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Dtruthspeaker:
Jude verse 23, I missed typing "2" in "23".
"And others, save with fear, pulling them out of the Fire;" which fire?



That's not the question, you asked. So now you are changing post!

And thank God you saw "raging fire that will consume" which was in answer to the question you asked.

And without going much into this, do you real-eyes that you are talking about God and His Power?

Do you think that if God says "you shall die forever, do you think there would be an end to your dying?

Is it not that men sink in the sea? yet The Lord made Peter walk with Him upon it

Fear God O! Whatever He says He will Do, WILL CERTAINLY BE DONE!



Oh, I believe that you were referring to hell as the worsest thing that can destroy a man which people call hell fire or hell for short which is also known as the lake of fire, which is what I responded to.

But if you are looking for hell, the little small one that is not a good place to be, then the Warning of Jesus Christ about it in Mathew 10:28 should be sufficient.

Niflheim:
Depends on which HELL we are talking about.

HINDU MYTHOLOGY: 28 hells(fictional)

SCANDINAVIAN MYTHOLOGY: 2 hells(non existent)

BIBLE: 1 hell(imaginary)

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS: 1 hell(real, a place where they will deny a woman life saving blood transfusion and watch her die)

cornelboy:
Carefully study verse 14;
'Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire' . Do you think hell and death will literally be cast into the lake of fire or it figuratively means they will be destroyed eternally? Like they will be more?

cornelboy:
...Carefully study verse 14;
'Death and hell were cast into the lake of fire' . Do you think hell and death will literally be cast into the lake of fire or it figuratively means they will be destroyed eternally? Like they will be more?

DeepSight:
@ cornelboy. If you were to be shown a vision of this world as you now perceive it before you were born, would you consider it hellish?

Barristter07:
Provide proof.

Dtruthspeaker:
For me, the most important thing is that I am no where near those who are qualified for destruction.

I just want to be one of those who shall be one of the inhabitants and dwellers in the new heaven and new earth where there is no more death, hell, pains and evils, that's all!

Kobojunkie:
Matthew 25 vs 41 - 46

alphaNomega:
Dude! This is like asking someone to watch Tom and Jerry to prove Jerry is a mouse and Tom is a cat.

cornelboy:
Hope you also know that when good people die, they don't go to heaven but sleep in death in their grave awaiting resurrection?
Only few chosen people are promised life in heaven after death. They are resurrected to heaven just like Jesus to be part of God's kingdom and rule together with Christ as kings, Jesus being their KING.
These choosen people were mentioned in the book of revelation, the 144000.

The rest of the Saints and righteous people who are asleep in death will be resurrected when Jesus comes back
[color=#000099] The righteous will live peacefully on paradise earth forever...

cornelboy:
1. . Only few chosen people are promised life in heaven after death. They are resurrected to heaven just like Jesus to be part of God's kingdom and rule together with Christ as kings, Jesus being their KING.
2. These choosen people were mentioned in the book of revelation, the 144000.

4 Then I heard the number(I) of those who were sealed: 144,000(J) from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000. - Revelation 7 vs 4 - 8

Kobojunkie:
Matthew 25 vs 41 - 46

Barristter07:
It's says an everlasting fire prepared for Devil and his angels.

Kobojunkie:
And as Jesus Christ tells you in that very same context, the goats among his flock will be lead into the same place of eternal damnation referenced.

Barristter07:
I think you don't understand what everlasting fire meant. Cos that same everlasting fire is where the wild beast is thrown. Is this a literal beast? A nation? Group of persons? A person?

You can't understand Jesus usage until you take the factor above into consideration.

Kobojunkie:
What is the world are you rambling about? Wild beasts are thrown into eternal damnation?

Are you suggesting here that wild beasts have eternal souls aka they have spirits or am I missing something here?

Jesus Christ made clear in the context of Matthew 25 that the goats among His flock will be thrown into the place of eternal damnation - not a nation or groups but instead all individuals who are judged as wicked.

What bloody factors are you attempting to insert into what Jesus Christ taught to an audience of laymen?

Barristter07:
Rev 20:10 NASB
"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

The beast was there too with Devil, bringing the question: is this a literal beast ? A person? Group of persons ?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ clearly told you what will happen when He returns to judge His flock in the end, this in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. He made absolutely clear to you that the righteous would obtain eternal reward whereas the unrighteous would be rewarded with eternal damnation....

So, Again, What is the world are you rambling about? Wild beasts are thrown into eternal damnation?


Are you suggesting here that wild beasts have eternal souls aka they have spirits or am I missing something here?

