepted among Christians that God alone should be revered and not graven images? So the only one you have a problem with ( 4th commandments) makes the whole body of the ten commandments something only Jews should follow? You are pathetic. I stopped reading at the first paragraph. The rest of your drivel deserves nothing but scorn and cancellation. I am sure it would be a waste of my precious time to read it.

Don't avoid and dodge the truth, as you always do. Read aloud Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20.
If the Ten Commandments are UNIVERSAL. The question you should answer is WHEN did it become universal?
If it was when God gave them to Moses on the mountain, so why were people who lived long before Moses was born keeping all of it except the Sabbath?
How did Joseph know that sleeping with his master's wife was wrong?
How did King Abimelech know that snatching Abraham/Isaac wife was sinful?
Noah gave his children the 7 Universal Moral Laws before he died. And all people groups that descended from him carried these laws with them as they dispersed and settled all over the world.
From these laws, the Hammurabi code was developed much later.
The fact is, from Creation God wrote moral laws in the conscience of humans so as to know wrong from right.
Which law forbade Cain from killing Abel?
Was there any law God gave to Adam and his children that says Thou Shall Not Kill?
If NO, so why did God judge Cain for killing his brother, when he had not broken any known law that forbids murder?
There was NOT a single law in the Ten Commandments that humans had not been keeping before Moses got them on the Mount, EXCEPT Sabbath Keeping, which was meant for Israel ONLY (See Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20).
Your problem is you don't read wide and far.
You deliberately avoided many salient points and questions I raised. You CAN'T be helped until you change your arrogant attitude that prides itself in sheer ignorance.
Thanks for your time.
Shalom.

Gospel2Day:


Don't avoid and dodge the truth, as you always do. Read aloud Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20.
If the Ten Commandments are UNIVERSAL. The question you should answer is WHEN did it become universal?

You are very obtuse and clearly confused. It's either that or you don't know the meaning of the word universal. When you say something is universal, it simply means it's widely acceptable.. And I'm surprised a so called Christian wants to limit the validity of the ten commandments to Judaism. So, in your opinion, it is right for you to slander another person because you are not a Jew since the law is not for Christians. And you can also go ahead and kill because that law against killing is not for you, since you are not a Jew.
In essence, because of the inclusion of the 4th commandment, then the whole body of the ten commandments is invalidated for Christians because the Romans said so. For the umpteenth time, did Jesus observe the Sabbath or not? If you can't answer that simple question, then your argument is doomed.

Gospel2Day:

If it was when God gave them to Moses on the mountain, so why were people who lived long before Moses was born keeping all of it except the Sabbath?
How did Joseph know that sleeping with his master's wife was wrong?
How did King Abimelech know that snatching Abraham/Isaac wife was sinful?
Noah gave his children the 7 Universal Moral Laws before he died. And all people groups that descended from him carried these laws with them as they dispersed and settled all over the world.
From these laws, the Hammurabi code was developed much later.
The fact is, from Creation God wrote moral laws in the conscience of humans so as to know wrong from right.
Which law forbade Cain from killing Abel?
Was there any law God gave to Adam and his children that says Thou Shall Not Kill?
If NO, so why did God judge Cain for killing his brother, when he had not broken any known law that forbids murder?
There was NOT a single law in the Ten Commandments that humans had not been keeping before Moses got them on the Mount, EXCEPT Sabbath Keeping, which was meant for Israel ONLY (See Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20).
Your problem is you don't read wide and far.
You deliberately avoided many salient points and questions I raised. You CAN'T be helped until you change your arrogant attitude that prides itself in sheer ignorance.
Thanks for your time.
Shalom.

This is nonsense. If people have been keeping those laws before the ten commandments, does that not lend credence to the claim that the commandments are universal? God added the 4th commandment because henceforth that was the day He set apart for Himself as a special day for all those who believe and follow Him. Even Jesus observed the Sabbath and said HE had not come to weaken the laws but strengthen them. There are many religions and belief systems in the word, but are they all sanctioned by God? The only day set aside by God with written record to back it up was the Sabbath. The only ordinance that backs up Sunday service was the Laodicean edict of the Romans. Can you show us where Sunday was ordained as a day of worship by either God or Jesus, who you claim to follow?

If you can't, then you are implying that what you follow is the rule of man rather than the rule of God or Jesus.
Actually, that's your headache and it's between you and your God. Just the same way those who choose to follow another rule of man, Christmas, have their God to answer to. You are not qualified to condemn them or you stand condemned yourself.

[s]

Gospel2Day:

Is it universal to keep the Sabbath?
It's pointless arguing back and forth with you.
You don't want to learn. So it's no use teaching you.
I told you earlier about the Universal Moral Laws otherwise known as the The Seven Laws of the Sons of Noah. But you did not bother to Google it and cure your ignorance.
I also told you about other 603 equally important Laws in the Old Testament, but you said they're inconsequential simply because they are little known.
It is evident you don't want to learn and upgrade your little knowledge.
Good luck.
Bye.
Shalom.

[/s]I don't think I need to waste my time reading this. See my response to your other post. Thanks.

obaaderemi:
[s][/s]I don't think I need to waste my time reading this. See my response to your other post. Thanks.

You don't have to read it.
You have failed the first sign/attitude of an intelligent person - Curiosity.
There is none of your responses I failed to read.
A proud heart holds blindly to his error and ignorance.
Your attitude and words reveal your shallowness.
Bye.