Jesus Christ made clear in the context of Matthew 25 that the goats among His flock will be thrown into the place of eternal damnation - not a nation or groups but instead all individuals who are judged as wicked.

What bloody factors are you attempting to insert into what Jesus Christ taught to an audience of laymen?

Barristter07:
You see where you find yourself. So how do you explain wild beast In this lake of fire where Devil is thrown?

Revelation 20:10 is repeating what Matthew 25:41-46 said. Where the Devil is.

So if lake of fire is a real place, what's a wild beast doing there ?

Kobojunkie:
Try to learn to stick to the conversation at hand.

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The Kingdom of God belongs only to Jesus Christ, the very one who told you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 what will take place when He returns to judge all those who will be are raised by Him - John 5 vs 19 - 29.

Now, based on what He said....the righteous will be ushered into eternal reward and the unrighteous into a place of eternal damnation. This as revealed over and over in His teachings.

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Now your attempts at distracting from this by introducing a reference to a Beast which John never insinuates was human to begin with is ludicrous and an imbe-cilic attempt by your person to distract from the main.

Barristter07:
According to Jesus , this eternal damnation is the same one prepared for Devil and his angels , Correct ?
If yes, what is the beast doing in that SAME pLaCE? Is that not telling you lake of fire is a symbol?

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ reveal God's Truth to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 or not?


If yes, does John's statement about a Beast change any of what Jesus Christ decreed of His Judgement?

If no, then there is really nothing to discuss , is there?

Barristter07:
It's not John's statement, it statement he received from Jesus . Yes it shed light on Matthew 25. Your Inability to answer for the identity of the beast showed you don't really understand what is the eternal fire prepared for Devil and his angels

Dtruthspeaker:
Yep!

I like to be in New heaven and new earth or God's Main Land, (Heaven). Anywhere really as long as it is not hell and lake of Fire, then I am very much fine with the outcome

You are obviously JW.

cornelboy:
No I'm not yet a JW but I studied the Bible and found out they are the christian organization that teaches pure doctrines of the Bible.

I'll post some bible references later

Kobojunkie:
1. No one is ressurected like Jesus Christ to Heaven, this since Jesus Christ's was not subjected to Judgement before His entry into Heaven. However, all those who will be resurrected by Jesus Christ, good and bad alike, will be subjected to judgment before given either Heaven(eternal reward) or Hell(eternal damnation).

2. According to John, the one whose dream/Vision you reference, the 144000 referrenced are those chosen by God to enter into His Heaven from the blood of Jacob - those who have Jacob's blood coursing through their veins.
Then I heard the number(I) of those who were sealed: 144,000(J) from all the tribes of Israel.

John never infact stated that only the 144000 will be in Heaven this since in his same book, he revealed that there will be those from all other nations in Heaven, this in line with Jesus Christ's own teaching which reveals that many will come from all points to eat at the same table as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob(Israel) in God's Kingdom - Matthew 8 vs 5 - 13

God will never give to the Gentiles that which belongs to His people Israel, so don't let any man fool you with lies that you become an Israelite when you accept Jesus Christ. God never said that, neither did Jesus Christ hint at any such being possible. So those who think they swallow up Israel by their mission here on earth not only delude themselves but reveal their ignorance every time they utter those foolish claims..

Kobojunkie:
That is a load of bullsheet and you know it, unless you no longer consider and believe Jesus Christ the Truth of God.

cornelboy:
1. Perhaps you don't understand that Jesus came to restore the perfect life Adam lost on earth. When he comes back, he will restore earth back to the initial purpose God created it. He will fight and conquer all his enemies.

2. Human beings were never created to live in heaven but on earth. God created us with physical while God, angels and other heavenly creatures are spirit bodies.

3. So do you believe that when righteous people die, they will go to heaven (eternal reward) after resurrection? No! We remain here on earth, new earth paradise.

4. Do you even know that Israel should not be considered God's people no more cos they don't believe in Jesus as the messiah but are still waiting for a different messiah?
In Christ Jews or gentiles, slave or free, Israelites or non Israelites are one.

I'll post some bible references later

cornelboy:
Lol what did you mean exactly?

Kobojunkie:
You didn't answer the question.

Did Jesus Christ reveal God's Truth to you in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 or not?

If yes, does John's statement about a Beast change any of what Jesus Christ decreed of His Judgement?

By shedding more light, as you claim, did John render of no meaning/a lie, what Jesus Christ revealed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 of what will happen when He returns?

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I believe I have more than made it clear at this point in the conversation that the beast or devil and his angels are of no real concern to me in this. So why you continue to drone on about them is beyond me.