Gospel2Day:


You don't have to read it.
You have failed the first sign/attitude of an intelligent person - Curiosity.
There is none of your responses I failed to read.
A proud heart holds blindly to his error and ignorance.
Your attitude and words reveal your shallowness.
Bye.

Why do I need to read it when I already answered you at length on another post? And again when you have resorted to all kinds of insults as is the way of religious fanatics like you.

Not to mention the fact that I asked you a simple question which you have repeatedly ignored. That shows you as dubious, obtuse and not ready to learn. So don't play the victim with me please.

Is it not a waste of time to debate with someone who fails to accept his error even when the facts are glaring?

I asked you: Did Jesus keep the Sabbath or not? No answer.

I asked you: Was it God that ordained Sunday as a day of worship and rest as against the Sabbath , which you yourself agreed God ordained? No answer.

So be the judge.

Let me indulge you a little bit more so you can learn more, that's if you stop closing your mind ignorantly.

For your information, the apostles kept the Sabbath after the death of Jesus. Read the book if Acts and see for yourself. So who changed the Sabbath to Sunday? Men! Never God. So you think it wise to follow the law of men as against the commandment of God?

And when God gave the ten commandments to Moses, they were meant for all those who would follow in the steps of the Jews and accept Jehovah as their God, because there were other gods around the world at the time.

Let me burst your head more: those commandments were meant for everyone. God rested on Saturday and expected us to do so. Even Christ rested on Saturday in the grave. Some sources claim he actually ministered to lost souls in the grave. Like you people do on Sundays. Preaching.

He rose on Sunday and continued his work. So it's rubbish to say because Jesus rose on Sunday, then Sunday should replace the Sabbath. It was men who chose Sunday for you as the day of rest and worship. The only law that supports it was the Roman's Laodicean edict. Because Sunday was a day of rest and worship of the Roman sun god.

So if you condemn those who chose December 25 to celebrate the coming of Jesus into the world then you are condemned equally because Jesus never asked you to worship on Sunday. It was a pagan practice. Read this with emphasis on the bolded: At least this is from the Bible which you claim to follow:

Acts 17:1 (NKJV) Now when they had
passed through Amphipolis and
Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica,
where there was a synagogue of the
Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was ,
went in to them, and for three Sabbaths
reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
3 explaining and demonstrating that the
Messiah had to suffer and rise again
from the dead, and [saying], “This
Yahushua whom I preach to you is the
Messiah.” 4 And some of them were
persuaded; and a great multitude of the
devout Greeks, and not a few of the
leading women, joined Paul and Silas

obaaderemi:
Why do I need to read it when I already answered you at length on another post? And again when you have resorted to all kinds of insults as is the way of religious fanatics like you.

Not to mention the fact that I asked you a simple question which you have repeatedly ignored. That shows you as dubious, obtuse and not ready to learn. So don't play the victim with me please.

Is it not a waste of time to debate with someone who fails to accept his error even when the facts are glaring?

I asked you: Did Jesus keep the Sabbath or not? No answer.

I asked you: Was it God that ordained Sunday as a day of worship and rest as against the Sabbath , which you yourself agreed God ordained? No answer.

So be the judge.

Let me indulge you a little bit more so you can learn more, that's if you stop closing your mind ignorantly.

For your information, the apostles kept the Sabbath after the death of Jesus. Read the book if Acts and see for yourself. So who changed the Sabbath to Sunday? Men! Never God. So you think it wise to follow the law of men as against the commandment of God?

And when God gave the ten commandments to Moses, they were meant for all those who would follow in the steps of the Jews and accept Jehovah as their God, because there were other gods around the world at the time.

Let me burst your head more: those commandments were meant for everyone. God rested on Saturday and expected us to do so. Even Christ rested on Saturday in the grave. Some sources claim he actually ministered to lost souls in the grave. Like you people do on Sundays. Preaching.

He rose on Sunday and continued his work. So it's rubbish to say because Jesus rose on Sunday, then Sunday should replace the Sabbath. It was men who chose Sunday for you as the day of rest and worship. The only law that supports it was the Roman's Laodicean edict. Because Sunday was a day of rest and worship of the Roman sun god.

So if you condemn those who chose December 25 to celebrate the coming of Jesus into the world then you are condemned equally because Jesus never asked you to worship on Sunday. It was a pagan practice. Read this with emphasis on the bolded: At least this is from the Bible which you claim to follow:

You said you asked me two questions but I didn't answer them.
Did you answer my own questions?
1. Did Jesus observe and keep the 3 Annual Pilgrimage Feasts of Passover, Pentecostal and Tabernacles? If He did in obedience to God's command, why don't you be like Jesus and keep those feasts too?
2. I asked you to read Ezekiel 20 : 12 & 20 to see for yourself that Sabbath was meant ONLY for the Jews, but you dodged and ignored it.
3. I told you that if God wants everyone to observe the Sabbath, why did He wait until Moses time to tell us, why didn't He tell Adam and Eve, and Enoch and Noah and Abraham, etc?
4. Sabbath is exclusively for Jews as a distinctive practice of their religion Judaism.
5. Circumcision is a divine command that even preceded Sabbath. It was so important that God wanted to kill the son of Moses for not being circumcised. My question is will anyone not circumcised make heaven since ALL the laws God gave Moses are important?
6. You picked ONLY Sabbath and make it the ONLY Law people break, but neglect other over 600 equally important laws of God in the Old Testament. Are you sincere, are you not biased and prejudicial?
You do not want to be helped.
It is my farewell to you.
Shalom.